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"New Enquirer Story -- continued"
 
   This is part two of New Enquirer Story a thread dealing with a soon to be published article concerning "Boots" Helgoth, the manner of his death and any possible relation to a planned kidnapping of JonBenet Ramsey.


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New Enquirer Story -- continued [View All] DonBradley 05-17-04 TOP
  Recent posts from prior thread DonBradley 05-17-04 1
     Having a record ... DonBradley 05-17-04 2
         RE: Having a record ... Evening2 05-17-04 3
             Helgoth's fingerprints Justice_Seekermoderator 05-17-04 4
                 RE: Helgoth's fingerprints DonBradley 05-17-04 5
                     RE: Helgoth's fingerprints Mikiemoderator 05-17-04 6
             RE: Having a record ... Dave 05-17-04 7
                 RE: Having a record ... Margoo 05-17-04 8
                 RE: Having a record ... Evening2 05-17-04 9
                     RE: Having a record ... jamesonadmin 05-17-04 10
                         I agree...... Maikai 05-18-04 11
                             Accomplices DonBradley 05-18-04 12
                             Margoo: Records Dave 05-18-04 13
                                 RE: Dave & Jameson Margoo 05-18-04 14
                                     RE: Dave & Jameson Hudson 05-18-04 15
                                         RE: Dave & Jameson jamesonadmin 05-18-04 16
                                             RE: Dave & Jameson Dave 05-18-04 17
                                             RE: Dave & Jameson Margoo 05-18-04 18
                                             RE: Dave & Jameson jamesonadmin 05-18-04 19
     STARTING with Helgoth DonBradley 05-18-04 20
         Question: Matters of the Heart Dave 05-18-04 21
             RE: Question: Matters of the Heart Evening2 05-18-04 22
                 Links to people close to the Ramseys? Maikai 05-18-04 23
                     ? Summer 05-19-04 24
                         Summer mBm 05-19-04 25
                             RE: Summer Mikiemoderator 05-19-04 26
                                 RE: not a developer BraveHeart 05-19-04 27
                                     RE: Alie Berrelez Margoo 05-19-04 28
                                         RE: Alie Berrelez Margoo 05-19-04 29
                                         RE: Alie Berrelez Mikiemoderator 05-19-04 30
                                             RE: Alie Berrelez Margoo 05-19-04 31
                                             RE: Alie Berrelez Mikiemoderator 05-19-04 32
  RE: New Enquirer Story -- continued Dave 05-20-04 33
     Remember Ransom? Maikai 05-20-04 34
         RE: Remember Ransom? Dave 05-20-04 35
  54,000 dollar question one_eyed_Jack 05-21-04 36

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1. "Recent posts from prior thread"
In response to message #0
 
   #69, Margoo: Closure Date
Posted by Dave on 05-16-04 at 11:18 PM
In response to message #66

Margoo,
Thanks for posting that URL. As you indicated, it is not a complete site.

An interesting statute is that someone who registers because of conviction for Felony 1, 2, or 3 must register for 20 years, which happens to result in 1999 from 1979. But Kenady should not have had to register. Only convictions on or after July 1, 1991 (July 1, 1994 for certain offenses) have this requirement.

So that closure date is interesting. It suggests a deferral for 20 years, which is one heck of a long time. Twenty years of keeping one's nose clean (or go straight to prison) might be really tough. What I'm suggesting is that on top of three years of reporting to a probation officer, he may have had 17 years of deferred adjudication, or whatever it's called in Colorado, wherein he could not commit any even halfway serious offense or else end up in prison.

#70, RE: Stun Gun Evidence Discovery
Posted by Margoo on 05-17-04 at 00:06 AM
In response to message #69

Interesting, too, that the news about the stungun hadn't even come out, yet.
That is an important point, One_Eyed Jack. By memory, it seems to me that Lou Smit was hired in March 1997. Helgoth's death preceded his involvement in the case by a month. Lou noted the abrasions in the autopsy photos were remarkably similar to stun gun marks in April, 1997 I believe (going on memory). At any rate, Helgoth's death preceded the "stun gun theory" by more than a month. If it were planted, it was done by someone who KNEW about the stun gun used in JB's murder, long before it was public knowledge.

#71, RE: Stun Gun Evidence Discovery
Posted by Margoo on 05-17-04 at 00:12 AM
In response to message #70

Speaking of stun guns, Jameson do you know where this statement came from:
Lou Smit: "The stun gun that we came up with is this one and it’s
the Air Taser stun gun. When the stun gun is energized you see a
light blue mark and if you look closely at the blow-up you'll see
a light blue mark extending from one of the marks to the other on
the back of JonBenét."


compared to this statement: (copied from http://www.jameson245.com/doc2usa.htm)

Elite Court TV, Nov 7, 2002

LOU - The stun gun that we came up with is this one and its the Air Taser stun gun. If a stun gun is used on a little girl I'm sure it would have knocked her flat and it would have allowed the killer to take her from her bed without her struggling.


HUGE DIFFERENCE!
#74, RE: Stun Gun Evidence Discovery
Posted by jameson on 05-17-04 at 08:22 AM
In response to message #71
>Speaking of stun guns, Jameson do you know where this
>statement came from:
>
>Lou Smit: "The stun gun that we came up with is this one and
>it’s
>the Air Taser stun gun. When the stun gun is energized you
>see a
>light blue mark and if you look closely at the blow-up
>you'll see
>a light blue mark extending from one of the marks to the
>other on
>the back of JonBenét."
>
>
>compared to this statement: (copied from
>http://www.jameson245.com/doc2usa.htm)
>
>Elite Court TV, Nov 7, 2002
>
>LOU - The stun gun that we came up with is this one and its
>the Air Taser stun gun. If a stun gun is used on a little
>girl I'm sure it would have knocked her flat and it would
>have allowed the killer to take her from her bed without her
>struggling.
>
>
>HUGE DIFFERENCE!

Both of those statements were made by Lou Smit in front of me. I believe they were both in the documentary by Mills and Tracey.

#75, RE: Stun Gun Evidence Discovery
Posted by jameson on 05-17-04 at 08:23 AM
In response to message #70

>... Helgoth's death
>preceded the "stun gun theory" by more than a month. If it
>were planted, it was done by someone who KNEW about the stun
>gun used in JB's murder, long before it was public
>knowledge.
That is one very big reason some of us latched onto Helgoth and never let go.

#72, RE: Wording of Statute
Posted by Evening2 on 05-17-04 at 00:31 AM
In response to message #62

Jameson, "not the spouse of the victim" is just the wording of the statute and would be used no matter what the age of the victim, providing the victim was not the spouse of the offender.

#73, RE: Wording of Statute
Posted by Margoo on 05-17-04 at 00:36 AM
In response to message #72

I don't seen any indication that Kenady served time in jail for any of his offenses. Jameson, you have spoken to him. Did he serve time in jail?

#76, RE: Wording of Statute
Posted by jameson on 05-17-04 at 08:28 AM
In response to message #73

Kenady told me he had a record, I did not ask him a lot about that - my focus was what he was willing to tell me about Helgoth and others around him that might have been involved in the murder of JonBenét Ramsey.
Ollie Gray and Michael Tracey and others have spent much more time with him, checked his background, checked and rechecked his stories.... they have not told me he is not credible - - they have found his information interesting and verifiable - - - I won't work to discredit him unless there is evidence he is doing something wrong in this case.


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2. "Having a record ..."
In response to message #1
 
   Having a record can mean anything from a juvenile offense to merely having an arrest record or to having done some sort of community service on a minor charge of which he was convicted. It can also mean having a multi-page printout of arrests and convictions for a variety of charges.
"Having a record" does not make one totally unreliable as a witness, but it does raise questions.


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3. "RE: Having a record ..."
In response to message #2
 
   FWIW, interestingly, many people who have not been convicted of ANY crimes still have an arrest record. One would think if there was no conviction on the record then there would be no arrest either. However, it is a separate process to get the actual arrest removed from ones record. So, if anyone was ever arrested and not convicted, even for a minor offense, please take the time to make sure that the arrest has also been removed from your file.


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4. "Helgoth's fingerprints"
In response to message #3
 
  

This message is from SAM.

The guy who committed suicide in the Ramsey (Helgoth) case of course his prints should be on the gun.



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5. "RE: Helgoth's fingerprints"
In response to message #4
 
   Usually, but not always.
However, even if his prints are on the gun, that doesn't mean someone else did not pull the trigger and then place his fingers against the firearm. Triggers don't have much of a surface to 'dust' and finger oils may not always be deposited there anyway.


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6. "RE: Helgoth's fingerprints"
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   I was trying to figure out why Boots would put a sock on his hand. It seems like he might do that to prevent his fingerprint from being on the gun, IF he committed suicide. Now what purpose would that serve? It does not make sense yet, to me anyway. The only thing I can figure is that the REAL killer used the sock, shot him, and then put it on Boot's hand to suggest that it was suicide. By the way I always thought it was a rifle but now I see it was a handgun. The trajectory was from the left. Can you shoot yourself with your right hand and a handgun and have the trajectory that way? Perhaps if you use your thumb on the trigger. But with a sock on your hand? It's all pretty baffling.


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7. "RE: Having a record ..."
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   Regarding having a record:

Everyone please go check what Jams posted on the Facts and Docs forum. It's very a very interesting record, very long, full of civil suits going both ways, citations, etc. This is just what is publicly available. Usually what is available to someone who digs deeper is, based on my own research on other cases, as much as ten times worse. As Evening2 indicated, the public record is just the tips of icebergs. Everyone I know that has this many court actions is --- Trouble.


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8. "RE: Having a record ..."
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   LAST EDITED ON 05-17-04 AT 10:56 PM (EST)
 
I did go through all of those "Actions" last week. Many of them are traffic/motor vehicle violations, no vehicle registration, no auto insurance; a couple are legal actions initiated by Helgoth; several were dismissed by the DA or the court.

The key ones are the ones we have been discussing -- the illegal trespass (into Helgoth's home after the "suicide") and the child sex assault.

I don't know much about such "records", but I was surprised at WHAT was shown on this list (more than I would have expected when considering the traffic matters and the dismissed actions). Rather than the tip of the iceberg, then, I (naively??) thought there was more listed than necessary. The guy does not look good (on paper anyway). I don't like those who drive without proper vehicle registration and - most importantly - WITHOUT INSURANCE, but really, this list has a lot of fluff when considering "criminal" matters. The CORE charges seem (to me) to be the trespass and child sex assault.


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9. "RE: Having a record ..."
In response to message #7
 
   I took a look at the public record for John Kenady. Lots of traffic, money judgments, small civil actions, and the breaking and entering and sexual child abuse. A few cases were dismissed. I'm not sure why, but after looking at his background (from the public record) I somehow have a feeling there is more to the "Sexual Child Abuse" than meets the eye. Oh, there are also a few restraining orders,,,some filed by him.


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10. "RE: Having a record ..."
In response to message #9
 
   As for Kenady having a troubling criminal history..... what kind of person would you really expect our killer to hang with? If my theory is correct and he started out a burglar and moved up to murder.... if he was a petty criminal before - - chances are he knew others who had similar interests.

Kenady was a small time criminal and he readily admits that.

Let's not shoot the messenger if his message is an honest one.

Look at some of the people we have seen discredited here - - they had no criminal histories, some had pretty impressive jobs and histories - - but they were lying sacks of scum.

I myself would take Kenady's stolen documents and passed on boots over Foster's "expert opinion" anytime.


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11. "I agree......"
In response to message #10
 
   There was the case of Tom Luther (serial killer), who was finally convicted of murder in Golden, CO, in l996. The main witness against him was a drug dealer with a shady past.


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12. "Accomplices"
In response to message #11
 
   While I have generally been quite biased on the issue of accomplices, I certainly would think that any such accomplices would hardly be recruited from the upper tiers of society. Its also quite likely that while we on the forum can post things about 'Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead' the people who actually come from the lower levels of society not only believe in that saying, they are usually quite comfortable in living according to it.


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13. "Margoo: Records"
In response to message #11
 
   Margoo,

Public records will sometimes show every court action taken for a case. So you may see multiple records that are actually for a single case. However, if you've ever known a career criminal and compared what you knew to their public record, you'll see that the public record is an absolute joke. If a person has only one record, then that may be it. If they have two, there probably should be 20. If they have four, there should probably be 400. That's what I've seen with people whose activities I was familiar with. Some of this is because they get away with a lot; some of it is due to the criminal justice system itself. For example, oftentimes a criminal will be charged for only one count of what was actually multiple offenses, and so on. I personally know of one case where between 100 and 200 offenses were reduced to ONE count, and the punishment was probation.

Inaccuracy is going to be especially prevalent in Boulder County where Alex Hunter was well-known for his "pre-charge negotiations." What this means, in case you aren't aware, is that the accused isn't even CHARGED with anything until everybody agrees what is going to happen. The public records are going to be even further off from the truth.


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14. "RE: Dave & Jameson"
In response to message #13
 
   True, this guy looks like someone to steer clear of and a very active petty criminal. Now, more than 50 years of age, his credibility will suffer due to his past, but I'd like to hear what he has to say and would very much like to see the case investigators follow it up.

I suspect the BPD did NOT listen to him and did NOT extensively follow up his 'story' for the very reasons cited here, but as Jameson has noted, tips often come from sources (people) of Kenady's ilk. I have been hoping to hear from a someone who might have heard a jail-house confession, so what Kenady has to say does interest me.

I am not going to SHIFT all hopes of finding the killer to this 'basket', however, because I believe at least some, if not most, of the Helgoth-Kenady connection HAS been checked out. They are not new names in this investigation, but as they say cold cases are often solved through names/tips that were in the file from the earliest days following the crime. Following the dots may just lead to a break in the case.


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15. "RE: Dave & Jameson"
In response to message #14
 
   The fact that Kenady has a child sexual assault charge against him interests me greatly.

If you remember, I believe the 1974 kidnapping of the McReynolds daughter and the 1996 murder of JonBenet may be related.

Kenady fits age wise and locality wise. Now I find out he has a prior for a similar type of offense.

Is it safe to assume that the survivors of the 1974 kidnapping have seen this guys picture?


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16. "RE: Dave & Jameson"
In response to message #15
 
   There are more names linked to Helgoth's story. The NE didn't have them all. Mills and Tracey may not have all but they have found some very interesting links that Helgoth had to people surrounding the Ramseys.

In about 4 weeks we will know what the BBC show was - - that will open new discussions. Stay tuned.


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17. "RE: Dave & Jameson"
In response to message #16
 
   "There are more names linked to Helgoth's story."

Good. Stopping at Helgoth would be a big mistake.


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18. "RE: Dave & Jameson"
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   Do we know someone who can tape it in the UK?


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19. "RE: Dave & Jameson"
In response to message #18
 
   I don't have anyone but Mills himself and he said he would send a copy. (I have been promised things like that before and - - well, the English may do what they say but they don't rush it.)


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20. "STARTING with Helgoth"
In response to message #1
 
   IF there was an 'assisted' suicide, then Helgoth is just the starting point for sure.
From his 'guardian' comments and the comments about his employment record etc, it appears he was not exactly 'swift' upstairs and so would be unlikely to be the originator of anything like this. And certainly if he had indeed rented that remote cabin for a hideout with a kidnap victim, he sure was stupid to put his own name on the lease.


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21. "Question: Matters of the Heart"
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   I've been trying to locate information on the trajectory of Helgoth's fatal wound. I've seen a description that suggests that he was shot from the left going somewhat to right with a shotgun blast (into a pillow first) --- but I'm not sure if this is right or not. If so, was he shot in the heart or close to it? If so, this means that he was shot in the heart on Valentine's Day. The timing may not have anything to do with Hunter's pronouncement, but instead have to do with Valentine's Day, the same as JonBenét's murder being on Christmas.


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22. "RE: Question: Matters of the Heart"
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   Dave, if there is a connection I too thought it would be Valentine's Day.


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23. "Links to people close to the Ramseys?"
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   C'mon Jameson....give us a hint---were they employees or workers in the house?


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24. "?"
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   Why all the sudden did the N.E look at him?


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25. "Summer"
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   <Why all the sudden did the N.E look at him?

I think it's because the Mills/Tracey project focuses on him. Reporters have a way of finding out these things.


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26. "RE: Summer"
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   I would not be surprised to see connections between Oliva and Boots McRs? Wolf? White? I also wonder if John might have dealt with Boots in his company in some way, perhaps in developing CADD software or something like that. There has to be some interaction between a software developer and a drafting professional. I do not know how John could have developed Access Graphics on his own in his garage or basement.


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27. "RE: not a developer"
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   John's company sold Autocad software to large businesses and other smaller wholesalers, along with some other enterprise level Unix OS software. He was not at all involved in developing Autocad and would not have had any reason to deal with a lone drafter, even in the sales area. A single license for Autocad runs about 4 G's. AG is a marketing company.

Personally, I would very much like to discover who Helgoth knew and ran with, where he went. It might be very interesting, Mikie.


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28. "RE: Alie Berrelez"
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   http://www.alie.com/main.htm

Alie Berrelez was five years old when she was abducted by a stranger on Tuesday, May 18th 1993. She was playing in the yard of her home in Englewood, Colorado. The local police did an extensive search to find Alie.

Alie was found murdered four days later. Her lifeless body was found on Saturday, stuffed in a duffel bag, by Deer Creek Canyon at the foothills of the Rocky Mountains. Aurora, Colorado police bloodhound Yogi, owned by Officer Jerry Nichols, led officers for 14 miles to where Alie was found. This case remains unsolved.

http://www.insidedenver.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_2864164,00.html

When four days later, a bloodhound named Yogi helped lead searchers to Deer Creek Canyon where they found Alie's body in a sack, it was Berrelez who created a foundation that supplied tracking bloodhounds to police departments across the nation.

COULD THIS BE THE PURPOSE OF THE SACK THE ROPE WAS FOUND IN?

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http://63.147.65.175/news/jon103.htm

June 22 - While the public has been focused on the murder of JonBenet Ramsey, many other murders involving metro-area children remain unsolved.

From Steven Wicks and Ronald DeFond, two boys kidnapped on their way to buy ice cream and later found dead, to Tracy Marie Neef, who vanished on her way into her elementary school building, the murder cases continue to puzzle police departments and leave families shattered.

According to statistics from the Federal Bureau of Investigation, 65 percent of all homicide cases in 1995 were solved by arrest or otherwise resolved.

Here are summaries of some local unsolved murder mysteries involving children.

Marilee Burt: Burt was walking home from a friend's house when she was murdered on Feb. 27, 1970. The 15-year-old was found strangled under a bridge on Deer Creek Canyon Road, southwest of Littleton. An autopsy report showed that she had been sexually assaulted and struck on the head by a blunt instrument.
Marilee, a member of the prominent Burt automobile family, had attended a middle school basketball game with her best friend when she decided to walk home from her friend's house. The best clue investigators uncovered was 10 feet of rope that apparently was used to strangle her.

Authorities thought they had a break in the case in 1981, when they briefly detained a man with a history of sexual assaults on girls. Ronald Bloom gave police a sample of his hair on May 31, 1981, so police could compare it with hair found in the rope at the crime scene.

Bloom was never charged with the crime and police have not come close to an arrest since.


Steven Wicks and Ronald DeFond: A passer-by driving in rural Adams County found the bodies of Steven and Ronald, two young boys kidnapped and murdered as they walked to buy ice cream at a grocery store in central Denver the afternoon of March 8, 1980.
Steven, 10, and Ronald, 7, left Ronald's home around 2:30 p.m. to walk about a block for ice cream at a grocery story on East Colfax Avenue and Williams Street. The bodies of the two boys were found about 90 minutes later, dumped along Tower Road south of East 56th Avenue.

Each had been shot once in the head. Both boys later died at Denver Health Medical Center, formerly Denver General Hospital.

Sheriff's investigators say their prime suspect in the case died several years ago. However, the case has not been officially closed.


Tracy Neef: How did 7-year-old Tracy Marie Neef vanish from her elementary school and end up dead a quarter-mile west of Barker Dam near Nederland? It's a homicide that has puzzled investigators since the morning of March 16, 1984.
That's when Tracy's mother dropped her first-grader off at Bertha Heid Elementary School in Thornton. But school officials reported that Tracy never attended school that day. Her body was found around 5 p.m. about 30 feet from a road off Boulder County 119.

Next to Tracy's body were her school supplies. Her mother didn't realize her daughter hadn't made it into the school building until she went to pick up Tracy from school.

Authorities ruled that the girl died between 10 a.m. and noon. The official cause of death was asphyxiation.


Jakeob McKnight: His parents reported him missing July 21, 1991, after he failed to return from playing with his brother and two friends at a swimming hole near the family home. Two days later, police found the body of Jakeob near an uprooted tree in the tall grass of the Bear Creek Greenbelt in metro Denver, about a mile from his family's south Lakewood home.
Police investigators targeted John Ramsey "Felix" Chinn immediately after the murder. Chinn reportedly admitted that he spent time with Jakeob and other boys in the greenbelt area, including swimming with them for 45 minutes. Following intense scrutiny of Chinn's background, though, he was never charged with the murder.

The 10-year-old was stabbed more than a dozen times in the attack. Jakeob was going to enter the fifth grade at Bear Creek Elementary. He had a passion for fishing.


Alie Berrelez: Berrelez was playing with her baby brother in front of her family's Englewood apartment complex when she was kidnapped May 18, 1993. For four days, police combed the metro area before Yogi, a common-looking bloodhound, led police to the girl's body near the mouth of Deer Creek Canyon.
Alie's body was concealed in a duffel bag and dumped into a ravine. Police questioned Nicholas R. Stofer as a possible suspect, but Stofer eventually was cleared from suspicion.

Out of her death came the Alie Foundation, an advocacy group that buys bloodhounds for police departments.


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29. "RE: Alie Berrelez"
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   http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_1983352,00.html


May 22, 2003

The only person ever named as a suspect in the kidnapping and slaying of Alie Berrelez died last year in Arizona.

Nicholas Randolph Stofer, 42, died in the Phoenix area, said Englewood Detective Bobbie Garrett, who became the lead investigator on the case about four years ago.

Englewood police asked officers in Arizona to go through Stofer's belongings after his death.

"There was not anything that we saw that he had that referred to Alie in any way," Garrett said.

Officially, police called Stofer "a person of interest" in their investigation into the 5-year-old girl's death.

Stofer once lived in the apartment complex where Alie lived with her mother and two brothers.

Stofer was a welder, and police found metal shavings in the duffel bag in which Alie's body was found.

Early in the investigation, Englewood police extradited Stofer from San Diego in a drunken-driving case. But the warrant made no reference to the Berrelez case.

Police sought murder charges against Stofer, but prosecutors concluded that there wasn't enough evidence to proceed. Stofer's lawyer has steadfastly asserted his client's innocence.


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30. "RE: Alie Berrelez"
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   Thanks for that summary Margoo. Years ago I was studying those missing/murdered children around that area and I developed theory based on astrology. My conclusion through the moon phases and locations at time missing was that they all relate to the same thing...lets say Celtic human sacrifice or witchcraft. JonBenet was, in my opinion, one of many, not a sole isolated case, even though many people feel it was so unique due to the garrote and found in the home, that it had to be not related.

There was recently an unidentified teenager found in a green canvas (duffel) bag in California.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2003/12/17/BAGN33OU9U1.DTL


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31. "RE: Alie Berrelez"
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   In the Jakeob McKnight case, I thought it was EXTREMELY coincidental that the prime suspect's first name was John and middle name was Ramsey. How very strange.


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32. "RE: Alie Berrelez"
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   The name Ramsey also comes up in the cases of Dru Sjodin (Ramsey County) and Chandra Levy (Washington DC Chief Ramsey). As wierd as it seems, you just have to write it off to coincidence...like Kristen Smart and kristen Modaferri. Kristen Smart and Elizabeth Smart. Laci Peterson and Michael Peterson etc.


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33. "RE: New Enquirer Story -- continued"
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   Here is what happened shortly before Helgoth's "suicide":

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Feb. 7, 1997

Contacts: Larry Wieda - 303-441-3327
Brad Harvey - 303-451-1146
Stacy Cornay - 303-651-6612

RAMSEY CASE NEWS RELEASE #24

BOULDER CRIME STOPPERS ANNOUNCE
$100,000 REWARD IN JONBENET RAMSEY

Boulder County Crime Stoppers officials announced today that a reward fund totaling the amount of $100,000 has been established for information leading to the arrest and indictment of the person or persons responsible for the murder of JonBonet Ramsey in December of 1996. Earlier reports stated that an award fund has been established by the Ramsey family in the amount of $50,000 and by a national publication in the in the amount of $50,000.

"This information is incorrect," notes Brad Harvey, co-chairman of the non-profit Crime Stoppers organization. "We have been working with the Ramsey family attorneys for the past several weeks as they worked to establish a foundation which will be responsible for the funds," he adds. The Crime Stoppers board of directors will direct the distribution of the funds and make any decisions concerning possible recipients.

The Crime Stoppers programs exist internationally and are designed to assist in solving difficult crimes. Due to the program's ability to take information anonymously, and provide rewards, the program has been very successful. The Ramsey family suggested using the program to assist with the apprehension of the person or persons responsible for the death of their daughter.

"Although this case is somewhat unusual, we hope to provide assistance that will lead to the eventual closure of the case," says Harvey. Individuals who have information that may be pertinent to the case should call the Crime Stoppers hotline at 1-800-444-3776. All callers remain anonymous.

Note: Officer Larry Wieda is the President of Crime Stoppers International. He is recognized world wide as an authority on the program. He is the coordinator of the Boulder County Crime Stoppers program.

-CITY-

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http://www.ci.boulder.co.us/comm/pressrelease/RAMSEY/pr970207.html


$100,000 is pretty close to the $118,000 that was unrealized.


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34. "Remember Ransom?"
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   When Mel Gibson went on TV offering a reward for information on his son's kidnappers? He put out the reward on the kidnapper's head and asked him who wouldn't turn him in for that? When the ante was upped, Sinese's girlfriend was going to turn him in, but Sinese killed her...likewise the others, and then made himself out to be the hero, and (almost) collected the reward.


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35. "RE: Remember Ransom?"
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   Thanks to Maikai for posting about Ransom. I've never seen it. I'm about as movie illiterate as anyone could possibly be, also fictional novel illiterate. So thanks (to all) for any assistance in those areas.

Speculation BEGIN:

To pull this speculative scheme off, any schemer would have to be pretty confident in himself/herself. He/she would have to create something that makes the "patsy" look suspicious, but not overly so (such that the bungling authorities figure it out on their own), then come along and fill in the pieces and collect the reward. It's important that the "patsy" not be around to contradict anything, so of course the "patsy" has to be sacrificed.

Whereas for a non-Ramsey case perpetrator and con artist, this merely creates income (and fame leading to more income), for the perpetrator in the Ramsey case, this has two benefits: Blames someone else for the crime and creates income. Even better: The money comes from the Ramseys themselves. Now that had to be attractive, didn't it?

The perpetrator has a competitive advantage over other schemers because he/she can create the most credible fake story, being fully informed on the details of the Ramsey murder. If the perpetrator goes for the reward, the fake scenario is going to be pretty darn credible once the pieces of the puzzle are all filled in. He should supply some things that the public doesn't know about but that the authorities can verify. And talk about "perfect crimes." We've discussed definitions of the perfect crime. How about this one: To be paid by the victims in full view of the public for blaming one's own horrific, infamous crime on someone else. Gosh, he must have been tempted....

Speculation END.

I'll say it before somebody else does: Maybe I do know something about fiction after all. :-)


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36. "54,000 dollar question"
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   Wasn't one of the items taken by Kenady from Helgoth's home a $54,000 check? I'm curious about this check. Was it an uncashed check? Canceled check? One he had made out to someone else but not yet delivered?


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