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"John Steven Gigax - thread 2"
 
   In the recent Mills/Tracey documentary, a court document relating to SX was shown - his name was blacked out. Good sleuthing by BORG Tricia - she researched the case number and birthdate shown in the screen capture and is reporting that "Mr. X is one John Steven Gigax".

I will give credit where credit is due and will say I am not sorry his name is out there.

Maybe someone who knows this man will look close at him, at the possibility that he could be a killer. (No one I know is accusing him, just saying he should be investigated.)

So the name is out - - there is no photo available. Working on just that - can someone help?

(BORG on another forum wrote - "Jameson is looking for his photo to post." That is not true. I am looking for good photos to share with investigators, not to post on the Internet.)

If anyone wants to get information in:

Mailing Address:
Boulder District Attorney
P.O. Box 471
Boulder, CO 80306

Physical Address:
Boulder District Attorney
Justice Center
1777 Sixth Street (Sixth St. and Canyon Blvd.)
Boulder, CO 80302

Boulder District Attorney - Longmont Office
Longmont Court House
1035 Kimbark Street
Longmont, CO 80501

Phone Numbers:
Voice: 303.441.3700
Boulder Fax: 303.441.4703
Longmont Fax: 303.682.6711
TDD/V: 303.441.4774

Internet:
E-mail
Boulder DA: boulder.da@co.boulder.co.us

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I am still taking information at jameson245@aol.com

I am still taking information by snail mail. Send to:

jameson
PO Box 5333
Hickory, NC 28603


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John Steven Gigax - thread 2 [View All] jamesonadmin 07-10-04 TOP
  RE: John Steven Gigax - thread 2 DonBradley 07-10-04 1
     RE: John Steven Gigax - thread 2 Rainsong 07-11-04 2
         RE: John Steven Gigax - thread 2 Margoo 07-13-04 3
             RE: John Steven Gigax - thread 2 Ashley 07-13-04 4
             RE: Margoo BraveHeart 07-13-04 5
             RE: John Steven Gigax - thread 2 Margoo 07-13-04 6
                 bump jamesonadmin 07-14-04 7
                     RE: bump Ashley 07-14-04 8
                         RE: bump jamesonadmin 07-14-04 9
                             RE: bump Ashley 07-14-04 10
                                 RE: bump jamesonadmin 07-15-04 11
                                     innocent and afraid Saluda 07-15-04 12
                                         RE: innocent and afraid Saluda 07-15-04 13
                                         RE: innocent and afraid jamesonadmin 07-15-04 14
                                             RE: innocent and afraid Saluda 07-15-04 15
                                             RE: innocent and afraid one_eyed_Jack 07-16-04 16
                                             RE: innocent and afraid jamesonadmin 07-16-04 17
                                             RE: innocent and afraid one_eyed_Jack 07-16-04 18
                                             RE: innocent and afraid jamesonadmin 07-16-04 19
                                             RE: innocent and afraid one_eyed_Jack 07-16-04 20
                                             Coming forward Saluda 07-19-04 21
                                             Ruling out Saluda 07-19-04 22

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DonBradley
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1. "RE: John Steven Gigax - thread 2"
In response to message #0
 
   Sorry, I screwed up... the continuation thread is:

SX either is or is not named ..."


That continutation thread already has several posts in it.


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2. "RE: John Steven Gigax - thread 2"
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   We've discussed whether or not the JSG in Indiana is the person designated in the Tracey documentary.

I have my doubts. While doing a search on the name, I found an article about a high school in Indiana. Seems one of the student broadcasters has the same name.

While the documentary stated JSG had been married, there is no mention of children. Given that the high school mentioned above is within close range of the address of the business, it stands to reason this young man is the son of the gentleman with the website.

Kenady says 'ex-wife' in the documentary. Given that JSG purportedly assaulted his 'ex-wife', what are the odds he would have custody of his son or be living in close proximity to his family?

Rainsong


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3. "RE: John Steven Gigax - thread 2"
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   I read the results of one poster's search for information on Gigax that said he was married May 22, 1996, two days before the assault 'with a deadly weapon' charge that ended with him serving 90 days (May 24/96 to Aug 22/96 - approx).

I think the web site we've been talking about is his. I think the phone number for him is NOT his (been changed and not updated on the web site). Or, at least HE is no longer at that number, but who is to say the owner of that phone number doesn't know his whereabouts?


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4. "RE: John Steven Gigax - thread 2"
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   I think the website is his too. I found info in Indiana for a John S Gigax. His phone number is unlisted.

If this is his website. What does it say about him.? Is he a racist? I've always wondered about that line in the rn: "We respect your business but not the Country that it serves".

What Country was he talking about?


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5. "RE: Margoo"
In response to message #3
 
   The website in question was updated earlier this month.

If the person who owns the web site is the real JSG,
and he makes his living by making that jewlry...excuse me, that nazi jewelry, you'd think he'd have updated that phone number while he was at it. Or, if, the person who answers the phone relays orders to the real JSG, and can honestly say they are not him, but they know where he is, as you speculate.

As there are three different addresses related to this web site and the JSG that owns it, I'd say it is the right one and he is moving around a lot. Without keeping his phone number current.

I did a traceroute on this web site and the email address...with "Sam Spade"...the route goes through two "fraudulent" and one "bogus" ISP server addresses...can anyone explain to me what that might mean? My assumption so far is that it means the owner of the web site has it set up on some servers whose addresses that are "shady", illegal or borrowed (by hackers? by porn servers?). But I don't really know. The last servers are located in Chicago (web page) and Indiana (email). Wonder out loud if this means there are ties between this fellow and other business ventures that are on the "dark side of the force".

The other link for this web page...the one through the Militaria ring...reminds me of someone who is familiar with tactics and countertactics...someone interested in ("soldier of fortune") military things.

And also, I'm reminded of the Ninja history and philosophy. They were birthed an effort to counter the power and influence of the upper classes of Japanese society. They were few in numbers so they had to act in secret and at night and use different tactics and weappons. Many today are enamored of their role as assasins. Someone INTO this life style might really see themselves as a FOREIGN faction.

Also makes me think of the MIKADO, Dave, the lord high executioner.



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6. "RE: John Steven Gigax - thread 2"
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   I suspected Bennett and Smit would be narrowing down the JBR file information and beginning to focus on a very good suspect or two, trying to come up with a way to get his DNA for comparison. That's exactly what appears to be happening.

There are so many VERY GOOD reasons to be considering Gigax a good suspect in this case.

PHYSICAL EVIDENCE
1. Owned wolf dogs; the hairs 'exactly match' the colors of the hairs found on JonBenét.
2. Hi-Tec boots
3. Fibers found on JonBenét believed to be black. "He always wore a black t-shirt, black pants, black boots".


INTANGIBLES
1. Predisposition -
-----a. aberrant sexual behavior (imprisoned in the 80's for a sexual assault on a child)
-----b. violent
-----c. controlling
-----d. risk taker
-----e. methodical, detail-oriented
2. Previous dealings with LE (resentment, references in RN)
3. A connection to the Ramseys' home (believed to have worked in the home before they moved in)
4. A possible connection to Boulder inmates who 'lunched' in the Ramsey home one month before the murder (as per J.T. Colfax)
5. A connection to Helgoth who has a very suspicious connection as well (BUT, whose DNA does NOT match the Ramsey case DNA)
-----a. owned wolf dogs
-----b. owned Hi-Tec boots (with brown material resembling the basement mold embedded in the logo)
-----c. owned stun guns
-----d. had an infatuation with young girls (said he didn't trust himself with his girlfriend's daughter; a potential pedophile)
-----e. owned video with a Santa movie interrupted part way through with a recording of the Alie Berrelez (age 5) abduction and murder news coverage and other video with numerous images of children on them.
-----f. collected Barbie dolls
-----g. suspicious timing of death - one day following Alex Hunter's unnerving press conference vowing to make the killer pay (Valentine's day, 1997 -- heart on hand; significance to Helgoth?)
-----h. suspicious circumstances of death (murder or suicide)
-----i. enjoyed stalking (Kenady's story of being watched by Helgoth)
6. Both Gigax and Helgoth were into martial arts; black ninja clothing; possibly the Midnight Burglar, stalking for the thrill of it (not taking much of value), stopped after the murder; similarity of molester of 12 year old in her room "dressed like a ninja" (high risk, thrill of crime while residents sleep)

REASONS TO DOUBT HELGOTH DEATH A SUICIDE
1. a pillow used to muffle the shot when he was home alone - why?
2. position of pistol - found on Helgoth's right - together with the trajectory of the bullet - left to right, front to back; improbable Helgoth could have held the gun in the right position to create that trajectory



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7. "bump"
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   I am bumping this thread as I hope John Gigax will read it soon. he wrote to me and explained that he didn't know what the importance of a stun gun was - or wolfdog hairs - in the Ramsey case. I pointed him to a transcript of the Tracey documentary and to a few threads - - this is a good one to share.

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Elsewhere Tricia Griffith is posting that she did not "out" Gigax as the unnamed person of interest in the documentary. What grbage is that? She posted that she had seen the documentary and would be posting a bombshell - - then she followed up with the name that tracey had blacked out in his program. She certainly was the person who made Gigax' name public.

I am not one to put a person's name in the public eye. Once it is out I feel obligated to let posters here know, no denying that, After all, this discussion group discusses all the news and if a name is made public that is case news.

Oliva was a name I knew - I didn't post it until he was part of the CBS program, 48 Hours. I didn't post helgoth's name until it was madepublic elsewhere. I didn't publish Gigax' name - neither did Tracey. Tricia Griffith did. She is totally responsible for that.


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8. "RE: bump"
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   How was this Tricia nut able to view the documentary?


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9. "RE: bump"
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   Jayelles lives in Scotland - she taped the doc and made a copy, had that converted so Tricia could watch it on her VCR.

I got a copy from Michael Tracey. He does not want tons of copies out there and I am respecting that. Some media got copies as well - Charlie Brennan and Catherine Crier, for example.

But the hope is that the tape will be aired in the states - - an updated version.


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10. "RE: bump"
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   That explains it, thanks.

Does Mr. Gigax understand why he could be suspicious to some? I hope he's not angry about it. I would imagine he's bewildered and afraid.

But if had nothing to do with it, then he dosen't need to be afraid of anything.


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11. "RE: bump"
In response to message #10
 
   I think Gigax was surprised to have his name brought into this after so many years and no call from authorities, investigators or journalists. Personally, I am a bit upset to think he was never contacted before this - - I don't think that was right. But no one asked me what I thought.

I am not offended by the program, however, because it showed one of several GOOD leads that needed - - and still need - to be investigated. If programs like this can keep the investigation going, keep it in the public eye, keep people discussing the evidence and correcting misinformation that is out there.... if programs like this help clear innocent people who come forward to clear their names , they are well worth the effort and expense.

I don't applaud Tricia's action - - she had no good reason to post Gigax' name. She clearly didn't do the homework a responsible person would have done first. She jumped into it - largely to hurt Tracey - and never contacted the investigators to see if they had a reason for her NOT to release the name.

But she did what she did - and now we move on and deal with it.

The documentary will be edited and aired in the US - - same as it would have been if Tricia had NOT posted the name. The discussion will go one and some of us will continue our honest efforts to get to the truth.


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12. "innocent and afraid"
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   "...But if had nothing to do with it, then he dosen't need to be afraid of anything."

Ashley, I don't agree, because of what happened to John, Patsy and Burke Ramsey. And then there are the likes of Tricia, who in essence asks for evidence of Ramsey innocence beyond a reasonable doubt - before she will acknowledge that the Ramseys are innocent...


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13. "RE: innocent and afraid"
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   specifically, Tricia posted:

"I have always said, if it is proven to me beyond a resonable doubt, that the Ramseys are innocent, I will be the first one to say so."


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14. "RE: innocent and afraid"
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   SX doesn't seem to be afraid of talking to authorities - but he does seem unhappy that he might exposed at work, there could be a problem there. I would imagine his coworkers are not aware to his entire history and he would prefer to keep it that way. Can't say I blame him.

Tricia's sleuthing and reporting - and that done by others in the spirit of supporting Tricia - - that could cause problems for him - - problems that will NOT be caused by the documentary Tracey put out. I mean, look at what they are doing - emailing and calling people. Looking to "help" SX in an impossible lawsuit against Tracey. It is really quite scary that people can do that. Have they no conscience?


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15. "RE: innocent and afraid"
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   "SX doesn't seem to be afraid of talking to authorities - but he does seem unhappy that he might exposed at work, there could be a problem there. I would imagine his coworkers are not aware to his entire history and he would prefer to keep it that way. Can't say I blame him."

jameson,
That's right, and no one is blaming SX if he is unhappy about the prospect of coworkers becoming aware of his entire history. But it is simply unrealistic, if he were to think this information will not get passed around among and to people he works with and to people having the surname Gigax.

Many persons who have the rare Gigax surname are, as is evidenced on the web, productive, contributing members of society, known locally and in some cases well beyond their locales.

It even seems that Gary Gygax, inventor of D&D, if I have this right, because I know nothing about D&D, claims that Gigax is one variant of Gygax, the original Swiss name.

Up until now, we only knew that SX had a web site, that you confirmed the report that the web site was his, where Nazi jewelry is/was sold. So that doesn't seem to be a job with "co-workers," but perhaps it could be. Then there's the problem of multiple addresses and phone numbers and such, at least a couple of which, if not more, are dubious and/or bogus.

I'm still guessing that relatives of his, responsible people, are, if not actually involved in his coming forward, are a motivation for his coming forward.

All it would take would be for a web-surfer to come upon a thread about JSG, recognize the name, and call his friend Mr. or Ms. Gigax to inquire. I think the word would travel fast after that, especially in or to Indiana.


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16. "RE: innocent and afraid"
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   See, this is what I was talking about. This could have been handled much more discreetly. It sounds like JSG would like to help by posting, and I hope he does. The one possible good thing about it is he may have to hire a crew, now, to help him with his own business. There are a lot of people interested in WWII German militaria.

At this point, I have to presume he is innocent and that there is a possibility he may be able to help. I'm thinking the media is not going to want to touch this for fear of being sued, and, as far as I know, no one knows where he works. He will be posting under an assumed name and the topic has nothing to do with where he lives now or what he is doing now. It is about what he can say about Helgoth's doings or whatever it is he feels is relevant for happennings in Boulder several years ago.


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17. "RE: innocent and afraid"
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   Media is wondering what to do with this one - - I know as I have spoken to a few. They called me, I did not call them. While they would never have been the first to out his name, now that his name is out - - thanks to Tricia - - they have some choices to make.

I expect, but don't know for a fact, that they will try to get in touch with SX directly to see if he has anything to say.



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18. "RE: innocent and afraid"
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   I have this sinking feeling he will not be posting any time soon. I hope he does. I was looking forward to it.


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19. "RE: innocent and afraid"
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   If he is innocent and speaks to Lou and Tom and they assure him they are removing him from the list of people they are interested in speaking to, he will know he has nothing to fear from posting.

According to him, he is innocent and once he feels he is no longer a "person of interest" he wants to help. While talking to the investigators is important and helpful, I think we can all vouch that being part of an ongoing discussion really does keep us on top of things, makes us think of new angles all the time.

Beyond that, truth be told, he may find himself looking forward to posting on the forum, telling how he feels about being suspected of such a heinous crime. He will be able to let off a bit of steam in a very public way and sometimes that helps.


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20. "RE: innocent and afraid"
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   Well, we're not here to make his life tough or pass judgement. Until I see an official document showing a connection to the Ramsey crime, I'm presuming he is innocent and will show him the same courtesy I would to any other posters. Michael Helgoth has been a person of interest for years, and I'm sure we all have a ton of questions.


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21. "Coming forward"
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   I'm waiting for word that Mr. Gigax has presented himself to LE, as he told jameson he would. But I'm not holding my breath.

That Mr. Gigax sounded rational, sincere, whatever when jameson talked with him - well what's needed is that Mr. Gigax get himself ruled out as having anything to do with the murder of JonBenet Ramsey.

More thoughts - next post.


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22. "Ruling out"
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   One thing I don't understand about this investigation is why the DA's office at this point cannot rule people out, based on DNA.

Is it the backlog in the CODIS system? If so, then I think DA Keenan should just issue a statement that the reason people (all these dozens of potential suspects) have not been ruled out based on DNA, is because of a backlog - where? - in CBI? - in CODIS? where?

So many people have been left in limbo as "suspects on the internet forums", and DA Keenan sort-of let John and Patsy Ramsy go out in the rain (not under the umbrella) after the ruling of Judge Julie Carnes.

Then there are other people who supposedly have a solid alibi (JT Colfax comes to mind) - has he been ruled out by DNA? A "solid" alibi can be created by a lie or lies. Who said his alibi was solid? On what basis? He surely was not in the home of jameson or Lou. I know jameson probably cannot/will not reveal the basis for the thinking that JT Colfax has a solid alibi, unless he was in the hospital (and even that should be investigated, imo), or in jail.

In the beginning, the case was closed to the public except for the extraordinary and wrong leakage to the press (sewage type leakage) to try, convict, and hang John and Patsy Ramsy in the media and court of public ignorance.

Now, the DA's office is in the mode of total silence, and there is no evidence that anything is happening there. The only hope we have - "we" meaning those wanting and praying for justice for JonBenet - is that Lou Smit is there now in the DA's office, and I can't imagine that he would be there for any reason other than his working for justice for JonBenet.


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