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BraveHeart
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11-22-06, 09:14 PM (EST) |
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8. "RE: The Santa Bear Found in JB's Bedroom"
In response to message #7
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From the transcripts: "Atlanta 2000 "Between June of 5 1998 and our request for help in December of 6 1998 -- ........ 8 did your 9 recollection get jogged and you realized that 10 you did, in fact, own the bear? 11 A. No. I mean, it was still a bear 12 that I did not recognize. 13 Q. Have you since that time had 14 anything that has refreshed your recollection 15 in that regard so that you now presently 16 know the source of that bear? 17 A. No. ...... I have seen a videotape taken at a 21 pageant in December, in fact, December 14, 22 1996. I think that was -- was that the 23 last -- I believe that was the last pageant 24 that JonBenet participated in. ....... 13 Q. And in the videotape it shows the 14 prizes. 15 A. Uh-huh (affirmative). 16 Q. And that bear is in the videotape 17 with you in the videotape? 18 A. Oh, really? ....... 1 have seen videotape that shows what appears 2 to be that bear. 3 MR. WOOD: The question, though, 4 is are you representing it is that bear 5 because there is a difference, and I think 6 you understand it. I haven't seen the 7 videotape that you are referring to, but I 8 mean, you are saying it appears to be. 9 THE WITNESS: Yeah, I would like 10 to see that too because it was my 11 recollection that she won a bear, but it had 12 a little banner on it, and it was like a 13 little angel bear or something. It was all 14 white. ...... perhaps my observations are incorrect, just 18 assuming that, does that refresh your 19 recollection as to the origin of the Santa 20 Bear that we saw? 21 A. Well, this bear that I think she 22 was presented at that pageant did not have 23 Santa, Santa attire. It was a little angel 24 bear, which I have someplace. ..... 22 MS. HARMER: Whatever pageant she 23 was in on the 14th of December, and LaDonna 24 was involved in it, that is where the bear 25 came from. 150 1 THE WITNESS: Oh, okay. 2 MR. WOOD: According to? 3 THE WITNESS: LaDonna? 4 MS. HARMER: Yes. .... 8 MR. WOOD: The video shows a 9 Santa Bear. 10 MS. HARMER: Yes. The video is 11 taken at the same pageant where LaDonna 12 passed out these prizes, one of which was 13 the bear. 14 MR. WOOD: Again, I am just 15 trying to make sure, do you have a video of 16 JonBenet holding or receiving a Santa Bear or 17 are you saying that Santa bears were given 18 out to some of the people there? 19 MS. HARMER: The video shows the 20 Santa Bear on the table. 21 MR. WOOD: Well, the table, who 22 all is in the picture? 23 MR. KANE: Maybe I can clarify 24 it. LaDonna Graygo purchased the bear, 25 purchased the Santa Bear. It was the prize 151 1 to JonBenet, and she told us the prize that 2 JonBenet was awarded for winning little Ms. 3 Christmas. That was the prize and it was 4 the only bears that she had, and she got it 5 from someplace in Nebraska, a mail order 6 company. I can't remember the name. 7 THE WITNESS: Okay. 8 Q. (By Mr. Kane) Did you look at 9 the bear when it was found by -- what is 10 her name? 11 A. Gene. 12 Q. Gene, or his? 13 MR. LEVIN: Mr. Matthews. 14 THE WITNESS: Uh-huh 15 (affirmative). 16 Q. (By Mr. Kane) You looked at it 17 before it was shipped off to Colorado? 18 A. Yes. 19 Q. And that didn't ring any bell 20 with you? 21 A. Uh-uh (negative). 22 Q. But you remember getting -- she 23 won a bear at that pageant? 24 A. I thought it was the little white 25 angel bear, but maybe it was, maybe she got 152 1 that some other time. 2 Q. (By Mr. Levin) If I understand 3 you correctly, Mrs. Ramsey, you do recall, my 4 sense is, and if I am wrong, tell me, you 5 do recall with some degree of certainty she 6 won a bear at that pageant, her last 7 pageant? 8 A. Yes. 9 Q. And then what I am understanding 10 you to say is, what you are not certain of 11 is the type of bear? 12 MR. WOOD: No, she is not saying 13 she is not certain. She is saying I thought 14 it was the little white angel bear, but 15 maybe she got that some other time. 16 Q. (By Mr. Levin) And I took that 17 to mean that you are not certain that it was 18 the angel bear -- 19 A. Or the Santa Bear. 20 Q. -- or the Santa Bear? 21 A. Right. 22 Q. So if I understand you correctly, 23 you are saying that you don't have an 24 independent memory today to state emphatically 25 she didn't win the Santa Bear? 153 1 A. Right. 2 Q. Did you, when you directed Mr. 3 Matthews where to look for the bear, that 4 is, in the box of things from JonBenet, did 5 you know that that bear had been taken out 6 of the house with your other property? I 7 suppose what I am getting at is, had you 8 been able to go through all of the things 9 that were removed from the Boulder house -- 10 A. No. 11 Q. -- prior to December of '98? 12 A. No. 13 Q. Did you go through any of the 14 property at all, if you recall? 15 A. No. ......" From a news article:
Ex-detective: Girl's aunt took evidence By Marilyn Robinson Denver Post Staff Writer Feb. 17 - Breaking his long-standing silence, a former Boulder detective Tuesday accused JonBenet Ramsey's aunt of taking potential evidence from the Ramsey home the day after the girl was found dead.... Not so, said Pam Paugh, Patsy Ramsey's sister, speaking from her Georgia home on Tuesday. "First of all, he wasn't there. Second of all, I went in with a listing of things,'' Paugh said, referring to a list of items she wanted to retrieve. "Every place I went, there was a detective. He was with me. He never left my side. He inspected everything. He selected the bags. He packed everything. I didn't pack anything.'' Paugh said she took clothing, pictures of JonBenet, and some stuffed animals and dolls. She also took a medal JonBenet had won in a talent contest and some beauty pageant banners. But she didn't take a teddy bear, dressed like Santa Claus, sitting on a bed in JonBenet's room, Paugh said. The district attorney's office last month launched a search for the manufacturer and the retail outlets that sold similar bears. "...didn't take a teddy bear, dressed like Santa Claus, sitting on a bed in JonBenet's room, Paugh said. The district attorney's office last month launched a search for the manufacturer and the retail outlets that sold similar bears." "I saw the teddy bear on the bed,'' that day she retrieved the items, Paugh said. "I hadn't seen it before. But I didn't touch it, and I didn't take it.'' So, the bear was on the bed after the crime, the pageant prize lady thought it was the one she bought and gave JB, Pam Paugh saw the bear on the bed but did not take it, and the keystone cops either did not take the bear in as evidence or they lost it and Steve Thomas thought and accused Pam Paugh of taking it. If Pam did not take it, and BDP did not take it either, who did? Is this the mystery that Tracey is refering to? Not sure I would take the pageant prize lady's word for this either.
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