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"Karr still under investigation!"
 
   Ramsey sorry for Karr

JonBenet's father gives first interview since wife's death, suspect's arrest

By Charlie Brennan And Todd Hartman, Rocky Mountain News
November 24, 2006

John Ramsey used to talk about tearing his daughter's killer limb from limb.

But once a man - John Mark Karr - was in custody in connection with the crime, Ramsey's attitude softened.

In an interview to be broadcast Saturday, Ramsey voices empathy for the man arrested but later released after he confessed to JonBenet's slaying.

"After a while, he was so abused and vilified and convicted in the media that I started to feel sorry for the guy," Ramsey told "48 Hours Mystery" correspondent Erin Moriarty in his first interview since his wife Patsy's death and Karr's arrest.

"You have this expectation that absolute evil is going to be ugly and dark and reprehensible. Here, you know, is a nice clean-cut looking young man."

Karr was arrested in Bangkok on Aug. 15, after he professed to have intimate knowledge of how JonBenet died, in a series of e-mails with CU professor Michael Tracey. Karr was released Aug. 28 after Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy announced that Karr's DNA didn't match evidence from the crime scene.

The "48 Hours" broadcast reveals - via federal investigators who speak on camera - that Karr remains a person of interest in JonBenet's death on Christmas night 1996. The investigators are looking into his travels and contacts with children in other countries.

"They say quite clearly they're still investigating Karr because of his discussions where he seemed to know so much more about the (murder of JonBenet) than he should," Moriarty said.

She added that federal investigators remain interested in the possibility that two people were involved, and that Karr could be linked to the killing through a second person.

In their interviews, Department of Homeland Security agents also provide more detail about Karr's involvement with young girls in Thailand, some of it from what they observed on surveillance tapes.

"They became very concerned about his behavior with children," Moriarty said.

The "48 Hours" interview with John Ramsey took place over two days in October in Charlevoix, Mich.

John Ramsey acknowledged he has some concerns that Karr, whose own family says he is obsessed, might show up at his home.

"You can't live your life in fear, but, you know, we tend to be careful," he said.

Moriarty said that Ramsey, who turns 63 on Dec. 7, placed no conditions on the interview. "He seemed very relaxed, at peace and open to any question," Moriarty said. "There was nothing that he said 'I'd rather not talk' about.

The interview originally had been scheduled to take place earlier in the year and was to include Patsy Ramsey, JonBenet's mother, who died of cancer June 24. The interview was postponed when Patsy's health deteriorated.

On the broadcast, Ramsey recounted the difficulty of his wife's final moments.

The hospital staff "told me that I needed to tell her that in so many words that we'd given up (the fight against cancer). . . . That was hard. I just said, 'If you're ready to go, it's OK to go.' "

Moriarty said that Ramsey expressed disappointment in the way the case against Karr evaporated, and that he still seemed intrigued by certain facts that surfaced, including news that Karr once signed a high school yearbook S-B-T-C, matching the mysterious "S.B.T.C." sign-off to the ransom note in JonBenet's case.

Although Ramsey said some people always will suspect that he was involved in his daughter's death, he said many others now believe that he and his wife are innocent.

"He seems at peace with that," Moriarty said. "He also said he is not going to just disappear. He doesn't want people to forget this case. He doesn't want it to become some cold case that's not solved. And if that means he has to be in the public eye, he'll do that."


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  RE: Karr still under investigation! mBm 11-24-06 1
     RE: Karr still under investigation! Mame 11-24-06 2
         RE: Karr still under investigation! mBm 11-24-06 3
             RE: Karr still under investigation! Mame 11-24-06 4
                 RE: Karr still under investigation! BIZ 11-24-06 5
                     RE: Karr still under investigation! Ashley 11-24-06 6
                     RE: Karr still under investigation! Evening2 11-24-06 7
                         RE: Karr still under investigation! Mame 11-24-06 8
                         RE: Karr still under investigation! mBm 11-24-06 9
                             RE: Karr still under investigation! mBm 11-24-06 10
                                 RE: Karr still under investigation! Evening2 11-24-06 11
                                     RE: Karr still under investigation! one_eyed_Jack 11-24-06 12
                                         RE: Karr still under investigation! Mame 11-24-06 13
                                             RE: Karr still under investigation! Ashley 11-25-06 14
                                             New York Post Mame 11-25-06 15
                                             Studious? DonBradley 11-25-06 16
                                             RE: Studious? Mame 11-25-06 17
                                             RE: Studious? Ashley 11-25-06 18
                                             Conspiracies mBm 11-25-06 19
                                             RE: Conspiracies ponyduck 11-25-06 20
                                             RE: Conspiracies Evening2 11-25-06 21
                                             RE: Passport BIZ 11-26-06 22
                                             RE: Passport mBm 11-26-06 23
                                             RE: Conspiracies Pugs 11-26-06 24

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1. "RE: Karr still under investigation!"
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   It appears the feds are doing what local LE should be doing, i.e., looking further into JMK and his possible involvement in JB's murder. They indicate what many of us have claimed all along--that JMK knew too much about the crime to not be involved, in some way at least.

I wondered at first why John had agreed to do this interview (since he seems to be at odds with most media), and he explains why, at the very end of this story.

" "He seems at peace with that," Moriarty said. "He also said he is not going to just disappear. He doesn't want people to forget this case. He doesn't want it to become some cold case that's not solved. And if that means he has to be in the public eye, he'll do that."

I'm glad to hear this. I think he's doing the right thing.


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Mame
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11-24-06, 01:18 PM (EST)
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2. "RE: Karr still under investigation!"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-24-06 AT 01:20 PM (EST)
 
Here is a rather lengthy video at CBS regarding the upcoming 48 Hours show. It's on the right side of the page:

http://tinyurl.com/yhow5p

Edited to add: I'm happy to see the Feds working on this as no one would believe Boulder...I assume they'll believe the Feds if there is a link found between Karr and Ramsey.


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mBm
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11-24-06, 03:29 PM (EST)
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3. "RE: Karr still under investigation!"
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   Thanks, again, Mame, for your post. The part of the video I found most interesting was Moriarty's ending line:

"What they're looking at is he still may know more or be part of a conspiracy."

I think this is what we have maintained all along.


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Mame
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11-24-06, 03:35 PM (EST)
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4. "RE: Karr still under investigation!"
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   Yes, mBm I agree. I also think it's significant that the Feds are releasing this info. I suspect they are doing it for a reason....possibly looking for the public to contact them with tips, etc.


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5. "RE: Karr still under investigation!"
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   I am so glad to hear that John Ramsey said he is willing to be in the public eye. That is the attention this case needs. It still bothers me that Karr signed his yearbook STBC and also that he probably drugged and strangled his first wife. It is hard to find someone to fit that criteria which also fits the case so well. I'm not ready to give up on Karr.


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Ashley
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11-24-06, 06:06 PM (EST)
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6. "RE: Karr still under investigation!"
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   I am. There is just no way he could have known who JonBenet was and have been in Colorado. He's so full of it. I can't stand to even look at that creep.

The best thing people can do, imo, is not give him another second of attention, other than a jail cell and keeping him away from children.


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11-24-06, 06:13 PM (EST)
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7. "RE: Karr still under investigation!"
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   I agree with BIZ. I think it is going to be SO important for John to be out in front during this investigation. This is the first time in the last ten years that he actually could be. Afterall, he had a family to care for and an ailing wife. Those had to be his priorities. I wonder how the killer will feel seeing (hopefully) John speak out on his own, without Patsy?


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Mame
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11-24-06, 06:58 PM (EST)
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8. "RE: Karr still under investigation!"
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   John Ramsey is coming up on CCN after the commercial break.


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9. "RE: Karr still under investigation!"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-24-06 AT 07:37 PM (EST)
 
>I agree with BIZ. I think it is going to be SO important
>for John to be out in front during this investigation. This
>is the first time in the last ten years that he actually
>could be. Afterall, he had a family to care for and an
>ailing wife. Those had to be his priorities. I wonder how
>the killer will feel seeing (hopefully) John speak out on
>his own, without Patsy?~Eve

Biz and Eve, this is what I had said in an earlier post.

..."And if that means he has to be in the public eye, he'll do that."~Moriarty

I'm glad to hear this. I think he's doing the right thing.~mBm

And Biz, I agree with you completely when you say,

"I am so glad to hear that John Ramsey said he is willing to be in the public eye. That is the attention this case needs. It still bothers me that Karr signed his yearbook STBC and also that he probably drugged and strangled his first wife. It is hard to find someone to fit that criteria which also fits the case so well. I'm not ready to give up on Karr."~Biz

The things you mention are only a few of the things I can't dismiss about Karr. Such as the similarity of his handwriting to the RN, the prolific use of explanation points in one of his yearbook signings, his first wife's claim that he signed letters to her with S.B.T.C., the sighting of the dark-colored (black?) Jaguar near the murder scene, his proficiency with a computer (porn pals on the Internet?)--these are only a few of the things that come to mind.

Maybe the investigation is heading in the right direction at last!




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10. "RE: Karr still under investigation!"
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   Ashley, I understand how you feel. However, no matter how disgusting the guy is, we need to examine every point of interest with a microscope.

There definitely IS a way he could have known who JonBenet was. He was deep into computers and pornography. He could very easily have found something on the Internet about the Pageants, or, he could have known about JB through the pageant she entered in Atlanta. Or, he could have found an Internet buddy with similar interests to his (child porn) who was aware of JB through all her pageant competitions. There are many ways he could have learned about her.

As for his being in Colorado, even though his ex-wife furnished him an alibi for Christmas 1996 at first, she then hesitated on that when she apparently was unable to offer proof of her claim. If he wasn't with his wife and family, why couldn't he have been in Colorado? Especially if he had "business" to attend to there?

Yes, he is revolting and repulsive. But the person who killed JonBenet was both, and even more.


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11. "RE: Karr still under investigation!"
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   Sorry, mBm. Thanks for pointing that out for me. So, I agree with YOU and BIZ about John being in the public eye being a good thing. It's just hard to concentrate when I don't feel very well, and then I read a post or so and miss others. I probably shouldn't even post at all until I'm well. Don't feel bad though, mBm, yesterday I got REALLY screwed up on the Morris Murder Forum.


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12. "RE: Karr still under investigation!"
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   His wife and he were estranged at that time. She said she feels very sure he was with her but she can't say absolutely. To this day, the DA's office has been unable to confirm his whereabouts between Dec. 23rd(?) and the 2nd of January.

His neighbor said he remembered that year that Karr's wife and children had gone on ahead and that Karr told him he would be meeting them in Atlanta. Did he ever really go to Atlanta that year?

He may not have had the Jag registered to his name until '97, but that doesn't mean he wasn't driving it.

I think he's a sick nut who wanted attention, but I do think they need to confirm his whereabouts on the 25th. His handwriting looked very similar to me.


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13. "RE: Karr still under investigation!"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-24-06 AT 09:53 PM (EST)
 
I have to agree he needs to be checked out fully. A nut? Crazy? What do we expect, Superman? Any human who would kidnap, torture and murder a young child is not someone normal.

To me Karr has never been a typical "false confessor". I've not found one case where a false confessor, especially in a famous case, doesn't call LE to confess...Karr never did that. He found a third party to confess to.

Is he guilty? Hell, if I know...but, thank goodness the Feds are taking him seriously...at least we'll know for sure whether to rule him in or out.


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14. "RE: Karr still under investigation!"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-25-06 AT 02:53 AM (EST)
 
Good points. But his dna didn't match that of what was found on her body. He's not the guy, imo. He's just insane and wishes he would have known her and possibly have been the one who killed her. He's a schizophrenic and I believe he may have believed he did it for a while.

My Grandmother was one and claimed she was going to marry the President and many other bizarre things, she really believed they were true. I think that is the case with Karr. He lives in a fantasy land.

They've checked him out. They may never know how he spent that Christmas, but it couldn't have been at the Ramsey home, imo. I could be wrong of course, I just don't see how it's possible he would have known all the things the killer knew and why he would have targeted John Ramsey and asked for a small amount of money. It dosen't add up to me. I've always thought that if it would have been a stranger, he would have taken her out of the house and no one ever would have found her body.

I really don't know how he could walk around all these years without someone realizing how sick he is. He should be locked up as we speak, he is very ill but not a killer.


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15. "New York Post"
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   New York Post

JONBENET NUT STILL 'SUSPECT'

By TODD VENEZIA

November 25, 2006 -- Creepy kid-lover John Mark Karr may have been set free as a bird after DNA failed to link him to the killing of JonBenet Ramsey - but a new report says authorities still think he may have had some role in the 6-year-old beauty queen's horrific death.

The federal government is investigating Karr for a link to JonBenet, and fears that he may have been part of some larger conspiracy to kill her, a prober told the CBS news show "48 Hours Mystery" in an episode airing tonight at 10 p.m.

CBS reporter Erin Moriarty says the feds are still suspicious about Karr because of the way he talked about the killing and his love of little girls in e-mail letters to a University of Colorado journalism professor named Michael Tracey.

"He is still being investigated for two reasons," Moriarty said. "Because much of what he put on e-mail and said to Michael Tracey has panned out, and there could be children who could be harmed by John Mark Karr."


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16. "Studious?"
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   >Because much of what he put on e-mail and said to Michael Tracey has panned out

If someone has studied the tabloids in a case of great public interest, that which he will say will indeed contain a good bit that "pans out".

It doesn't make him a credible source at all.


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Mame
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17. "RE: Studious?"
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   I trust the feds are far better equipped than you or I to judge the validity of Karr's information.


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18. "RE: Studious?"
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   I agree with Don. We all could be suspects too for everything we know about the case. Jameson knows it all. Karr being obsessed the way he is and having access to a computer he knows what we all know and then some.

Conspiracy talk makes me very uncomfortable. Karr is a loner, not part of some child sex ring that targeted JOnBenet in this manner and stopped with her? Hasn't anyone wondered why there has never been another killing like this one?

It was a one time shot for the perp becasue he KNEW the Ramsey's so well. They have always gone down the wrong road in this case, and again, they seem to have no answers and nothing regarding this poor child's murder.


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19. "Conspiracies"
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   >Conspiracy talk makes me very uncomfortable. Karr is a
>loner, not part of some child sex ring that targeted
>JOnBenet in this manner and stopped with her? Hasn't anyone
>wondered why there has never been another killing like this
>one?

Conspiracies can involve many different objectives. The people involved in a conspiracy can have different motives for their involvement. For one, it might be an obsession with the object of the conspiracy. For another, it could be jealousy or contempt for the parents. There could be many other reasons for being a part of a conspiracy, if that is what it was. But, when all those involved converge, it doesn't matter what each individual reason might be. The objective of the conspiracy is the same.

Perhaps the reason for there not being another killing like this one is that the people involved in the conspiracy do not have another common cause that would bring them together again.

>It was a one time shot for the perp becasue he KNEW the
>Ramsey's so well. They have always gone down the wrong road
>in this case, and again, they seem to have no answers and
>nothing regarding this poor child's murder.

Granted, someone involved did know the Ramseys very well. Is it so far fetched that that someone could have been a part of a conspiracy?

>>I really don't know how he could walk around all these years without someone realizing how sick he is. He should be locked up as we speak, he is very ill but not a killer.<<

Didn't Wendy realize he was sick and possibly a killer? Didn't she try to alert authorities to him and his obsession with JB?

Another case of LE turning a blind eye. IMO.


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20. "RE: Conspiracies"
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   If someone has studied the tabloids in a case of great public interest, that which he will say will indeed contain a good bit that "pans out".

It doesn't make him a credible source at all.

This is assuming that every bit of info about this case is "out there" as Mary Lacy claimed. I, for one, don't happen to believe it. It could very well be that Karr mentioned things that were never released to the public. Just because we know a lot doesn't mean we know it all. Whatever Karr might have told LE could have kept him firmly under the "umbrella" without giving the DA enough to feel confident going to trial.

--pony


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21. "RE: Conspiracies"
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   Does anyone know where Karr is now? Are the Feds keeping an eye on him? I know he left Georgia and went to Alabama and then left Alabama and no one knew where he went.


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22. "RE: Passport"
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   I heard somewhere that he had applied for a passport. It gets him out of this country but he surely will be a problem with whatever country he decides to move to.
LE messed up bad by losing evidence. They owe it to the public to get more info on him to put him away where he belongs. There is no way that this guy is completely innocent, IMO. He has a history somewhere.


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23. "RE: Passport"
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   >I heard somewhere that he had applied for a passport. It
>gets him out of this country but he surely will be a problem
>with whatever country he decides to move to.
>LE messed up bad by losing evidence. They owe it to the
>public to get more info on him to put him away where he
>belongs. There is no way that this guy is completely
>innocent, IMO. He has a history somewhere.

Yes, I think the fact that he made a complete confession to Tracey tells me that there is a whole lot more to his story. The confession was so gruesome that Erin Moriarty would not go into it. So, IMO, there is no way he can be completely innocent. I think he does have a history, most of which is related to JonBenet.



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24. "RE: Conspiracies"
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   >Does anyone know where Karr is now? Are the Feds keeping an
>eye on him? I know he left Georgia and went to Alabama and
>then left Alabama and no one knew where he went.

A local (Atlanta) tv station interviewed John Karr last night. He is living in Georgia, perhaps in a house owned by his father. The area (Grant Park) is very close to both the Atlanta Zoo and the Atlanta Pen. Karr would be at home in either environment.


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