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"Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
 
   LAST EDITED ON 10-31-06 AT 09:22 AM (EST)
 
Since my books are stored I unable to quickly find quotes and statements. THIS IS A VERY ROUGH DRAFT, I HAVE ONLY INCLUDED A FEW TO GET US STARTED!!! Please pitch in with dates and events...AND, comments regarding the White's and please include the dates and links if available

Fleet & Priscilla White Timeline
Background…

Missing Innocence: The JonBenet Ramsey Case

http://bardachreports.com/articles/v_19971000.html
"The Ramsey's, with JonBenet and their son, Burke, had Christmas dinnerat the home of their best friends, Priscilla and Fleet White Jr., a mile or so away. After Ramsey had moved his computer company from Atlanta, to Boulder, in 1991, the Whites and the Ramsey's found they had much in common. Fleet White was also a successful tycoon, in the oil business. Both couples enjoyed sailing and had six yr. old girls with older brothers. Neither Patsy nor Priscilla worked, but both were committed volunteers. When John Ramsey and decided to throw his wife a surprise 40th birthday party a month earlier, on Nov.30, he turned to Priscilla to organize the event at the swank Brown Palace in Denver.

According to police reports, the Ramseys arrived home from the Whites' about 10 p.m. At 5:55 A.M. the Whites were awakened by John Ramsey, who told them to hurry right over. By 6:20 the Whites were there, joined by other friends, John and Barbara Fernie, and later by the Ramseys' minister, Father Rol Hoverstock." (Vanity Fair Article 1997)

Note: While Bardach referred to White as an "successful tycoon", John Ramsey described White's job situation in Death of Innocence, page 294,
John explains in DOI about how "newspapers would refer to Fleet as an oil magnate. His Father, FW Sr, was reported to have had a natural gas drilling company in California. He may have worked for his dad for a period of time before coming to Colorado, but as far as I know, Fleet did not work at a steady job during the time I knew him in Boulder..."

December 23
Fleet and Priscilla attend the Ramsey's Christmas party. Fleet called 911, he claims by mistake, during the party.
From the Ramsey Book, Death Of Innocence, page 97: Patsy wrote:

"During the party Fleet White used our phone to make a series of calls, trying to get some medicine to his mother in a hospital in Aspen, Colorado. Apparently he dialed wrong and got 911. The Police called back, but after checking with Fleet and the rest of the people at the house, Susan Stine informed them that the call was a mistake. The 911 call still remains somewhat of a mystery."

December 25
4:30 - 9:00pm
The Ramsey's attend Christmas dinner at the Whites. Fleet and John play with jewelry on the floor with JonBenet and Daphne. They return home and JonBenet is carried to bed around 9:30pm.

Sometime before dawn, JonBenet is killed; her skull is fractured, she is strangled with a cord, duct tape is put over her mouth, and her body is placed downstairs in a small windowless room in the basement. She is wrapped in a blanket, with the ligature still around her neck and her arms above her head.

December 26

5:52am
Patsy Ramsey calls the police pleading with the police to "send help". She also calls friends the Whites and the Fernies.

6:20am
Fleet White arrives at the Ramsey house after a call from the Ramsey's that Jonbenet is missing. DOI, pg 12

6:00-7:00am
Fleet White reportedly opened the door to the wine cellar and did not see anything. He did not turn on the light.(Need source for time)

7 a.m.
The Ramseys' pastor, Rev. Rol Hoverstock, arrived. John Fernie and Fleet White went to Burke's room and woke him up. They then proceeded to take him to the Fernie's, where they picked up the Fernie's children and then dropped all the children off at the White's.

1 p.m.
Detective Arndt asked John Ramsey and Fleet White to check the interior of the home. They started in the basement.

1:05 p.m.
John Ramsey, JonBenet's father, and Fleet White, a family friend, discover Jonbenet's body in the basement after police recommend they search the home. John Ramsey removes the tape from her mouth and carries her upstairs in outstretched arms, where he lay her on the floor at the top of the stairs and requests a blanket from the couch to cover her.

***Fleet White returned to the basement alone after they found JonBenet's body and picked up the tape that had covered her mouth and put it back down. NEED TIME & SOURCE FOR WHITE'S RETURN TO THE BASEMENT...

2:00 p.m.
As the Ramseys are leaving their home after the body was discovered and the property is declared a crime scene, John Andrew, Melinda and Stewart Long (Melinda's fiance arrive in front of the house.

Evening
The Ramsey's moved to the Fernies home in South Boulder. Friend Pam Griffin describes White's demeanor that evening:
Presumed Guilty, author Stephen Singular Page 99-102

I once asked Griffin if she remembered anything more than what she had already told me about her visit to Patsy on the day after JonBenét's body was discovered. She said that the most visible and forceful person at the Fernies' home that day was not John Ramsey, but Fleet White, John's best friend before the murder.

"White was everywhere," she told me. "Ordering everyone around. Telling people what to do and not to do. Giving me the creeps. He didn't want me to be alone with Patsy. Didn't want me in the bedroom with her. Didn't want me talking to her as she was falling asleep. He didn't even want me to help her drink water to keep her from getting dehydrated. I was trying to assist my friend and couldn't understand why he was acting this way. Someone finally had to tell him to back off, so he took a hike and disappeared.

According to Griffin, White behaved similarly at JonBenét's memorial service at St. John's Episcopal Church the following Sunday, Patsy's fortieth birthday."

December 27:
Missing girl found dead / Six-year-old was reported kidnapped earlier in day
http://www.thedailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/1996/12/27-1.html

The Boulder County coroner reported that an autopsy revealed the cause of death was asphyxia due to strangulation, and her death was ruled a homicide.

December 29

A memorial service is held for JonBenet at St. John's Episcopal Church in Boulder.

December 30
Death of Innocence & Vanity Fair
Later that day we left the Jefferson County Airport, south of Boulder, where Lockheed Martin made a corporate jet available to us for our trip to Atlanta. This was the first of many acts of kindness from this company that had purchased Access Graphics. ...

Our good friend Mike Archuleta volunteered to fly his airplane to take the overflow of our friends to Atlanta. ... Among those who went there to comfort the Ramseys that first week were Fleet and Priscilla White.

John Ramsey said the following about the White's transportation to Atlanta:

13 Q. Also, I think much has been made about the
14 Whites traveling to Atlanta on the company plane that was
15 made available, but not traveling back on the company
16 plane. And I'm wondering if you could better inform me
17 about that?
18 A. I don't think Fleet was on the plane going out
19 to Atlanta. I don't remember if Priscilla was or not. I
20 remember that Fleet was not. That, I know for sure.
21 Q. He came down some other way to Atlanta?
22 A. Right.
23 Q. So it's your testimony that there was no heated
24 disagreement between you and the White family during that
25 time span?

John Ramsey's deposition from Oct. 20, 1998/Stephen Miles case


December 31
JonBenet is buried at a cemetary in Marietta, Georgia, her birthplace, next to her half-sister Elizabeth, who had been killed at age 22 in a car accident in 1992.

During stay in Atlanta:

Fleet White phoned the Paugh house and said he wanted to come by and speak with John. When the Whites arrived, they were led into the sunroom, where Ramsey, his brother Jeff, and Don Paugh were waiting. According to an insider, Ramsey sat down next to Priscilla and began to pat her arm as if to calm her down as her husband pelted him with questions: "Why do you need all these attorneys? Why aren't you cooperating with the police?" His distress mounting, he declared, "I don't understand what you are doing." Priscilla later told friends that she had told John that going on CNN was a big mistake.

Nedra would later tell police that White was "a wild man and a lunatic." Ramsey would inform friends that "the worm had turned." According to a D.A. source, Ramsey told his lawyers and the D.A. that he regarded Fleet White, whom he had often identified as his best friend, as a prime suspect in JonBenet's murder.

Pam Griffin, in describing Fleet White said, "This man has a dark side," she told me over the phone. Pressed to explain how Fleet White could have possibly killed JonBenet, she said, "I don't think Fleet White with his two hands murdered that child. I just think he knows something."

DA Alex Hunter's comments about the incident, Presumed Guilty, Stephen Singular:
Hunter said that John Ramsey and White had gotten into a bad argument in Georgia, when they had taken JonBenét there for the burial. The altercation - unreported in the media - had become so heated, the D.A. continued, that the police had to be called in.

"The cops stayed at the house," Hunter said, "for about six hours."
"Six hours?"
"Six hours."
"That's a very long time."
"Yes, it is."
I asked what they were fighting about.
"The Ramseys have never said. White has told us that it was because he wanted John Ramsey to cooperate more with the authorities and Ramsey said no."
"Why was White so concerned about that?"
"I don't know."
"Do you believe White?"
The D.A. hesitated, and then said, "I've met the man and he made me very uncomfortable. He's six-foot-four, with big shoulders and huge hands. An iron grip. He just gave me a feeling. We know one thing for sure. The Ramseys and the Whites stopped being friends after the trip to Georgia. That's strange, because they used to go sailing together and had been very close. They'd socialized a lot in the past and the Ramseys had gone over to their home on Christmas night. Both families had young daughters the same age. We've heard that Daphne White was JonBenét's best friend."

"Has anyone talked to Daphne?"

"Social Services has, but I'm not satisfied with what they've done."

1997

January 1
John and Patsy Ramsey appear in an interview on CNN and state that they are not the killers and that "there is a killer on the loose." They also say that they have hired their own investigators (Ellis Armistead and David Williams) and were offering a $50,000 reward for information on the killer.

Boulder detectives go to Georgia to interview relatives, friends, and associates of the family.

January 2
It is reported that JonBenet had been sexually assaulted.

January 10
It is reported that the 911 call made during the Ramsey's party three days before the murder was not an emergency, but an accidentally made call by a guest at the party, that was later reported to have been Fleet White.

December 18:
Fleet White urged Gov. Romer to remove Alex Hunter from the case and appoint a special prosecutor. LINK NEEDED

1998

January 7
The governor informed Fleet White that he would not interfere in the case.LINK NEEDED & MORE DETAILS

January 16
The Daily Camera publishes a letter from former Ramsey friends Fleet and Priscilla White to Gov. Roy Romer. It demands a special prosecutor be named to the Ramsey case. The governor stands by District Attorney Alex Hunter and declines to act on the request.
• 01/16/98: Romer should remove D.A. from Ramsey case
• 01/16/98: Romer rejects friends' request to replace Hunter

April 6
Fleet White wrote a letter to the president of the University of Colorado. LINK NEEDED & MORE DETAILS

May 14:
Fleet White sent a letter to the Boulder city manager complaining about the case.
LINK NEEDED & MORE DETAILS

June 23
PATSY DESCRIBES CONCERNS ABOUT FLEET & PRISCILLA
http://timelinewhite.pbwiki.com/Timeline
Excerpts from Patsy Ramsey interview with BPD, June 23, 1998
Patsy Ramsey interview with BPD, June 23, 1998 (full transcript)
http://jonbenetramsey.pbwiki.com/Legal%20Documents

b]August 17
Former Ramsey friend Fleet White writes a second letter to Gov. Roy Romer, asking for a special prosecutor in the Ramsey case.
08/20/98: Ramsey friend again calls for prosecutor
http://www.bouldernews.com/extra/ramsey/1998/620fleet.html
August 20:
Fleet White's Letter to the People of Colorado
http://www.bouldernews.com/extra/ramsey/1998/fleetletter.html
08/21/98
Phillips wants special prosecutor
http://www.bouldernews.com/extra/ramsey/1998/21ramssi.html

August 24
Fleet White's Letter to the Editor

September 1:
Fleet White letter read to Boulder City Council.

September 17
City of Boulder Letter to Fleet White

December 28
From Peter Boyles Show,
Jeff Rutledge, writer for Penthouse, states that Dan Glick tried to get him to pursue Fleet White as a suspect

1999

PRESUMED GUILTY PUBLISHED
Quotes about Fleet & Priscilla White
http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID61/2369.html

January 17:
Fleet White wrote a letter to the Board of Regents.
February 26:
Whites call book pack of lies
Daily Camera
http://www.bouldernews.com/extra/ramsey/1999/26crams.html

March 14
Ramseys: Killer may be familiar with family
Pair urges search of 'inner circle'
John and Patsy Ramsey suggested that police look to their "inner circle" to find their daughter's killer, perhaps someone who was familiar with the family and may be a pedophile, according to transcripts of an interview released Monday.
Full Story
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0314jbox2.shtml


2000

February 25
DA pursues new Ramsey lead
Hunter asks police to investigate woman's story of sex abuse

February 26

Charges shed new ligh
Daily Times-Call

BOULDER — A California woman's allegations of childhood sexual abuse at holiday parties have turned the JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation upside down, and the woman's credibility could determine the future of the case. FULL STORY
http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/storyDetail00.asp?ID=26

February 27

Therapist backs client who claims to have JonBenet murder information
SAN LUIS OBISPO, Calif. -- A private therapist said Friday that she stands behind her client who claims to have crucial information to help investigators of the death of JonBenet Ramsey.
Full Story
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0227mary2.shtml

March 3
Sex abuse claims being taken seriously
http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/storyDetail00.asp?ID=26

March 7
Accused molester was Ramsey family friend
http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/storyDetail00.asp?ID=28

May 16JonBenet investigation finds no child sex ring
Police investigating slaying checked out theory put forward by California woman
BOULDER — Police said Monday they have found no evidence to support a California woman's theory that JonBenet Ramsey was killed by a child sex ring.
Full Story
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0516rams1.shtml

August 2
Boulder Police Report on Fleet White Criminal Complaint

August 1:
Fleet and Priscilla White file criminal libel suit.

August 10:
Several news organizations and journalists are targets of a Boulder police investigation into whether they criminally libeled Ramsey murder case witness Fleet White. Denver lawyer Tom Kelley, a specialist in libel and other First Amendment issues, said Friday the criminal libel statute has never been used against a news organization or journalist.

Criminal-libel inquiry targets journalists in Ramsey case"
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0826libe3.shtml

September 6
Criminal libel being reviewed over Ramsey coverage
Boulder Daily Camera
A Boulder County district judge has appointed a Pueblo prosecutor to review a case that alleges criminal libel by news media covering the unsolved slaying of JonBenet Ramsey.
Full Story
http://denver.rockymountainnews.com/extra/ramsey/0906spec1.shtml

b]November 14:
Fleet White wrote a letter to the editor endorsing Dave Sanderson for DA.

November 19

Fleet & Priscilla White Letter to CU Board of Regents
http://thewebsafe.tripod.com/11171999whitetoboardregents.htm


2001

April 21:
Fleet White asked the Colorado Court of Appeals to overturn an order that ended an investigation in which he sought criminal charges against journalists who wrote stories mentioning him in the JonBenet Ramsey slaying.

May 5:

Lawyer to stand trial
GOLDEN — A Jefferson County district judge has refused to throw out criminal charges against a Boulder lawyer accused of trying to buy the JonBenét Ramsey ransom note.
http://www.thedailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2000/05lwhite.html

May 26
Former Ramsey Friend May Be Jailed
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/841487/detail.html

June 29:

Former Ramsey friend Fleet White Jr. charged with contempt of court for ignoring two subpoenas in a criminal case related to the JonBenét Ramsey homicide.

Bench Warrant for Contempt of Court
Hearing re-scheduled for Thursday July 19, 2001

Fleet Russell White, Jr, 52 of Boulder, Colorado received a subpeona to testify at the trial attorney Thomas Miller on Wednesday, June 13, 2001. Thomas Miller was charged by a grand jury with commercial bribery for accompanying Globe tabloid editor, Craig Lewis to offer money for the ransom note in the Ramsey case.

Fleet White did not appear for the trial. District Judge Jane Tidball had charged White with contempt of court and issued a bench warrant. A jury acquitted Miller on the bribery charge on Thursday, June 14, 2001, but Judge Tidball said Miller might have appealed a conviction based on White's failure to show up at his trial.

On Monday, June 18, 2001 Fleet White was arrested on contempt of court charges when he showed up at the Jefferson County courthouse to inquire about a warrant that had been issued for him. White was processed into the Jefferson County jail, then released to his wife, Priscilla, who posted the $1,000 bond.

A hearing was re-scheduled for Monday, June 25, 2001 so White could obtain an attorney. White appeared without a lawyer and asked to read a statement,

"I have respect for this court," White began. "In this case, however, I did not have so much respect for this case in which I'd been subpoenaed." He said avoiding testimony in the Miller trial was "in the best interest of the ongoing JonBenet Ramsey investigation, the best interest of the Colorado justice system and, most importantly, the best interests of my family."

Friday, June 29th was Fleet White's hearing extension where he appeared with his lawyer, Craig Truman. A Jefferson County judge formally charged Fleet White with contempt of court after White ignored two subpoenas in a criminal case. A new scheduled hearing was then set for Thursday, July 19, 2001.

August 24:
An additional letter is sent by Fleet White to the press.
In a letter to "the people of Colorado," Fleet White raises questions about Lt. Gov. Gail Schoettler's relationship with John and Patsy Ramsey.
• 08/25/98: Fleet White claims bias in Ramsey case
http://www.bouldernews.com/extra/ramsey/1998/82598rams.html
• 08/20/98: Fleet White's letter

Oct. 25:
Former Ramsey friend Fleet White Jr. is sentenced to 30 days in jail for ignoring subpoenas in connection with a case related to the JonBenét Ramsey homicide.
Fleet White Comtempt Hearing . 2002-01-11 (T) Fleet White Deposition (Atlanta)(Wolf vs Ramseys)
Courts ruling:
THE COURT: Thank you. The facts here in so far as they are relevant to the issue of sentencing include the following: On April 30, 2001, Mr. White was served with a subpoena to appear at a motions hearing in the case of People v. Miller. He did not appear even though service was proper. That subpoena was for a May 3rd hearing. When he did not appear, he was called before Judge Tidball who made it crystal clear to the defendant that he was obliged to respond to subpoenas. Thereafter and on June 3, of 2001, he was subpoenaed to appear at trial. And even after having been strongly admonished by Judge Tidball about the necessity of complying with subpoenas, he failed to appear for Mr. Miller's trial. In his plea of guilty to indirect contempt, Mr. White acknowledges that one of the elements of the crime of indirect contempt to which he has now pled guilty was his willful failure to comply with the subpoena requiring his attendance on June 13, 2001. So - and it is appropriate for the Court to consider this in sentencing. There have been two failures to comply with properly served subpoenas, the second occuring after a very strong admonition made directly to Mr. White explaining to him how important it was that he comply with properly served subpoenas. And the Court finds it noteworthy that even today in advising Mr. White of his rights and in his written plea of guilty reciting what his rights are, one of his rights in connection with this charge of indirect contempt includes the right to compel the attendance of witnesses with regard to this charge by a court order called a subpoena. In Mr. White's written plea, he didn't add nor did the Court add in advising Mr. White today, but you need to realize, Mr. White, that people can either chose to comply with subpoenas or not; depending on how they feel at the moment. In other words, even in this very plea that has been taken today, there has been a recognition of this defendant that when his own personal rights are concerned, those rights include the very important right to compel the attendance of witnesses at proceedings involving him by means of a subpoena. Yet when a subpoena was sought to be used by counsel representing Mr. Miller in the underlying case, Mr. White took it upon himself to decide whether or not the subpoena is one that should be honored. Exhibit A submitted on behalf of Mr. White and consisting of some six and a half pages is essentially not relevant or material to this proceeding with very, very few exceptions, most of which I have now stated in this ruling. Mr. White's view of the Ramsey case and of all of the events surrounding the Ramsey case has absolutely nothing to do with his obligation or the obligation of any other citizen to comply with a properly served subpoena unless and until an order has been entered quashing that subpoena. What this Court frequently finds it necessary to say both in criminal cases involving serious crimes and in domestic relations cases and sometimes in civil cases is, Mr. White, and this applies to everybody, you don't get to make the rules. And you thought you did even after Judge Tidball made it clear to you that you didn't. The subpoena that was served upon - the subpoenas that were served upon Mr. White, although this probably isn't terribly relevant, were subpoenas caused to be served by Gary Lozow, a highly competent and responsible criminal defense attorney. And it is not up to Mr. White or any other witness in any case to decide "Well, I don't think there was any legitimate basis for me to be subpoenaed, so I just won't go." This Court has been involved in the legal process for over 40 years and often in those 40 years, and frankly mostly in civil cases, has encountered people like Mr. White who think they either know enough about the underlying case or their time is too important that they decide they will not comply with subpoenas. It happens with physicians, it happens with politicians, it happens with celebrities. And one of the messages that the Court has to send by the sentencing in this case is none of those people get to make the rules. And when a doctor gets subpoenaed in a personal injury case or when a celebrity gets subpoenaed in a domestic violence case or whatever the situation may be, the law does not treat people differently depending on their view of the underlying matter. In this case, we're dealing with a college educated successful businessman, a mature man. And yet, what has been presented to the Court is six and a half pages of unwarranted and baseless explanations as to why this individual, just like any other individual in our society, should not be required to respond to legally served subpoenas. Mr. White took this matter into his own hands. He didn't even seek counsel. He certainly has highly competent counsel now, but his counsel now is in the unenviable position of trying to justify the unjustifiable. The unwarranted attempts to excuse Mr. White's conduct contained in Exhibit A are not unlike the baseless and self-serving explanations that the Court often hears in criminal matters from people far less well situated in our society than Mr. White is. The Court acknowledges that indeed the impact on the trial may have been slight, if any. That has absolutely nothing to do with whether citizens are required to respond to subpoenas. The Court certainly takes into account what it has been advised, namely, that this defendant has no criminal record and that he has now acknowledged belatedly, very belatedly that there is no legal justification or excuse for his having failed to appear. This is one of those cases where when the Court considers the factors to be considered in sentencing, the most important one is the message that is sent to other people in our society who may at some time in the future be served with subpoenas that they find it either inconvenient to respond to or in their considered judgement, subpoenas they find baseless or maybe subpoenas in an underlying case that they find baseless, but it is not up to any of us, and the Court certainly includes itself, to decide whether or not to respond to a properly served subpoena unless and until and order quashing that subpoena has been granted. Is there a likelihood that Mr. White will again engage in such conduct in the future? No, there is not. Is there remorse? The Court doesn't really think so. The impression from Exhibit A is that the defendant knows best and he has been extraordinarily inconvenienced and put upon, all of which may be true, but does not exempt him, nor would it exempt anyone else from a properly served subpoena. The obligation to respond to a subpoena goes to the heart of the criminal justice system and in fact the justice system overall. Again, one of the rights the Court advised Mr. White about today that he has was the right to subpoena people to come to trial, and it shouldn't have been necessary for the Court to say as a subtext, and you actually have a right to expect them to respond to that subpoena. So I will tell both counsel that this Court's view is that number one, a jail sentence is in order; and number two, a jail sentence in the range that Mr. Lozow proposed is woefully inadequate to achieve the purposes that the Court believes must be achieved. Having said that, if either counsel has anything to add, I will hear it before pronouncing sentence. Mr. Truman.

2002

June 24
Fleet White Letter to City of Boulder to show just cause

July 4:
Fleet White filed a lawsuit in District Court asking a judge to order the Boulder Police Department to turn over numerous documents related to the investigation. He was seeking documents pertaining to a claim by a California woman that serious crimes had been committed against her when she was a child by Fleet White and members of his family. The Boulder police had dismissed her claims.

August 6
Fleet White Letter to the Boulder City Council

September 26
White vs City of Boulder (Ruling and Order)

November 21
Part of JonBenet Ramsey file made available to public
http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/storyDetail02.asp?ID=35

2003

January 29
Colorado Springs DA Office Letter to Fleet White

April 7
White vs David Thomas Complaint ( 2003-08-12 (T) Fleet White's Letter to Eagle County Court

April 16:
Fleet White filed a motion claiming that Mary Keenan failed to prosecute whoever leaked information from grand jury proceedings in the summer of 1999.

April 21:
Fleet White asked Gov. Bill Owens to assign a special prosecutor to the JonBenet Ramsey murder and remove Mary Keenan from her position as Boulder County District Attorney. The governor said he would stand by a commission's findings in 1999 that recommended against a special prosecutor.

May 2:
Fleet White filed another suit demanding that a hearing be held ordering Jefferson County District Attorney Dave Thomas to explain why he failed to prosecute Globe tabloid reporter Craig Lewis.

May 16
White turns his focus to Keenan
http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/storyDetail03.asp?ID=28

August 20
August 20, 2003
Vail Daily - Colorado

JonBenet figures pop up in Bryant case
By Randy Wyrick

Two of the central figures in the JonBenet Ramsey case are thrusting themselves into the Kobe Bryant sexual assault investigation.

But no one's quite sure why.

Fleet and Priscilla White wrote a nine-page letter to Eagle County Judge Fred Gannett asserting that his order lacked teeth where it reminded court officials and those connected with the Bryant case not to discuss the case with the media.{FULL STORY can be found at Vail Daily}

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1. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Thank you, Mame!


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2. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   FYI: FW opened the door to the wine room earlier in the morning, not at 1:00. PMPT 296...or, so he told Thomas...or, so Thomas said he was told by FW. I don't know if the exact time is known but FW was in the basement upon first arriving...6am-ish.


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3. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-29-06 AT 10:00 AM (EST)
 
>Since my books are stored I unable to quickly find quotes
>and statements. THIS IS A VERY ROUGH DRAFT, I HAVE ONLY
>INCLUDED A FEW TO GET US STARTED!!! Please pitch in with
>dates and events...AND, comments regarding the White's and
>please include the dates and links if available

>
>

White Timeline


>1996
>
>Background…
>The Ramsey's, with JonBenet and their son, Burke, had
>Christmas dinner at the home of their best friends,
>Priscilla and Fleet White Jr., a mile or so away. After
>Ramsey had moved his computer company from Atlanta, to
>Boulder, in 1991, the Whites and the Ramsey's found they had
>much in common. Fleet White was also a successful tycoon, in
>the oil business. Both couples enjoyed sailing and had six
>yr. old girls with older brothers. Neither Patsy nor
>Priscilla worked, but both were committed volunteers. When
>John Ramsey and decided to throw his wife a surprise 40th
>birthday party a month earlier, on Nov.30, he turned to
>Priscilla to organize the event at the swank Brown Palace in
>Denver.
>
>According to police reports, the Ramseys arrived home from
>the Whites' about 10 p.m. At 5:55 A.M. the Whites were
>awakened by John Ramsey, who told them to hurry right over.
>By 6:20 the Whites were there, joined by other friends, John
>and Barbara Fernie, and later by the Ramseys' minister,
>Father Rol Hoverstock. (Vanity Fair Article 1997)
>
>
>December 23
>Fleet and Priscilla attend the Ramsey's Christmas party.
>Fleet called 911, he claims by mistake, at the Party.


Mame, I don't think there's ever been any documentation as to who made the 911 call the night of the party. All I ever really heard was that Fleet was purportedly making a telephone call regarding some medication for his mother who was in Aspen. That Fleet made the 911 call is just rumor as far as I know. I'm not sure anyone who was in attendance knows who made the call, either deliberately or accidently, except, of course, the person who KNOWS they made the call. When the 911 operator called back, the phone must have been off the cradle. If someone HAD been on the phone, call-waiting would have signaled (with a busy household, I am assuming the Ramseys probably had call-waiting, but that is merely an assumption). When the 911 operator couldn't make contact with anyone, a police officer was dispatched to the Ramsey home. When Susan Stine answered the door, she inquired as to who called 911, and no one owned up to having done so. It was then ASSUMED that Fleet White must have misdialed while trying to take care of his mother's medication.


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4. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   I'll look into that Evening. Also, would you mind editing your last post to remove the full timeline which copied again? It's a long timeline and will get alot longer...I'd like to keep it readable.

Thanks!


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5. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Successful tycoon?? He was an executive in the family owned oil company. I have no idea how 'successful' he was but would not refer to him as a tycoon.

Unless I misread your timeline, you indicate that the Ramseys called Fleet White and awaited his arrival and his instructions before they called the police? I find that rather hard to believe!


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6. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   First of all, this isn't MY timeline. It's a timeline. I'd love it if there are corrections you could post the correction and a link if appropriate.

I took the background info from a news archive. I agree he wasn't a tycoon...he had little disposable income at the time.

Thanks


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7. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-29-06 AT 01:03 AM (EST)
 
Also, reference is made to Ann Burdach's article in which she says John piloted the family plane to Atlanta for the funeral. John cleared this up in DOI when he said this was not true, that his company, Access Graphics had very generously provided a jet to fly him and his family to Atlanta.

I think for a timeline to be accurate, perhaps when erroneous statments like that are made somehow it should be indicated the statement had been proven to be an error. Then, the correct statement should be posted. JMO

This is important because John had been accused of phoning the pilot to make arrangements to fly them to Atlanta when actually he had called to tell him of JB's death and that their trip to Mich. had to be cancelled.


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8. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   I appreciate your help and agree mBm. If anyone has their copy of DOI handy would you kindly give me the page number and quote?

Thanks..


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13. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   >Successful tycoon?? He was an executive in the family owned
>oil company. I have no idea how 'successful' he was but
>would not refer to him as a tycoon.
>
>Unless I misread your timeline, you indicate that the
>Ramseys called Fleet White and awaited his arrival and his
>instructions before they called the police? I find that
>rather hard to believe!

Don, I believe you DID misread Mame's timeline. Mame posted the conversation between John and Patsy that morning about whether to call the police. That conversation didn't involve Fleet White.


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9. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   >I'll look into that Evening. Also, would you mind editing
>your last post to remove the full timeline which copied
>again? It's a long timeline and will get alot longer...I'd
>like to keep it readable.
>
>Thanks!

Not to be interfering, Mame, but I thought that's what the "Reply With Quotes" is for. Sort of SOP. I thought everyone uses that feature.? But it does make it rather long, doesn't it.


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10. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Yes, of course that's what it's for...yet, we all tend to use it sparingly as it makes threads hard to read and cumbersome. I'm sure Evening knows that as she's a veteran poster.


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11. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   >Yes, of course that's what it's for...yet, we all tend to
>use it sparingly as it makes threads hard to read and
>cumbersome. I'm sure Evening knows that as she's a veteran
>poster.

I do agree with you. Very emphatically. But I would not say "we all tend to use it sparingly..." since I've seen post after post with nothing but endless quoted material.

Yes, it does make it hard to read. And in this respect I hope that others take note of this, accept, and utilize your suggestion. I, for one, think you have made a very valid point.

As for Evening, I as well as everyone here I'm sure will agree that she is a veteran poster; and, I might add, one of the best.


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12. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-29-06 AT 08:59 AM (EST)
 
My own policy is to use "reply" as a rule, but to use the "reply with quote" feature when I want to insert several responses to a complex post or if my post is not beneath the post I am replying to. I think it is up to the poster to use whatever they wish. But I think it is very distracting to see long threads, repeated, with a few words sprinkeled around as reply.

As for the 911 call during the party, if it is a rumor, it started with Patsy.

From the Ramsey Book, Death Of Innocence, page 97: Patsy wrote:

"During the party Fleet White used our phone to make a series of calls, trying to get some medicine to his mother in a hospital in Aspen, Colorado. Apparently he dialed wrong and got 911. The Police called back, but after checking with Fleet and the rest of the people at the house, Susan Stine informed them that the call was a mistake. The 911 call still remains somewhat of a mystery."

Also, on page 294, John explains in DOI about how "newspapers would refer to Fleet as an oil magnate. His Father, FW Sr, was reported to have had a natural gas drilling company in California. He may have worked for his dad for a period of time before coming to Colorado, but as far as I know, Fleet did not work at a steady job during the time I knew him in Boulder..."


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14. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Mikie, thanks so very much!


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15. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-29-06 AT 12:08 PM (EST)
 
I've made several updates. The 911 call is now referenced...and I continue to add events and links...please take a look and post any errors or new info I haven't gotten to yet.

Once we finish I will edit and create a final polished document.

One question, since I don't have my books handy...can anyone tell me what day Jonbenet's memorial service was held in Boulder? I know the Atlanta service was on December 31...and the body was said to have been released on December 29.

If anyone off the forum has info they would like to add please email me at mame4454@gmail.com.

Thanks!


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16. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Seems you missed my post 1 above, so I will repeat. Fleet White did not open the door to the wine room at 1pm, as you have on the timeline. He opened it earlier in the morning. Although it is not clear what time, I would presume it was during his visit to the basement at 6:20 am.


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17. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Thanks for mentioning it again, Mikie. I thought I made the change last night...

I just made it.


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18. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Does someone have a reference for Fleet saying he'd changed JBR's panties in the past?

Also, I'd like to find poster B's comments about Fleet White and JBR feeling uncomfortable around him?


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19. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   >Does someone have a reference for Fleet saying he'd changed
>JBR's panties in the past?
>
>Also, I'd like to find poster B's comments about Fleet White
>and JBR feeling uncomfortable around him?

Patsy was asked in the "interview" if Fleet made JonBenet uncomfortable and Patsy said no. Wouldn't Patsy know that more than anyone else?


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20. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   I'd like to get B's description of the situation. Since she was present I consider her a wonderful resource. The more in person reports the better...they all help give depth and understanding beyond news reports and transcripts.

I definitely trust what Patsy says. But, just like Pam Griffin's description of Fleet, B may have seen a different side to the situation. As parents we are sometimes blinded by our closeness to our children.

I'm thrilled to have so many varied reports from so many people who were present.


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21. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Mame, I think this is something you might want to correct:

1 p.m.
Detective Arndt asked John Ramsey, Fleet White, and John Fernie to check the interior of the home. They started in the basement.

DOI, Page 21 (hardback edition):

...Finally, Detective Linda Arndt asks me to take one person, go through the entire house, and look for anything unusual or out of place.

I want to do anything I can to help, so I agree. I don't stop to think that we should not be allowed to roam around the house without a police officer present--much less search the entire house by ourselves...

Fleet White is standing next to me, so I ask him to go with me. ...

According to John's account in his book, John Fernie did not accompany John and Fleet White on the house search.


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22. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   December 29
Vanity Fair Version
The family flew to Marietta Georgia, in a private jet, piloted by John Ramsey, for JonBenet's funeral. (It was later reported in DOI that John did not fly his plane to GA, waiting for source)

DOI, Page 38 (hardback edition):

Later that day we left the Jefferson County Airport, south of Boulder, where Lockheed Martin had made a corporate jet available to us for our trip to Atlanta. This was the first of many acts of kindness from this company that had purchased Access Graphics. ...

Our good friend Mike Archuleta volunteered to fly his airplane to take the overflow of our friends to Atlanta. ...


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23. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Mame, I think you asked the date of the Memorial Service in Boulder. According to your timeline it was December 29, 1996.

>According to Griffin, White behaved similarly at JonBenét's memorial service at St. John's Episcopal Church <the following Sunday, Patsy's fortieth birthday."


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   LAST EDITED ON 10-30-06 AT 10:35 AM (EST)
 
Yes, Evening that is the date. I'm still working to confirm when the flight took place...it could have been the same day. The service was held on Patsy's birthday.


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25. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   There has been some confusion on different timelines regarding the exact dates of the memorial service, flight to Atlanta and burial in Atlanta.

I believe the following is an error in JBR's obit. This was posted elsewhere and gives thanks to Jameson. As far as I can tell the obit is wrong as it says the burial in Atlanta was December 30...when in fact it was December 31. Right?

Obituary
JonBenet Patricia Ramsey of Boulder died Thursday, Dec. 26, 1996, at home, the victim of a homicide. She was 6. She was born Aug. 6, 1990, in Atlanta, the daughter of John Bennett Ramsey and Patricia Paugh Ramsey. She attended High Peaks Elementary School and was a member of St. John's Episcopal Church of Boulder. She moved from Atlanta to Boulder in 1991. The funeral service has been held on 30th December at the Peachtree Presbyterian Church in Atlanta. Interment has followed in St. James Episcopal Cemetery in Marietta. Contributions may be made to St. John's Episcopal Church, 1419 Pine St., Boulder 80302 or to High Peaks Elementary School in care of Christ Mortuary, 3395 Penrose Place, Boulder 80301.

I am assuming the paper is wrong as Jameson surely knows these dates.

Any thoughts or corrections?


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26. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-30-06 AT 01:38 PM (EST)
 
Yes, I think the paper was wrong. They may have published a subsequent correction, I don't know.

Also Mame, I noticed your timeline says JonBenet's head was "covered" when she was found. Is that correct? That's the first time I've ever read that her head was covered.


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27. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   I just noticed that as well. I have been comparing about a dozen different timelines on the cases...from individuals, media, books and case websites. This few words of text came from a link on Miss Marple's wiki. It's one of several timelines available in Marple's Encyclopedia...I've never heard of the site before.

http://www.crimeshots.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33

I've edited the text...if anyone wants to check with the website owner to ask why their timeline makes reference to "head covered" you should do that.


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28. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   I just added an excerpt from John Ramsey's 1998 Stephen Miles defamation suit deposition. I don't understand why John Ramsey would lie under oath about the altercation he had with White in Atlanta around the time of the funeral? Patsy gave in depth details about the event. Since I can't get to my DOI book I can't find John's later statements concerning the event.

Confused.


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29. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   >I just added an excerpt from John Ramsey's 1998 Stephen
>Miles defamation suit deposition. I don't understand why
>John Ramsey would lie under oath about the altercation he
>had with White in Atlanta around the time of the funeral?
>Patsy gave in depth details about the event. Since I can't
>get to my DOI book I can't find John's later statements
>concerning the event.
>
>Confused.

You know what that sounds like to me? Lockheed provided a plane to fly the family in which Priscilla accompanied Patsy (and John and Burke and the older children), and Fleet flew in Mike Archuletta's plane which did NOT include John and Patsy or the family and Priscilla.

What do you think? It does get confusing, I'll admit.

Also,

<The Boulder County coroner reported that an autopsy revealed the cause of death was asphyxia due to <strangulation, and her death was ruled a homicide.

Doesn't the autopsy say the cause of death was asphyxia due to strangulation AND blunt force trauma?


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30. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   It's not about the plane trip...it's that Ramsey says there was NO altercation between he and White in Atlanta. He goes on it the depo to say "others" reported he was acting strange. YET, Patsy goes into great detail in DOI about the incident in Atlanta.

Not sure what to make of it...

I'll link the entire excerpt and let people make up their minds.


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31. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   >It's not about the plane trip...it's that Ramsey says there
>was NO altercation between he and White in Atlanta. He goes
>on it the depo to say "others" reported he was acting
>strange. YET, Patsy goes into great detail in DOI about the
>incident in Atlanta.
>
>Not sure what to make of it...
>
>I'll link the entire excerpt and let people make up their
>minds.

Oh, I must not have read far enough. Where exactly is it that I can read that? It's not with the other plane information that I posted above. I'll go look again.


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32. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   It's from this deposition:

There are dozens of page about the Whites...I need to pull those pages out and post them to a wiki site I created. But, here's the link to the full deposition.

http://www.thedailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/2000/0206deposition.html


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   Thanks, Mame.


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34. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Well, I read the "transcript" of John's deposition and he's quite frank in his responses regarding the rumored altercation between he and Fleet White. I have no reason whatsoever to think John lied. It makes much more sense to believe some of those unnamed sources and the media knew what was needed to "spike" the public's curiosity. My guess would be Patsy got her information from friends who read about it in the media and heard it on television. She really was kept, by desire, out of the loop.


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35. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   This event was described by many people including Alex Hunter who would have had access to police reports. So I do believe it happened. I need to find my DOI to see how it's described there. This depo was taken early in the case...1998. I'd like to see what John has to say a few years later.

John became far more harsh with White as the years went by. I think early on he was having a very hard time even considering him a suspect. Although everyone around the Ramseys did because they witnessed the scary and bizarre behavior White exhibited.



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36. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-30-06 AT 07:13 PM (EST)
 
>This event was described by many people including Alex
>Hunter who would have had access to police reports. So I do
>believe it happened. I need to find my DOI to see how it's
>described there. This depo was taken early in the
>case...1998. I'd like to see what John has to say a few
>years later.
>
>John became far more harsh with White as the years went by.
>I think early on he was having a very hard time even
>considering him a suspect. Although everyone around the
>Ramseys did because they witnessed the scary and bizarre
>behavior White exhibited.

Hmmm, this depo was taken 18 months after JonBenet's death so quite a bit of time had passed. As far as any police report that Alex Hunter might have been privy to, I doubt one was EVEN made. Police reports aren't always written. I still think it was a lot to do about nothing that just excalated from rumors, just like everything else in this case did, thanks to LE and the media.

John was under oath, whereas "everyone around the Ramseys" was not.


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37. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Yes, but if you notice he uses his words "wisely". There absolutely is a police report...when an officer is kept on the scene for six hours, there's a police report. Especially in this case.

I do believe this happened. And, I'm pretty sure more is said in DOI.


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38. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   >Yes, but if you notice he uses his words "wisely". There
>absolutely is a police report...when an officer is kept on
>the scene for six hours, there's a police report. Especially
>in this case.
>
>I do believe this happened. And, I'm pretty sure more is
>said in DOI.

Mame, I really doubt there is a police report. A dispatch report perhaps, but I doubt if there's a formal police report. If there is, I sure would like to see it. Should be a matter of public record.


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39. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   When the police are called, there is a report filed. And you don't leave an officer on the scene for six hours when there is no danger involved. Six hours is a long time.

Anyway, I'll find DOI and find the updated descriptions.

It's very clear that Patsy and John were both very suspect of both Whites.


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40. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   I am looking for a reasonable explanation as to why John would say, under oath, that there was no altercation. There HAS to be an explanation and I want to know what it is.

Perhaps John became informed of a manic phase Fleet was experiencing during this entire tragedy. If Fleet did have a psychotic break, he would have been extremely paranoid and fearful of everything and everyone. Perhaps JOhn wanted to keep that information which is in accordance with HIPPA. Although HIPPA was not in place then, no one has a right to know of someone's mental illness.

Is this the case? I don't know, but it certainly does offer us a reasonable explanation for both any discrepancies as well as Fleet's rumored behavior.

Just because an officer is dispatched (if one was "actually dispatched) does not mean there was an official report. I'm sure there were police/deputies for the funeral procession as well as to keep the funeral from turning into a media circus. It may just be that one of those officers remained in the home for security purposes and the story grew legs.


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41. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   I'm speechless...


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42. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-30-06 AT 08:57 PM (EST)
 
Mame, did you notice my posts Nos. 21 & 22.

These corrections should be made.


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43. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   The flight info was changed over the weekend. Although I did miss your post about Fernie. Thanks, mBm.


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44. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Mame, in DOI the altercation w/FW in Atlanta is described by John starting on page 294. John says that the Whites initially stayed with the Westmorelands, but shortly after they arrived there, Priscilla got into a "tiff" with Rod's wife, and refused to stay in the Westmoreland's home--they would check into a motel instead.

The Ramseys didn't want their friends staying in a hotel, so they arranged to have them stay at Jeff's house. He then goes on to describe the altercation which subsequently ensued.

If you want, I can type out this whole section here. I was about to type it in this post, but I didn't want to duplicate the effort if you were about to do so.

--pony


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45. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Thank you so much ponyduck! I'm still searching all my stored book boxes for the Ramsey books...I've found the John Douglas book and the Wecht book...I didn't even know I owned them!!!

I would love it if you'd type the relevant section(s)....

I'll take what you type and include it in the time line. Also, if you come across any other White info I've missed please let me know.

Thanks again...


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46. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   From DOI (hardback) pg. 294-296:

After JonBenet's murder, the Whites had arrived in Atlanta for JonBenet's funeral the day after we did. They were scheduled to stay at Rod Westmoreland's home. Each of our Atlanta friends had graciously adopted a family from Colorado to host during the funeral. As an unspoken courtesy, our closest friends in Atlanta were to host the Whites, our closest friends from Colorado. For some reason, shortly after the Whites arrived at the Westmorelands', Priscilla got into a tiff with Rod's wife, Kimberly, and refused to stay in the Westmoreland's lovely home. The Whites said they would check into a hotel instead.

When I heard what had happened, I attributed the incident to the fact that everyone was distraught, tired, and easily upset. I assumed they must have had reason to be on edge, and I mistakenly thought everything would subside.

As is customary in the South, the Westmorelands hosted a brunch in their home immediately following JonBenet's funeral for family, friends, and children. Apparently the Whites interpreted this gracious act as a horrible display of opulence and ostentation. In the Whites' view, the Westmorelands were acting totally in bad taste, a view which was not shared by any other friends in attendance.

Eventually, Patsy and I suggested that the Whites stay at my brother's house. We didn't know what had happened at the Westmorelands', but we didn't want them staying in a motel. After all was said and done, they were our good friends and my brother, Jeff, is probably the most calm and under control person I know. Suggesting the Whites stay there was the logical thing to do. Unfortunately, nothing worked out there either.

Following the funeral Jeff remembers giving the Whites a ride to the Westmorelands' for the reception, and afterward, bringing them back to his own home. Fleet began complaining about the Westmorelands' home being in an exclusive area of Atlanta. Priscilla apparently was offended that the family had a maid. They persisted with these demeaning statements and ridiculed the Westmorelands' lifestyle. Fleet and Priscilla left Jeff's for a walk around the neighborhood.

When they returned, Fleet had become even more upset and kept talking about the need to keep "outsiders" from getting in on the investigation. He was rambling on and on, saying things like "We can't hurt the reputation of the people of Boulder . . . JonBenet is gone, we have to protect Boulder now . . . One hundred years ago people on farms took care of themselves. They didn't need cops or lawyers." His behavior seemed irrational to Jeff.

In short order, Fleet became more and more animated. He was periodically jabbing Jeff in the chest with his index finger and putting his hands on Jeff's neck. Jeff thought Fleet was on the verge of being out of control.

"How many people have you made really, really mad at you?" Fleet said, very agitated. "Ten or twelve maybe?"

"No, I don't think so," Jeff said, trying to remain calm.

Fleet continued pressing. "How many people have you made mad enough to want to kill you, or a member of your family? Two or three?"

"No," Jeff responded. He didn't know how anyone could think that way.

But the altercation didn't go away. Fleet's behavior seemed so unreasonable and out of place that it was frightening. Even though Jeff, who had been a high school quarterback, was perfectly capable of defending himself, Fleet scared him. Fleet and Priscilla left Jeff's home to talk to me, and Jeff decided that without a doubt he didn't want the Whites staying in his house that night.

Later that day at the Paughs' house, Priscilla sat me down and told me she had talked to the police for hours. Then she abruptly said there was semen found on JonBenet's body. I was so shocked, I couldn't speak. I just walked away. That urban legend was later proven untrue.

Before the Whites left Atlanta, Priscilla called Patsy's father on the phone from the airport and argued with Don that she knew things that nobody else knew, telling him that he must persuade Patsy and me not to get attorneys. With that Priscilla hung up the telephone, and she and Fleet flew back to Boulder.


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47. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-30-06 AT 11:42 PM (EST)
 
Thank you for posting that, ponyduck. That is John speaking. I really am beginning to believe that Fleet had a break with reality. He has ALL the classic signs. The stress alone of all he had been through would be enough to be the cause. People who are bipolar do not have coping mechanisms in place. As you can see from reading John's account, EVERYTHING was of concern to Fleet and he was consumed with distrust, drama, and paranoia.


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48. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Sounds more like a sexual sadist to me...


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49. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   >Sounds more like a sexual sadist to me...

Huh???


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50. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Was Patsy's 40th birthday party held at the Brown Palace in Denver or the Hotel Boulderado in Boulder?


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51. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-31-06 AT 02:24 AM (EST)
 
Mame, the account of Linda Arndt asking John to search the house is still inaccurate. It still shows that she asked John Fernie to go with John and Fleet. (See my post, either 21 or 22, for exact wording as per DOI.)

I think this should be corrected.

Edited to add: Sorry, Mame, didn't notice the time of your post. Maybe you haven't had time to make the correction.

and EVE2:

I remember reading in DOI that the 40th birthday celebration was held at the Brown Palace in Denver. John had asked Priscilla to make all the arrangements.

I forgot the word he used to describe the Brown Palace, but it was something line "swank". This struck me because of her actions later in Atlanta when she seemed to be having such a problem with John and Patsy's friends' opulence.


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52. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   I beleive the source for John Fernie being asked by Linda Arndt to go through the house with John and Fleet comes from the Search Warrant information:

Detective Arndt monitored incoming phone calls to the Ramsey residence from approximately 0800-1300 hours. John Ramsey answered the incoming phone calls. None of the incoming calls were from the reported kidnappers. At approximately 1300 hours Detective Arndt asked John Ramsey, Fleet (friend of the family, and John Fernie to check the interior of the residence for any sign of JonBenet, or anything that may have been left or taken that belonged to JonBenet. JonBenet's bedroom had been sealed off by Detectives Arndt and Fred Patterson at approximately 1030 hours. John Ramsey immediately went to the basement of the house, followed by Fleet White and John Fernie. Within a few minutes, Fleet came running upstairs, grabbed the telephone in the back office located on the first floor, and yelled for someone to call for an ambulance.

http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID73/4.html

http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID73/3.html

http://www.webbsleuths.org/dcforum/DCForumID73/2.html

It's an error, I believe, but I believe that's where it originated


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53. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Thanks to everyone for the info.

The birthday party was held at the Brown Palace in Denver.


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54. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   In my opinion, there is no excuse for White's behavior. I would NEVER feel it's appropriate to try and diagnose a mental condition on the Internet...or off. In addition, from what I know Bipolar illness does not cause psychotic breaks.

There is no excuse for his behavior. None. Adults have to deal with loss all the time. We all have different ways of handling things...but, this man's behavior was and continues to be more than bizarre...he continues to be highly suspect.

I still have a lot more to add to the timeline...I'll try to get to it later today.

PLEASE continue to add snippets from other materials. Or, mention them and I'll try to run them down..


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55. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   I tend to agree with you, Mame, about FW's behavior. There's really no way I can rationalize it in any way to render it acceptable. But there's also Priscilla--even though I haven't heard a whole lot about her behavior, I've heard enough to give me the impression she was just about as weird as Fleet, and seemed to be right there with him mentally in all his actions. It's not like she was trying to run interference for him, attempting to keep fences mended as a result of his inappropriate behavior. Rather it strikes me that she totally supported him and exacerbated the situation at times.

So if Fleet has mental problems, then it seems Priscilla has some of her own. Since they were both antagonistic, I tend to attribute their behavior to something other than solely mental problems in the strict sense.

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56. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Absolutely. You're right we tend to leave Priscilla out of this. BUT, they are a team. Rarely are they seen alone. In additon, even to this day all the odd lunch dates they make are made together.

If he is involved or knows something about this murder...she knows as well.


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57. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   >In my opinion, there is no excuse for White's behavior. I
>would NEVER feel it's appropriate to try and diagnose a
>mental condition on the Internet...or off. In addition, from
>what I know Bipolar illness does not cause psychotic breaks.
>
>There is no excuse for his behavior. None. Adults have to
>deal with loss all the time. We all have different ways of
>handling things...but, this man's behavior was and continues
>to be more than bizarre...he continues to be highly suspect.
>
>I still have a lot more to add to the timeline...I'll try to
>get to it later today.
>
>PLEASE continue to add snippets from other materials. Or,
>mention them and I'll try to run them down..

As far as psychotic breaks due to bipolar disorder, you are totally incorrect, Mame. The first psychotic break is usually what causes the family of the ill person to seek help and a diagnosis. Even if on medication, a stressful situation can bring about a new psychotic break. People with bipolar disorder need a lot of support from family and those who love them, and it is not unusual (IF Fleet DOES suffer from manic-depression), that his wife Priscilla would be constantly by his side.

Although I offer this merely as a strong probability, based on his behavior, it is no more a diagnosis of mental illness than what others comment on regarding his complicity in a murder. It is discussion.

I DO believe the Ramseys had since been informed of his (probable) illness which might be a reason those incidences were later viewed differently.


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58. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Well, Evening...yes in severe forms of Bipolar Disorder there can be what's known as a "psychotic depression". It is so severe that many times its diagnosed as Schizophrenia.

We have NO information to suggest that Fleet and Priscilla White had the disorder OR to even suggest the Ramsey's were warned of the mental illness. In fact, I doubt very much the Ramsey's would have been so truthful and frank in Death of Innocence if he were mentally ill. OR, would the BPD continue to consider him a witness (along with being a suspect) in the case.

There is nothing in the materials or documents over ten years that indicates that Fleet or Priscilla had BPD...or any mental illness. And, I must agree with Ponyduck that Priscilla's involvement moved way beyond spousal support...she was a full accomplice.


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59. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   I don't know exactly what all you want to include in the Fleet White timeline, but you might could add to Dec. 27 that Fleet was interviewed extensively by the BPD. According to DOI:

DOI (hardback), page 293:

On August 20, 1998, the Whites commented to a Camera staff reporter, "The district attorney and the Ramsey attorneys have simultaneously rebuked the police for 'focusing' their investigation on the Ramseys when in fact the police were simply following evidence."

The innuendo here was obvious. Why had our former friend turned against us?

As Patsy and I thought about this, we went back to the days right after the murder. On December 26, 1996, the police had naturally asked me a lot of questions. I learned that the officers had interrogated Fleet for a long time on the twenty-seventh. I had no idea what was said, but after this session, Fleet returned upset and confused. Suddenly this close friend became tense and acted very strange.


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60. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   >Well, Evening...yes in severe forms of Bipolar Disorder
>there can be what's known as a "psychotic depression". It
>is so severe that many times its diagnosed as Schizophrenia.
>
>We have NO information to suggest that Fleet and Priscilla
>White had the disorder OR to even suggest the Ramsey's were
>warned of the mental illness. In fact, I doubt very much
>the Ramsey's would have been so truthful and frank in Death
>of Innocence if he were mentally ill. OR, would the BPD
>continue to consider him a witness (along with being a
>suspect) in the case.
>
>There is nothing in the materials or documents over ten
>years that indicates that Fleet or Priscilla had BPD...or
>any mental illness. And, I must agree with Ponyduck that
>Priscilla's involvement moved way beyond spousal
>support...she was a full accomplice.

Mame, I don't know where you are getting your information regarding bipolar disorder and psychotic breaks, but I have been personally involved with the illness for six years and can personally attest to the fact that most people with bipolar have psychotic breaks, and no, they are not referred to as psychotic depressions.

To me, Fleet's behavior is characteristically that of someone who suffers from bipolar disorder. I really don't expect you to agree with me.


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61. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   Evening, this is a quest for truth. Hell, if I had proof Fleet White had Bipolar Disorder I'd be quick to rule that into the equation. Since I don't...and to me this is a far deeper personality disorder than a mere mood swing.

From my research there are many levels of Bipolar. Most have mood swings and some mania. For the most severe there can be psychotic characteristics.

Since this is not about Bipolar...I'll stay on track now to discuss the larger picture. If any info is brought forward to suggest the White's were diagnosed with a mental illness I'll go in that direction. OR, if in all the Ramsey comments we find further info on your assertion the Ramsey's were warned of such an illness..I'd take a further look.

You can't blame ten years of sneaking controlling violent bizarre behavior on Bipolar Disorder. The Ramsey's didn't and I can't either.

I do think he needed major Anger Management classes.


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62. "RE: Fleet & Priscilla White TIMELINE"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-31-06 AT 12:55 PM (EST)
 
Mame, I'm only going to say this one last time. There is Bipolar I and Bipolar II disorder. Fleet White displays characteristics of Bipolar I. Although premorbid symptoms may wax and wane for a prolonged period of time, it IS the first PSYCHOTIC BREAK that allows for diagnoses. The psychotic break along with premobid systoms is what differentiates Bipolar Disorder from other mental illness.

Edited to add that Bipolar I is one of the most common of mental illnesses. Also, yes, people with Bipolar I and II are in need of anger management so I'm glad you brought that up.


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63. "RE: John from DOI"
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   LAST EDITED ON 10-31-06 AT 03:36 PM (EST)
 
It seems as though after all was said and done, this is how John felt regarding Fleet and Priscilla's "strange" behavior during that tragic, devastating period of time:

DOI - pgs 306-310

What can I say? Fleet and I never had friction in our friendship prior to JonBenét’s death. Clearly, something happened to the Whites between the time they were with us on the morning of December 26 in Boulder and when they arrived in Atlanta. Because Fleet and Priscilla claimed they knew things that no one else did, we had to surmise that the Boulder police must have planted fear or suspicion in their minds. Maybe the police told Fleet and Priscilla that we had turned on them and named them as suspects; but that simply wasn’t true.

Friends later told us that the police tried to bias them against us in an attempt to force some sort of confusion and anger that would crack a locked door and reveal information about us. The Whites’ abrupt break with us seems to fit into that pattern. Whatever the case, their sudden outbursts left us no choice but to retreat from them for a period of time.

How do we make sense out of what happened? We don’t. Fear of something unknown created an unsafe world with people reacting to the spectres they feared might be hiding from them, rather than the genuine realities standing in front of their eyes. Some people obviously felt implicated by the circumstances, and the Whites were two of them. Throughout the days after the murder, hysteria began to take its toll on everyone.
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64. "RE: John from DOI"
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   I have great empathy for the Ramsey's for so many reasons...but, to have to face the reality that people you thought were your dear friends were no such thing...they were suspects. Friends turning against the Ramsey's was such a huge violation of trust in itself...but, to be forced having to face they could be involved with this kid's death must have been almost more than they could take.


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