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"Three Cold Cases Near Boulder"
 
   LAST EDITED ON 11-29-06 AT 07:49 PM (EST)
 
Tracy Neef

From Jan 9, 1997 edition of the Boulder Planet:
The sheriff recalled his unsuccessful investigation into the 1983 murder of 7-year old Tracy Neef, kidnapped from a Thornton school yard and found dead near Nederland's Barker Reservoir. she also had been sexually assaulted, and despite an extensive investigation, her killer was never found.

And from:http://p076.ezboard.com/fmissing87975frm64.showMessage?topicID=25.topic
Tracy Neef: How did 7-year-old Tracy Marie Neef vanish from her elementary school and end up dead a quarter-mile west of Barker Dam near Nederland? It's a homicide that has puzzled investigators since the morning of March 16, 1984.
That's when Tracy's mother dropped her first-grader off at Bertha Heid Elementary School in Thornton. But school officials reported that Tracy never attended school that day. Her body was found around 5 p.m. about 30 feet from a road off Boulder County 119.

Marilee Burt

Burt was walking home from a friend's house when she was murdered on Feb. 27, 1970. The 15-year-old was found strangled under a bridge on Deer Creek Canyon Road, southwest of Littleton. An autopsy report showed that she had been sexually assaulted and struck on the head by a blunt instrument.
Marilee, a member of the prominent Burt automobile family, had attended a middle school basketball game with her best friend when she decided to walk home from her friend's house. The best clue investigators uncovered was 10 feet of rope that apparently was used to strangle her.

Authorities thought they had a break in the case in 1981, when they briefly detained a man with a history of sexual assaults on girls. Ronald Bloom gave police a sample of his hair on May 31, 1981, so police could compare it with hair found in the rope at the crime scene.

Notice that is the same bridge where Alie Bereltz was found.


Alie Berrelez

Berrelez was playing with her baby brother in front of her family's Englewood apartment complex when she was kidnapped May 18, 1993. For four days, police combed the metro area before Yogi, a common-looking bloodhound, led police to the girl's body near the mouth of Deer Creek Canyon.
Alie's body was concealed in a duffel bag and dumped into a ravine. Police questioned Nicholas R. Stofer as a possible suspect, but Stofer eventually was cleared from suspicion.

Out of her death came the Alie Foundation, an advocacy group that buys bloodhounds for police departments.


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  RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder DonBradley 11-29-06 1
     RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder Mikiemoderator 11-29-06 2
         RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder mBm 11-29-06 3
             RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder Mikiemoderator 11-29-06 4
                 RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder mBm 11-29-06 5
                     RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder BIZ 11-29-06 7
                 RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder Mikiemoderator 11-29-06 8
             RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder BIZ 11-29-06 6
                 RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder Mikiemoderator 11-29-06 9
                     RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder mBm 11-29-06 10
                         RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder Mikiemoderator 11-29-06 11
                             RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder Mame 11-29-06 12
                                 RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder Mikiemoderator 11-29-06 13
                                     RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder Evening2 11-30-06 14
                                         RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder Ashley 11-30-06 15
                                             RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder Evening2 11-30-06 16
                                             RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder mBm 11-30-06 17
                                             RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder Mikiemoderator 11-30-06 18
  RE: Three Cold Cases Near Boulder Mikiemoderator 11-30-06 19
  RE: Three Cold Cases Near Boulder Mikiemoderator 11-30-06 20
     RE: Three Cold Cases Near Boulder mBm 11-30-06 21

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DonBradley
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1. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   I don't know if the implication in 'three cold cases near Boulder' is that the perpetrator of one of them may have 'graduated' to a more daring and notorious crime. Perhaps one could take 'three cold cases from Alaska' and be closer to the truth. I don't know.

To the extent that the statistics indicate a resident of the immediate neighborhood, perhaps some fairly nearby cases are indeed relevant. And if you expand 'resident of the neighborhood' both geographically and temporally, you get far more suspects. You even get the McReynolds who used to live three miles away years before the crime.

Standard police work would be to check the known perverts and then check the suspected perverts who had come to the attention of police in other cases but against whom a case had never been sufficiently established. Ofcourse, the BPD and the phrase 'standard police work' does seem strangely incompatible.


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2. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   The implication is simply that JonBenet was one of many.


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3. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   >The implication is simply that JonBenet was one of many.

Mikie, do you find it unusual that there are so many (unsolved) child killings in the immediate Boulder area? I do.


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4. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-29-06 AT 02:45 PM (EST)
 
>>The implication is simply that JonBenet was one of many.
>
>Mikie, do you find it unusual that there are so many
>(unsolved) child killings in the immediate Boulder area? I
>do.

Absolutely. As I understand it, there was an ongoing task force, including the DA's from the five counties including Boulder, studying the large numbers of missing and murdered children, at the time JonBenet was killed.

What I intend to do is to show how they are all related with astrological charts (eclipses, for example) and Satanic or other ritual dates.


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5. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   >>Mikie, do you find it unusual that there are so many
>>(unsolved) child killings in the immediate Boulder area? I
>>do.
>
>Absolutely. As I understand it, there was an ongoing task
>force, including the DA's from the five counties including
>Boulder, studying the large numbers of missing and murdered
>children, at the time JonBenet was killed.
>
>What I intend to do is to show how they are all related with
>astrological charts (eclipses, for example) and Satanic or
>other ritual dates.

This is so very interesting and perturbing. To hear the BPD tell it, JB's was a very isolated case. In fact, they went so far as to say hers was the FIRST killing in Boulder for that year.

Although it might be true that it was the first for the city of Boulder proper, they kept very quiet about there being a task force from the DA's office and five counties studying the large numbers of missing and murdered children at the time JB was killed.

How they managed to keep all this hidden yet reveal so much about the investigation itself tells me that the investigators in this case had but one goal, and that was to charge the parents with their child's murder. To achieve their goal it was imperative that any other information about other killings in the area remain under wraps.


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7. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-30-06 AT 08:55 AM (EST)
 
>How they managed to keep all this hidden yet reveal so much
>about the investigation itself tells me that the
>investigators in this case had but one goal, and that was to
>charge the parents with their child's murder. To achieve
>their goal it was imperative that any other information
>about other killings in the area remain under wraps.
Yes, and that REALLY MAKES ME ANGRY now realizing that they had evidence to prove otherwise within a month of the crime!!! If anyone has cause for a huge lawsuit it is John Ramsey. To actually live with the most horrific event anyone could endure and then to be accused of the crime......sometimes I wonder why the Ramsey's didn't just give up and commit suicide (which would have just given credence to the media's attack)..I am so glad they didn't but I would think the pain would just be too unbearable.. I DO believe that the pain and stress Patsy suffered caused her cancer to return.


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8. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-29-06 AT 08:31 PM (EST)
 
>What I intend to do is to show how they are all related with
>astrological charts (eclipses, for example) and Satanic or
>other ritual dates.


Here are the charts for two of the three cases:

Marilee Burt:

Tracy Neef:

Look at the chart for Marilee. Although the Sun was not opposite the Moon, it was about to conjunct Venus.

And then look at the chart for Tracy. The Sun was opposite the Moon, which is an "eclipse" condition. It also is about to conjunct Mercury.

The charts are for noon on the day they were missing.


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6. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   >>The implication is simply that JonBenet was one of many.
>
>Mikie, do you find it unusual that there are so many
>(unsolved) child killings in the immediate Boulder area? I
>do.
mbm---I think this is a very valid point here. I find it extremely unusual. In the Tampa Bay Area we had a shrimper who met a woman at a bar, went to her house, drugged her, they all fell asleep with her daughter in her bed and when she woke up both her daughter and the man she met at the bar were gone. After finding out that he had a past record for child molestation, Sheriff deputies went to his house and then tracked him down to a boat ramp nearby. The media and the sheriff met him at the boat ramp to question him (this was all in the same day!) and he denied seeing the girl. However witnesses said he launched his boat very early in the morning carrying something to the boat under a tarp. Volunteers searched those waters for months and never found her. Willie Craine emphatically denied having anything to do with her disappearance. They searched his home and found nothing....except for a microscopic piece of DNA (blood) on the toilet seat which turned out to be that of the missing girl. I thought he might get off without a body, but he didn't.
Look what LITTLE evidence this case had and how MUCH evidence the JBR case had. There is absolutely no reason that this case should not have been solved....NONE!


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9. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-29-06 AT 09:32 PM (EST)
 
Here is the chart for Alie on the day she was abducted:

And here is the chart for two days later. The Sun and Moon were conjunct...a solar eclipse.


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10. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   Mikie, I'm not going to pretend that I understand what you're getting at with your astrological findings, because I don't. I just trust that you have valid reasoning in presenting your findings. So, now if you'll just explain what that reasoning is (lol). Thanks.


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11. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-29-06 AT 09:49 PM (EST)
 
>Mikie, I'm not going to pretend that I understand what
>you're getting at with your astrological findings, because I
>don't. I just trust that you have valid reasoning in
>presenting your findings. So, now if you'll just explain
>what that reasoning is (lol). Thanks.


Sure. My hypothesis is that there is an astrological timing involved in the murder of the children.

The reports by Romans indicates that the human sacrifices were controlled by Celtic priests, who directed when and how the victims were to be sacrificed. The method is essentially lost to history because the Celtic priests were killed and they did not practice writing. But I think there was a method that they practiced timing of human sacrifices in additon to method, and the timing has to do with conjunctions by the Sun and Moon...eclipses and conjunctions of those with the planets. It might be more complex, but I am not sure. By astrology one can predict eclipses and conjunctions easily.

We know many sacrifices were burned...also many were also killed by garrote, head bash, and drowning in bogs. The method of JonBenet's killing mimics that of Lindow Man, who is presumed to be a human sacrifice around 50 AD. Tollund Man was similarly "sacrificed", or so it appears.

So the basic idea is that these victims, killed and sexually abused, are victims of a person who was practicing such ancient ways. If so, then there would be a correllation between eclipses and conjunctions, and the timing that the children were murdered.

So as you can see from the charts I posted, there were such occurrences (eclipses or conjunctions) soon after the children were abducted.

It is possible that they are simply coincidences, I am aware of that. But so far, three out of three is not bad, considering the probabilities.


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12. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   The cases may have similarities...however, Littleton and Englewood are not all that close to Boulder. Littleton is where Columbine High School is and Englewood (if I'm not mistaken) is a suburb of Denver.

BJ Plasket did a wonderful investigative report on Colorado's unsolved murder cases. I believe it was broken down by county. You could look at the Longmont Times in the archives. It was a very interesting series and I think won awards.


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13. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   The three cases are within an hour's drive of Boulder. Two of the bodies were left at the same bridge.


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14. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   >The three cases are within an hour's drive of Boulder. Two
>of the bodies were left at the same bridge.

near Nederland where two of the suspects in the Ramsey case just happened to live.


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15. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   Didn't Bill and Janet live in Nederland? There was a young girl, I think Beers, was her last name. She was found strangled and blungeoned near that bridge. A rope around her wrist, like JonBenet.

Her Mother dropped her off at school and she never made it in.


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16. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   Yes, they did live in Nederland/Rollinsville. The little girl you speak of is one of the ones Mikie has listed upthread.

I am told the cabin occupied by the McReynolds had no plumbing.


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17. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   So, if there is a bridge, it probably went over a river. And if they had no plumbing, they might have used the river for any number of purposes, such as bathing, washing clothes, etc.

So, the point being, they were very familiar with the area around the river.


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18. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Bolder"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-30-06 AT 09:49 PM (EST)
 
The bridge as I understand it is on the way from Boulder to Nederland. I don't know if it is actually near Nederland.

see map in later post


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19. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Boulder"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-30-06 AT 11:44 AM (EST)
 
Regarding Tracy Neef, the lunar eclipse occurred at 3:10 am March 17, the morning AFTER she was killed. (Her body was found at 5pm on the 16th.) So that does not jive with my hypothesis. Also the conjunction with Mercury was several days later.

Maybe her murder was related to St. Patricks Day?

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Observed by Irish people
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St. Patrick's Day 2004 in Cork, Ireland.Saint Patrick's Day (Irish: Lá 'le Pádraig or Lá Fhéile Pádraig), colloquially Paddy's Day, is the feast day which annually celebrates Saint Patrick (386-493), the patron saint of Ireland, on March 17. It is a national holiday in the Republic of Ireland (a bank holiday in Northern Ireland); the overseas territory of Montserrat; and the Canadian province of Newfoundland and Labrador.

Saint Patrick's Day is celebrated worldwide by Irish people and increasingly by many of non-Irish descent. Celebrations are generally themed around all things green and Irish; both Christians and non-Christians celebrate the secular version of the holiday by wearing green, eating Irish food and imbibing Irish drink, and attending parades. The St. Patrick's Day parade in Dublin, Ireland is part of a five day festival, with over 500,000 people attending the 2006 parade. The largest St. Patrick's Day parade is held in New York City and it is watched by 2 million spectators. The St. Patrick's day parade was first held in New York City on March 17, 1756 when the Irish soldiers marched through the city. Parades also take place in other Irish towns and villages. Other large parades include those in Belfast, Manchester, Birmingham, London, Coatbridge, Montreal, Boston, Chicago, Kansas City, Savannah, Denver, Sacramento, and Scranton and Toronto. Large parades also take place in other places throughout Europe and the Americas, as well as Australia and Asia.


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20. "RE: Three Cold Cases Near Boulder"
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