I have retrieved a few posts from an archived thread in order to begin a separate thread on this topic. OVERVIEW: A book was found on Patsy's dresser which she had never seen before nor had she ever read. The book was written in Danish. The title of the book is "The Grand Design", by David Pilgrim. David Pilgrim is one of many pseudonyms that was used by two authors.
"Was he James Bond as he used the stun gun or wrote the note or was he a pastiche of several other characters?" ~ DonBradley
(Don is speaking of the killer here, not the author)
"Don,
<was he a pastiche of several other characters?
That fits MY profile." ~ Evening2
Posted by BraveHeart on 11-02-06 at 02:50 PM
If this were the typical sexual pedophile predator I feel certain he would have taken her from the house, had his way with her in a remote location and dumped the body out in the brush between Lyons and nederland where the body would not have been found for a couple of months, if ever. But then no one would suspect John of being a pervert who molested his pageant princess daughter or Patsy of losing her patience over a bed wetting incident. There would have been no dutch author's book laid out on Patsy's dresser, which she had never seen before, or dictionary dog eared to the word incest, or the mother of all ransom notes left on the most used stair case leading to the kitchen and coffee pot, no hand wringing by friends and family above the murder scene and body, no barbie gown folded next to the body, no media feeding frenzy, no mystery, no crime of the century, no "twisting in the wind" revenge, no "messin" with LE's minds and last but not least....NO VICTORY!!!
Probably, the "well dressed man talking to children" was from a profile of whatever kind of pedophile the Ramseys and their advisors thought was responsible for this. I doubt very seriously that it came from any kind of witness description. Maybe John Douglas offered some suggestions as to what to put in an ad. ~ BraveHeart
Posted by Evening2 on 11-02-06 at 02:56 PM
Wonderful post, BraveHeart. And I don't mean to be nit-picky, but the book that Patsy had never seen that was laid out on her dresser was by a "Danish" author, not a Dutch author. The reason that is SO important is that a top SUSPECT had a dire interest in a particular Danish author, so much so that she even did a dissertation on her. Just thought I should point that out. (see corrected information below)
Title: Theory and practice of the story in the tales of Isak
Dinesen.
Author(s): Ballew, Doris Janet, 1933-
Year: 1962
Description: 120 l.
Language: English
Note(s): Vita./ Bibliography: leaves <119>-120./ Dissertation:
Thesis (M.A.)--University of Oregon, Dept. of English.
Class Descriptors: LC: PT8175.B545
Material Type: Thesis/dissertation (deg); Manuscript (mss)
Document Type: Book; Archival Material
Entry: 19930429
Update: 20040107
Accession No: OCLC: 28003403
Edit: The authors, who used as one of many combined pseudonyms the name David Pilgrim, were not themselves Danish but they wrote the book that was found on Patsy's dresser which was published in Danish. Coincidentally, Janet had special admiration for Isak Dinesen, upon whom she wrote her dissertation, who WAS Danish. Danish + Danish ~ Evening2
Posted by Margoo
June 1998
22 TOM HANEY: Now, in the house in addition to
23 several bibles, you had a ton of books. Let's take a
24 couple of minutes and talk about some of those, some
25 which you may know something about, maybe you don't.
0445
1 How about the book Mind?
2 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
3 TOM HANEY: Do you recall that? Do you
4 recall seeing it around the house?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: Huh-uh.
6 TOM HANEY: You were not reading.
7 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
8 TOM HANEY: It is a book by John Douglas.
9 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know.
10 TOM HANEY: Do you know who he is?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: John Douglas I know.
12 TOM HANEY: Okay. How about everybody in
13 your room on your bedroom dresser there was a book by
14 David Pilgram (phonetic), a Danish book.
15 PATSY RAMSEY: Not good at remembering
16 authors.
17 TOM HANEY: I think this was in Danish. Do
18 you read different languages?
19 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
20 TOM HANEY: Would John, does he?
21 PATSY RAMSEY: No. It was written in Danish?
22 TOM HANEY: That is my understanding.
23 TRIP DEMUTH: Yeah.
24 PATSY RAMSEY: What kind of book?
25 TOM HANEY: I don't read it.
0446
1 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. Not familiar.
2 TOM HANEY: How about a book called Camp Fire
3 Stories?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: Camp Fire Stories, I think
5 that is one of the kids' books.
6 TOM HANEY: Was it?
7 PATSY RAMSEY: I think so.
8 TOM HANEY: I don't think it is probably a
9 kid book.
10 PATSY RAMSEY: All right. Oh, the kids song
11 around camp fires, ghost story books.
12 TOM HANEY: Maybe that book -- okay. By the
13 way, if it doesn't mean anything to you --
14 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
15 TOM HANEY: How about Whirlwind by Clavel
16 (phonetic).
17 PATSY RAMSEY: I didn't read it.
18 TOM HANEY: How about What Wives Wish Their
19 Husbands Knew About Women?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: My husband's. No.
21 TOM HANEY: You didn't.
22 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
23 TOM HANEY: So would these be John's if they
24 were in there and not yours?
25 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. I mean, he had
0447
1 a lot of books, but I don't know.
2 TOM HANEY: Okay. How about a book called
3 Why johnny Can't Tell Right From Wrong?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. That was about -- my
5 dad gave me that. That was about education, the school
6 system.
7 TOM HANEY: How about The Sensuous Man?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: I heard of that. I don't
9 remember reading it.
10 TOM HANEY: Okay. Do you remember, did you
11 buy it or John buy it?
12 PATSY RAMSEY: If I remember right, I didn't
13 buy it. I know I didn't buy it.
14 Do you know if it was paper back or --
15 TOM HANEY: I think it was a hard bound.
16 TRIP DEMUTH: I don't know.
17 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't know. I can't say.
18 TOM HANEY: How about The Day After Tomorrow
19 was the book title?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: Was that a James Bond movie or
21 something? (Inaudible). James Bond.
22 TOM HANEY: Where he dies or something.
23 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
24 TOM HANEY: I don't think there is any
25 connection.
0448
1 PATSY RAMSEY: No. I don't know. I can't
2 remember that.
3 TOM HANEY: What kind of reading did you do?
4 Are you a Tom Clancey, Steven King?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: No.
6 TOM HANEY: What kind of books?
7 PATSY RAMSEY: To tell you the truth, I don't
8 know that I read all that much. I mean, I read a lot
9 of magazines and that kind of thing. I read the
10 Mitsford (phonetic) books, but I think that was after
11 Susan Stine got me those.
12 TOM HANEY: What is that?
13 PATSY RAMSEY: It is a series of books about
14 a small town priest and they are just really sweet. It
15 is hard to find a book that doesn't have something to
16 do with murder or something like that, you know. These
17 were very nice.
18 TOM HANEY: And that is what you prefer now.
19 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
20 TOM HANEY: You said you read a lot of
21 magazines, what?
22 PATSY RAMSEY: Southern Living, Southern
23 Accent kind of stuff, decorating kind of.
24 TOM HANEY: Anything else? Did you have
25 regular subscriptions to those?
0449
1 PATSY RAMSEY: No. John got flying
2 magazines.
3 TOM HANEY: But you just pick them up at the
4 grocery store or whatever?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
Posted by Evening2 on 11-02-06 at 03:41 PM
Just for the record, I was NOT nor have I ever made the statement OR insinuated that the book on Patsy's dresser by the author David Pilgrim (which was written in Danish) was the author about whom Janet McReynolds' had an interest nor that the book found was by Danish author Isak Dinesen. The point is that it seems quite the coincidence, yes, the "coincidence" indeed that a book was left on Patsy's dresser which she had NEVER recalled having seen or read before AND one of the top suspects had a particular interest in a Danish author as well. ~ Evening2
Posted by Margoo on 11-02-06 at 03:57 PM
The reason for posting the parts of the interview with Patsy regarding books in the home was to clarify that it is UNKOWN (at least from that resource) whether the author was Dutch, Danish, American, or something else. The book, it sounds like, according to Tom Haney, was written in Danish. The author MAY be of some other origin, but able to write in Danish (or had been translated by someone else). The origins/nationality of the author (and even the spelling of the author's name) are in doubt. Where would such a book have come from? The Ramseys, as far as I know, cannot read Danish. Is Haney mistaken? How did it get to be bedside? ~ Margoo
Posted by Evening2 on 11-02-06 at 04:02 PM
>The reason for posting the parts of the interview with Patsy
>regarding books in the home was to clarify that it is UNKOWN
>(at least from that resource) whether the author was Dutch,
>Danish, or something else. The book, it sounds like,
>according to Tom Haney, was written in Danish. The author
>MAY be of some other origin, but able to write in Danish (or
>had been translated by someone else). The origins of the
>author (and even the spelling of the author's name) are in
>doubt. Where would such a book have come from? The
>Ramseys, as far as I know, cannot read Danish. Is Haney
>mistaken? How did it get to be bedside?
Whether or not the author would turn out to be Danish or not, the fact that the book was WRITTEN in Danish and the author may also be Danish (doesn't matter if he is or not) is, IMO, significant because of the "coincidence" of both or either stated in my post. ~ Evening2
Posted by Margoo on 11-02-06 at 04:10 PM
>>The reason for posting the parts of the interview with Patsy
>>regarding books in the home was to clarify that it is UNKOWN
>>(at least from that resource) whether the author was Dutch,
>>Danish, or something else. The book, it sounds like,
>>according to Tom Haney, was written in Danish. The author
>>MAY be of some other origin, but able to write in Danish (or
>>had been translated by someone else). The origins of the
>>author (and even the spelling of the author's name) are in
>>doubt. Where would such a book have come from? The
>>Ramseys, as far as I know, cannot read Danish. Is Haney
>>mistaken? How did it get to be bedside?
>
>Whether or not the author would turn out to be Danish or
>not, the fact that the book was WRITTEN in Danish and the
>author may also be Danish (doesn't matter if he is or not)
>is, IMO, significant because of the "coincidence" of both or
>either stated in my post.
Okay, you can think that's a coincidence. My post wasn't directed at your theory of a "coincidence" or connection anyway. It was in response to Braveheart's identification of the author as Dutch and your identification of him as Danish. The questions and "points" in the following post are based upon my ... well, my own questions and "points". Doesn't mean anything about you or your post except to clarify that we don't know the author's origins (going back to Braveheart's post), whether he's Dutch or Danish or American for that matter. The questions I wanted to raise have nothing to do with your view of a "coincidence" and was not a commentary on that view. ~ Margoo
Posted by DonBradley on 11-02-06 at 03:45 PM
>but the book that Patsy had never seen that was
>laid out on her dresser was by a "Danish" author, not a
>Dutch author. The reason that is SO important is that a top
>SUSPECT had a dire interest in a particular Danish author,
>so much so that she even did a dissertation on her. Just
>thought I should point that out.
>
>Title: Theory and practice of the story in the tales of Isak
>Dinesen.
>Author(s): Ballew, Doris Janet, 1933-
Well, Isak Dinesen/Karen Blixen is sometimes thought of as more an American author since her Ladies Home Journal and Book of the Month Club publications are what allowed her to have so many dollars sent from America to Denmark.
I wonder if Doris (Janet) McReynolds life with her rather gay husband is not all that different from Dinesen's life. Both Janet and Isak rejected values of 'work, thrift and household arts'.
Dinesen often spoke of 'young love' but there seems to be no evidence that she was referring to 'way too young'.
It is certainly understandable that Bill McReynolds who wrote his master's thesis on the dean of American Realists would be attracted to a woman who wrote her master's thesis on Isak Dinesen. They would clearly hold similar views as to how archaic value sets (Christianity, Calvinist work ethic, etc.) should not be allowed to constrain one's behavior. ~ DonBradley
Posted by Evening2 on 11-02-06 at 04:18 PM
This is a portion of an older post by Braveheart:
d) a book written in Danish language by David Pilgrim found on Patsy's dresser (this would be one of two books, or both, written by Hilary Aidan St. George Saunders and John Leslie Palmer, British authors, writing under the pseudonym of David Pilgrim; "No Common Glory" & "The Grand Design", both available in German, English and Danish translations. They are classified as historical crime fiction novels. I don’t know the plot of these but my guess is that since neither John nor Patsy spoke Danish, and didn’t recognize the book, these have something to do with the crime and were left by the murderer.
There is a membership only Live role playing group head quartered in Britain, by the name “The Grand Design”. Their web site:
http://www.granddesign.org.uk/#
The below is from an older post by Evening2.
'Francis Beeding' was the pseudonym used by a pair of writers, John Leslie Palmer (1885-1944) and Hilary Aidan St George Sanders (1898-1951). They were Oxford graduates who met while at the League of Nations in Geneva. Palmer was a drama critic who wrote books on the theatre under the pseudonym "Christopher Haddon". Saunders served with the Welsh Guards in WWI and worked for the Air Ministry in WWII, writing the famous pamphlet, The Battle of Britain. From 1946 to 1950 he was librarian of the House of Commons.
Beeding's work is mainly about espionage, and features Colonel Alistair Granby in a series of spy stories with colours in the titles. The team is best remembered for Death Walks in Eastrepps and The House of Dr Edwardes, which Hitchcock filmed as Spellbound.
Bibliography
By Hilary Saunders
The Sleeping Bacchus (1951)
As 'Francis Beeding' {with John Leslie Palmer}
The Seven Sleepers (1925)
The Little White Hag (1926)
The Hidden Kingdom (1927)
The House of Doctor Edwardes {aka Spellbound} (1927)
The Six Proud Walkers (1928)
The Five Flamboys (1929)
Pretty Sinister (1929)
The Four Armourers (1930)
The League of Discontent (1930)
Death Walks in Eastrepps (1931)
The Three Fishers (1931)
Murder Intended (1932)
Take It Crooked (1932)
The Emerald Clasp (1933)
The Two Undertakers (1933)
The One Sane Man (1934)
Mr Bobadil {aka The Street of the Serpents} (1934)
Death in Four Letters (1935)
The Norwich Victims (1935)
The Eight Crooked Trenches {aka Coffin for One} (1936)
The Nine Waxed Faces (1936)
Hell Let Loose (1937)
The Erring Under-Secretary (1937)
No Fury {aka Murdered: One by One} (1937)
The Black Arrows (1938)
The Big Fish {aka Heads Off at Midnight} (1938)
He Could Not Have Slipped (1939)
The Ten Holy Horrors (1939)
Eleven Were Brave (1940)
Not a Bad Show {aka The Secret Weapon} (1940)
The Twelve Disguises (1942)
There Are Thirteen (1946)
As 'Barum Browne' {with Geoffrey Dennis}
The Devil and XYZ (1931)
As 'Cornelius Coffyn' {with John de Vere Loder}
The Death Riders (1935)
As 'David Pilgrim' {with John Leslie Palmer}
The Emperor's Servant {short stories} (1946)
As 'John Somers' {with John Leslie Palmer}
The Brethren of the Axe (1926)
It seems the books written in Danish that were found in the Ramsey home, were published in the early 1940s by two English authors who published many crime books under the "shared" pseudonym of Francis Beeding, David Pilgrim, and others. One of their original books was adapted for the screen in the Hitchcock movies "Spellbound".
So, what do we possibly have here? We know Janet McReynolds seems to have idolized the Danish author Isak Dinesen (thus, the Danish copies of the crime scene books) and, many of us believe the "ransom note" might very well have been written by more than one person, as was the case of the works of David Pilgrim.
I wonder what the book "Death in Four Letters (1935) is about? Has anyone read it?
I also wonder if, just maybe the "John" in the ransom note refers to John Leslie Palmer, one-half of the pair of authors shown above? Sorta "fits", IMO. ~ Evening2
Posted by Evening2 on 11-02-06 at 07:46 PM
Quotes below by Bill McReynolds--PMPT
" There's this feeling in Boulder that we've got to be protective of our Eden. We can't have this violation of our community. It means we'll be cast out of the garden. Boulderites are always looking at their IMAGE first--what this story is doing to the IMAGE of their town." ~ Bill McReynolds
"Almost everyone has written stories about me--the Denver papers, the tabloids, and even CNN. I've been on lots of TV shows. It's too late. There's nothing I can do about it. Lots of people think that I killed JonBenet, that Santa killed an angel." ~ Bill McReynolds
"Back in '72 my wife & I led a publicity campaign for George McGovern, which was run by COMMON Cause. That's when I met Paul DANISH and Ruth Correll. They were among the group that started to clean up the city. Boulder became a place where you could have an aesthetic experience. Maybe it's been overdone." ~ Bill McReynolds
"Recently the Boulder Dinner Theatre was performing GRAND Hotel. Now the city has an ordinace against smoking in public places. They threatened to close down the play because there were one or two smoking scenes. Sometimes I think Boulder is over regulated. Everything is protected. Overprotected. Boulder has become just too precious." ~ Bill McReynolds
Words in ALL CAPS are emphasized by me.
Although it doesn't have anything in "particular" to do with this thread, in re-reading Bill's quotes above, I AM moved to ask the question: Why didn't he say he DIDN'T kill JonBenet? ~ Evening2
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