The forum is not a terribly busy one - it will take the members a few days to know you are here. But they will be here, have no fear.

I am presently reading an article in the Bay Area Reporter - and I will pose a few questions based on that article - but I think the first thing you need to do is outline what you will and will not respond to. I know many people have MANY questions on all kinds of things - - from Gender Identification to the night of the murder to Brooke and Natalie. You have some control here so should make it clear what is absolutely off-limits.

1. It has been suggested that SBTC stood for "Shall Be The
Conqueror," - but how does that phrase relate to JonBenet and her situation?

2. What does 118 mean to you?

>Streed said that Karr's motive at this point is to continue
>his 15 minutes of fame by keeping his name in the media.
>
>"Someone should ask this guy, why are you talking to me
>about this?" Streed said.

No one can cut and paste your response to misrepresent you - - not here. That is the good thing about a password protected forum - - you get to respond at length.

So why are you eager to keep talking to people about this???

You were cleared in those cases - right? So why run? Were you afraid of being framed for those murders?

>>Streed said that Karr's motive at this point is to continue
>>his 15 minutes of fame by keeping his name in the media.
>>"Someone should ask this guy, why are you talking to me
>>about this?" Streed said.

There is no validity in what this person is saying about me. It is horrible that anyone would think that I would reach out to JonBenet's mother stemming from anything to do with "fame". I ask you this: why would anyone so eager for "fame" wait for ten years to get that "fame"? It simply does not make sense. And as for perpetuating said "fame", I have no reason to do that nor a desire to "keep my name in the media". I do not contact the media. Instead, they contact me. For almost a year, I did not speak to the media. After almost one year, I decided that it was time for me to come out and address a public that has talked much about me without my response. Again, I do not contact the media. They contact me. I respond selectively and turn down those I feel are inappropriate. The death of this child and my connection to it is an important matter. The media has many questions and I have tried to respond as best I can, lately only. I do not formulate the questions. The media does.

>So why are you eager to keep talking to people about this???

I am not "eager". I respond to questions asked. While some reporters preface an interview with, "I want to talk to you about your life now", the interview changes always to JonBenet. I must make every effort to respond as best I can.

Your reference stems from two sources. One: an entry in a yearbook circa 1983 which conveyed the phrase "SHALL BE THE CONQUERER" that appeared in caps as opposed to much of the entry that appeared in smallcase letters. In the second case, Melissa Shotts, mother of Quientana Ray, a girl I married at age 13 and had contact with at age 12, made a statement to the media that I had signed off with the acronym SBTC on several occasions in letters I wrote to her daughter circa 1983.

The signoff "Victory!" corresponds with the acronym "SBTC": "Victory" being synonymous with "CONQUERER" In a manuscript written that coincides with my verbal account, not mentioned in any taped conversations, I stated, "For lack of a better acronym: SBTC" However, the intensity of our past can manifest itself once more in our future.

>2. What does 118 mean to you?

It must be known that the amount of 118,000 dollars had nothing to do with Mr. Ramsey's bonus. Again, the amount derived is explained in my manuscript. One should focus more on the amount of 100,000 dollars.

But if you wrote the ransom note, what did you mean by using that closing? Clearly the Ramseys wouldn't know what it meant. So it meant something to YOU. Did you feel you had conquered something?

>
>>2. What does 118 mean to you?
>
>It must be known that the amount of 118,000 dollars had
>nothing to do with Mr. Ramsey's bonus. Again, the amount
>derived is explained in my manuscript. One should focus more
>on the amount of 100,000 dollars.

If you reveal the answers to these questions in your manuscript, why not share those answers here? (If this is just an effort to sell a future publication and you simply tell posters the answers are in some manuscript, I can assure you that interest in the thread will quickly fade. Right now Judith and Tom Miller are playing that game of Chess elsewhere and it isn't really appreciated. Posters will come when they realize this thread is here - - but they won't post if they feel you aren't being forthright.

>>>1. It has been suggested that SBTC stood for "Shall Be The
>>>Conqueror," - but how does that phrase relate to JonBenet
>>>and her situation?
>>
>"... the intensity of our past can
>>manifest itself once more in our future."
>
>But if you wrote the ransom note, what did you mean by
>using that closing? Clearly the Ramseys wouldn't know what
>it meant. So it meant something to YOU. Did you feel you
>had conquered something?
>
>
>>
>>>2. What does 118 mean to you?
>>
>>It must be known that the amount of 118,000 dollars had
>>nothing to do with Mr. Ramsey's bonus. Again, the amount
>>derived is explained in my manuscript. One should focus more
>>on the amount of 100,000 dollars.
>
>If you reveal the answers to these questions in your
>manuscript, why not share those answers here? (If this is
>just an effort to sell a future publication and you simply
>tell posters the answers are in some manuscript, I can
>assure you that interest in the thread will quickly fade.
>Right now Judith and Tom Miller are playing that game of
>Chess elsewhere and it isn't really appreciated. Posters
>will come when they realize this thread is here - - but they
>won't post if they feel you aren't being forthright.

Thank you.

>I am presently reading an article in the Bay Area Reporter -
>and I will pose a few questions based on that article - but
>I think the first thing you need to do is outline what you
>will and will not respond to. I know many people have MANY
>questions on all kinds of things - - from Gender
>Identification to the night of the murder to Brooke and
>Natalie. You have some control here so should make it clear
>what is absolutely off-limits.

I would prefer to protect a child who is three years old. I would ask that her name not be posted here. I am willing to talk about many issues but wish for the anonymity of this child to be respected. I will, however, discuss Brooke but will not engage in conversations that concern her daughter out of respect for the child and her mother's request.

Concerning gender identity, I responded to the Bay Area Reporter my stance on changing my sex at the time - as a measure to further vanish from law enforcement.

As for the night of JonBenet's death, I am limited if not silenced concerning the events of that night due the fact that I am not protected by double jeopardy immunity. As much as others have expressed the impossibility that I will ever be arrested again, I do not hold the same security.

But I am sure posters will not press the issue here - they can't change Brooke's choices where her daughter is concerned and screaming about it here won't help anything.

Perhaps you can answer some other questions however.

Your ex-wife says you were with her that Christmas - - you say you were not.

Was there any evidence supporting your story? Plane tickets or charge card receipts showing you bought gas or food in Colorado towards the end of December, 1996?

I do not have the exact reference but I would ask that you review an early transcript from Larry King Live that welcomed as their guest, her attorney at the time, who more precisely quoted her response. Photographic evidence was never produced to prove that I was with my wife at the time on that day or night. No, I was not with her on the night of JonBenet's death.

>Was there any evidence supporting your story? Plane tickets
>or charge card receipts showing you bought gas or food in
>Colorado towards the end of December, 1996?

There is much evidence that substantiates what I shared in strictest confidence with Michael Tracey. All of my personal belongings were lost during both a search by law enforcement in 2001 and due the fact that I was unable to retrieve my personal belongings after a divorce in that same year. Unfortunately, I do not retain any of my records due this.

Are you asking if JMK has been lurking on the forum? To the best of my understanding, NO. A third party emailed me and said they were speaking to JMK and it was through that person we decided JMK might be given a membership. He has made it clear to me that he does not follow any of the Ramsey forums, discussions - and doesn't want to. That is why he asked for a direct link to THIS THREAD - - so he doesn't have to wade through the other stuff to get here.

No. There was also never any intention to collect a ransom.

No, there were no photos found - but that doesn't mean you were not there. Simply put, it is your word against hers. You have to understand that. I don't honestly remember if others supported her statements. I think your father did - and was it your brother???
>
>>Was there any evidence supporting your story? Plane tickets
>>or charge card receipts showing you bought gas or food in
>>Colorado towards the end of December, 1996?
>
>There is much evidence that substantiates what I shared in
>strictest confidence with Michael Tracey. All of my personal
>belongings were lost during both a search by law enforcement
>in 2001 and due the fact that I was unable to retrieve my
>personal belongings after a divorce in that same year.
>Unfortunately, I do not retain any of my records due this.

But LE (Law Enforcement) would have been able to track all of that stuff if they wanted to disprove your ex-wife's claims. Was that done? Did they verify your claim to have been in Colorado that night?

>>It must be known that the amount of 118,000 dollars had
>>nothing to do with Mr. Ramsey's bonus. Again, the amount
>>derived is explained in my manuscript. One should focus more
>>on the amount of 100,000 dollars.

Why such a paltry amount if you really intended to go for a ransom? Why not a million? John could have paid it.

The number wasn't 100,000 - it was 118,000. Why that number?

OK. Please explain that.

You had no previous police record of any magnitude. The arrest for Kiddie porn would CERTAINLY not put you in the Ramsey Radar Zone.

No one has ever come forward with evidence putting you in Boulder that night. Again, nothing there to make you suspect.

So why would you be worried that you would be on the suspect list? Was it paranoia on your part? (And I am not saying that in a mean way - - I just don't know of another word to use here.)

Do you believe now that you could have stayed int he states, kept your mouth shut and NEVER have been linked in any way to the Ramsey case?

If you always hit respond on the BOTTOM post, the posts will appear in numerical order and be easier to read. Just copy and paste what you want to respond to if you want - then hit reply on the bottom post.

There is nothing to explain. That is my best answer to you. I will continue to explain with the rest of your questions.

>You had no previous police record of any magnitude. The
>arrest for Kiddie porn would CERTAINLY not put you in the
>Ramsey Radar Zone.
>
>No one has ever come forward with evidence putting you in
>Boulder that night. Again, nothing there to make you
>suspect.
>
>So why would you be worried that you would be on the suspect
>list? Was it paranoia on your part? (And I am not saying
>that in a mean way - - I just don't know of another word to
>use here.)

Because I knew I was responsible for her death. In knowing that, I responded naturally. Yes, I was concerned that I would be caught based on the fact that I knew I was responsible and felt concerned that it was a matter of time before I would be found out.

>Do you believe now that you could have stayed int he states,
>kept your mouth shut and NEVER have been linked in any way
>to the Ramsey case?

I don't know the answer to that question. Law enforcement makes no announcements prior to an arrest. I had existed in the U.S. for five years without being detected. This was no guarantee to me and so I fled.

You'd have to know me much better to understand.

>>>It must be known that the amount of 118,000 dollars had
>>>nothing to do with Mr. Ramsey's bonus. Again, the amount
>>>derived is explained in my manuscript. One should focus more
>>>on the amount of 100,000 dollars.
>
>Why such a paltry amount if you really intended to go for
>a ransom? Why not a million? John could have paid it.

Shall I quote from my manuscript? I would not want you to think that it is a promotion.

>The number wasn't 100,000 - it was 118,000. Why that
>number?

Yes, I know that it was 118,000. I never said it was not. I merely said that one should focus on 100,000 dollars. A quote from my manuscript or not?

There is no validity in what this person is saying about me. It is horrible that anyone would think that I would reach out to JonBenet's mother stemming from anything to do with "fame". I ask you this: why would anyone so eager for "fame" wait for ten years to get that "fame"? It simply does not make sense.

OK - you asked. The long wait before you spoke out raises several questions. Did you, the killer, keep a secret for so long then just have to share? What sparked the change when the risk of getting caught was so great?

Or, and I know you hate this - - di it take that long for you to convince yourself that you really were responsible for JonBenet's death?

Only you know for sure - - or do you? I don't know. I honestly do not.

... I decided that it was time for me to come out and address a public that has talked much about me without my response.

I think you have learned, as I have, that some media should be avoided - - especially those who heavily edit before publication. That is one reason I prefer the Internet. Anyone can put up their story with no eitor or time limit.

I do not formulate the questions. The media does.

And the Internet is another media form. I know you understand that. We will formulate many questions - and you have the power to answer those you choose and ignore those you don't care to deal with.

>So why are you eager to keep talking to people about this???

I am not "eager". I respond to questions asked. While some reporters preface an interview with, "I want to talk to you about your life now", the interview changes always to JonBenet. I must make every effort to respond as best I can.

But the bottom line is this - - you could quietly disappear, drop out of sight. Change your appearance, use another name. But you do not. You want people to know you caused JonBenet's death but don't want to be punished for it by being put on trial - - - and people do NOT believe it is so Patsy can rest in her grave better.
You are giving interviews - answering questions, putting your face out there and it will take longer to have those fresh memories of your face fade. The question asked is - - why??? Do you know why?

>Only you know for sure - - or do you? I don't know. I
>honestly do not.

I most certainly know.

>... I decided that it was time for me to come out and
>address a public that has talked much about me without my
>response.
>
>I think you have learned, as I have, that some media
>should be avoided - - especially those who heavily edit
>before publication. That is one reason I prefer the
>Internet. Anyone can put up their story with no eitor or
>time limit.

And I have avoided many in the media. I am not sure that the internet is the right place to express anything.

> I do not formulate the questions. The media does.
>
>And the Internet is another media form. I know you
>understand that. We will formulate many questions - and you
>have the power to answer those you choose and ignore those
>you don't care to deal with.

Yes, thank you.

>>So why are you eager to keep talking to people about this???
>
>I am not "eager". I respond to questions asked. While some
>reporters preface an interview with, "I want to talk to you
>about your life now", the interview changes always to
>JonBenet. I must make every effort to respond as best I can.
>
>But the bottom line is this - - you could quietly
>disappear, drop out of sight. Change your appearance, use
>another name. But you do not. You want people to know you
>caused JonBenet's death but don't want to be punished for it
>by being put on trial - - - and people do NOT believe it is
>so Patsy can rest in her grave better.
>You are giving interviews - answering questions, putting
>your face out there and it will take longer to have those
>fresh memories of your face fade. The question asked is - -
>why??? Do you know why?

I do not "want people to know" anything. I am asked to talk and feel it is my right to do so. I have NEVER stated that I do not want to be punished. Therein lies much of what I consider punishment - something I have experienced first hand.

No. There was also never any intention to collect a ransom.

So, then, since when writing the note there was no intention to have an "accident", it would seem that the original intention would have been merely to spend some time with her, and given JB was unconscious there was no fear that when she came to she would identify the person who came to visit her that night? Is that it? Why, then any ransom note?

She knew who was with her for the entire night. The note was written prior to her arrival back at her home that night. It was written because there was a possible intent to take her as I have in the past taken others. I emphasize the word "possible".

We have discussed that possibility many times. Not necessarily in conjunction with your name, but with any intruder suspect.

If an intruder wanted to take JonBenet from her house - - where would he take her??? I mean, Boulder is small. There weren't a real lot of motels and hotels around - - and when the parents missed her there would be a HUGE search. So where would anyone think was "safe"?

And then - - how does one "return" the child?

You all continue if you want - others will catch up to you later.

jams

I have no problem discussing my book - or anyone elses. He can quote his manuscript - no problem. Post parts if he wants - no problem. Posters can choose to read the thread, scroll by, believe what they will and - - if JMK publishes a manuscript and someone wants to buy it - - that is up to them. This is a forum where anyone can do what they want. I am not a dictator. Just the hall monitor who says "talk nice!"

If one takes a child - - how long is the child away from home?

I thought you meant a child might be taken and returned before anyone knew they were missing.

Or did you mean a child might be taken for days.

And the parents just thank the kidnapper because the child is still alive and back home? I have a hard time understanding that. Wouldn't happen here, that's for sure.

Night all - I am off.

Where is the missing piece of the paint brush used to make the garrote.
Where were the cord and duct tape purchased, and when?

What object was used to smash JonBenet's skull in?

Were you wearing Hi-Tec boots ?

Did JonBenet eat any pineapple during the time you claim to have been with her?

Why was John Ramsey's photo in the Boulder County Business Report
encircled with a heart,and the other photos had an X drawn over them?

Where did you first see JonBenet?

I did not. No stun gun was present. I debated intensely with Michael Tracey about this. Certain marks left on her were discussed that would have possibly occurred at different times during the night. It must be noted that there was a vigorous revival attempt. Some marks left on her would have occurred during this time.

>Where is the missing piece of the paint brush used to make
>the garrote.
>Where were the cord and duct tape purchased, and when?

And what does that matter?

>What object was used to smash JonBenet's skull in?

A most harsh description deserving no response. An answer, yes. Please reword your question respecting her and not me.

>Were you wearing Hi-Tec boots ?

No.

>Did JonBenet eat any pineapple during the time you claim to
>have been with her?

Claim? The answer to your question is no.

>Why was John Ramsey's photo in the Boulder County Business
>Report
>encircled with a heart,and the other photos had an X drawn
>over them?

Hearts drawn elsewhere....

>Where did you first see JonBenet?

I can, in no way, describe my connection with JonBenet due the fact that others were involved - those I pledge to protect and will forever do so. I did not stalk her. I knew her as I have thousands of others. Proximity, at given times, must be considered.

Do u feel or have u felt any regret or guilt or shame when considering the accusations, suspicions, anger, hatred, directed towards Mrs Ramsey by those who have believed in her involvement in her child’s death? Did the media’s, public’s, authorities focus on her effect you in any way? How?

Regarding the state of things before your emergence:
has the media’s coverage and the public’s reaction demonstrated anything to you as far as the role and impact of media on public perception?

Steve Thomas played a major role in the development, establishment and reinforcing of Mrs Ramsey Did It theories and beliefs. Do you have any thoughts on him or his actions or the impact he has had? Steve Thomas used the murder of Jonbenet as a means of self promotion – crime solver, whistle blower, martyr – you provided him with the perfect vehicle and he took it and he ran with it and he didn’t seem to care much about who he ran over along the way? Any thoughts on this?

….
I have more experience using the type of garrote used for the asphyxiation then you do and a better understanding of it. setting Jonbenet aside, explain for us your experience with this type of garrote and pass along any insights or tips you might have. it’s a pretty clever and amazingly simple but efficient device. What’s your take on it? why did you manufacture a handle? I don’t even care about how it was used on the child, it’s the garrote itself i am curious about.

Words cannot express the way I felt for all those years that this most wonderful mommy was being falsely accused of taking her own child's life knowing the truth myself. The guilt I felt and continue to feel is so intense and will remain. I must tell you that I avoided media coverage for ten years. From time to time, it was unavoidable to hear about the suspicion that revolved around Patricia. It bothered me very much that this what happening, knowing who I was. My guilt revolves around the fact that I did not come forward sooner. I could have done more. I could have spared her but I chose to instead run and hold a secret for all those years. And for that, I was wrong and I have deep regrets. JonBenet's mother was a most wonderful person. She lost her precious child and then had to bear an additional cross - that of being accused.

>Regarding the state of things before your emergence:
>has the media’s coverage and the public’s reaction
>demonstrated anything to you as far as the role and impact
>of media on public perception?

Yes. I know now that public perception is virtually controlled by the media. It is so difficult to hear about a report that has been made about me that is a complete lie. I know that the media interrupted the process of justice being served in my case by reporting lies in the very beginning. Once lies have been reported, it is useless to try to defend yourself. I have tried.

>Steve Thomas played a major role in the development,
>establishment and reinforcing of Mrs Ramsey Did It theories
>and beliefs. Do you have any thoughts on him or his actions
>or the impact he has had? Steve Thomas used the murder of
>Jonbenet as a means of self promotion – crime solver,
>whistle blower, martyr – you provided him with the perfect
>vehicle and he took it and he ran with it and he didn’t seem
>to care much about who he ran over along the way? Any
>thoughts on this?

I heard about Mr. Thomas after Patricia's death. I am so sorry that he did this to her. I do hold myself responsible for what he has done against Patricia due my actions on that night in 1996. I am strongly displeased that he would do the things that he is doing in the name of our precious JonBenet. I would like to talk to this person and tell him how strongly I feel about his actions.

>I have more experience using the type of garrote used for
>the asphyxiation then you do and a better understanding of
>it. setting Jonbenet aside, explain for us your experience
>with this type of garrote and pass along any insights or
>tips you might have. it’s a pretty clever and amazingly
>simple but efficient device. What’s your take on it? why did
>you manufacture a handle? I don’t even care about how it was
>used on the child, it’s the garrote itself i am curious
>about.

I would rather not discuss that at this time.

Thank you for your questions.

******Those marks are from a stun gun

>>Where is the missing piece of the paint brush used to make
>>the garrote.
>>Where were the cord and duct tape purchased, and when?
>
>And what does that matter?
>
*****It does matter

>>What object was used to smash JonBenet's skull in?
>
>A most harsh description deserving no response. An answer,
>yes. Please reword your question respecting her and not me.
>

*****How can anyone minimize this?? This is JonBenet's actual skull.
This is what her killer did to her.
As you can see in the autopsy photo, her skull is smashed in and cracked. A very HARSH and brutal head blow.

(image redacted because JMK asked that he not be forced to view them here.)

Thank you.

>Can you speculate on why the wrist cord and the garotte cord were >so long?

I do not speculate.

>As you know, JonBenét had what is generally thought to be a
>heart drawn on her hand, and her father's picture also had a
>heart drawn around it. It seems to me a heart would
>represent love, but surely the person who was with JonBenét
>when she died would not love her father, too, would he?

The love I felt for JonBenet was incomparable. I could not hold that love for her father. I would like to talk more about John but not in context to this question.

Thank you, again.

You're very welcome.

"Can you tell me why the wrist cord and the garotte cord were so long?"

There is an answer to that question and it was addressed in my conversations with Michael Tracey and in my writings. To describe it again would require that I go into graphic detail of the events of that night which I feel would not be appropriate on this forum. Her memory is best preserved if I do not explain that to you. I'm sorry.

"What did you think of John Ramsey before the death of JonBenét?"

Thank you for that question. Prior to JonBenet's death, I thought of John as a great provider for his family and a good father. I once referred to John's "quiet reserve". I think he is misunderstood because of that trait. He's a good man. I have always respected him and always will.

I am a moderator on another Webbsleuths forum so therefor many of the other members have followed this case closer than I, but I have followed the murder of JonBenet from the very first news brought on by CNN. JonBenet was a missing child and that is what drew my interest. An interest I had pursued since long before I knew of JonBenet and years before 'home computers'.

At this time I do not have technical questions but a few simple questions.
(1) On that night or early morning, how did JonBenet get downstairs and to the basement?
.....(1a) How did that Christmas deco get into JonBenet's hair?

(2) How did you gain entry into the Ramsey home ?

(3) Before you left for Thailand, how long had it been since you had physically seen your Father and/or brother ?
I will return.
Thank you , LadyBug

I do; however, no one statement can describe the events of that night. I did not intend to take her precious life; hence, the word accidental was used.

>At this time I do not have technical questions but a few
>simple questions.
>(1) On that night or early morning, how did JonBenet get
>downstairs and to the basement?

I carried her as a parent might carry her child to bed. She was asleep during the entire descent with the exception of one partial word she said in half sleep when I first picked her up. I went into great detail about the way I carried her when communicating with Tracey. I still retain that description in my writings.

>(2) How did you gain entry into the Ramsey home ?

Through a basement window located beneath a metal grate.

>(3) Before you left for Thailand, how long had it been since
>you had physically seen your Father and/or brother ?

I left the U.S. on November 24th, 2001. I was returned in August 2006. I spoke to them, for the first time in all those years, while in Boulder County Jail in 2006. I had no communication with any member of my family from 2001 to 2006. My father stated that he thought I was dead.

As you are probably aware, either the head blow or the garrote
killed JonBenet, Either was fatal. I don't believe JonBenet's murder
was an accidental killing.

Can you please take the photo off the thread?

One thing that has always interested me is your statement that you knew JonBenet before. Can you tell us about this acquaintance, i.e., where and how it happened?

Thank you. However, I will understand if you decline to answer.

Edited to add: My thanks to Jameson, too, for giving us the opportunity to speak directly to JMK.

I know we have heard quite a bit on the tapes - those of us who had the stomach to actually listen to them. But those tapes are a small part of the whole - - JMK has said a lot more that we simply don't know. Perhaps he will share some of that information here to help us understand more.

He says he has a manuscript - and I have always said I would be interested in reading it - - if only to know what the authorities saw that prompted them to actually arrest JMK. I didn't see reasonable cause in the tapes I heard. His statements that flew in the face of some of the evidence (as I know it). Maybe if I heard all the tapes or read this manuscript, I would understand better what the authorities thought they had.

My reponse to Lady Bug has vanished. Can you tell me what happened to it? Can we get it back?

It would be very important if you could read my manuscript. I have yet to figure out how to release it without incriminating myself. I have found no solution so far but I continue to work on it. I do think you would have a better understanding if you could view it.

Thank you for this forum.

Thank you for that warm welcome. I really appreciate it. Thank you for posting on the thread.

"I do want you to know that I am sincerely sorry for the difficult
childhood you experienced. By this, I am referring to the
things that happened to you with your mother. I can't
imagine a mother...well, let's just say you have my deepest
sympathy."

Thank you very much for your sympathy. I loved my mother very much. I wrote of her quite a bit in my manuscript. We were close for the very short time that we were together. My memory spans 3 and a half to four and a half years of age. I lost her when I was 4 and a half. One year is a short amount of time though I recall several things about her. I have been asked about her in interviews and have usually refused to make any comments about her. My mother is deceased and cannot speak for herself. She was actually a very sweet and loving person. I loved her and still do.

>One thing that has always interested me is your statement
>that you knew JonBenet before. Can you tell us about this
>acquaintance, i.e., where and how it happened?

I really wish I could tell you all about my relationship with her; however, in knowing a girl of six, one must have a connection with an adult in her life. I cannot compromise the anonymity of those involved - not to protect the guilty but to protect the innocent. It causes me much grief because I can't talk about her as I really want to. I can tell you that she was a most precious and unique little girl. She was precocious in her every action yet still so full of fun and life as is so sweet typical of a little girl of five and six. We sang together and read together. Oh how I loved her and grieve her loss every day of my dismal life.

>Thank you. However, I will understand if you decline to
>answer.

I will do my best to answer. I only wish I could say more.

Thank you for your respectful post. God Bless you.

It is understandable that you do not want to involve others, but I want to try to state why I asked my question. Since you indicated that you (I hope I'm right in saying this) saw JonBenet home from school, it appears that you were not referring to the day she died but to some other time. Thus, you would have had to have been in contact with her on at least one prior occasion. Further, this would mean your contact with her was in Boulder, rather than in Atlanta. Can you tell me if I'm correct in this?

Your kindness in your first reply is much appreciated. Thank you again.

The bond between mother and child is so powerful. 1 Peter 4:8 says, "love covereth a multitude of sins" - and that it does for a child who loves his mother as I loved mine.

>Since you do have such an intense love for
>her, you must also be capable of forgiving. Hopefully you
>will be able to forgive yourself for whatever involvement
>you had with JonBenet. I've always felt you were being
>truthful in your revelations.

Thank you so much for saying that to me. I can assure you that your feelings are merited with my words that have been truthful regarding my responsibility for JonBenet's death. Unfortunately, I will never forgive myself and expect no forgiveness. I have written and have stated on interviews, "forgiveness, if so graciously granted". In other words, forgiveness is a gift one receives, never to be expected of one so undeserving as I am. I never asked Patricia and John to forgive me though I spoke of it. Instead, I extended my heartfelt apology and made every effort to grant peace and closure; however, I did not expect forgiveness and had I received it, it would have been so graciously granted. How could one so unworthy as I, receive such a precious gift?

>It is understandable that you do not want to involve others,
>but I want to try to state why I asked my question. Since
>you indicated that you (I hope I'm right in saying this) saw
>JonBenet home from school, it appears that you were
>not referring to the day she died but to some other
>time.

I never said I picked her up after school. That never came out of my mouth. The Thai authorities misquoted me on three statements due their lack of speaking fluent English. The one detective who spoke English told me that he passed on conversations he had with me to his superiors who interpretted them the way they wanted. These superiors obviously did not speak English well. When I found out that the statements were being aired, I asked the detective to confirm all three of them by asking him the following:

Karr: Did I say that I picked JonBenet up after school on Christmas Day?

Thai Detective Superchai: No.

Karr: You know I am a teacher and was a father and know full well that children don't go to school on Christmas Day.

Karr: Did I say I had sexual intercourse with JonBenet?

Thai Detective Superchai: No.

Karr: Did I say I drugged JonBenet?

Thai Detective Superchai: No

Karr: The media says that the authorities have said that I have made those three statements and you are the only Thai authority I am talking to. Will you please go before the press and confirm that I did not make those three statements?

Thai Detective Superchai: I will do that for you. I report my conversations to my superiors and they interpret them as they wish.

And so, Thai Detective Superchai went down before the media and refuted all those statements. However, I do not think the press reported that hardly at all as important as it was. Those statements that I did not make hurt my credibility and the case. My accounts were already recorded and written. I never mentioned any of those statements in any writings or recordings prior to my arrest nor did I ever say those things after my arrest.

>Thus, you would have had to have been in contact with
>her on at least one prior occasion. Further, this would
>mean your contact with her was in Boulder, rather than in
>Atlanta. Can you tell me if I'm correct in this?

My longterm contact with JonBenet was in Atlanta. That is the first time I have ever revealed that.

>Your kindness in your first reply is much appreciated.
>Thank you again.

You are very welcome. I responded to your kindness.

Anyway, I think your manuscript can provide many answers to many questions. It's such a shame that it can't be made available.

Good luck!

That is correct. When taking a girl of 12, she wrote the note that was left - wording suggested by me. In the case of Boulder 1996, I wrote the note. Notes are not necessarily to be taken literally but are a mere reminder that she has been taken.

>and you say as well that she knew with whom she was with....and yet
>you did not worry that upon return she would reveal what
>happened to her, and in so doing...reveal you...?

Fairly perceptive. Had I returned her, I would have revealed myself as I did when I returned a girl of 12 in 1983.

>She knew whom she was with...you say, but perhaps not your name?

Perhaps or not.

>And Santa too would have known....hence the exchange at the Xmas
>party a few days prior?

I know not what you speak of.

Thank you for your questions. I hope I have responded as you expected.

>N: She knew whom she was with...you say, but perhaps not your name?
>
>JMK: Perhaps or not.
>
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So you're saying that if you returned JB you would reveal yourself to her parents....but surely not as the person who absconded her? "I've brought back your daughter, we played for awhile but no one got hurt"??? Or might you have given a different story to her parents?

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An adult in her life doesn't necessarily have to be someone CLOSE to her. I think you may be describing an area pedophile who, like Jack McClellen, shares photos and names of little girls with others who like to watch children.

Could it be you saw such an image and were drawn to JonBenet above all others and studied (not stalked) her before her death?
>

Thank you, Jack. I wondered if anyone remembered that because so much was said about the three misconceptions. That was so painful for me. I felt helpless until I was able to talk to Superchai who conveyed this to the press. Thank God someone heard it.

I must apologize for my misconception about your having picked her up from school. I thought I had read everything regarding your statements, but apparently this clarification was not noticed. The reason I brought it up was because so many posters justified their disbelief in your story by quoting the "picking her up from school" part and how that could not have been possible. I was trying to see a way for the school account to be true since I have believed from the beginning that you are being truthful. In fact, I believe you even more now because I know first-hand how the media can distort things to suit their purposes.

This is an example of how these posts can separate the truth from media (and LE) distortion. So, thank you again for participating.

Edited to add: I had checked for your response to my last message but apparently didn't go far enough back. (The posts are really coming in now, fast and furiously.) I didn't understand why you hadn't answered my post since you had been so kind and prompt in your prior response(s). Now, in reading your reply, I can only say you have explained it very thoroughly and convincingly.

I know it's very late in Atlanta. But I do want to tell you that I love Atlanta. I visited there frequently when my cousin (now deceased) lived there. She lived on Lake Norris. A lovely place on the outskirts of town.

I did not see anything in your introduction that prohibits the
posting of photos, jameson.

JMK insulted me after I asked him what object was used to smash JonBenet's skull in. I then asked him, how can one minimize what was done to JonBenet's skull and postedthe skull photo. Her little skull was crushed in or smashed in or....
How else is there to describe it?

I was civil in my questions, but please do not expect us to coddle
this guy who claims he caused JonBenet's death.

If he expects no one to ask the hard questions then what the hell is he doing on this forum?

I think it is very inappropriate to expose photos of JonBenet like this. I am sure that you would not want such photos of your child to be posted on the internet or elsewhere. It is out of respect to her memory that we refrain from such photos here knowing that we all respect the memory of JonBenet. I firmly believe that you have nothing but respect for JonBenet. You have expressed your care for her well.

>JMK insulted me after I asked him what object was used to
>smash JonBenet's skull in.

How did I insult you? I certainly did not intend to do that.

>I then asked him, how can one minimize what was done to JonBenet's >skull and posted the skull photo.

I have never minimized anything concerning her death.

>I was civil in my questions, but please do not expect us to
>coddle this guy who claims he caused JonBenet's death.

I do not expect anything past hate from you. I accept your hate. I deserve it.

>If he expects no one to ask the hard questions then what the
>hell is he doing on this forum?

The hard questions are ok. I understand your frustration.

I didn't find your answer if you intended to this question:

.....(1a) How did that Christmas deco get into JonBenet's hair? Thanks

It is my reply to you that I cannot find.

>I didn't find your answer if you intended to this question:
>
>.....(1a) How did that Christmas deco get into JonBenet's
>hair? Thanks

I did not intend an answer to that question. I'm sorry.

Thanks.

I'm editing this to say that we know JonBenet's hair was in pony tails when she was found because of pictures.

I do not wish to elaborate.

Edited to add: I just thought of something else and rather than make a new post I thought I'd just add to this one.

Do you know if the Barbie nightgown that was found near her is part of what is, to us, a puzzle. Just a simple "yes" or "no" will suffice. (I'm not asking for an explanation.) Thanks again.

No.

Sorry for the mixup but sometimes that happens when a post must be deleted or a poster errs, it happens.
Goodnight ...

I am not sure where it went. I only know that it is gone unfortunately. Maybe Jameson can help us bring it back. Goodnight to you.

I carried her as a parent might carry her child to bed. She was asleep during the entire descent with the exception of one partial word she said in half sleep when I first picked her up. I went into great detail about the way I carried her when communicating with Tracey. I still retain that description in my writings.

>(2) How did you gain entry into the Ramsey home ?

Through a basement window located beneath a metal grate.

>(3) Before you left for Thailand, how long had it been since
>you had physically seen your Father and/or brother ?

I left the U.S. on November 24th, 2001. I was returned in August 2006. I spoke to them, for the first time in all those years, while in Boulder County Jail in 2006. I had no communication with any member of my family from 2001 to 2006. My father stated that he thought I was dead.
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John Mark Karr
Hint...when I login I click on the link at the top of the forum, READ NEW...before I log out I do the same. IF I have viewed all, I click on MARK ALL which saves me so much precious time searching.
Now must go...

>If you care to respond, there has been some talk that when
>JonBenet was found her hair had been put in pony tails. I
>think Patsy has said her hair was not like that when she was
>put to bed. Do you know how her hair got this way? If so,
>would you care to elaborate?
I do not wish to elaborate.

Without revealing what your first response was, I'd like to say that you changed your reply to this post. Although I won't say what your original reply was, I hope you don't make a practice of doing this since it might make any response you give suspect. So may I suggest that you give more thought when posting so that you won't find it necessary to change a previous reply. No hard feelings. The reason I noticed is because your original reply stuck in my mind.

Now, I hope I haven't offended you, because this thread just keeps drawing me like a magnet and several other questions have come to mind: I'll try to make it easier for you to address them by listing them separately.

1. I think you were quoted as saying you heard one of her parents reading to her when she was put to bed. So, if that is true, does it mean you were close enough at the time to have heard this?

2. How long, approximately, were you in the house?

3. You said, "I really wish I could tell you all about my relationship with her; however, in knowing a girl of six, one must have a connection with an adult in her life. I cannot compromise the anonymity of those involved - not to protect the guilty..."

With this statement, it appears that you are saying that since you met her in Atlanta, there is/was an adult in Atlanta with whom you had a connection to her. Am I correct in assuming this?

4. Did you know beforehand that the family would be away for a while on Christmas night?

5. Could you possibly be the person a neighbor saw walking in the yard that evening?

6. There are reports of sightings of a car similar to one you owned being seen in the area. Could this car have been your car?

I hope I haven't bombarded you with too many questions at one time. It's very late and I've a busy day ahead tomorrow, so it might be rather late before I can get back to the forum.

Again, I'm very sorry if I offended you by bringing up the change you made in a post. I can readily understand why it was done, but hopefully you won't find it necessary in future posts.

Thank you again.

Refer to my response to Jameson.

>1. I think you were quoted as saying you heard one of her
>parents reading to her when she was put to bed. So, if that
>is true, does it mean you were close enough at the time to
>have heard this?

I never said that.

>2. How long, approximately, were you in the house?

Several hours though I did not have a watch on. Again, this is on the record and has been asked before. No problem answering it again.

>3. You said, "I really wish I could tell you all about my
>relationship with her; however, in knowing a girl of six,
>one must have a connection with an adult in her life.
>I cannot compromise the anonymity of those involved - not to
>protect the guilty..."
>
>With this statement, it appears that you are saying that
>since you met her in Atlanta, there is/was an adult in
>Atlanta with whom you had a connection to her. Am I correct
>in assuming this?

Are you referring to a resident or a nonresident? I must be careful in answering you.

>4. Did you know beforehand that the family would be away
>for a while on Christmas night?

Yes.

>5. Could you possibly be the person a neighbor saw walking
>in the yard that evening?

I heard about this after my release in 2006. It would depend on the exact location and time. Has he been asked to describe who he saw since my arrest? And what was his description? I do have a question for that person if I knew who he was. Upon my returns to JonBenet's house, a woman across the street looked at me.

>6. There are reports of sightings of a car similar to one
>you owned being seen in the area. Could this car have been
>your car?

If you are referring to my dark gray Jaguar XJ6, it was titled several months after JonBenet's death.

Thank you for your questions. Please clarify the questions I have asked and I will make every effort to further answer your questions.

John Mark, This is the kind of grey area we discussed that makes me think you really do NOT know what happened that night.

The poster is mistaken - Patsy never suggested anyone changed JonBenet's hair style. The two pony tails matched the hair as it was earlier in the day according to photos taken at the Whites.

So if you knew all that happened that night, why didn't you simply correct that misstatement and say her hair had not been changed??

(I weigh that next to the statement you make that there was no stun gun when the injuries are right there - - - those are two reasons I think you honestly may be deluding yourself.

You must understand my position.

>N: She knew whom she was with...you say, but perhaps not your name?
>
>JMK: Perhaps or not.
>
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NEW QUERY:
So you're saying that if you returned JB you would reveal yourself to her parents....but surely not as the person who absconded her? "I've brought back your daughter, we played for awhile but no one got hurt"??? Or might you have given a different story to her parents? What might that have been?

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Well it didn't happen so it is difficult to say. When I returned the 12 year old, I can't remember what I said but it wasn't much. I wrote about her parents' response in my manuscript. To sum it up here, it was horrible to see her parents in such pain. I will never forget her mother's crying. I didn't say anything at that point. There was no way to explain anything. I just know that I returned her. I refer to this situation because I experienced it. I did not have that experience with JonBenet where I took her and returned her. I do know that I would have expressed my love for her.

It was either law enforcement or Michael Tracey (the same difference) who asked me if I changed JonBenet's hair on that night. I responded that I had not changed her hair (regarding the specifics of the question above). There is something about her hair that I do NOT wish to elaborate on and that was what I was speaking of here though I did convey this information to law enforcement and Michael Tracey. It's all on the record if anyone can get the interrogation report or all the conversations with Tracey.

It was after midnight in Atlanta when I was trying to keep up with the posts. I will NEVER answer posts at that late hour again. It is when I get exhausted that I am not perfect in my answers and can get things a bit confused, hence, the reason I edited my post because my words were not perfect nor my perception of the question asked. I will NEVER edit my messages again. I have tried to do my best in answering all the questions posed over the last 24 hours with as much depth as possible. I've really spent a lot of time on those things I can respond to. I'm sorry if I do not wish to elaborate on other things. I am also not perfect.

*****JMK doesn't answer any of the important, HARD questions.
It is all GREY area with him.

I noticed that no one has asked him about any of those movie lines
in the ransom note. The threats to kill JonBenet, etc.

Thank you for that information. I am sorry you went through something negative due that person.

>It was a total smear campaign of the dad on the internet to
>discredit anything he said because they wanted to cash in
>big time on the Ramsey case. I won't bore you with all the
>details, but I was very happy they were unable to cash in on
>JonBenét.

I heard something about her wanting money. I never watched any coverage on her.

>I was shocked to see that news conference in Bangkok. The
>crush of reporters was unbelievable.

At the airport, my rib was bruised from the crushing of the media. It was inappropriate and horrible.

>I heard something about her wanting money. I never watched
>any coverage on her.

You didn't miss much.

The thing about it was the paperwork was publicly available if someone wanted it, but the aggressiveness in suppressing the information was pretty harsh.

Did you ever read her analysis of you?

>At the airport, my rib was bruised from the crushing of the
>media. It was inappropriate and horrible.

It was definitely inappropriate. I was starting to wonder if you were going to make it out alive. What was it like to live in Bangkok if you don't mind me asking?

I don't know anything about that.

>Did you ever read her analysis of you?

No, I did not.

>It was definitely inappropriate. I was starting to wonder if
>you were going to make it out alive.

From what I understand, there were SWAT sharp shooters positioned at the airport upon my arrival in Boulder. That's third hand information coming from a person who read that in a newspaper. I still feel that I am in danger especially in light of Cho's manifesto. This man was a mass murderer who spoke of me in a final document just prior to or during the killings.

>What was it like to live in Bangkok if you don't mind me asking?

I spent 8 months in Bangkok. I left on one occasion for Korea but returned after a couple of weeks. The people there can be very kind. The language barrier is intense. There is a lot of poverty. The homeless begging children broke my heart. As a teacher, I loved working with the children there. I did not go out at night as a general rule. I probably went out at night on less occasions than I can count on one hand. I stayed in a lot unless I was going to work. The heat was the main factor for that. I would like to return there but it seems that my visa request was rejected though I never received official confirmation. I will point out that I did not go to Bangkok for any reason other than work.

Thank you for your questions.

********

JMK, would you elaborate on the article below?

********

Thai arrest spurred by e-mails about girl, 5

By Ann Imse, Rocky Mountain News

August 29, 2006

John Mark Karr wrote in e-mails that he wanted to have sex with a beautiful, blue-eyed, blond 5-year- old girl in his class in Thailand.
Authorities' fear that he was moving in on her prompted his arrest on murder charges sooner than they had planned.

According to a court document written by an investigator, Karr said in e-mail and phone contacts with a Boulder professor that "he was drawn extremely close to the beauty of the child and desired to have a sexual relationship with (her)."

The document said Karr added that he was having difficulty "getting (her) off of my mind."

Karr also said he was depressed because he could not see her during summer vacation, from mid-July to mid-August.

Classes resumed Aug. 15 and investigators confirmed that Karr was again teaching children. On the same day they learned this, Boulder prosecutors obtained a judge's signature on a warrant for his arrest in the 1996 killing of blond, green-eyed JonBenet Ramsey at her Boulder home.

The warrant was dropped Monday.

Karr's e-mails named the girl in Thailand and others who drew his interest, but the names were deleted from documents released to the public.

Investigators said they were able to determine Karr was having "personal involvement" with at least one.

Using the name Daxis in his e-mails, Karr added that "little girls can have sexuality that is not largely recognized."

He also described two children exposing their navels to him, and massaging someone's foot under a table in the international school's lunchroom.

Court documents said that Thai police twice asked Karr for a DNA sample and he refused. Then he agreed, but sampling supplies were not available.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4953101,00.html

">I was shocked to see that news conference in Bangkok. The
>crush of reporters was unbelievable.

At the airport, my rib was bruised from the crushing of the media. It was inappropriate and horrible."

I noticed this, too. In fact, one of the officers obviously had his fingers dug into John's arm. This, too, was entirely inappropriate and horrible.

And, John. I'll try to go over the points you made in your reply to me. I hope I did not offend you when I mentioned your editing a post. Of course, that is your privilege and I probably should have said nothing. And I do understand it was late...very late. And I'm sure you were very tired. In fact, I was surprised that you were still posting at that late hour.

Also, from what Jameson says I must have been under a false assumption about JonBenet's hair. I sometimes don't pick up on corrected statements and therefore an original statement remains in my memory. If this happens, please feel free to correct me. You say you are not perfect. Well, I make no pretense of being perfect. In fact, I'm far from perfect. I apologize if I implied anything insulting to your intelligence. To be perfectly honest, I'm very surprised at your wisdom and your ability to respond to various posters in such an insightful manner. Also, I'm very impressed at the way you handle yourself, without becoming ruffled or "unglued" as some might say. So please keep up what you're doing for us. Hopefully we will all learn something from the experience. Thanks again.