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"Autumn on the Whites"
 
   I want to respond to a post by Autumn...

Grrr... This topic upset me and now I can't sleep... So, Here is my half awake assessment of why Fleet should be a suspect and investigated until he can't be investigated anymore......#1 The room she was found in was very small, I have a hard time believing, that even if he couldn't find the light switch he wouldn't have seen her or at least tried to look around without any light... Does anyone know the actual measurements? It looks like the size of a walk-in closet on the documentary and JonBenét's blanket's look like she was in the middle of the room, not tucked into a corner like some have suggested....#2 Fleet by all account's was the first person to explore the basement for what I don't know, because when he found a broken window with a suitcase under it and pieces of broken glass on the floor, he tampered with evidence, moved the suitcase and DID NOT tell anyone what he had found...I can see John R. seeing the broken window and thinking he broke it, but Fleet didn't know that John had broken it... So why doesn't Fleet yell for the police instead of moving things around and not saying anything???#3 While everyone else went to JonBenét... He ran back downstairs and picked up the duct tape after she was found...#4 Fleet knows how to tie the knots that were used...#5 John R. remarked when going over the ransom note with everyone that morning the way it used his name John this and John that was something that Fleet did....#6 Unlike John R. there have been allegations of pedophilic activities against Fleet....#7 Fleet was known to have wiped JonBenét on occasion after she used the bathroom, If he assaulted her that could be his motive... JonBenét soiled herself while playing at his house in broad daylight....#8 The cracked crab at the White's separated for JonBenét... What if it wasn't drugged, because they knew there would be an autopsy if she was murdered, so they drugged the other crab that JonBenét didn't eat... That could explain the Ramsey's sleeping so soundly... They both got so tired on their way home they didn't deliver all of the gifts and Patsy seemed to fall asleep as soon as her head hit the pillow...#9 Fleet's reaction after the murder was out there, he seemed more pissed off that he was left out of decisions that were made, than he was about JonBenét being murdered...#10 If he was involved then he knew that they would be at his house that night and could have dropped some items off when he went caroling... The duct tape, stun gun and cord would have fit in his pocket and since he didn't notify the police about the window It makes me think that he had prior knowledge of it being broken before the murder....#11 Fleet was in John's study the night of the Ramsey's Christmas party, so he could have seen their financial records and John's pay stubs listing his bonus.... He was the one that most people believe made the 911 call that night too...... Which I believe could have been to establish police response time... He also could have saved time by opening the bible and dictionary and drawing a heart around the picture of John Ramsey

#12 He buddied up with investigators and tried to get sealed case documents...#13 He NEVER supported his best friends...#14 He wrote long rambling letters to the anyone who would read them demanding that he be cleared, I can't recall any of the other suspects doing that...#15 Beckner thinks he is a suspect...#16 In S. Thomas's book he writes the names of several people who did not kill JonBenét... Priscilla is on that list, but Fleet isn't.... Etc.. Etc...

So, NO I really can't see why Jameson would think there is no evidence against him.... That is either wishful or ignorant thinking IMHO.... In all fairness though, before I really started looking at him I didn't think he was a good suspect either, but then again I haven't followed this case from day one either.....


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         RE: Autumn on the Whites Mame 11-07-06 3
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jamesonadmin
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11-06-06, 11:48 PM (EST)
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1. "RE: Autumn on the Whites"
In response to message #0
 
   >#1 The room she was found in was very small, I
>have a hard time believing, that even if he couldn't find
>the light switch he wouldn't have seen her or at least tried
>to look around without any light... Does anyone know the
>actual measurements? It looks like the size of a walk-in
>closet on the documentary and JonBenét's blanket's look like
>she was in the middle of the room, not tucked into a corner
>like some have suggested....

The room was small, he was so big that he would have blocked out a lot of the light from behind him and the light switch was in a very awkward spot - - kind of near your left shoulder, very close to the door jamb. No one who has been there had a problem with him not seeing her body - - he was calling out and looking for a living child - - not looking for a body. As for the blanket - he was in a cluttered basement - - that wouldn't look out of place with all the clutter that was down there.


#2 Fleet by all account's was
>the first person to explore the basement for what I don't
>know, because when he found a broken window with a suitcase
>under it and pieces of broken glass on the floor, he
>tampered with evidence, moved the suitcase and DID NOT tell
>anyone what he had found...I can see John R. seeing the
>broken window and thinking he broke it, but Fleet didn't
>know that John had broken it... So why doesn't Fleet yell
>for the police instead of moving things around and not
>saying anything???
You are right on that one - - but we really don't know what he told the cops - - do we?

#3 While everyone else went to JonBenét...
>He ran back downstairs and picked up the duct tape after she
>was found...

In shock, I believe. Isn't it interesting his prints were not reported as being found on the tape?

#4 Fleet knows how to tie the knots that were
>used...

There is absolutely no proof of that.

#5 John R. remarked when going over the ransom note
>with everyone that morning the way it used his name John
>this and John that was something that Fleet did....

Doesn't prove anything - - some people love to use names all the time.

#6 Unlike
>John R. there have been allegations of pedophilic activities
>against Fleet....

Where???? Are they believable?

#7 Fleet was known to have wiped JonBenét
>on occasion after she used the bathroom, If he assaulted her
>that could be his motive... JonBenét soiled herself while
>playing at his house in broad daylight....

There is no evidence he assaulted her while he helped her in the bathroom - or any other time. She never described any sexual molestation to anyone in her life - - never.

#8 The cracked
>crab at the White's separated for JonBenét... What if it
>wasn't drugged, because they knew there would be an autopsy
>if she was murdered, so they drugged the other crab that
>JonBenét didn't eat... That could explain the Ramsey's
>sleeping so soundly... They both got so tired on their way
>home they didn't deliver all of the gifts and Patsy seemed
>to fall asleep as soon as her head hit the pillow...

The Ramseys never felt they were drugged - and there was no evidence of any drugs in JBR's body. Theories alone aren't good evidence.

#9
>Fleet's reaction after the murder was out there, he seemed
>more pissed off that he was left out of decisions that were
>made, than he was about JonBenét being murdered...

I don't know that this is true. He was in shock, trying to help his friends, defending their older children and even the Ramseys - - for a while. Was he argumentative? Yes, but some people are just like that - - it isn't evidence of a crime.

#10 If he
>was involved then he knew that they would be at his house
>that night and could have dropped some items off when he
>went caroling... The duct tape, stun gun and cord would have
>fit in his pocket and since he didn't notify the police
>about the window It makes me think that he had prior
>knowledge of it being broken before the murder....

They didn't live ont he same street and the carolling would not have taken him to the ramsey house.

#11 Fleet
>was in John's study the night of the Ramsey's Christmas
>party, so he could have seen their financial records and
>John's pay stubs listing his bonus.... He was the one that
>most people believe made the 911 call that night too......
>Which I believe could have been to establish police response
>time... He also could have saved time by opening the bible
>and dictionary and drawing a heart around the picture of
>John Ramsey

There is NO reason to believe Fleet was in John's study the night of the Christmas party. No reason to think he was on either the second or third floor. No one has ever suggested he was.
If you are holding misinformation against the Whites, you are not being fair.

>
>#12 He buddied up with investigators and tried to get sealed
>case documents...

Lots of people have done that. *grin*

#13 He NEVER supported his best
>friends...
He did in the earliest days. But he was also falling apart. Some feel it was guilt - others feel he was just falling apart under the pressure. Some people are stronger than others.

#14 He wrote long rambling letters to the anyone
>who would read them demanding that he be cleared, I can't
>recall any of the other suspects doing that...

Well, not quite so publicly - - - though the Santas weren't exactly shy.

#15 Beckner thinks he is a suspect...

Huh? Prove it.

#16 In S. Thomas's book he writes
>the names of several people who did not kill JonBenét...
>Priscilla is on that list, but Fleet isn't.... Etc.. Etc...

LOLOLOL - - Thomas blamed Patsy - - all else follows...
>
>So, NO I really can't see why Jameson would think there is
>no evidence against him.... That is either wishful or
>ignorant thinking IMHO.... In all fairness though, before I
>really started looking at him I didn't think he was a good
>suspect either, but then again I haven't followed this case
>from day one either.....

I could build a better case against him - - and I don't think he is involved!

I am more interested in his California company.


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2. "RE: Autumn on the Whites"
In response to message #1
 
   TRIP DeMUTH: How long did you know
14 them?
15 PATSY RAMSEY: We met the summer I
16 came back from the lake the first time, so that
17 would have been like September-ish of '94.

The Ramseys and the Whites had known each other for a period of only a little over 2 years. Somehow, in reading about all their shared activities one gets the impression they had been friends for many years. In the same statement quoted above, Patsy goes on to say they didn't see much of the Whites that Fall. No matter how well we think we might know someone, sometimes we find we don't know them at all. Two years is not a very long time for a friendship.


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Mame
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3. "RE: Autumn on the Whites"
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   I totally agree with you mBm. They really didn't know each other long. It's also clear from Patsy and John's statements they had some concerns long before the murder, regarding White's career, background, present job, financial status and sailing experience. Then of course after the murder the really bizarre behavior began.

From everything I've seen John Ramsey has handled himself with true class throughout all these years. Patsy as well. It was obvious John had a very hard time even considering a friend like White as a suspect. In the end he came clean and was frank about his concerns.

How well did they know each other? If they hadn't seen each other much that fall, why not? One tidbit I was told several years ago is that there is evidence Daphne was in at least one kiddie pageant. I find that interesting as even Patsy said Priscilla wasn't too keen on them.


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11-07-06, 06:11 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Autumn on the Whites"
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   I never heard that Daphne was in a pageant - in fact, I seem to recall Judith and Frank Coffman saying the Whites disapproved.

One very early FDI theory was that Priscilla was demanding Daphne be allowed to enter the pageants and Fleet didn't want to pay for that - - so, the theory went - he killed JBR to stop the nagging.

(IMO, that is right up there with Patsy killing JBR because she wet the bed. Talk about overreactions!)


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5. "RE: Autumn on the Whites"
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   I heard they disapproved as well. However, it has been confirmed she was entered into at least one pageant.


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jamesonadmin
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11-07-06, 10:46 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Autumn on the Whites"
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   I would be interested in hearing the details on that one.

Was JonBenet also a participant?

Did the girls have a fun time?

Did Priscilla "fit in" with the other mothers? or did she feel like a bit of a 5th wheel?

Did she get to see one or two of the dreaded "STAGE MOTHERS"? You know the ones who force the kids to do what they obviously hate?

Or did she have a good experience - - and wish they could have done more?

I'd be curious. Do you have any answers?


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