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Margoo
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12-19-04, 11:09 AM (EST)
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"Back to the Helgoth Autopsy"
 
   The Autopsy:

07-26-04, 09:42 PM (EST)

"Helgoth's autopsy - details"

The Autopsy
Age 26
Sex M
Death D/T 02/14/97 @2230
autopsy D/T 2/15/97 @ 1220

Final Diagnosis:

I. Single gunshot wound to chest
A. Entrance wound: Central chest, between the 2nd and 3rd ribs, immediately to the left of
the sternum
B. Exit wound: Back, 8 cm to right of vertebral column, between ribs 8 and 9
C. Trajectory path; Anterior to posterior, superior to inferior, left to right
D. Perforations of:
1. left anterior chest wall
2. right upper lobe
a. pulmonary hemmorrhage, extensive
3. Anterior pericardial sac
4. Right auricle
a. Hemothorax, right, 1350cc
5. Posterior pericardial sac
6. right posterior chest wall
E. Congestion; Renal, adrenal, pulmonary and CNS

II Mild fatty metamorphosis, hepatic

Toxicologic studies: A sample of postmortem urine was positive for benzodiazepines and
propoxyphene.

Clinicopathologic Correlation: Death in this 26-year-old male is secondary to a single wound
to the chest.

Page 2
External exam - autopsy noted that there were paper bags on his hands and went on...

"The decedent is wearing a black t-shirt labeled "Morning Person Not". In the "R" of morning there is a 6 mm in diameter defect surrounded by some blood stains. After the shirt is removed, the back is examined revealing a 10 x 7 mm defect in the back along with a second 3 mm in length laceration immediately adjacent to this defect. A copper-colored metallic fragmentcna be seen partially protruding from this defect. The defect is enlarged and the metallic fragment is removed. A circular portion on one side appears relatively unscathed and measures about 9mm in diameter. The opposite side is folded back upon itself with the size of the cylinder somewhat filleted. The length is about 9 mm and the overall dimentions are 22x14x13 mm. The legs are covered in grey sweatpants and the feet by white socks. Under the sweatpants
is a pair of purple and yellow boxer shorts.

Head: The head is covered by short blond hair in a normal distribution. Eyes blue-gray, sclerae
white, no petechiae. Blood from left nostril and left side of mouth. Teeth in moderate repair. pierced
tongue - silver post with ball cap. Neck normal.

Tatoos -
left chest - woman with two wolves
right outer arm - Grim Reaper labeled "NEXT?"
left outer arm - skeleton climbing arm - bloody extremities.

abdomen, flat, no scars
genitalia are normal male circumsized
back unremarkable

Extremities - unremarkable - other than some bloody material on left palm there is, "no significant
blood spattering noted."

Internal exam:
chest cavity filled with blood - - I won't restate the path of the bullet - it is on first page...

Thyroid: the thyroid is of usual size and position and weighs 20 gm. Cut sections show a
beefy parenchyma with no nodules.

Heart - -unremarkable except for the defect previously described

Lungs - - described wound, hemmorrage and congestion - otherwise unremarkable

Liver, gallbladder, spleen, pancreas, adrenal glands, kidney, bladder, prostrate, esophogus, stomach,
intestines, appendix and colon are ALL noted as "unremarkable"

Brain: Sections are unremarkable except for congestion.

Microscopic Description:
Entrance wound: A section of skin from the chest shows one margin to exhibit coagulative
necrosis and deposition of black sooty material on the surface. A small amount of similar
oreign material is noted in the deeper dermal elements.



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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Diagram Margoo 12-19-04 1
     GSW to thoracic cavity? DonBradley 12-19-04 2
         RE: GSW to thoracic cavity? Evening2 12-19-04 5
     RE: Diagram Margoo 12-19-04 3
         RE: Diagram Margoo 12-19-04 4
             RE: Diagram Margoo 12-19-04 6
                 RE: Diagram jamesonadmin 12-19-04 7
                     Toxicology Results Maikai 12-19-04 8
                         RE: Toxicology Results jamesonadmin 07-21-06 9
                             RE: Toxicology Results Dave 07-21-06 10
                                 RE: Toxicology Results one_eyed_Jack 07-21-06 11
                                     RE: Toxicology Results Dave 07-21-06 12
                                         RE: Toxicology Results AntiK 07-22-06 13
                                             RE: Toxicology Results Dave 07-22-06 14
                                             RE: Error Evening2 07-22-06 15

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Margoo
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12-19-04, 11:11 AM (EST)
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1. "RE: Diagram"
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DonBradley
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2. "GSW to thoracic cavity?"
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   I've heard of suicide by swallowing the bullet and blowing the brains out but unless its a shotgun how many people try to put a slug into their own chest?

Was he aiming for his heart?

Image of shirt on the program did not match the description of the trajectory but I may have been looking at the wrong part of the screen.

And yet the pistol and gun-hand were each on the right side of the body?

Strange, but technically possible.


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Evening2
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12-19-04, 12:07 PM (EST)
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5. "RE: GSW to thoracic cavity?"
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   Don, there was also blood on his left palm. Does that seem at all strange to you?


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Margoo
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12-19-04, 11:52 AM (EST)
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3. "RE: Diagram"
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   The autopsy says Helgoth shot himself at approximately #2-#3 on the left anterior (front) side and that it exited at approximately #8-#9 on the right posterior (back) side.

The Tracey documentary showed a hole in the t-shirt at approximately #8 on the left anterior side. They say that is the entry wound. For those of you with this on tape, look at the "r" in "Morning". Do you see a hole?


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Margoo
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4. "RE: Diagram"
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   The autopsy makes shooting oneself with the right hand easier to accept. The autopsy does suggest he was shooting near the heart.

The photo from the Tracey doc makes it much more difficult. To shoot nearer rib #8 makes no sense and is much more difficult to accomplish (stretching the right arm fully across).


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Margoo
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6. "RE: Diagram"
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   "The decedent is wearing a black t-shirt labeled "Morning Person Not". In the "R" of morning there is a 6 mm in diameter defect surrounded by some blood stains.

The "R" in morning is just RIGHT of center (not left).

It's not adding up.


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jamesonadmin
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12-19-04, 04:13 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Diagram"
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   Many people believe Helgoth was murdered so he wouldn't rat on the killer, some think he may have been the killer's accomplice.


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Maikai
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12-19-04, 06:39 PM (EST)
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8. "Toxicology Results"
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   "Toxicologic studies: A sample of postmortem urine was positive for benzodiazepines and propoxyphene."

I wonder if they tested the levels in the blood--if someone murdered him, he may have plied him with drugs, so he'd pass out...and then shot him.


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jamesonadmin
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07-21-06, 09:28 AM (EST)
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9. "RE: Toxicology Results"
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   bump

Doesn't look like suicide to me!


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Dave
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10. "RE: Toxicology Results"
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   I agree.

We should always keep in mind that Helgoth was shot through the heart on Valentine's Day. This is the kind of irony that sick people like the Ramsey perpetrator think is so cute.


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11. "RE: Toxicology Results"
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   Why would he shoot himself through a pillow? According to Kenady, Michael openly fired weapons on his property, so I don't know why he would be trying to muffle the sound of a shot.


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Dave
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07-21-06, 10:01 PM (EST)
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12. "RE: Toxicology Results"
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   The pillow doesn't make much sense at all for a suicide.

If it was a homicide, and the shooter was planning on shooting Helgoth through the heart, then the shooter may have known that there would be a good possibility of backspattering, therefore used the pillow to deflect or absorb it instead of getting it on him/herself. If so, this is foresight and some degree of forensic awareness. Not everyone would think of something like this.


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13. "RE: Toxicology Results"
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   LAST EDITED ON 07-22-06 AT 02:56 AM (EST)
 
I had a friend, a co-worker, that committed suicide. He went to his room, made the bed, layed down on top of the blankets, placed a pillow over his chest and shot himself. Wife and family were at home, downstairs. I can still remember getting the phone call. people later explained it by saying he didn’t want to disturb anyone, didn’t want to make a mess.

his name was John. i still remember him.

edited to add: just remembered, it was a 'spare' or guest bedroom that he used


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Dave
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14. "RE: Toxicology Results"
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   We have been told that no one was around to hear the shot in the case of the Helgoth suicide. That's why it doesn't make any sense.


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15. "RE: Error"
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   LAST EDITED ON 07-22-06 AT 09:23 PM (EST)
 
wrong thread


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