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Candy
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06-28-06, 06:25 AM (EST)
 
"Charlie Brennan on Linda Arndt"
 
   http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4807014,00.html

Ex-officer reached out to Ramsey
Arndt was in Boulder home when child's body was found

Linda Arndt says Patsy Ramsey was "imprisoned by secrets

Special section: JonBenet Ramsey
By Charlie Brennan, Rocky Mountain News
June 28, 2006
Patsy Ramsey died before Linda Arndt could fulfill her pledge to JonBenet's mother.
"Last year, I was told just about this time of year that she was on her deathbed and gravely ill," said Arndt, the former Boulder Police officer who was the lone detective in the Ramsey home when JonBenet's body was found in the basement on Dec. 26, 1996.

"That spurred me to reach out to her and find her again, which I did. She responded."

Ramsey battled her disease for 13 years, succumbing to ovarian cancer early Saturday at her father's home in Roswell, Ga. She was 49. She will be laid to rest Thursday alongside JonBenet in Marietta, Ga.

Their renewed contact in May 2005, Arndt said, "was a heart-to-heart connection, common decency, showing courtesy and empathy to someone who really had a lot of tragedy."

She talked about what the contact between the two meant to her.

"Knowing that she was dying, that was the impetus I needed to finish, to fulfill the promise that she asked of me," said Arndt, 45.

Officer 'gave her my word'

The day was Jan. 8, 1997. Arndt was at the Child Advocacy Center in Niwot where JonBenet's older brother Burke - now 19 - was being interviewed by a child psychologist.

"Patsy and I were alone for over an hour, and she shared a lot of things in that conversation. She did, and I did," Arndt recalled.

"And one of the things she demanded of me, she looked me in the eye and grabbed my hand and said, 'Promise me, promise me you will stay on this case and you will find out who did this to JonBenet.'

"I don't remember my words, but I gave her my word that I would. And I cannot hold her story any longer."

Arndt wasn't allowed by department brass to stay on the case. She was pulled off in April 1997, quit the force two years later and unsuccessfully sued the department for defamation. Arndt, who still lives in the West but is no longer a police officer, is now occupied, she said, "putting my life back together, trying to find my way back in the world."

And she's writing a memoir in hopes of keeping her promise.

'The right thing to do'

In her first in-depth print interview, Arndt remembered Ramsey as "a lady of grace and courage and spirit, particularly in the face of such unrelenting adversity."

"She was imprisoned by secrets. This whole case has been imprisoned by secrets."

Arndt was reluctant to reveal many details of her contact with JonBenet's mother in the final year of her life.

"I gained nothing and risked everything to contact her. And it was just the right thing to do," Arndt said.

"There's no way to undo the wrong that was done (to the Ramsey family). But (it was) just to acknowledge what you could or couldn't do, and apologize for any error on my part and to offer myself in any way that was helpful to her."

Arndt would not discuss her theories of the case, saying only that she doesn't hold the "prevailing view" within the Boulder Police Department, which increasingly keyed on Patsy Ramsey.

"I'm able to confirm a lot of things that Patsy was maintaining for 10 years," Arndt said.

Asked if what she is writing will eliminate anyone's suspicions about Ramsey, Arndt stopped short of saying so.

"I think our expectation of the justice system is that you clear 'em or you don't, but you don't leave people hanging in the wind this long - at least, that's my interpretation," Arndt said.

"I don't know that (the book) will exonerate. It will give people a context that they have not had before, and it will give them an understanding for everyone involved - but, particularly, for Patsy."

Ramsey hard to reach

National airwaves have been buzzing since Saturday with legal pundits weighing in on the question of how Ramsey's death affects the investigation - whether it represents an ending or perhaps even the opening of a new chapter.

Arndt leans toward the latter.

"I think it's just starting," said Arndt. "I think the real story is just coming out now. . . .

"I think her death really shakes the foundation of what people have been content or comfortable in believing, refusing to accept or refusing to look at."

The mere act of connecting with Ramsey, who along with her husband was identified in December 1997 as being under an "umbrella of suspicion" by then-Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner, was not easily accomplished by Arndt.

"I contacted every attorney she's ever worked with," she said. "I was willing to contact anyone in order to get a message to her."

Arndt spoke of a bond of trust that evolved between them during her time on the case - cutting against the grain of her department's overall approach.

"I knew that would not be allowed directly during the time that I was on the case, (because of) individuals from both sides. Direct contact between the two of us was never allowed."

During her June 2001 defamation trial at U.S. District Court in Denver, however, Arndt admitted to arranging an hourlong meeting with Ramsey in March 1997, independent of her fellow investigators, after concerns grew about Ramsey's health.

"When Patsy heard I wanted to reach her, every time, she allowed me to meet with her and call her," Arndt said Tuesday.

Despite the renewed contact between Arndt and Ramsey in 2005, the former detective admits she was blindsided by her death.

Not owning a television for the past few months, Arndt got word from her brother, who lives in the Denver area.

"I had no idea" she had taken a turn for the worse, Arndt said. "I knew she was just in Boulder (in February). Different people call and tell me, because I don't follow a lot of it. I was really stunned. I thought she had beaten it again."

Arndt said she would "absolutely" want to attend Thursday's services for Ramsey but she won't.

"Those around her see my presence differently than she does," Arndt said.

"There would be nothing positive for the people assembled there from my presence. Patsy would appreciate it. I doubt anybody else would."

Arndt admitted she doesn't have the answers as to who did what that Christmas night to the 6-year-old who, in death, became the nation's most famous child beauty queen.

"Nobody does," Arndt said. "But I have the information, for somebody else who might. All the information is there."

She said 90 percent of the case details have not been disclosed accurately.

"If anyone wants to understand and make sense of this case, yes, the information I have allows them to do it," Arndt said.

"You can make an informed decision, rather than uninformed speculation."

Who is Linda Arndt?

• On the case: Arndt was left by her colleagues at the Ramsey home with JonBenet's parents and family friends in the first hours of the investigation. She shouldered the blame for numerous police errors at the crime scene that day in December 1996.

• Off the case: Arndt, a 14-year veteran of the Boulder department, well-respected as a staunch victim advocate, was taken off the case in April 1997.

• Against the force: Arndt sued Boulder police brass for defamation, alleging a departmental gag order left her unable to defend herself against accusations that she mishandled the crime scene.

• Off the force: Arndt quit the department in April 1999.

• Afterward: A U.S. district court judge issued a summary judgment against Arndt in a June 2001 trial of her defamation suit. She is now 45, lives outside Colorado and is writing a book.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Charlie Brennan on Linda Arndt Candy 06-28-06 1
     Imprisoned by secrets? Maikai 06-28-06 2
         RE: Imprisoned by secrets? Candy 06-28-06 3
             RE: Imprisoned by secrets? sissi 06-28-06 4
             RE: Double Standard Margoo 06-28-06 5
                 RE: Typical Margoo 06-28-06 6
                     RE: Typical tipper 06-28-06 8
                     Arndt's silence. thisnthat 06-30-06 53
                 RE: Double Standard DonBradley 06-28-06 7
                     RE: Double Standard Candy 06-28-06 9
                         RE: Arndt Candy 06-28-06 10
                             RE: Arndt tipper 06-28-06 12
                                 RE: Arndt Candy 06-28-06 13
  RE: Double Standard Candy 06-28-06 11
  RE: Arndt withheld notes Candy 06-28-06 14
     RE: Arndt withheld notes one_eyed_Jack 06-28-06 15
         RE: Arndt Candy 06-28-06 16
             RE: Arndt Margoo 06-28-06 20
  RE: Personal grievance against BPD Candy 06-28-06 17
     RE: Personal grievance against BPD one_eyed_Jack 06-28-06 18
     RE: Personal grievance against BPD Prof.Plum 06-28-06 19
         RE: Personal grievance against BPD one_eyed_Jack 06-28-06 22
             RE: Personal grievance against BPD Prof.Plum 06-28-06 27
     RE: Personal grievance against BPD Evening2 06-28-06 21
         RE: Personal grievance against BPD one_eyed_Jack 06-28-06 24
             RE: Personal grievance against BPD tipper 06-28-06 26
         RE: Personal grievance against BPD Summer 06-28-06 25
     Outdated LillyLady 06-28-06 23
         RE: Outdated Bill Salisbury 06-28-06 28
     RE: Personal grievance against BPD No date 06-29-06 49
  RE: Amnesia Candy 06-28-06 29
     RE: Amnesia LillyLady 06-28-06 30
         RE: Amnesia Candy 06-28-06 31
     RE: Amnesia KatBaloo 06-28-06 33
         RE: Amnesia tipper 06-28-06 34
             RE: Amnesia Candy 06-28-06 35
                 RE: Amnesia Prof.Plum 06-28-06 36
                     RE: Amnesia Candy 06-28-06 37
                 RE: Amnesia tipper 06-28-06 38
                     RE: Amnesia Candy 06-28-06 39
                         RE: Amnesia Prof.Plum 06-28-06 42
  RE: End to a bad case Candy 06-28-06 32
     RE: End to a bad case one_eyed_Jack 06-28-06 40
         RE: End to a bad case Justice_Seekermoderator 06-28-06 41
             RE: End to a bad case Tinker 06-28-06 43
                 RE: End to a bad case tipper 06-28-06 44
                     Linda was a scapegoat..... Maikai 06-28-06 45
                         Eller's initial reaction Maikai 06-28-06 46
                             RE: Eller's initial reaction Go Linda! 06-28-06 47
                                 Doh Linda! LillyLady 06-28-06 48
  RE: Charlie Brennan on Linda Arndt jamesonadmin 06-30-06 50
     RE: BORGS had it right Candy 06-30-06 51
         RE: BORGS had it right jamesonadmin 06-30-06 52
             RE: BORGS had it right thisnthat 06-30-06 54
                 RE: BORGS had it right jamesonadmin 06-30-06 55
                     Arndt is ain't Saluda 06-30-06 56
                         Arndt plus Thomas Saluda 06-30-06 57
                         RE: Arndt is ain't Maikai 06-30-06 59
                     RE: BORGS had it right Prof.Plum 06-30-06 58
                         RE: BORGS had it right guppy 06-30-06 60
                         RE: BORGS had it right tipper 06-30-06 61
                             RE: BORGS had it right LillyLady 06-30-06 62
                                 RE: BORGS had it right Justice_Seekermoderator 06-30-06 63
                                     RE: BORGS had it right LillyLady 06-30-06 64
                                         RE: BORGS had it right Justice_Seekermoderator 06-30-06 65
                                             Mary Lacy one_eyed_Jack 06-30-06 66
                                             RE: Mary Lacy 70.18.210.203 06-30-06 68
  RE: Charlie Brennan on Linda Arndt one_eyed_Jack 06-30-06 67
     RE: Charlie Brennan on Linda Arndt ClearingHaze 06-30-06 69
         RE: Giving out names Candy 06-30-06 70
             RE: Giving out names Justice_Seekermoderator 06-30-06 71
                 RE: Giving out names Margoo 07-01-06 72

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Candy
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06-28-06, 06:42 AM (EST)
 
1. "RE: Charlie Brennan on Linda Arndt"
In response to message #0
 
   This is stunning. It's so unprofessional and wrong of Arndt, IMO. God only knows what police department classified information she told Patsy


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Maikai
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06-28-06, 07:05 AM (EST)
 
2. "Imprisoned by secrets?"
In response to message #1
 
   What the h@ll does she mean by that?


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Candy
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06-28-06, 07:06 AM (EST)
 
3. "RE: Imprisoned by secrets?"
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   I think Arndt's off hir rocker. It's the same type of phrase as "my mind exploded."


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sissi
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06-28-06, 07:55 AM (EST)
 
4. "RE: Imprisoned by secrets?"
In response to message #3
 
   >I think Arndt's off hir rocker. It's the same type of
>phrase as "my mind exploded."

I agree, Candy, I felt ill at ease reading that. She's already admitted to "my mind exploded", are we to believe she's found every piece to "reconstruct".


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Margoo
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06-28-06, 07:58 AM (EST)
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5. "RE: Double Standard"
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   Arndt spoke of a bond of trust that evolved between them during her time on the case - cutting against the grain of her department's overall approach.

"I knew that would not be allowed directly during the time that I was on the case, (because of) individuals from both sides. Direct contact between the two of us was never allowed."

Yet Steve Thomas was allowed to do so with Fleet and Priscilla. Double standard?


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Margoo
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06-28-06, 08:02 AM (EST)
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6. "RE: Typical"
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   "There's no way to undo the wrong that was done (to the Ramsey family). But (it was) just to acknowledge what you could or couldn't do, and apologize for any error on my part and to offer myself in any way that was helpful to her."

"I'm able to confirm a lot of things that Patsy was maintaining for 10 years," Arndt said.

"I think it's just starting," said Arndt. "I think the real story is just coming out now. . . .

"I think her death really shakes the foundation of what people have been content or comfortable in believing, refusing to accept or refusing to look at."

Why do people wait until it's too late? Sounds to me like she's known how the Ramseys have been wronged but sat back and let it continue and did not speak up.


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tipper
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06-28-06, 08:12 AM (EST)
 
8. "RE: Typical"
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   "There's no way to undo the wrong that was done (to the Ramsey family). But (it was) just to acknowledge what you could or couldn't do, and apologize for any error on my part and to offer myself in any way that was helpful to her."
________________________
Sounds like she is recanting what she said about John
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She said 90 percent of the case details have not been disclosed accurately.

Kane said something similar but declined to set what was innacurate. It would be nice if someone set the record straight.


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thisnthat
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06-30-06, 10:44 AM (EST)
 
53. "Arndt's silence."
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   I think part of the time Arndt was not allowed to speak because of litigation.


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DonBradley
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06-28-06, 08:06 AM (EST)
 
7. "RE: Double Standard"
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   LAST EDITED ON 06-28-06 AT 08:45 AM (EST)
 
Double standard, double entendre, doubled book royalties...

Arndt wasn't able to hold down a job at CU's rape center even though it appears to have been a largely paperwork position.

Arndt did take the blame for the police mistakes that day but she made many of them herself and as senior officer on scene she was in charge and should take the blame for any mistakes that were made.

I hope Arndt's media splash gets her something. Some spare change maybe?

on-edit: I'm sure Arndt will someday be making amends to the "Lucy family" too for rather too hastily concluding "it was a boyfriend thing" and going to the classmates discussing 'any older boyfriend you may have seen her with'. I doubt Arndt ever actually counted her bullets, but if she is trying to count trump now the sum is zero!


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Candy
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06-28-06, 08:49 AM (EST)
 
9. "RE: Double Standard"
In response to message #7
 
   LOL Don! Yeah, Arndt couldn't hold down a job at CU and was let go.
She picked an opportune time to write a pro-Patsy book.

Why can't the cops enforce confidentiality against either Steve Thomas or Arndt? I don't know why they couldn't have been punished from profiting from confidential information from an unsolved murder case.


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Candy
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06-28-06, 08:51 AM (EST)
 
10. "RE: Arndt"
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   One can see why Arndt was so overwhelmed with unarmed civilians in the house. She should have booted the Whites and Fernies out, but never did. One can see why she inspired so little authority that Fleet went back in the basement after she told him not to and put that duct tape down on the blanket, contaminating the key evidence.


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tipper
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06-28-06, 09:02 AM (EST)
 
12. "RE: Arndt"
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   >One can see why Arndt was so overwhelmed with unarmed
>civilians in the house. She should have booted the Whites
>and Fernies out, but never did. One can see why she
>inspired so little authority that Fleet went back in the
>basement after she told him not to and put that duct tape
>down on the blanket, contaminating the key evidence.

I agree. Although she didn't even have to boot them out. She could have simply rounded them all up, put them in a single room and said "STAY!" and if anyone didn't she then could have booted them out. It wasn't rocket science.

However, if she should manage to get a book published I will certainly buy it. She was there unlike most of the other authors. Plus I'd be interested to see if she includes anything on the damage done by the jack-booted ways of Thomas and Gosage.


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Candy
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06-28-06, 09:06 AM (EST)
 
13. "RE: Arndt"
In response to message #12
 
   She won't have any problems getting a book published because it's pro-Patsy. It's only our side that can't get any deals, because of ST's settlement payoff.

She'll have plenty to say about ST and Gosage, as she did in her depo. She knew ST was behind what happened to Mason.


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Candy
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06-28-06, 08:58 AM (EST)
 
11. "RE: Double Standard"
In response to message #0
 
   ST's use of the Whites and giving them info was not authorized by anyone. He was off on his own, he and White were bent against Hunter.
If you recall, the police tried in vain to keep the 911 call out of the Ramseys hands after they said they could get a copy because he put it in the public domain. They tried to say his actions were not authorized, but it didn't work and the Rams got it anyway.


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Candy
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06-28-06, 09:55 AM (EST)
 
14. "RE: Arndt withheld notes"
In response to message #0
 
   http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_622280,00.html

Ex-detective admits withholding notes
Arndt testifies that she kept notebooks from a meeting with Patsy Ramsey in 1997

By Owen S. Good, News Staff Writer
June 8, 2001

A former Boulder detective admitted she withheld notes taken during the first two weeks of the JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation and never filed a report on their contents, which a police attorney repeatedly described as critical to prosecuting the killer.
Linda Arndt, the only Boulder police officer present when JonBenet's body was discovered, kept notes of a Jan. 4, 1997, meeting during which Patsy Ramsey gave handwriting samples to police to compare with a ransom note. Arndt administered the handwriting exam.

Arndt testified Thursday that she never transcribed the notes. Arndt stored the notebooks in a locked desk drawer at her office and then, after she quit in 1999, took them home and later had a friend keep them for her.

"I did not trust the members of the investigative team or my supervisors . . . to handle the notes in a way that they would be maintained accurately," Arndt said on cross-examination.

"And you were content to let the Ramsey investigation proceed without these critical reports?" police attorney Theodore Halaby asked. Arndt answered yes.

She also said there may be other investigative notes that she never transcribed into reports.

Police did not learn of Arndt's notes until she gave a March 8, 2000, deposition for the defamation suit she has filed against former chief Tom Koby, current chief Mark Beckner and the city of Boulder.

She alleges that her reputation was damaged when the chiefs did not publicly rebut press reports that her errors at the crime scene hampered the Ramsey investigation. A gag order preventing her from speaking out had the same effect, she says.

Thursday, Halaby argued the press reports were substantially correct. He said Arndt based her claim that they were inaccurate on a literal reading of the words.

For example, Arndt denied claims made in a September 1997 Vanity Fair article that called her "the Mark Fuhrman" of the Ramsey investigation and said her errors destroyed or contaminated evidence.

Arndt said the article inaccurately reported she picked up JonBenet's body and laid it next to a Christmas tree. The statement is inaccurate because she placed the body next to a piano, Arndt said.

The article's claim that Patsy Ramsey "collapsed" on her daughter's body also is not accurate, Arndt testified.

"The top part of Patsy's body was on the lower part of JonBenet's body, which was covered by a blanket," Arndt said.

"You wanted to deny their literal accuracy, whether or not they were substantially accurate," Halaby argued.

Arndt also reiterated an earlier statement that her work at the scene was "phenomenal," given the chaos when the body was found.

But Arndt agreed that keeping the notes was "probably not" proper conduct, even though she said she verbally conveyed their contents to other detectives.

The trial resumes Monday. Judge William F. Downes has told lawyers to finish up by Wednesday.



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one_eyed_Jack
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06-28-06, 10:32 AM (EST)
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15. "RE: Arndt withheld notes"
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   Interesting. I'm guessing the "secrets" Patsy allegedly kept is evidence she and John were asked to keep quiet about. I hope her book isn't like this article where it took 11 paragraphs to say she recently contacted Patsy to apologize and has decided to write a book. I'm sure Arndt perceives the Ramsey case as a personal drama, but I hope she can find an editor who will keep that tone out of the book.

I'm particulary interested in her claim that what she has to say might help someone make the connection about who killed JonBenιt. My opinion is more in line with John Douglas' about enlisting public help on unsolved cases.


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Candy
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06-28-06, 10:35 AM (EST)
 
16. "RE: Arndt"
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   Jack posted: I'm particulary interested in her claim that what she has to say might help someone make the connection about who killed JonBenιt.

That's why she should have taken any alleged info like that to Tom Bennett instead of writing a book! She knows this, being an ex cop. I'm stunned by this woman's actions. I guess she figured ST got away with it, so will she.


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06-28-06, 11:49 AM (EST)
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20. "RE: Arndt"
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   >Jack posted: I'm particulary interested in her claim that
>what she has to say might help someone make the connection
>about who killed JonBenιt.
>
>That's why she should have taken any alleged info like that
>to Tom Bennett instead of writing a book! She knows
>this, being an ex cop. I'm stunned by this woman's actions.
> I guess she figured ST got away with it, so will she.

How do we know she hasn't taken the info to Tom Bennett?


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Candy
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06-28-06, 11:06 AM (EST)
 
17. "RE: Personal grievance against BPD"
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   The Judge ruled Arndt's suit was nothing more than a personal grievance against the BPD. It looks like that is continuing with her actions now:

www.denverpost.com

Judge dismisses Arndt suit Action called merely a personal grievance

By Mike McPhee, Denver Post Staff Writer,

In a highly unusual move, a judge on Tuesday abruptly threw out former Boulder police detective Linda Arndt's First Amendment lawsuit in the ninth day of trial, saying her complaint was nothing more than a personal grievance.

'Speech which discloses any evidence of corruption, impropriety or other malfeasance on the part of city officials clearly concerns matters of public import,' said U.S. District Judge William F. Downes, who granted the city of Boulder's motion for summary judgment after listening to evidence presented by Arndt's attorneys.

But speech isn't protected if 'its aim is simply to air grievances of a purely personal nature,' he said.

After the ruling, Arndt carried several of the awards she had received while a Boulder officer to the defense's table and dumped them. An aide carried them back to Arndt's attorneys, who removed them from the courtroom.

Arndt, later in the day, called it 'a sad day for the First Amendment, police officers, the jury system and the truth.' Her lawyers, Bruce Jones and Jude Biggs, said they are preparing an appeal.

Arndt had been placed in charge of the JonBenet Ramsey murder scene the morning of Dec. 26, 1996. Investigative records later showed that she had been unable to control the Ramsey family and friends when the body was found and that critical evidence had been contaminated.

Arndt was lambasted in the international media for allowing the body to be moved twice, once by her; for allowing Patsy Ramsey to lie on the body; and for covering the body with a sheet that allegedly contaminated evidentiary fluid.

Arndt says she was made the scapegoat for the unsolved murder and was prevented by her superiors from speaking out to defend herself. She eventually left the Boulder Police Department, worked briefly at the University of Colorado campus police department and was fired from there. She now works as a tree trimmer.

Arndt, 40, sued the city and the Police Department in 1998. After rejecting numerous attempts at negotiating a settlement, including one meeting with a former federal judge days before the trial began, Arndt and her attorneys picked a jury and presented their case.

The strongest argument they gave the six-woman, two-man jury was a letter from Brooke Jackson, Arndt's lawyer in 1997 and now chief justice of Jefferson County District Court, which asked former Police Chief Tom Koby to defend Arndt publicly against eight charges. Koby refused, as did his successor, Mark Beckner.

Downes ruled that 'her sole concern dealt with how she was being portrayed in the public media.'

He said if her complaints were considered a public concern, instead of a personal grievance, 'the ramifications would be profound, for it would certainly create the possibility of a constitutional claim each and every time an officer is subjected to public criticism for his or her performance in the line of duty.'

Attorney Ted Halaby, who represented Boulder, Koby and Beckner, said the case was frivolous.

'There were numerous settlement discussions,' he said. 'In 35 years of practice, this is the first trial where I didn't think anyone's interests could be served.'


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one_eyed_Jack
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06-28-06, 11:42 AM (EST)
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18. "RE: Personal grievance against BPD"
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   I always thought Arndt should have sued for the trauma she went through working in a hostile environment instead of a civil right violation.


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Prof.Plum
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06-28-06, 11:45 AM (EST)
 
19. "RE: Personal grievance against BPD"
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   Interesting that Brennan didn't ask Arndt about her GMA comments about John. As I recall, LA never did accuse Patsy, it was John she alluded to as the killer.

Remember she looked in his eyes and had that "nonverbal" conversation and then she counted her bullets and bought time with the suggestion they pray? Wonder why CB didn't bring that up?


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one_eyed_Jack
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06-28-06, 11:53 AM (EST)
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22. "RE: Personal grievance against BPD"
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   I can't imagine what error on her part she would be apologizing to Patsy about except for the non-verbal communication that clarified Patsy's husband as murderer in her mind. If I were trying to apologize to a woman I had wronged, calling her husband a murderer on national tv would be at the top of the list.


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Prof.Plum
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06-28-06, 12:32 PM (EST)
 
27. "RE: Personal grievance against BPD"
In response to message #22
 
   Arndt infuriates me when I think of her throwing out a statement as serious as the one she made about "not knowing if we'd all be alive" and "mentally counted my bullets", then leaves it at that! That's way worse than splayed fingers or clutching a cross, it's downright dangerous.

I don't understand why Lin Wood didn't sue her too. Actually, I don't know any good reason why the Ramsey's didn't sue the BPD and the mayor! They are the people *I* listened to and formed ALOT of my opinion from, especially Linda Arndt since she was THERE that morning.

John should have sued her instead of the tabs because everyone knows the tabs are bullchit and if they don't, well, I can't help you. But a cop? Going on National television and saying things so thinly veiled everyone knew what she meant, and not a single guest from that morning ever came forward and said Arndt's crazy, naturally I believed her and imagine many others did too.

And if she really believed she knew what happened, why not go to the FBI or in front of cameras and move heaven and earth to "help" Patsy THEN? Ugh!


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21. "RE: Personal grievance against BPD"
In response to message #17
 
   A couple of things. For all those who STILL say the Ramseys didn't cooperate and give interviews,,,here's one lengthy interview given by Patsy just shortly after JonBenet's murder that no one except Linda Arndt knew about.

Also,,,I've always felt that Patsy, as JOnBenet's mommy,,,probably had some intuition about who committed this crime. Perhaps this was shared with Linda Arndt,,,but Linda knew well and good that any such information would certainly be misconstrued because LE only wanted the Patsy (or John) did it outcome. It's clear to me that Patsy was much more concerned with the killer of JonBenet being found than she ever was about she, herself, being exonerated. If what we've heard and seen was actually the way it was with the BPD and some of the investigators, what chance would Linda Arndt have had if she had come forward with "information" she had received from Patsy?


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24. "RE: Personal grievance against BPD"
In response to message #21
 
   One thing I always agreed with Linda Arndt about was that treating suspects with common courtesy and decency is the best way to go. I'll never forget her saying that such things went right out the window at the BPD. Anything other than strong-arm mentality didn't sit well with management and some of the more forceful detectives. To me, this was the core mistake. This is why the Ramseys felt the need to protect themselves. This is why the huge rift opened between the BPD and the DA's office in the first place.


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tipper
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06-28-06, 12:17 PM (EST)
 
26. "RE: Personal grievance against BPD"
In response to message #24
 
   >One thing I always agreed with Linda Arndt about was that
>treating suspects with common courtesy and decency is the
>best way to go. I'll never forget her saying that such
>things went right out the window at the BPD. Anything other
>than strong-arm mentality didn't sit well with management
>and some of the more forceful detectives. To me, this was
>the core mistake. This is why the Ramseys felt the need to
>protect themselves. This is why the huge rift opened between
>the BPD and the DA's office in the first place.

I agree. I think the interrogation of Melinda where she was reduced to tears by their accusations was appallingly bad police work whether the Ramseys were guilty or not. Why would you be so silly as to put the wind up your prime suspect right away? Do they think she went home saying it was a great interview?


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25. "RE: Personal grievance against BPD"
In response to message #21
 
   Wow.. Just wow. Im surprised Patsy would even talk to Linda after Linda said on national TV she thinks Johns's the murderer. I feel bad for her though. She didnt know what to do with the all the people .. and when she called for help, she wad denied. Maybe if she had gotten the help she needed this case would be totally different.


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LillyLady
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06-28-06, 12:01 PM (EST)
 
23. "Outdated"
In response to message #17
 
   "was taken off the case in April 1997."


Besides being a fruitloop, anything Arndt knows about this case is almost 9-years old. Any book she could write would be as meaningless as the memoirs of LHP.

But I can suggest a title for her book:
"Pigs In A Blanket - How to host your own crime scene party!"


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Bill Salisbury
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06-28-06, 12:38 PM (EST)
 
28. "RE: Outdated"
In response to message #23
 
   I agree with Summer that Linda Arndt was under severe strain, on her own, at that crime scene. That wasn't her fault. Police work can be violent and stressful and that JonBenet crime scene was particularly stressful.

It was partly the trouble that there was a skeleton police staff on duty the day after Christmas. Even good old Steve Thomas wasn't on call. It was partly lack of leadership and a lack of homicide experience by the Boulder police administration. They aren't the best homicide detectives in America.

Linda Arndt should never have just decided John Ramsey did it, and that he was guilty of incest. There was never any evidence for that. Patsy didn't do it and Burke didn't do it either.

Linda Arndt did make mistakes. She should have taken a firm line with Fleet White when he just disregarded any police instructions, and contaminated the crime scene. Linda Arndt didn't seem to have much of a clue about the protection of a crime scene.

Frankly, I don't believe Linda Arndt if she is saying that Patsy hugged the lower part of JonBenet's body when the body was discovered. I think most people would hug the top part of a body. I think it defies commom sense to say that somebody hugged JonBenet's legs, just so that nobody might think there had been fiber contamination.

I don't really blame Linda Arndt for losing track of the flashlight on the kitchen counter. That flashlight was noticed by Officer Weiss early on in the morning, and was assumed to be a police flashlight. I think that flashlight on the kitchen counter was stolen from the crime scene by Fleet and Priscilla White. Linda Arndt had no way of knowing that.


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No date
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06-29-06, 02:55 AM (EST)
 
49. "RE: Personal grievance against BPD"
In response to message #17
 
   I'm not even sure this is a real story. Why wouldn't it have a date on it? And the link doesn't work. What's going on here?


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Candy
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06-28-06, 12:53 PM (EST)
 
29. "RE: Amnesia"
In response to message #0
 
   I guess Arndt's amnesia's gotten better since she couldn't give a presentation when the DA's office took over the case from the police because she said she had amnesia.


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LillyLady
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06-28-06, 01:14 PM (EST)
 
30. "RE: Amnesia"
In response to message #29
 
   >I guess Arndt's amnesia's gotten better since she couldn't
>give a presentation when the DA's office took over the case
>from the police because she said she had amnesia.


Her memory came back to her in her last job when she fell out of a tree she was trimming and landed on her head.


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Candy
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06-28-06, 01:19 PM (EST)
 
31. "RE: Amnesia"
In response to message #30
 
   Praise Jesus!


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KatBaloo
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06-28-06, 01:33 PM (EST)
 
33. "RE: Amnesia"
In response to message #29
 
   >I guess Arndt's amnesia's gotten better since she couldn't
>give a presentation when the DA's office took over the case
>from the police because she said she had amnesia.

Was she even working for the BPD when the case was given to the DA's office?


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tipper
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06-28-06, 01:41 PM (EST)
 
34. "RE: Amnesia"
In response to message #33
 
  
>Was she even working for the BPD when the case was given to
>the DA's office?

I don't think so.

I think Arndt may well have had simmering problems well before the JonBenet case. Dec 26th and the aftermath just pushed her over the edge. If she is now recovering enough to try and make amends then more power to her. Patsy apparently forgave her.


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Candy
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06-28-06, 01:49 PM (EST)
 
35. "RE: Amnesia"
In response to message #34
 
   She never accused Patsy. She said John did it, and that she believed there was incest in the house.


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Prof.Plum
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06-28-06, 01:52 PM (EST)
 
36. "RE: Amnesia"
In response to message #35
 
   Candy,

That's what I said in post 27, and I can't believe Brennan didn't ask her about that!


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Candy
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06-28-06, 01:56 PM (EST)
 
37. "RE: Amnesia"
In response to message #36
 
   Thanks Prof, I didn't see that post.

Charlie may have asked her, but it could have been edited out.


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tipper
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06-28-06, 02:03 PM (EST)
 
38. "RE: Amnesia"
In response to message #35
 
   >She never accused Patsy. She said John did it, and that she
>believed there was incest in the house.

Yes I know. But if she was trying to make amends to a dying woman, I think accusing that woman's husband of murder and incest is probably about as bad as accusing the woman herself.


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Candy
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06-28-06, 04:29 PM (EST)
 
39. "RE: Amnesia"
In response to message #38
 
   I'm interested in that she didn't say anything about apologzing about John, who she said was the perp. She just says Patsy, Patsy, Patsy.


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Prof.Plum
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06-28-06, 05:31 PM (EST)
 
42. "RE: Amnesia"
In response to message #39
 
   She said "I knew what happened to her. I knew what happened to JonBenet". She also told Vargas she never wavered in her belief of who did it. I just want to know EXACTLY what she KNEW happened. Is that too much to ask?


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Candy
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06-28-06, 01:22 PM (EST)
 
32. "RE: End to a bad case"
In response to message #0
 
   This is what she should call her book, what the RMN editorial said "the end to a bad case":

www.rockymountainnews.com

June 13, 2001

THE END TO A VERY BAD CASE

EX-BOULDER DETECTIVE LOSES HER LAWSUIT
OUR VIEW: A VICTORY WOULD HAVE SET TROUBLING PRECEDENT

Thanks to Linda Arndt, America has a new definition of chutzpah. It's suing your former bosses for failing to defend your professionalism as a detective even though you readily admit in court that you withheld investigative notes from your own department.

As fiction, such an incident would be rejected out of hand by an editor. Too implausible. But the implausible has been routine in the JonBenet Ramsey case, so former Boulder Detective Arndt's remarkably brazen behavior is not surprising.

Then again, it's also not surprising that U.S. District Judge William F. Downes would rule against Arndt in a summary judgment, as he did Tuesday. As he explained, a victory for Arndt would make the reputations of individual officers in an investigation more important than "the integrity of the investigation itself." And that precedent could end up distorting the priorities of detective work across the country.

Detectives should have thick skins - or they should find a profession not subject to second-guessing by the tax-paying public.

Downes also insisted that his ruling was no reflection on Arndt's professional behavior. Perhaps not, but consider what Arndt herself admitted under cross-examination. She said she withheld some of her notes because she didn't "trust the members of the investigative team or my supervisors . . . to handle the notes in a way that they would be maintained accurately."

"And you were content to let the Ramsey investigation proceed without these critical reports?" Boulder police attorney Theodore Halaby then asked.

Yes, Arndt replied, acknowledging that she may have failed to transcribe other notes into official reports, too.

Remember, this is a woman suing her former superiors for refusing to defend her (and refusing to let her defend herself) from media stories suggesting she had botched the case. Didn't she stop to think that the fact that she'd withheld official reports would make her appear at least a tiny bit unprofessional?

For that matter, the trial reminded the public again that she had moved JonBenet's body, allowed one parent to cover the victim and another to lie on top of her, and permitted a number of other people to mill about the house where the murder took place rather than order them outside until police had a chance to examine the entire residence.

"There was an utter failure to protect the evidence," Halaby maintained, and who could possibly argue?

Arndt was hardly the only Boulder police officer to stumble through the early going of the Ramsey investigation, of course, but it is nonetheless remarkable (and slightly pathetic) for her to suggest, as she did in court, that her performance was in fact "phenomenal." An expert witness who defended her handling of the crime scene argued what Halaby described as mistakes were merely "human decisions" - as if a detective should be modeling herself on Florence Nightingale.

Detectives are of course human and sometimes, under the pressure of a major crime, they make mistakes. Rather than let an unpleasant episode recede, however, Arndt chose to expose herself again to public ridicule. It was a sad coda to a once promising career.


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40. "RE: End to a bad case"
In response to message #32
 
   I'm interested in what she has to say, but I'll take anything she says happened in private conversation between she and Patsy with a grain of salt considering she's announcing this as soon as Patsy died.


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41. "RE: End to a bad case"
In response to message #40
 
  
If she writes a book there's going to be some flaming po'd
cops in Boulder, I'm sure! I'll read it too. I'm interested in her notes of the morning of the 26th of December.


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Tinker
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06-28-06, 06:13 PM (EST)
 
43. "RE: End to a bad case"
In response to message #41
 
   Ardnt isn't the one to blame in that mess. Sure, she made mistakes but the idiots who left her alone to guard a huge crime scene should have been fired.


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tipper
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06-28-06, 06:22 PM (EST)
 
44. "RE: End to a bad case"
In response to message #43
 
   I think it is very telling as to how kind a person Patsy was that when Linda had her crisis on conscience and wanted to contact her, Patsy was gracious and willing to meet with her.

I'm not sure, given the same circumstances that I'd have done anything but left Linda stewing in her own feelings of guilt.


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Maikai
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06-28-06, 08:15 PM (EST)
 
45. "Linda was a scapegoat....."
In response to message #44
 
   and easy target for the mostly male BPD. You didn't see the BPD throwing Officer French out to the wolves. Linda came on the scene two hours later, and was told the house had been thoroughly searched. Everyone thought it was a kidnapping--many police departments in similar towns might have reacted the same way. Linda wanted dogs brought in...wanted assistance at the house. She wasn't calling any of the shots.

I think she went through hell....first when JBR's body was found...viewing the autopsy...abandoned by the BPD with no support...and not allowed to defend herself when the media started bashing her. She followed orders (Eller's), and played by the rules.

I'd love to read her memoirs....and I think she should write them if for no other reason to vindicate herself. Patsy also was a victim of male chauvinism on the part of the BPD--a bond both had in common.....a female perspective from inside the investigation, IMO, is a twist not written about.

Linda's background was sexual assaults on children. You can't blame her for her initial reaction to JBR being found dead. I don't know if she really believes JR was involved--perhaps she does. No doubt, during her trial, she had to portray she could have been in danger.


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Maikai
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06-28-06, 08:22 PM (EST)
 
46. "Eller's initial reaction"
In response to message #45
 
   to the kidnapping, IMO, was clouded by John Ramsey's position in the community--a wealthy business owner. I think Eller's wanted to be the hero. When the Ramsey's rejected him, and the media started critizing the BPD, that's when things changed. The blue coats circled the wagons, and Eller's was ST's mentor. Egos..egos..egos...bigtime.


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Go Linda!
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06-28-06, 09:30 PM (EST)
 
47. "RE: Eller's initial reaction"
In response to message #46
 
   I hope Linda writes her book and gets major media coverage on her theory. She got hung out to dry by her colleagues and had the most credible view on the case, IMHO.


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LillyLady
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06-28-06, 10:15 PM (EST)
 
48. "Doh Linda!"
In response to message #47
 
   >I hope Linda writes her book and gets major media coverage
>on her theory. She got hung out to dry by her colleagues and
>had the most credible view on the case, IMHO.


How many chapters in a book can you devote to the counting of bullets?


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50. "RE: Charlie Brennan on Linda Arndt"
In response to message #0
 
   Good for her - having the courage to admit she was wrong and being willing to take the time to make an honest record of events. I applaud her!

Candy, you wrote, "She won't have any problems getting a book published because it's pro-Patsy. It's only our side that can't get any deals, because of ST's settlement payoff."

Bullshit - - if "YOUR SIDE" is having problems finding publishers willing to risk paying off bif lawsuits, it is because they have seen that the EVIDENCE and the AUTHORITIES have made it clear

YOUR SIDE IS WRONG!


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Candy
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06-30-06, 08:39 AM (EST)
 
51. "RE: BORGS had it right"
In response to message #50
 
   BORGS had it right. There is no intruder. And no one has spent a cent looking for one in the DA's office.


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52. "RE: BORGS had it right"
In response to message #51
 
   You know some intruder suspects have been investigated. I am not happy with the lack of aggression, but some were checked out. Including Santa and Oliva and others... but there is still a lot to be done and I asked Mary Lacy personally to give Lou what he needed to follow all the leads he thinks important in this case.

(I didn't get any promises, but she listened politely and I hope she went back to Boulder with a new energy when it comes to inding JonBenet's killer.)


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thisnthat
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06-30-06, 10:46 AM (EST)
 
54. "RE: BORGS had it right"
In response to message #52
 
   Also, not that I would know, but it seems Patsy would not suffer Arndt if Arndt was still saying JR was responsible and that she feared him that afternoon. Remember that bug-eyed interview on TV at the time of the Grand Jury?


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55. "RE: BORGS had it right"
In response to message #54
 
   Linda Arndt is no longer BORG. I look forward to reading the record of her conversion.


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Saluda
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06-30-06, 12:31 PM (EST)
 
56. "Arndt is ain't"
In response to message #55
 
   Whatever she wants to say now, Arndt has no credibility.
Patsy formed a relationship with her because Patsy was a very decent person and wanted so much that the killer would be found.

Now Arndt/aint wants to come out looking like some kind of good person.

She's the one who said she saw something in John Ramsey's eyes and so she checked how many bullets she had.

Give me a break over this travesty by Arndt now that Patsy has died. I hope somebody finds a way to pursue her evil in the courts...!!


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Saluda
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06-30-06, 12:43 PM (EST)
 
57. "Arndt plus Thomas"
In response to message #56
 
   Put them together. Arndt and Steve Thomas.
Trying to make some bucks over their being bumble-heads.


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Maikai
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06-30-06, 01:14 PM (EST)
 
59. "RE: Arndt is ain't"
In response to message #56
 
   Nice post. It is easy to forget that there was a time early in the case when almost everyone assumed JR was the perp. Dr. Wecht's book, "Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey" is a good source for those who want to get a snapshot of the mood back when Arndt was forming her -initial??- opinion on the case. This was back in the "no footprints in the snow" days, and early on Arndt thought semen had been found on JBR's leg, so one could hardly blame her for looking at JR with suspicion. When the "semen" turned out to be dried blood, Arndt stuck with JR as the prime suspect while Steve Thomas and the tabloids went with Patsy.

Arndt did look pretty loopy when she was doing all of the interviews on television, and sounded silly talking about counting her bullets after the body was brought upstairs. But, the case is unsolved, so I'll be happy to read what she has to say. You never know. Mark Fuhrman said no ever asked him for his notes after he was canned on the OJ case, which contained his account of finding an empty Swiss Army Knife box sitting on OJ's bathtub.


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Prof.Plum
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06-30-06, 01:04 PM (EST)
 
58. "RE: BORGS had it right"
In response to message #55
 
   If she's nolonger BORG, where are her comments on John and the apology that should have followed her revelation that he didn't do it? She says nothing in relation to him, not even his name.

The comment that Patsy has lots of secrets doesn't jive with non BORG either. If Patsy had secrets, I don't think Linda Arndt meant "beauty secrets", do you?


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guppy
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06-30-06, 01:17 PM (EST)
 
60. "RE: BORGS had it right"
In response to message #58
 
   Post 59 is me responding to Maikai. I've got to quit doing this.


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tipper
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06-30-06, 01:18 PM (EST)
 
61. "RE: BORGS had it right"
In response to message #58
 
   >If she's nolonger BORG, where are her comments on John and
>the apology that should have followed her revelation that he
>didn't do it? She says nothing in relation to him, not even
>his name.
>
>The comment that Patsy has lots of secrets doesn't jive with
>non BORG either. If Patsy had secrets, I don't think Linda
>Arndt meant "beauty secrets", do you?

She didn't say "Patsy has lots of secrets" she said she was imprisoned by secrets i.e. Other people not coming out and telling the what really happened. Happened with the assorted testing, happened with negotiating for the interviews, happened with the turning of people like the Whites against them, happened with the leaks designed to make the Ramseys look guilty.

It's LE who "has lots of secrets."


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LillyLady
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06-30-06, 02:23 PM (EST)
 
62. "RE: BORGS had it right"
In response to message #61
 
   If LHP (who knows more about Patsy then Arndy ever will) can't get a book published, who would waste the time publishing anything Arndt could drum up?

Maybe the two of them should get together and write a book called, "Tire Tracks - Run over by the Ramsey bus".


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63. "RE: BORGS had it right"
In response to message #62
 
   Oh please! Get off the soapbox. Patsy and John answered questions
put to them by the police. The police had no idea who the Ramseys knew
or what kind of people the Ramseys knew so questioning them was standard procedure! Their answers were standard responses.

If anyone's child is kidnapped/abducted and murdered-
DON'T tell the police the names of anyone you know had contact
with your child or you will be accused of throwing them under the BUS!!!
That is the message you are sending LL.


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LillyLady
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06-30-06, 03:04 PM (EST)
 
64. "RE: BORGS had it right"
In response to message #63
 
   >DON'T tell the police the names of anyone you know had
>contact
>with your child or you will be accused of throwing them
>under the BUS!!!
>That is the message you are sending LL.


If I kill my child, I'll throw as many people under the bus as I can to keep from being caught. The Ramseys taught me how to do that.
THAT is the message I'm sending, JS.


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65. "RE: BORGS had it right"
In response to message #64
 
  
There is no evidence the Ramseys killed their child.
So, indeed you are sending the message that if a child
is murdered the parents better clam up or be flamed
and false stories made up about them throwing everyone
they knew under that BUS!

For the record, if my child had been murdered I'd give the police
the names of anyone I could remember EVER having even brief contact with my child. A whole busload of them!
I would trust NO ONE and suspect EVERYONE!!!

JS


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66. "Mary Lacy"
In response to message #65
 
   I asked Mary Lacy personally to give Lou what he needed to follow all the leads he thinks important in this case.

Good for you Jameson!


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70.18.210.203
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06-30-06, 03:33 PM (EST)
 
68. "RE: Mary Lacy"
In response to message #66
 
   >I asked Mary Lacy personally to give Lou what he needed
>to follow all the leads he thinks important in this
>case.

>
>Good for you Jameson!

As if Lacy was sitting on her hands all this time, just waiting for Jameson to pipe up and give her direction in the case for the first time ever?

Lou will get nothing from Lacy that he has not already had in the past from Hunter. When he started on the case in March of 1997, he was on the case's payroll as a full-time independent contractor and had access to whatever resources he wanted, including the right to request as much travel and evidence analysis as he could have ever had, and he wasted the opportunity. The case had more money available to it then than it does now.


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67. "RE: Charlie Brennan on Linda Arndt"
In response to message #0
 
   For the record, if my child had been murdered I'd give the police
the names of anyone I could remember EVER having even brief contact with my child.

If they didn't give out names they would have been hiding something. If they give names, they are throwing people under the bus. Sickening. They acted the same way anyone else would who had a loved one murdered.


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ClearingHaze
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06-30-06, 09:36 PM (EST)
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69. "RE: Charlie Brennan on Linda Arndt"
In response to message #67
 
   >For the record, if my child had been murdered I'd give
>the police
>the names of anyone I could remember EVER having even brief
>contact with my child.

>
>If they didn't give out names they would have been hiding
>something. If they give names, they are throwing people
>under the bus. Sickening. They acted the same way anyone
>else would who had a loved one murdered.

No kidding! Damned if they do, damned if they don't. No lose proposition. ( Except for LOSERS ). CH


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Candy
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06-30-06, 09:41 PM (EST)
 
70. "RE: Giving out names"
In response to message #69
 
   Their names were of people they didn't like, or who they believed had negative things to about them to the police like the Whites. Saying Priscilla White would have had a stun gun because she is from California is just vile. It's throwing under the bus big time. And yes, they were hiding from the cops too, refusing interviews for 4 months.


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Justice_Seekermoderator
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06-30-06, 09:51 PM (EST)
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71. "RE: Giving out names"
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   LAST EDITED ON 06-30-06 AT 09:53 PM (EST)
 
What a kidder you are, Candy! That was so funny I forgot to laugh!


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Margoo
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07-01-06, 04:04 AM (EST)
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72. "RE: Giving out names"
In response to message #71
 
   I think Mary Lacy's presence at Patsy's funeral is a statement. She knew the political implications of going there and how it would be interpreted. She's standing by her statement that she supports Carnes' judgment and the bottom line that the evidence points to an intruder.


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