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Miranda
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02-04-05, 08:59 PM (EST)
 
"Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for ..."
 
   bringing her cookies.

Act of kindness will cost girls $900

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/3024575


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  RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for Slim_Shady 02-04-05 1
  RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for Rainsong 02-04-05 2
     RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for Ashley 02-04-05 3
         RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for jamesonadmin 02-04-05 4
         RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for Miranda 02-04-05 5
             RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for Margoo 02-04-05 6
  RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for jamesonadmin 02-04-05 7
     And people wonder why. . . . She-Sherre 02-05-05 8
         RE: And people wonder why. . . . one_eyed_Jack 02-05-05 9
             RE: And people wonder why. . . . Miranda 02-05-05 10
  RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for DonBradley 02-05-05 11
     RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for one_eyed_Jack 02-05-05 12
         RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for Ashley 02-05-05 13
             What's with the husband? Maikai 02-05-05 14
                 RE: What's the world coming to? google_alerts 02-05-05 15
                 RE: What's with the husband? jamesonadmin 02-05-05 16
  Typical DonBradley 02-06-05 17
     There's more.... Maikai 02-06-05 18
         RE: There's more.... DonBradley 02-06-05 19

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Slim_Shady
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02-04-05, 09:41 PM (EST)
 
1. "RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for"
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   dayum!

from now on, I'll answer late night knocks on my door in case the T&L Club has a chapter here.


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Rainsong
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02-04-05, 09:43 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for "
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   She wasn't nasty and she certainly isn't old. She is, however, a bitch.

Rainsong


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Ashley
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02-04-05, 09:49 PM (EST)
 
3. "RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for"
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   Stupid reason to sue. The girls weren't too bright. They should have answered her.

She was only 49. How is that old?


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jamesonadmin
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02-04-05, 10:20 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for"
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   I do think the kids need to understand that they were frightening people so they won't do it again - - not that way.

But I do not think they should be fined for an act of kindness and generosity.


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Miranda
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02-04-05, 10:20 PM (EST)
 
5. "RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for"
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   >She was only 49. How is that old?

No, 49 is not old. Sorry everyone.


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Margoo
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02-04-05, 10:24 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for"
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   LAST EDITED ON 02-04-05 AT 10:31 PM (EST)
 
I think paying the medical bill is "generous" enough ($900) and that there should be no fine. This woman is neurotic and, IMO, should have split the medical bill. Who needs to go to emergency with an upset tummy following such an incident? If she was 89, maybe, but not 49. There's something wrong with this woman, IMO.

edited to add quotes from article linked in post #1:

... were ordered to pay nearly $900 in medical bills for a woman who says she was so startled that she had to go to the hospital.

... then went to the hospital the next morning because she was still shaking and had an upset stomach


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jamesonadmin
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02-04-05, 10:25 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for "
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   Feb. 4, 2005, 1:45PM
Act of kindness will cost girls $900
Associated Press

Shaun Stanley / Associated Press
Taylor Ostergaard, 17, left , and Lindsey Jo Zellitti, 18, display a plate of cookies similar to ones that the two made for neighbors last summer near Durango, Colo., startling one neighbor so badly she had to be hospitalized.
DURANGO, Colo. — Two teenage girls who surprised their neighbors with homemade cookies late one night were ordered to pay nearly $900 in medical bills for a woman who says she was so startled that she had to go to the hospital.

Judge Doug Walker declined Thursday to award punitive damages, saying he did not believe the girls acted maliciously.

Taylor Ostergaard, 17, and Lindsey Jo Zellitti, 18, baked the chocolate chip and sugar cookies one night last July. They made packages with a half-dozen cookies each and added large red or pink construction-paper hearts that carried the message, "Have a great night" and were signed with their first initials: "Love, The T and L Club." Then they set off to make their deliveries.

Wanita Renea Young, 49, said she was at her rural home south of Durango around 10:30 p.m. when she said saw "shadowy figures" outside the house banging repeatedly on her door. She yelled, "Who's there?" but no one answered, and the figures ran away.

Frightened, she spent the night at her sister's home, then went to the hospital the next morning because she was still shaking and had an upset stomach.

The teenagers' families offered to pay Young's medical bills, but she declined and sued, saying their apologies were not sincere and were not offered in person.

The girls declined comment after the ruling. Taylor's mother said the girl "cried and cried."

"She felt she was being punished for doing something nice," Jill Ostergaard said.

Young said the teenagers showed "very poor judgment"

"The victory wasn't sweet," Young said. "I'm not gloating about it. I just hope the girls learned a lesson."

The teens said they did not answer when the woman called out because they wanted the treats to be a surprise.


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She-Sherre
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02-05-05, 01:31 AM (EST)
 
8. "And people wonder why. . . ."
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   random acts of violence outweigh random acts of kindness.

A couple of years ago, a group of neighbors in Los Angeles County, California did a "garden makeover" for a family that they knew was financially strapped. The family sued them for fixing up their property as a surprise. Amazingly, they sued for vandalism over the 1k worth of plants and trees that the Good Samaritans took collection for. Worst yet, the family who owned the property won their suit. For many times more than the people that did the work payed for the plants to do it. AND they were allowed to keep the plantings.

There's a reason to think about the adage "No good deed goes unpunished" before you do nything positive for someone else at this state in human existance.


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one_eyed_Jack
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02-05-05, 12:10 PM (EST)
 
9. "RE: And people wonder why. . . ."
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   I think it's sweet the girls wanted to surprise their neighbor with homemade cookies, but, if I were their mother, I would never allow them to go over at such a late hour, and I wouldn't allow them to knock on a door and run.

I would not sue my neighbors, either, if they took a collection to spruce up my yard, but I probably would talk to them about securing my permission in the future before they came on to the property and started doing landscape work. I wouldn't dream of doing something to my neighbor's property without asking.


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Miranda
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02-05-05, 12:15 PM (EST)
 
10. "RE: And people wonder why. . . ."
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   This is turning into a greater fiasco. The husband of the woman who sued has been making threatening phone calls to the home of one of the girls. The father of one of the girls had to take a restraining order out on the husband. The woman who sued is getting alot of threatening phone calls.

http://durangoherald.com/asp-bin/article_generation.asp?article_type=news&article_path=/news/05/news050205_1.htm


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DonBradley
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02-05-05, 12:17 PM (EST)
 
11. "RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for "
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   I don't think the hour is particularly late nor the 'fear' particularly justified or serious.

This 'trip to the ER' was over ten hours later and I doubt she had any real worries about a heart attack or she would have summoned help far sooner.

She never called the police about a prowler or evidenced any real fear; she just saw an opportunity to make some money.


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one_eyed_Jack
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02-05-05, 12:26 PM (EST)
 
12. "RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for"
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   I agree with you, Don, except 10:30 at night seems late to knock. I've never thought it appropriate to knock and run.

The woman's reactions to the event seem excessive to me, too, and now it sounds like it is turning into a major battle!


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Ashley
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02-05-05, 02:16 PM (EST)
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13. "RE: Nasty old lady sues sweet teens for"
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   I'm sure you'll find she has a long list of lawsuits under her belt. She must be crazy.


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Maikai
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02-05-05, 04:26 PM (EST)
 
14. "What's with the husband?"
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   Making threatening phone calls? She's obviously not that intimidated if she allowed her picture to be taken for the newspaper article. Bad move if she doesn't want pranksters bothering her.


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google_alerts
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02-05-05, 05:13 PM (EST)
 
15. "RE: What's the world coming to?"
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   SAN DIEGO (Reuters) 02/05/04 1800 hrs
Executives at Gortman Consulting are hiring immigrant day laborers to delete their junk e-mail. "Our employees were wasting hours of valuable time sifting through spam," Gortman CEO Donald Barris said Friday. "Finally, I was like, 'Eureka! Hire some low-cost Hispanic laborers to empty our Outlook Express trashcans.' Our IT van just swings by the docks in the morning and picks up a dozen or so guys."

While Barris said the laborers are "happy for the work," labor-rights groups have complained that repeatedly pressing the delete key has caused numerous cases of carpal-tunnel syndrome among migrant spam removers.


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jamesonadmin
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02-05-05, 05:31 PM (EST)
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16. "RE: What's with the husband?"
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   Friendly gesture ends in court

By George Lurie
Herald Staff Writer

Two Durango teens, whose late-night delivery of cookies to a frightened neighbor resulted in a $930 court judgment against them this week, won't have to dig into their own pockets to pay the fine.
Wanita Renea Young won a $930 judgment against two girls who left cookies on her front porch July 31. Young says the incident gave her an anxiety attack, which required hospital care. "Fifteen years ago, I was assaulted by one of my neighbors as I was taking my children to meet the school bus, and I wondered if somehow the incident was connected to that," she said.
Taylor Ostergaard, left, and Lindsey Zellitti display cookies on Thursday similar to ones the two made last summer for their neighbors near Durango. Ostergaard says " ... we were only trying to do something nice. There was no malicious intent whatsoever."

Denver radio station KOA-AM raised more than $1,900 from listeners Friday to pay the girls' $930.78 fine. The remaining sum will go to a charity dedicated to victims of the Columbine High School massacre.

As the radio station raised the money, Taylor Ostergaard and Lindsey Zellitti, both 18, flew to New York City to tape a segment about the cookie caper for ABC's "Good Morning America." But not before the father of one of the girls filed a restraining order against the husband of the litigious neighbor.

On Thursday, Ostergaard and Zellitti found themselves in small claims court and on the losing side of a decision by La Plata County Magistrate Doug Walker.

Ostergaard, a senior at Durango High School, and Zellitti, a freshman at Colby College in Kansas, were ordered to pay $930.78 to Wanita Renea Young. The judgment stems from a July 31 incident that began when the two girls decided to skip a local teen dance and bake a batch of chocolate chip cookies, which they then left - together with anonymous notes - on the doorsteps of nine of their rural neighbors.

"An innocent gesture by two young ladies to be kind to their neighbors has turned into a real circus," said Richard Ostergaard, Taylor's father.

Richard Ostergaard successfully filed a restraining order against Young's husband, Herb, on Friday afternoon in county court, claiming he continues to make harassing telephone calls to the Ostergaard residence.

Wanita Young, 49, is a cashier at Wal-Mart and has been director of the Durango Food Bank since 1990. She lives off of County Road 214 in a rural area on the mesa south of Durango and was in the basement of her house watching television with her 86-year-old mother and 19-year-old daughter about 10:20 p.m. when the incident took place.

"We heard this horrible banging on the door, like someone was trying to break it down," Young said Friday. "I ran upstairs and called out 'Who's there?' three or four times. But no one answered me and when I looked out the window, there weren't any vehicles in sight. But I could see the silhouette of someone on the other side of the window. I got really scared and called the sheriff's department."

According to documents filed with the court, the girls had parked about 500 feet away from Young's home, shielding their car behind a grove of trees.

A statement by Taylor Ostergaard included in court documents said the girls "knocked on the door three times loudly, left the plate of cookies on the step and ran away. (We) wanted someone to hear the door and find the cookies so an animal wouldn't eat them before morning."

Three La Plata County sheriff's deputies, who arrived at Young's home shortly before 11 p.m., discovered the cookies and a note scribbled on red, heart-shaped construction paper reading: "Have a great night. Love, The T and L Club."

The initials, unbeknownst to Young, stood for Taylor and Lindsey.

"I had no idea what the note meant," Young said. "Fifteen years ago, I was assaulted by one of my neighbors as I was taking my children to meet the school bus, and I wondered if somehow the incident was connected to that.

"After the deputies looked around, they weren't sure what had gone on and said that it might be a good idea if I took my mother and daughter and stayed in a motel that night," Young said. "My husband was out of town, so I decided to spend the night in Farmington at my sister's house. Driving down there, I was throwing up and feeling a lot of pressure in my chest. I thought I might be having a heart attack."

The next morning, Young went to the emergency room at Mercy Medical Center, incurring more than $1,400 in hospital bills for what doctors eventually diagnosed as an anxiety attack.

Several days later, Young found out who had left the cookies on her doorstep while speaking on the telephone with Taylor Ostergaard's mother, Jill Ostergaard, who offered to pay for expenses related to the incident not covered by Young's health insurance plan.

The girls also wrote a note of apology to Young, but on the advice of an attorney, they opted not to meet with her in person.

Several weeks later, the Taylors and Ostergaards sent Young an attorney-authored agreement outlining their intention to pay Young and releasing the two families from any further financial liability related to the incident.

But Young was advised not to sign the document and took the girls to small claims court - where a decision Thursday resulted in a victory for Young and national attention for the two teenagers.

Lindsey Zellitti was not available for comment Friday but her mother, Martha, said: "We have no qualms against the judge or Mrs. Young. Obviously, this thing snowballed out of control. These kids were just trying to do an act of kindness."

Martha Zellitti said her daughter planned to return to college after her trip to New York, adding that the teens had decided to decline a request to appear on the "The Tonight Show with Jay Leno."

Taylor Ostergaard said Friday she and Lindsey had no idea of Young's troubled history with other neighbors.

"When I found out she had been assaulted, it did change my perspective and the way I looked at what we did," Ostergaard said. "But we were only trying to do something nice. There was no malicious intent whatsoever."

"This has turned into quite a fiasco," Young said. "It's something that never should have happened and it's just devastating. My phone hasn't stopped ringing. My life has been threatened and I'll probably have to move out of town.

"All I wanted was for those girls to admit that they used poor judgment and apologize in person. If they had done that, I wouldn't have even asked for the money. I just hope they learned a lesson."

Herald Editorial Assistant Lisa Meerts-Brandsma contributed to this report. Reach Staff Writer George Lurie here .


So she was scared, did call the cops and did leave the house that night. I am trying to picture that incident on COPS - - somehow I think it would appear the girls happened to pick on the wrong person, a woman who would have freaked out if a bird flew into her window.

I wonder who she would have sued then.

Personally, I think these lawsuits get pretty stupid at times. The parents offered to pay any medical bills her insurance wouldn't cover - this woman, IMO, preferred to make this a public circus. Bet her anxiety level just jumped 10 points - and she has no one but herself to blame.


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DonBradley
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02-06-05, 09:52 AM (EST)
 
17. "Typical"
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   This is sadly typical of alot of the decisions in Small Claims court where the streamlined proceedings and lack of advocates means that some lawyer doing a four hour volunteer stint on the bench comes up with some very weird decisions that greatly impact the lives of the parties.

Once such a case was filed, it should have been removed from small claims court and heard before a real judge.


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Maikai
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02-06-05, 10:35 AM (EST)
 
18. "There's more...."
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   http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2695569,00.html

Hundreds of emails and letters to the Post. Spunkmeyer cookies wants to hold an event in Durango. The woman originally asked for $3,000....included in the charges were motion detector lights for her porch. I wonder how she deals with the mailman...newspaper boy/girl...anyone else that comes to her door?


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DonBradley
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02-06-05, 10:41 AM (EST)
 
19. "RE: There's more...."
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   She ain't dumb.

If she had asked for more than 3,000.00 it would have gone to a real court.


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