The primary reason Jill wouldn't leave her friend's side is because she knew who the assailant was. She didn't feel either of them was in danger for their lives, even though she was still afraid. And, also, she didn't think the perp would assault her friend with her looking on. But he did. Why, then, didn't he assault her? I think (and this is just my opinion) that the perp could have had her any time he wanted; in fact, he had already had her many times over. But his object this time was her friend.

I think Jill was too scared to reveal who the perp was, so she went along with the story that was given to her to tell, i.e., that she didn't recognize the perp.

Since she is now working as a counselor (I believe someone said that she is), I think she drifted to a field where she thought she could be of some help to other girls who were in her situation, and that is having been molested as a young child.

It would be a big help if we knew who the friend was and if she would be willing to talk. But I imagine she's put this whole episode in her past and doesn't want to reopen old wounds. I would hope, however, that if she thought her story might shed some light on JB's death, that she would come forward with her story.

Its not just a Hollywood scriptwriter who could come up with such things. They do happen in real life. Even a little girl can realize that by staying although she is taking a risk she is exerting a pressure that may avoid his disposing of his victim.

In playing channel roulette I came across a prosecutor's summation about a brave little girl who knew this was a one-way trip and who left her museum button hidden in the car as evidence. Maybe she was bright and ultimately right in her actions. Maybe it was a simple accident. I don't know for sure.

The two girls may have stayed together more out of fear than anything else. I don't see the earlier incident as some sort of 'knew the perpetrator' coverup.

"The two girls were lured into a car and driven to the county side where our daughter witnessed the molestation of her friend. Our daughter probably saved her own life and her friend's by stubbornly resisting the perp's attempts to force her out of the car so he could be alone with the little girl"

mbm is correct. This scenario does not make sense, unless, of course, the perp was Jill's father. Remember, Janet also said, before dropping the girls off, the perp said, "The Devil made me do it." Now there's that Devil again.

How could this silence have been purchased?

Is this what you're asking about, Don? Have you any better answers?

I just can't see Jill crouched in the corner of the car, looking on and doing nothing while her friend was being molested. If he succeeded in molesting the friend while Jill was there, what would be the object of trying to get Jill out of the car (later?) Her being there didn't stop him. If she had fought him (as Eve says) the two of them together might have foiled the attack. There was no mention of any kind of weapon involved. Therefore, I think it's just not human nature to submit to such an attack without putting up some resistance. Yet, there is no mention of the friend resisting.

The whole scenario just reeks of the perp being Jill's dad. That would explain why the friend did not offer any resistance (could have been she was dumbstruck, in awe, and did what the authoritarian adult demanded. She would have felt this way upon discovering that her friend's father would do such a thing. And for these same reasons, she could have withheld this info from the police.)
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This is why it could be eye-opening for her to make a statement regarding the attack.

We don't really know they were "lured" into the car. This is only what Janet has said (so far as we know).

I am so glad you brought these words of Janet's up. We can learn so much from the words of Janet anf Bill. They ARE telling a story. Let's pick their words apart 'til the cows come home! No more excuses, no more coincidences accepted!

Here's the equivalent from the Camera;
http://web.dailycamera.com/extra/ramsey/1997/03/03-1.html

I suspect that they have forgotten all about that night, (12/25-26/96) having erased any bad memories.
"I know I had absolutely nothing to do with it."

I don't understand your last question so can't address it. I don't know what it is you are addressing. Does it make a difference regarding what?

The other question dealt with the "one of two" girls molested: since it is such an unusual incident, but not unknown, should we consider it as less likely to have happened that way if we don't quite trust Janet McReynolds due her very unique and unsupported recollections about that "I don't feel pretty" night.

Mikie, it seems I vaguely remember reading something about the "blue pickup truck". But, on the other hand, I also recall that several reporters tried to find reports on the case but said all such reports had "disappeared". I would think that official police reports would be confidential since the victims were juveniles; however, there must have been newspaper accounts of the crime. I wonder why they could find nothing on the crime???

Edited to add: Mikie, I also don't recall mention of a blue pick-up truck in regard to the molestation of Jill's friend in 1974. Could you direct me to such a reference?

I do happen to recall that McReynolds was very careful to say 'England, Scotland and Wales'. It struck me as a bit odd but very correct and reminded me at the time of the note's 'safe and unharmed'.

The article was NOT from a campus paper and I believe it was from a foreign paper but really can't recall things clearly now.

CU's Santa spreads holiday messages of love, peace

Professional Santa school teaches students to believe in magic of Christmas tradition

By Sara Lewis
Campus Press Staff Writer

When retired journalism Professor Bill McReynolds went to London's Leicester Square last June, he was hoisted onto the shoulders of the British and passed through a crowd chanting "Father Christmas."
While traveling in Portugal three years ago, school children dressed in uniforms went marching past him singing "Jingle Bells."
And in Edinburgh, Scotland, three little girls ran up to him in St. Giles' Church and then lit a candle to say a prayer for Santa.
But one glance at McReynolds explains all the hype. With a long, curly white beard and a lovable personality, all that is missing is a red sleigh and eight tiny reindeer.
Mistaken identity
"Everywhere I go I am constantly approached and called Santa," McReynolds said. "Christmas is every day for Santa."
McReynolds continues to teach Mass Communication History at CU, but during the holiday season, he roams the Pearl Street Mall dressed in his bright red suit, bringing messages of love and simplicity to his wide-eyed admirers.
McReynolds, who has been one of Boulder's Santas for four years, first came up with the ambition after performing in "Les Miserables" at his church.
"The director said I could choose any personality that I wanted to, so I decided to play a tavern keeper with a stubbly beard," McReynolds said. "Well, the play kept going, my beard got longer -- it was white -- and people started calling me Santa."
Two years later, McReynolds decided to go to Santa school to earn a degree in "Santa Clausing." He attended Susen Mesco's American Events & Promotions Professional Santa Claus School in the Denver area.
Attitude counts
"We're looking for what is on the inside," Mesco said. "If they have the right attitude on the inside we can make them look like a Santa on the outside.
"Our goal is to teach them how to believe in the magic."
Mesco, whose school is the second largest in the nation, said she gets at least 500 applications a year. Mesco accepts about 100 applicants, and about 50 decide to actually go through the program and graduate. Students attend a two-day convention, receiving 36 hours of training in Santa Claus techniques.
"Santa School taught me all kinds of things," McReynolds said. "You have to be on your mettle all of the time because you never know what they are going to ask."
The school's coursework includes memorization of "'Twas the Night Before Christmas," the history of Santa Claus, learning the 100 impossible situations and questions asked by children, "Sant-Ercise" classes for Santa and children, perfecting Santa's "Ho! Ho! Ho!" and North Pole carnival games.
Guest speakers also are brought in to work with the potential Santas on their nutrition and physical fitness, and also to learn American Sign Language, costuming, make-up, acting and child psychology.
The Santa oath
"One of the things we do is make them cut out paper snowflakes," Mesco said. "When these guys wrestle with a pair of scissors and a sheet of Xerox paper, they realize the time and effort children put into making these special crafts."
After videotaping their first encounter with children and passing a written and oral exam, the Santas take an oath, receive their Santa smile ring, white gloves and a diploma in Professional Santa Clausing.
One of the most important things Santa should never do is make promises to the children, McReynolds said. While most Santas have become commercialized, McReynolds tries to convey the true meaning of Christmas to the children.
"I tell the children that Santa only really believes in simple gifts," McReynolds said. "The simplest gifts are love, joy and peace.
"This year Santa also wants contentment for everyone -- not so much distress -- and civility."
Being Santa also has its challenges. In 1993, McReynolds was attacked by a group of teenagers while doing his rounds on the mall. This incident occurred the same year that many Santas in Colorado received death threats and had to be removed from the malls. But with help from a police escort, McReynolds continued to make his rounds. He said the biggest obstacle comes from those who don't have the true holiday spirit.
"Some people get really distraught that the Santa spirit is not as prevalent as it should be," McReynolds said. "One woman was convinced my beard was fake and practically pulled me to the ground trying to take it off."
McReynolds still feels the job is rewarding.
"The children -- just looking at them and having them look up at me -- it's like I'm surrounded by angels," he said. "They are so trusting of me. There is nothing else like it in the world."

As for the truck, I cannot find the reference.

I know, I have been looking for it and am unable to find it. I found this article which gives a little more information (Longmont, someone was taken into custody (does it mean "arrested"?) but released):
http://www.longmontfyi.com/ramsey/storyDetail97.asp?ID=63

"The McReynoldses' 9-year-old daughter and her 10-year-old friend were abducted on Thursday, Dec. 26, 1974, while they were walking in east Longmont, where the 10-year-old lived.

Police reports said one girl was molested while the other one watched. Longmont police canvassed the neighborhood and later took a man into custody, but he was never prosecuted."

Here's a map I made for another thread, (Longmont is north of Boulder):

Its also possible to look for headlines about 'missing kids' or 'found dead' or something and see if any exist.

I believe one New Mexico cop grew suspicious of a rape suspect in New Mexico and simply called a California police agency and inquired of them about 'missing or murdered females' for a particular time period and general geographic area. The agency he happened to call was not one that handled the case of the young BYU student who was abducted from an apartment complex parking lot but he knew of the case and that started the New Mexico suspect being the focus of the California rape/murder case.

Don, would you do some research regarding the countries visited during the "dates" mentioned as well as vacation time during those time frames? I clearly think you are better with international research than I am, that's for sure.

I believe I read somewhere that the story of the molestation came to light when two reporters discovered it had taken place. When they attempted to learn more about the event, they found that all evidence of the attack had been hidden/destroyed/whatever. In other words, there were no police reports regarding the attack. Could it have been in this report that a mention of a blue pickup was made?

Were the McReynolds living in Longmont then? I just don't see why you would think it was Bill.

Also, regarding the blue truck...I vaguely remember it from a Joshua7 post but cannot be certain. I just remember the image in my visual memory. I have tried to remember more specifically, where I read that, but I cannot.

Regarding missing persons, there is a Jane Doe, found in 1993.
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PubCaseSearchServlet?act=viewChildDetail&caseNum=400070&orgPrefix=NCMU&seqNum=1&caseLang=en_US&searchLang=en_US

DOUGLAS COUNTY UNIDENTIFIED
Case Type: Unidentified
DOB: Sex: Female
Missing Date: Jun 15, 1993 Race: White
Age Now: 27-34 Height: 5'7" (170 cm)
Missing City: Weight: 150 lbs (68 kg)
Missing State : CO Hair Color: Blonde
Missing Country: United States Eye Color: Unknown

Case Number: NCMU400070
Circumstances: The body of this unidentified female was found on June 15, 1993 in the Pike National Forest, between Woodland Park and Deckers off Highway 67, at the Rainbow Falls campground in Douglas County, Colorado. She was estimated to have been deceased since June 12 or 13, 1993. The decedent was wearing only a black short-sleeve "Harley Davidson" t-shirt, a gold pinkie ring, a gold necklace with a black stone pendant cut like a long crystal, a gold necklace with a pendant consisting of wizards hands holding a spherical brown tiger eye, and a stud earring with a clear glass stone. She had no dental restorations or repairs.

As far as missing or murdered during certain time frames, the ones we're looking for are any in those countries Bill and Janet visited.

What dates are we looking for? June, 1992 and June, 1995?

There are only three cases in the UK of missing children in that timeframe. One is a runaway, one is a family abduction, and the third is this one:

FATIMA HASSANI
Case Type: Endangered Runaway
DOB: Feb 11, 1979 Sex: Female
Missing Date: May 11, 1995 Race: Unknown
Age Now: 27 Height: 5'6" (168 cm)
Missing City: MANCHESTER Weight: Unknown
Missing State : ENGLAND Hair Color: Brown
Missing Country: United Kingdom Eye Color: Brown

Case Number: UK0406110595
Circumstances: Went missing from her home in Chorlton on Medlock, Manchester. Fatima is of Arabic appearance. Anyone with any information about Fatima should contact Greater Manchester Police. Tel. 0161 872 5050

However, my thinking is that travels would be to "get away" after a crime, rather than to commit a crime.

That's good thinking, Mikie. Better check both ways.

However, I do know that the database is not complete. I recall a girl from Ireland was missing pre 2000, but the database only shows back to 2005.

Looking the other way, there are only two cases in the database during that time period.

One is a guy, 15 at the time, missing April 30, 1992

View Poster

Case Handled By:

National Center for Missing & Exploited Children

IAN ASHLEY RICHARDSON

Age Progression
Case Type: Endangered Missing
DOB: Mar 19, 1976 Sex: Male
Missing Date: Apr 30, 1992 Race: White/Hisp
Age Now: 30 Height: 5'10" (178 cm)
Missing City: DENVER Weight: 150 lbs (68 kg)
Missing State : CO Hair Color: Brown
Missing Country: United States Eye Color: Brown

Case Number: NCMC941508
Circumstances: Ian's photo has been age progressed to 26 years old. The child was 15 years old when we he went missing. He was last seen on April 30, 1992 in the Denver, Colorado area.

The other is the woman, posted above, the Jane Doe, body found June15, 1993, in Douglas County, which I think is south of Boulder and Denver, like Co Springs.

DOUGLAS COUNTY UNIDENTIFIED
Case Type: Unidentified
DOB: Sex: Female
Missing Date: Jun 15, 1993 Race: White
Age Now: 27-34 Height: 5'7" (170 cm)
Missing City: Weight: 150 lbs (68 kg)
Missing State : CO Hair Color: Blonde
Missing Country: United States Eye Color: Unknown

Case Number: NCMU400070
Circumstances: The body of this unidentified female was found on June 15, 1993 in the Pike National Forest, between Woodland Park and Deckers off Highway 67, at the Rainbow Falls campground in Douglas County, Colorado. She was estimated to have been deceased since June 12 or 13, 1993. The decedent was wearing only a black short-sleeve "Harley Davidson" t-shirt, a gold pinkie ring, a gold necklace with a black stone pendant cut like a long crystal, a gold necklace with a pendant consisting of wizards hands holding a spherical brown tiger eye, and a stud earring with a clear glass stone. She had no dental restorations or cavities.

JENNIFER LYNN FAY
Case Type: Non Family Abduction
DOB: Dec 25, 1972 Sex: Female
Missing Date: Nov 14, 1989 Race: White
Age Now: 34 Height: 5'4" (163 cm)
Missing City: BROCKTON Weight: 90 lbs (41 kg)
Missing State : MA Hair Color: Blonde
Missing Country: United States Eye Color: Blue

Case Number: NCMC762300
Circumstances: Jennifer's photo is shown age-progressed to 32 years. She was last seen leaving her home. She has a scar over her eyebrow.

JENNIFER LYNN FAY-------JENNIFER FAY AGE PROGRESSED-------UNIDENTIFIED JANE DOE

Although the face of the progressed photo is very similar to the unidentified, the real photo teeth and hair color are off. So, although close, it is not a definite match. Also, the eye color appears to be wrong in the database (brown, not blue), although they show brown on the unidentified image.

What do you think?

One more thing about Fay:
http://www.forthelost.org/jfay.html
"Theories:I think Jennifer ran away initially (she was a rebellious teen according to accounts) and became a victim of foul play at some later time. I am skeptical of reports that foul play happened the day of disappearance at the hands of an acquaintance because they have come long after the fact and with few details. In this case, her remains could be anywhere across the country, so a search of unidentifed victims around her age may lead us to Fay."

update 2/3/07:
I emailed the three pictures above to the Doe Network and they are going to examine it carefully and consider sending it to LE. However, there could be a problem with timing. There is some evidence that Fay might have died soon after running away, which would rule out this match.

Lorraine Lawrence, Michael Helgoth, Susannah Chase, as well as the three homeless men Daniel Julian,(July 97), Thomas Lemmon, (Aug 97), and David Emmett Simpson (aka "Mad Dog", Sept 97) who witnessed a big man carrying a child on Christmas night on Baseline road, all died in Boulder in 1997, and those deaths could be related to the Ramsey case. (Lawrence, who died Dec. 5, 1996, was a former Ramsey housekeeper, Helgoth, who died Feb. 14, 1997, was psychologically linked to the case, and Chase, who died Dec. 21, 1997, was bludgeoned in a manner similar to Lawrence.)

In addition, I have a suspicion that National Enquirer reporter David Duffy (died Feb 27, 1997) and journalist Charles Kuralt (died July 4, 1997)might also have been murdered due to their association with the case; Duffy died from instant pneumonia (anthraxlike symptoms)in Boulder, soon after Helgoth's death, and Kuralt developed lupus at about the same time as Helgoth's apparent "suicide", (lupus can be drug-induced).

Another death at the time, which I belive is possibly related, was that of the beat writer, William S Burroughs (died Aug. 2, 1997).

I doubt it is possible, ten to forty years later, to prove that any of those 13 or 14 cases are related to the Ramsey case. However, it would be equally impossible to disprove them, either. Therefore I list them as possiblilities, but of course each is debatable.