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  podcasts
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2020, 09:57 AM - Forum: odds and ends - Replies (17)

Many have been made - I want to comment on one posted in 2015 by Generation Why.  JonBenet Ramsey case - 129


They have the layout of the basement wrong - you do NOT have to "go into several rooms' to get to the wine cellar (windowless room).   The truth is that when you leave the stairs, the door to the windowless room is directly in front of you, very easy to find.  The doors between you and the locked door would have been open and of no consequence.

At 19 minutes, they seem to suggest the Ramseys didn't answer questions for YEARS - and that is simply not true. They called 911, they answered all the questions put to them - and at 2 they were told to leave the house, to go with their friends. The police went with them, they were in the house 24/7 and while they did not formally question the parents, they were asking questions. And getting answers. It was the next day, when Mike Bynum got involved, that they finally said no more - - while they went down to give fingerprints and hair and handwriting, they were heavily medicated and simply unable to handle being interrogated by police who had already decided they were guilty. STILL, they did answer questions that came to them in writing - and the police put out press releases saying the Ramseys were cooperating. They went in for formal interviews not years later but months. Just think the podcast was a bit misleading there.


They said that 20 minutes after finding the body John was trying to arrange plane transformation for a BUSINESS trip - - not true.  The family had been told to leave the house - it was now a protected crime scene.  John's first thought was to go "home", to Atlanta, to family, to arrange the funeral and to bury JonBenét next to her sister, Beth.  

They had a "practice note" - - it was just "Mr. and Mrs. I"  - - nothing written and rewritten.

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  OTHER 911 calls
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-06-2020, 08:06 PM - Forum: 911 call - No Replies

T[b]ranscript of Brenda van Dam’s 911 call – Feb. 2, 2002, 09:39 hours[/b]

[b]Dispatcher:[/b] …Emergency, Diane. San Diego Emergency, Diane.
[b]Brenda:[/b] Yes, ma’am, I have an emergency.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] What’s your emergency?
[b]Brenda:[/b] My daughter’s not in her bed this morning. She’s only seven.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] OK.
[b]Brenda:[/b] Um.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] How, when did you find her? Just now?
[b]Brenda:[/b] Just now. I thought she was in there sleeping and I went in there because someone came over I was babysitting and she’s not there.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] What’s your name, ma’am?
[b]Brenda:[/b] Brenda van Dam.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] She doesn’t have any history of running away or anything, right?
[b]Brenda:[/b] No, no, not at all and, and… Oh my gosh.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] All right, take a deep breath, OK?
Brenda (talking away from phone): Did you find her? Is she anywhere?
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] What’s your daughter’s name?
[b]Brenda:[/b] Danielle.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] And her last name is the same?
[b]Brenda:[/b] Van Dam.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] That’s V-A-N-D-A-M, right?
[b]Brenda:[/b] Yes.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] OK. And how old — you said she’s seven. What’s her date of birth?
[b]Brenda:[/b] 9/22/94.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] How tall is she?
[b]Brenda:[/b] Um, I don’t really know… She has brown short hair, we just had it cut, it’s right to her shoulders…Um, she’s probably about 60 pounds. And um, um, I don’t know how tall. I don’t, I just can’t….
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] How tall are you?
[b]Brenda:[/b] (talking away from phone) How tall is she? How tall is she, Damon? I don’t know where she could be. (childrens’ voices in background)
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] OK, how tall are you, ma’am?
[b]Brenda:[/b] I’m five four.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] OK, and, and, and is she how much shorter than you, do you think?
[b]Brenda:[/b] Oh, about…
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] Picture a ruler in your mind.
[b]Brenda:[/b] She comes up to my chest.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] She comes up to your chest?
[b]Brenda:[/b] Yes.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] So she’s probably about four…four foot, probably about, what, eight?
[b]Brenda:[/b] Yeah.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] OK.
[b]Brenda:[/b] Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a little shorter.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] Probably about 60 pounds, right?
[b]Brenda:[/b] Yeah.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] And she’s got brown short hair to the shoulder? And then what color eyes?
[b]Brenda:[/b] Um, they’re green. (Childrens’ voices in background). Oh my gosh.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] It doesn’t look like anybody broke through the house or anything?
[b]Brenda:[/b] Well, last night when I came home, cause I went out with my friends…
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] Uh huh.
[b]Brenda:[/b]…There was a door open on the house and I couldn’t figure out which one it was and it was our side garage door. But, but, um, I didn’t check the bed and um, I came up…
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] (interrupting) About what time did you come home?
[b]Brenda:[/b] I came home about 2. And my husband was home with them. He was home. And he said goodnight to them and I guess he went to sleep. The back door was cracked, he said. The back door and the side garage door, he found the back door cracked. (long silence during which you can hear the dispatcher typing). Oh my gosh.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] And have you checked with any of her friends to see if she’s possibly with them?
[b]Brenda:[/b] (speaking over the dispatcher) Not yet. Not yet. I haven’t.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] OK.
[b]Brenda:[/b] (talking away from phone) Damon?
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] OK, ma’am, we have an officer coming there.
[b]Brenda:[/b] OK.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] If you think of anything else or if you call her friends and find out anything, give us a call right back, OK?
[b]Brenda:[/b] OK.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] OK.
[b]Brenda:[/b] Thank you.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] Take a deep breath and calm down. It sounds like you have other kids there.
[b]Brenda:[/b] I have my husband and two other children and, and my neighbor just brought her kids over. I need to call her so she can come back and get them.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b] OK. Think, think positive thoughts and everything will be OK, OK?
[b]Brenda:[/b] Thank you. Thank you. Bye.
[b]Dispatcher:[/b]Bye.

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  supposedly 9 checked tape
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-05-2020, 09:43 PM - Forum: 911 call - No Replies

There have been 9 audio analyses of the 911 tape used to determine whether there are additional voices that can be recovered from garbled portions of the tape.
Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) (Washington, DC; requested by BPD (1997).
United States Secret Service (Washington, DC); requested by BPD (1997).
Aerospace Corporation (El Segundo, California); requested by BPD (1997).
Los Alamos National Laboratory (Los Alamos, NM); requested informally by Pete Hofstrom.
Legal Audio (New York, NY); requested by MSNBC (2003).
Team Audio (Toledo, OH); requested by MSNBC (2003).
An unnamed company used by CBS.
Professional Audio Laboratories (then in Spring Valley, New York; now headquartered in Park Lawn, NJ); commissioned by Tricia Griffith, forum owner of Websleuths and Forums For Justice.
Internet poster Dave who does not perform such analyses for a living but who professes to have the requisite expertise and equipment to conduct such analyses.

according to a researcher online

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  NE twists
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-05-2020, 09:27 PM - Forum: 911 call - Replies (1)

The National Enquirer Article - April 3, 2001

The following is only a short section of the interview given by John and Patsy Ramsey to the National Enquirer regarding their son, Burke Ramsey and whether he was sleeping or awake during the 911 call the morning of December 26, 1996. Click the link above to read the complete article

April 3, 2001
The National Enquirer - Ramseys change their story about murder night
By David Wright & Don Gentile

"John and Patsy Ramsey have changed the story they told cops about their daughter JonBenet's murder -- they now admit their son Burke was awake during that Christmas 1996 nightmare!

In an exclusive ENQUIRER interview, the nation's most infamous murder suspects say Burke was jolted awake by screams in their Boulder, Colo. home.

"Burke knew something horrible had happened. He heard us screaming. He heard Patsy ...a woman in terror," John confessed. "We thought he was asleep but he wasn't. Burke was awake.

"Burke was frightened. He had tears in his eyes. He knew something very, very wrong was going on."

Until being questioned by The ENQUIRER, the Ramseys had always insisted that Burke was still sleeping when police arrived at their home after Patsy's 911 call.

But now John has admitted to The ENQUIRER that Burke woke up before the 911 call was placed at 5:52 a.m. to summon police."

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  Death of Innocence
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-05-2020, 09:26 PM - Forum: 911 call - No Replies

Death of Innocence
Released on March 17, 2000
Written by John and Patsy Ramsey

Excerpts from the Ramsey's book, "Death of Innocence" that related directly to the 911 call the morning of December 26, 1996 and whether their son, Burke Ramsey was sleeping or awake.

Page 11: ""There's a note downstairs." I can bearly speak. "Someone has taken JonBenet." I feel the blood rushing from my head. For a moment I feel like fainting. "She's gone!" I cry. "JonBenet is gone!" My stomach wrenches.

John tears down the stairs; he seems to be shouting, but nothing makes any sense.

"Burke! John yells. What about Burke?"

Both of us race to Burke's room at the far end of the second floor and find him apparently still sleep. Best not to arouse him until we figure out what's happening here, I think. He's better off asleep for now. I step into the hall.

John runs down the main stairs and into the back hallway. I grasp my stomach and run after him. By the time I get to him he is down on his hands and knees staring at the sheets of paper spread out on the floor in front of him. He is examining the ransom note, under the ceiling lights of the back hall."

Page 12: ""What do we do?" I stammer.
He shouts, "Call the police!"
"Are you sure?"
"Yes, call them!"

"Standing next to the wall phone, I instantly dial 911, and try to make the voice on the other end of the line understand. It is as if she doesn't believe what I am saying. I slam the phone back into its cradle on the wall. Got to have someone here, I think. I dial the Fernies' number. "We need help!" I scream "Please come over here!" I take another deep breath and grab the phone again from it's cradle, dialing the Whites this time. "JonBenet's missing!" I yell"

Page 201: " One of the most creatively written stories came out in August, claiming that they had obtained a copy of the taped conversation when I called 911 early in the morning of December 26, 1996, asking the police to come at once to our house. The tabloids had come up with a new twist. The National Enquirer ran a story saying that our telephone had not been hung up properly and the police had heard additional voices on the 911 tape. The tape, the story said, had been enhanced technologically to produce a message, which supposedly occurred in the hallway area near the kitchen,"

Page 202: "just after I "thought" I hung up the telephone. According to unnamed sources, the Enquirer claimed that you could now hear Burke on the tape saying, "Please, what do I do?" and John replying, "We're not speaking to you." Obviously, if this were true, then John and I had been inaccurate when we testified that we had not awaken Burke or talked with him until later in the morning. Their scenario ran along the lines that we couldn't have possibly forgotten such an important conversation. Therefore, the enhanced tapes were represent a major flaw in our explanations. We must have done something we were trying to cover up. John and I saw the story as another one of those crazy accounts the tabloids kept running on us. We knew it was probably a police leak that in time would be viewed as misinformation. As a matter of fact, an accurate account was later published in Newsweek. The magazine reported that some of the people who had hard the tape - the police - thought they heard Burke's voice, while others said no conversation was hard, even after the tape was enhanced in the lab. Why would the police have had to enhance the tape if the wall phone was off the hook? We wondered."

Page 270: " They also questioned me at some length about the 911 call and wanted to know where Burke was during this time. I told them that he had been asleep in bed until I got him up to go to Fleet White's house."

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  PMPT
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-05-2020, 09:24 PM - Forum: 911 call - No Replies

Perfect Murder, Perfect Town
Released on February 18, 1999
Written by Lawrence Schiller

Excerpts from Lawrence Schiller's book, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" that related directly to the 911 call the morning of December 26, 1996 and whether Burke Ramsey was sleeping or awake during the 911 call.

Page 286: "In February, Detective Trujillo had sent a copy of the tape to the U.S. Secret Service, but their attempt to enhance the recording had not succeeded. Aerospace used a different technology, and voices in the background could now be heard more clearly. Hickman listened to the tape and wrote down what she heard.

"Help me Jesus, help me Jesus." That was clearly Patsy’s voice. Then, in the distance, there was another voice, which sounded like JonBenet’s brother.

"Please, what do I do?" Burke said.

"We’re not speaking to you," Hickman heard John Ramsey say.

Patsy screamed again. "Help me Jesus, help me Jesus."

And then, more clearly, Burke said, "What did you find?"

The snippet of conversation was obviously important. Patsy and John had told the police, and CNN on January 1, that when they found JonBenet missing, they checked Burke's room for their daughter, who sometimes slept there. They had never said what they found in Burkes' room. Later Patsy said they did not awaken Burke until about 7:00 A.M. when her husband roused him to have him taken to the White's house."

Page 523: "On Tuesday, June 9, as agreed, Pete Hofstrom and Dan Schuler traveled to Atlanta to interview Burke Ramsey. In preparation, they consulted the FBI and the Boulder detectives and reviewed the videotape of Burkes' January 8, 1997, interview. The interviews were to be conducted at a local district attornies office and videotaped. On three consecutive days June 10, 11 and 12 for two hours each day JonBenet’s brother would be questioned by Schuler, a police officer with a gift for talking to kids, a cop who didn’t like guns and never carried one."


Page 524: "When Schuler asked Burke if his mother and father had prepared him for the conversation, he said no. Gently Schuler explored whether Burke thought his sister had sometimes been a bad girl and gotten mad at people. They discussed which people she got mad at and whether she had been mean and nasty to those people. Schuler asked Burke if his mother and father ever got really mad at his sister. Burke said he didn't think so. Schuler's most important questions, never asked directly, was whether JonBenet had ever done something to bring about her death. Again Burke answered no. Had she fallen and hit her head? He didn't remember her doing that. The most delicate part of the interview was getting Burke to answer questions without revealing what the police knew. First, he was asked if he ate any pineapple and when he went to bed. He didn't remember. What did he and his father talk about when they played with his Christmas gift that night? Just that it was time for bed. Then Schuler asked what happened after Burke went to bed. Did he have any dreams? Did he hear anything in his sleep? Burke said he had heard voices, in the distance. Maybe it was a dream, maybe not. It was so long ago he said. Without mentioning the 911 tape, Schuler asked Burke when he got up that morning and how he awakened. He did not want the Ramsey's to learn what the police knew. The plan was to confront them about the tape during their own interviews, which would probably take place later in the month. Burke said he remembered waking up and hearing a loud conversation from down the hall or on the front stairs. Maybe his mother had come into his room, but he was sure he stayed in his bed and pretended to sleep. He was concerned while he pretended, he said. Burke told Schuler he was awake when his mother made the phone call. His parents might have thought he was asleep but he wasn't he said. When he was asked if he spoke to his parents that morning before being awaken at seven to be taken to the Whites' house, he said no. He said he had stayed in his room the whole time. The 911 tape seem to say otherwise. Had Burke been coached, or had his thinking changed independently since his January 1997 interview? The detectives wondered."

Page 581: "11. The enhanced 911 tape contradicted the version of the events of that morning told by both Patsy and John Ramsey on several occasions to different police officers."

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  steve thomas book
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-05-2020, 09:21 PM - Forum: 911 call - No Replies

JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation

Released on April 11, 2000
Written by Steve Thomas with Don Davis

Excerpts from Steve Thomas book, "JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation" showing dialog from the 911 call and other information that related directly to the 911 call the morning of December 26, 1996 and whether Burke Ramsey was sleeping or awake.

Page 14: "The first word of what had happened came at 5:52am on the morning after Christmas Day, when Patsy Ramsey dialed the 911 emergency number."

PR: (inaudible) police.
911: (inaudible)
PR: 755 Fifteenth Street
911: What is going on there ma’am?
PR: We have a kidnapping...Hurry, please
911: Explain to me what is going on, ok?
PR: We have a ...There’s a note left and our daughter is gone
911: A note was left and your daughter is gone?
PR: Yes.
911: How old is you daughter?
PR: She is six years old she is blond...six years old
911: How long ago was this?
PR: I don’t know. Just found a note a note and my daughter is missing
911: Does it say who took her?
PR: What?
911: Does it say who took her?
PR: No I don’t know it’s there...there is a ransom note here.
911: It’s a ransom note.
PR: It says S.B.T.C. Victory...please
911: Ok, what’s your name? Are you...
PR: Patsy Ramsey...I am the mother. Oh my God. Please.
911: I’m...Ok, I’m sending an officer over, ok?
PR: Please.
911: Do you know how long she’s been gone?
PR: No, I don’t, please, we just got up and she’s not here. O my God Please.
911: Ok.
PR: Please send somebody.
911: I am, honey.
PR: Please.
911: Take a deep breath (inaudible).
PR: Hurry, hurry, hurry (inaudible).
911: Patsy? Patsy? Patsy? Patsy? Patsy?

Page 15: "The telephone call gave us a cornerstone of evidence, not so much for what was easily heard but for what was found when experts washed out the background noise. It has been my experience as a police officer that such emergency calls are virtually unchallengeable. They are tape-recored, and either something was said or it was not. Tapes can be so powerful that prosecutors regularly play them so a jury can hear the actual voices and emotions of the participants.

In preliminary examinations, detectives thought they could hear some more words being spoken between the time Patsy Ramsey said, "Hurry, hurry, hurry" and when the call was terminated. However, the FBI and the U.S. Secret Service could not lift anything from the background noise on the tape. As a final effort several months later, we contacted the electronic wizards at the Aerospace Corporation in Los Angeles and asked them to try and decipher the sounds behind the noise.

Their work produced a startling conclusion. Patsy apparently had trouble hanging up the telephone, and before it rested on the cradle she was heard to moan, "Help me, Jesus, Help me, Jesus." Her husband was heard to bark, "We're not talking to you." And in the background was a young-sounding voice: "What did you find?" It was JonBenet's brother, Burke.

The Ramseys would repeatedly tell us that their son did not wake up at any point throughout the night of the crime. We knew differently."

Page 317: With his legs pulled up and his chin on his knees, Burke said he played some Nintendo on the afternoon of December 25. When showed a photograph of the pineapple and bowl, he recognized the bowl. That showed it belonged in the house and not brought in by an intruder. He recalled nothing unusual at the Whites' party other than getting a mild shock from the electric deer fence outside. He said his sister fell asleep in the car on the way home but awakened to help carry presents into the house of a friend. When they got home, JonBenet walked in slowly and walked up the spiral stairs to bed, just ahead of Patsy. That was quite a difference from the initial and frequently repeated story that she was carried to bed. I felt that this poor kid was confused and that he really had no idea what had happened that night. He heard the house creaking during the night, he said, and when he awoke, his mother was turning on the lights and in a rush, saying, "Oh my gosh, oh my gosh," then his father turned the lights on and off again. Burke stayed in bed wondering if something had happened. He heard his father trying to calm his mother, then telling her to call the police. Burke told the detective he did not get out of bed that morning and that a policeman looked into his room. He recalled thinking that when the police arrived "we would probably be tied up all day" and that he was disappointed the family would not be going to Charlevoix as planned."

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Posted by: jameson245 - 03-05-2020, 08:48 PM - Forum: December 26th - Replies (1)

Before 6:00 AM
Midnight Neighbor Sees Lights at Ramseys. Around midnight, Scott Gibbons looked out his kitchen window at the Ramsey residence and observed the upper kitchen lights were on and dimmed low (Steve Thomas notes).
 
Between midnight and 1 am, Stewart Long and Melinda Ramsey returned to the home of Lucinda Johnson in Marietta, Georgia (Steve Thomas notes).
 
12:30 AM | The movie that Chris Stanley, Brad Millard and John Andrew Ramsey were watching ended (Steve Thomas notes).
 
1:00 AM |  JAR in Georgia. Brad Millard, Chris Stanley and John Andrew Ramsey returned to the Millard home in Georgia so that John Andrew Ramsey could pick up his mother's vehicle (Steve Thomas notes).
 
?? | Cliff Gaston said he fell asleep on the couch at the White residence (Steve Thomas notes: although time uncertain, this event was listed in this location on Thomas's list, so presumably was sometime in early AM).
 
1:00 AM | Neighbors Adam Vermiere and Luke Vermiere went to bed after watching movies late into the evening. They did not notice or hear anything unusual (Steve Thomas notes).
 
2:00 AM | Neighbor Heard Scream. Neighbor Melody Stanton heard scream (details). Steve Thomas notes place the time of the scream at between midnight and 2:00 AM.
 
2:00 AM | Allison Shoeny and Priscilla White finished talking at the kitchen table at the White residence and then Allison woke Cliff Gaston up and took him to Daphne's room where they spent the rest of the night (Steve Thomas notes).
 
5:15 AM | Stewart Long observed John Andrew Ramsey in Lucinda Johnson's home in Marietta, GA (Steve Thomas notes). 

5:15 AM | Stewart Long saw John Andrew Ramsey up and crossing in the hallway at the Johnson residence in Marietta, GA (Steve Thomas notes).

 
~5:30 AM | John Ramsey Awoke. "The family planned to rise early the following morning because they were to fly to Charlevoix, Michigan for a family vacation. (SMF P 13; PSMF P 13.)" (Carnes 2003:6). "Defendants assert they woke around 5:30 a.m. and proceeded to get ready for their trip. While Mr. Ramsey took a shower, Mrs. Ramsey put back on the same outfit she had on the night before and reapplied her makeup. (SMF P 15.)" (Carnes 2003: 7) John Ramsey reportedly awoke before Patsy, at about 5:30, and dressed after showering (Schiller 1999a:77).
 
~5:33 AM | Patsy Ramsey Awoke. Patsy Ramsey awoke "a few minutes later;" dressed, put on make-up and went to 2nd floor to rinse out JBR jumpsuit and then went downstairs to kitchen (Schiller 1999a:77). Ramsey & Ramsey (2001:10) states she put clothes for trip into plastic bag (there is no allusion to rinsing the jumpsuit).
 
~5:45 | Ransom Note Discovered. "Mrs. Ramsey then went down the backstairs towards the second floor, then the spiral stairs towards the ground floor, where, on a step near the bottom of the stairs, she discovered a handwritten note on three sheets of paper that indicated JonBenét had been kidnapped (the "Ransom Note"). (SMF P 16)." (Carnes 2003:7). Patsy Ramsey "told Det. Arndt that she found a note at the bottom of the staircase" at "approximately" 5:45 AM (Byfield 1997:1). 
 
~5:45 AM | JBR Found Missing. "As she descended the back stairwell, she discovered the Ransom Note and read only those few lines stating that JonBenét was kidnapped, but "safe and unharmed," and demanding $118,000 for her return. (SMF P 17; PSMF P 17.) Mrs. Ramsey immediately screamed and proceeded to check JonBenét's room, which was empty. (SMF P 18; PSMF P 18)." (Carnes 2003:11-12). Patsy Ramsey discovered JBR missing at "approximately 5:45 AM" (Byfield 1997:1).
 
Before 5:52 AM | Parents Checked on Burke. "After hearing Mrs. Ramsey's scream, Mr. Ramsey ran downstairs and met Mrs. Ramsey in the stairwell. Together, they checked on their son who appeared to be asleep in his room. (SMF P 18; PSMF P 18.)" (Carnes 2003:12).
 
Before 5:52 AM | John Ramsey Read RN. "Mr. Ramsey then went downstairs to read the Ransom Note, while Mrs. Ramsey called the police, informing them that her child had been kidnapped. (SMF P 19; PSMF P 19)" (Carnes 2003:12).
 
5:52 AM | Patsy Ramsey Made 911 Call. John told Patsy to call police; 911 call logged at 5:52 AM (Schiller 1999a:78). The Daily Camera places this call at 5:45 AM, as does Bardach (1997).
 
After 5:52 AM | Ramseys Phone Family Friends. Fleet & Priscilla White and John & Barbara Fernie (friends of family) had been phoned "shortly after the note was found" (Byfield 1997:1). Schiller (1999a:78) states that Patsy had called Whites & Fernies "immediately after" the 911 call; Ramsey & Ramsey (2001: 12-13) states she called Fernies first and then Whites. Schiller places the call to the Whites at "at about 6:00 AM" with house guest Clif Gaston picking up the phone (1999a:44); since the call was placed before Officer French arrived, it must have been before 5:59 AM since that is the time Schiller has French arriving at the house.
 
5:55 AM | Officer French Dispatched. Officer French proceeded to 755 15th Street regarding a ransom demand and kidnapping (Steve Thomas notes).
 
5:59 AM | Officer French Arrived. BPD officers Karl Veitch and Rick French are reported to have "responded to" 911 call at 5:52 AM, but it is not clear whether this denotes actual time of arrival at the house (Byfield 1997:1. "Office Rick French of the Boulder Police arrived at the defendants' home in a marked car a few minutes before six a.m., followed soon after by Detective Linda Arndt. (SMF P 21; PSMF P 21.)" (Carnes 2003:14). BPD Officer Rick French was the first law officer to arrive at Ramsey house at 5:59 AM (Schiller 1999a:77), i.e., 7 minutes after the 911 call (Schiller 1999a:78). Glick et al. (1998) concurs French arrived "just before 6 a.m." The Daily Camera has French and Veitch arriving at the Ramseys at 5:45 AM.
 
After 5:59 AM | Officer French Read RN. In a story based on reading police reports, Newsweek reporters claim "French read the ransom note and later conducted a quick search of the house" although no timeframe is given for this (Glick et al. 1998). In contrast, Schiller claims French did the house search and then read the ransom note (Schiller 1999a:7; source and summary provided by Internet poster Athena). French himself stated in a Vanity Fair interview that after being greeted by Patsy on arrival, "John Ramsey directed me through the house and pointed out a three-page handwritten note which was laid on the wooden floor just west of the kitchen area" (Bardach 1997).
 
6:00-7:00 AM
6:00 AM | Sgt. Paul Reichenbach hears Officer French dispatched (Steve Thomas notes).

6:05 AM | Sgt. Robert Whitson received a page to call watch supervisor Paul Reichenbach (Steve Thomas notes). 
 
After 6:00 AM | Officer French Searched Basement. However, according to Schiller, after arriving at 6:59 AM, French "immediately" searched the house looking for a point of entry; only after he did that search did he read the ransom note. The Newsweek story based on police reports is consistent with Schilling on timing even though it asserts that the search came after reading the RN (Glick et al., 1998). Thomas's account is far different in terms of timing: "with detectives finally on the scene [they arrived at 8:10 according to Thomas] to handle witnesses, French checked the garage and lower levels of the house, looking for places through which the kidnapper might have carried off the child. He found none. The house was messy, but he saw no sign of a struggle" (Thomas 2000:22-23). Reconciliation of these conflicting accounts is provided at the end of the following event.
 
After 6:00 AM | Officer French Fails to Search Wine Cellar Room. Glick et al. (1998) states that in French's search of the basement (time unstated), "he came to a door secured with a wooden latch. According to police reports obtained by NEWSWEEK, he paused for a moment in front of the door--but walked away." JBR's body was later found behind this same door, so why did French not open the door? "In the police report French filed about the events that morning, he says he didn't open the door to the basement room because he was looking for exits the kidnapper might have used. He noticed the latch was on the wrong side for a door leading out of the house. So he kept moving" (Glick et al. 1998).

  • This is consistent with Schiller who reports: "Rick French....was reportedly still tortured by his failure to open the wine cellar door when he searched the house in those first few minutes" (Schiller 1999a:660; source and quote provided by Internet poster Athena).
  • Thomas provides a very similar account: "In the basement he also came to the white door at the far end of the that was closed and secured at the top by the wooden block on a screw. French was looking for exit points from the house and the door obviously was not one. No one could have gone through that door, closed it behind them, and locked it on the opposite side by turning the wooden latch, so he did not open it." (Thomas 2000:22-23).
  • This raises the question of how to resolve a 2-hour discrepancy between what might be viewed as "insider" accounts. Glick et al., do not provide an exact time, but it is clear that it nearly matches Schiller's rather than Thomas's as they flatly assert: "He noticed the latch was on the wrong side for a door leading out of the house. So he kept moving. Soon other officers arrived, including detectives and a forensics team that began dusting the house for fingerprints and searching for other clues" (Glick et al., 1998), so the search clearly was before the other detectives arrived, a flat contradiction of Thomas. Given that Glick et al. are professional reporters relying on police reports and produce a story consistent with Schiller, who conducted numerous interviews, their account probably should be accorded more credence than Thomas's even though he too in theory had access to the same police reports.
 
~6:03 AM | Whites Arrived. Fleet & Priscilla White arrived at Ramsey house "minutes after" 6:00 AM (Schiller 1999a: 44). This is consistent with the search warrant affidavit that Whites had been phoned "shortly after the note was found" and "immediately" come over (Byfield 1997:1). Whites reportedly came "promptly" after being called (Carnes, 2003:12). However, acandyrose.com gives the arrival time for both Whites as 6:30 AM without providing documentation/source.
 
~6:06 AM | Fleet White Searched Basement. Fleet White went downstairs to basement to look for JBR (Schiller 1999a: 44). This time is supported by Carnes (2003:14): "The Whites arrived at defendant's home at approximately 6:00 a.m., and Mr. White, alone, searched the basement within fifteen minutes of arrival. (SMF P 23; PSMF P 23.) Mr. White testified that when he began his search, the lights were already on in the basement and the door in the hallway leading to the basement "wine cellar" room was opened. (SMF P 25; PSMF P 25; White Dep. at 147, 151-52.)" (Carnes 2003:14).
 
After 6:06 AM | Fleet White Searched Train Room. "He further testified that a window in the basement playroom was broken. (SMF P 26; PSMF P 26; White Dep. at 28, 152 & 154.) Under the broken window, Mr. White states there was a suitcase, along with a broken shard of glass. (SMF P 27; PSMF P 27; White Dep. at 28-29, 156-59, & 15 265.) He does not, however, remember whether the window was opened or closed. n11 (SMF P 28; PSMF P 28; White Dep. at 153.)" (Carnes 2003:14).
 
After 6:06 AM | Fleet White Searched Wine Cellar Room. "Mr. White also opened the door to the wine cellar room, but he could not see anything inside because it was dark and he could not find the light switch. (SMF P 29; PSMF P 29; White Dep. at 159-61.)" (Carnes 2003:14).
 
6:10 AM | Officer Veitch Arrived. BPD officer Karl Veitch "responds to the scene" at 6:10 (Steve Thomas notes). "Contrary to normal protocol, the police did not seal off the defendants' home, with the sole exception being the interior of JonBenét's bedroom. In other words, any person in the Ramsey house could, and often did, move freely throughout the home. (SMF P 21; PSMF P 22.)" (Carnes 2003:13).
 
After 6:10 AM | John Fernie Arrived. Veitch arrived before Fernies (Ramsey & Ramsey 1999a: 14). John Fernie arrived at Ramsey house; his wife Barbara Fernie came "later" (Schiller 1999a: 44); Fernie was the first friend to arrive and he tried the patio door first (Schiller 1999a:78). This is consistent with the search warrant affidavit that Fernies were phoned "shortly after the note was found" and "immediately" come over. (Byfield 1997:1)
 
Before 6:20 AM | Barbara Fernie Arrives. "Fleet White, Priscilla White, John Fernie, Barbara Fernie at the Ramsey house" as of 6:20 AM (Steve Thomas notes).
 
6:30 AM | Det. Fred Patterson was contacted by Sgt. Whitson to respond to Boulder (Steve Thomas notes).

6:30 AM | Fleet White Searches Basement. Within approximately 10-15 minutes of his arrival, Fleet White searched the basement of the Ramsey residence. He noticed the lights were on, saw the broken window in the train room and looked for broken glass and found a small piece of glass. The latch on the window was in the unlocked position and his impression was that the window was closed. He looked in the wine cellar but could not see anything and went back upstairs (Steve Thomas notes).

6:35 AM | Linda Arndt receives a call from Sgt. Whitson of a reported kidnapping (Steve Thomas notes).
 
6:35 AM | Sgt. David Kicera told officer Barry Weiss to respond to the scene (Steve Thomas notes).
 
6:40 AM | Officer Weiss Arrives. Officer Barry Weiss arrived at the scene (Steve Thomas notes). A later portion of Thomas notes show Weiss arriving at 7:15 AM.
 
Before 6:45 AM | John Ramsey Calls Pilot. John Ramsey leaves message for his pilot Michael Archuleta who returns the call a few minutes later; Patsy answers the phone (Schiller 1999a:78).
 
6:45 AM | Weiss, Barcklow and Reichenbach Arrive. BPD officers Barry Weiss, Sue Barcklow, and Sgt. Paul Reichenbach arrive at Ramsey house (Schiller 1999a:79); However, Thomas (above) shows Weiss arriving at 6:40 AM and his timeline also shows (in a direct contradiction) that Barcklow arrived at 7:00 AM). The search warrant affidavit confirms that Weiss was at the house when Arndt arrived at 8:00 AM (Byfield 1997:1).
 
6:45 AM | Victims Advocates Arrive. Mary Lou Jedamus and Grace Morelock, BPD Victim Advocates, arrive at Ramsey house (acandyrose.com). "Early that morning, police had called in a team of victims' advocates, trained in helping families through traumatic situations, who arrived with bagels and coffee." (Glick et al. 1998).
 
6:45 AM | Priscilla White called niece at White house (Schiller 1999a:44).
 
6:50 AM | Officer Weiss and Officer Barklow were photographing and fingerprinting areas of the house. Officer Veitch had collected the ransom note (Steve Thomas notes).
 
7:00-8:00 AM
7:00 AM | Det. Patterson began gathering items he would need at the scene (Steve Thomas notes).
 
7:00 AM | Burke Ramsey is awakened and dressed  (Steve Thomas notes; Schiller 1999a:45 gives time as ~7:00 AM).
 
7:13 AM | Rev. Hoverstock Arrived. Reverend Rol Hoverstock arrived at the residence (Steve Thomas notes). Rev. Hoverstock from St. John's Episcopalian Church arrives at Ramsey house just before Burke left to go to White's house (Schiller 1999a:45); the search warrant affidavit states the pastor arrived "shortly after the note was found" (Byfield 1997:1). However, acandyrose.com gives Hoverstock's arrival time as 7:00 AM without providing documentation/source.
 
After 7:13 AM | Burke Ramsey Taken to Whites. Burke Ramsey is taken by Fleet White and John Fernie to pick up the Fernie children and then taken to the White's home (Schiller 1999a:45). However, acandyrose.com gives this time as 7:00 AM without providing documentation/source.
 
Between 7:00-8:00 AM | John Ramsey Searched Basement. "at around ten a.m., Mr. Ramsey also searched the basement area alone. He testified he found the broken window partially open. (SMF P 30; PSMF P 30; J. Ramsey Dep. at 30.) Under the broken window, Mr. Ramsey also saw the same suitcase seen earlier by Mr. White. Mr. Ramsey testified that the suitcase belonged to his family, but was normally stored in a different place. (SMF P 31; 16 PSMF P 31; J. Ramsey Dep. at 17.) *1331 Mr. Ramsey then returned upstairs. Plaintiff Chris Wolf theorizes that Mr. Ramsey actually found JonBenét's body at this time. (PSDMF P 57.)" (Carnes 2003:14]. Internet poster Bluecrab claims he did more than just check the window.
  • Carnes Timeline May be Wrong. In his 1998 testimony, John Ramsey provides several different times for when he searched the basement on his own. He first states "It would have been that time period: seven to nine." (p. 155, lines 19-20) and later reiterates "it was probably some time between seven and nine" (p. 157, lines 12-13). When asked whether it was before or after Whites and Fernies arrived, John stated: "I think it was after, because they came fairly early" (p. 174, lines 1-2). He then reiterated: "The best I can do is, it was, I believe, after the police came. Because they had gone through the house before I figured out what I'm going to do. It was before ten o'clock. They had already done some preparation before that. So it would have been before. Probably before nine. So then somewhere between seven and nine." (p. 174, lines 5-11). But when reminded that the RN said a phone call would come between 8 and 10 AM, NOT 10-12 AM, as John had supposed, John made clear that he had visited the basement prior to that time since "When we were ready for the phone call and I was prepped about what I was going to say and I was getting the family ready. And so between that period of time we were just waiting for the phone call and I was near the phone. And I was either in the study or on the first floor. I just waiting for it." (p. 174, lines 22-25; p. 175, lines 1-3). In response to a query from Mike Kane, John Ramsey confirmed that his trip to the basement "would have been before that time period." (p. 175, lines 6-7).
  • Was John's Trip Much Earlier? However, Internet poster Amber believes John must have visited the basement before either Fleet White or Officer French since he found a chair in front of the train room door and there's no good reason to believe White or French would have re-blocked the door with the chair after they entered the train room (which both did according to their own accounts). If so, John's trip would have been before 6:00 AM.
 
7:30 AM | Ransom Amount Assembled. John Ramsey collected the $118,000 demanded in the ransom note (AngelFire timeline).
 
7:33 AM | BPD Canine Unit on Standby (acandyrose.com).
 
7:55 AM | Reichenbach Briefs Arndt and Patterson. Sgt. Reichenbach meets with BPD Detectives Linda Arndt and Fred Patterson at the Basemar Shopping Center to brief them on the case (Steve Thomas notes give time as 7:55; Schiller 1999a:79 gives time as prior to 8:00 AM).
 
8:00-10:00 AM
8:00 AM | Neighbor Scott Gibbons got up and observed a basement door leading into a kitchen area was standing wide open (Steve Thomas notes).

8:00 AM | Fleet White returned to the White residence with the Fernie children and Burke Ramsey (Steve Thomas notes).
 
8:10 AM | Arndt and Patterson Arrive. Linda Arndt arrives at Ramsey house at "approximately" 8:00 AM (Byfield 1997:1); she monitored incoming phone calls to the Ramsey residence from approximately 0800-1300 hours (Byfield 1997:2). Patterson's arrival time is not mentioned in the search warrant affidavit, but Schiller (1999a:10) has him arriving with Arndt at 8:10 AM. "Detective Arndt and Patterson arrived at the Ramsey house at 8:10 a.m., and Officer Rick French gave them an updated briefing." (Thomas 2000:22). This same time is provided by Steve Thomas notes, although a later entry in the same notes shows a contradictory entry indicating that Arndt and Patterson arrived at 8:30.
 
8:21 AM | The three page ransom note was received into Boulder Police Department property (Steve Thomas notes).
 
Time Unstated | Police Tapped Phones. BPD followed standard procedure by putting taps inside the house and at John Ramsey's office (Glick et al. 1998).
 
Time Unstated | Arndt Instructed John Ramsey. "Linda Arndt told John Ramsey what to say if the ransomer called: demand to talk to JonBenét. John Ramsey took notes. "Must talk to JB," he scribbled." (Glick et al., 1998).
 
Time Unstated | Advocates Cleaned Kitchen. "After using the kitchen, the advocates began tidying it up, a law-enforcement official told NEWSWEEK. One friend helped clean the kitchen, wiping down the counters with a spray cleaner--and possibly wiping away important evidence." (Glick et al. 1998).
 
8:36 AM | JAR and MR Board Plane. John Andrew and Melinda Ramsey borded a Delta flight to Minneapolis (AngelFire timeline).
 
9:00 AM | Det. Jim Byfield was contacted by Sgt. Bob Whitson and requested to assist in the investigation of a kidnapping (Steve Thomas notes).

9:20 AM | Sgt. Paul Reichenbach left the police department (Steve Thomas notes).

9:21 AM | Det. Byfield contacted Det. Patterson to tell him that Laurie Vencel, Lafayette State Bank was collecting the money for the ransom (Steve Thomas notes).

9:22 AM | Det Byfield contacted Det. Kithcart to respond to the BPD to assist in the investigation (Steve Thomas notes).

9:27 AM | Det Byfield contacted Gary Merriman a list of the employees at Access graphics (Steve Thomas notes).
 
9:30 AM | Ransom Amount Arranged. John Fernie returned to the Ramsey residence after meeting with his banker and arranging to have $118,000 in cash available (Steve Thomas notes).
 
~9:30 AM | Sergeant Whitson Arrived. BPD Sergeant Bob Whitson arrived at house, entering through rear exterior kitchen door (Byfield 1997:4). Steve Thomas notes give arrival time between 9:00 and 9:45 and a later entry shows 10:00 AM and that Officer French was released from the scene.
 
9:45 AM | Det. Jeff Kithcart arrived at the Boulder Police Department (Steve Thomas notes).

9:50 AM | Det. Everett and Det. Byfield met with Gary Merriman at Access Graphics (Steve Thomas notes).
 
10:00 AM-Noon
10:00 AM | No one mentioned to Det. Arndt that the suspected kidnappers had not called within the designated time period (Steve Thomas notes).

10:07 AM | Det. Everett and Det. Byfield respond to the Ramsey residence (Steve Thomas notes).

10:15 AM | Officer Weiss and Officer Barklow cleared the Ramsey residence (Steve Thomas notes). This entry is obviously incorrect insofar as all of the family and friends were still present when the body was discovered at 1:00 PM.
 
~10:30 AM | JBR Bedroom Sealed. "JonBenét's bedroom had been sealed off by Detectives Arndt and Fred Patterson at approximately 1030 hours (Byfield 1997:2). "Police reports also show that officers did little to protect the integrity of the crime scene. Believing the crime was a kidnapping, the cops cordoned off JonBenét's bedroom with yellow and black crime-scene tape to preserve whatever evidence her abductor may have left behind. But strangely, they didn't seal the rest of the house--also potentially part of the crime scene" (Glick et al. 1998). Steve Thomas notes give the time as 10:30.
 
10:30 AM | All additional police officers and victim advocates other than Linda Arndt and family members and friends leave the Ramsey residence (Steve Thomas notes).
 
After 10:40 AM | JR Picks Up Mail. "Between approximately 1040 hours and 1200 hours - John Ramsey left the house and picked up the family's mail" (Steve Thomas notes). Jameson has observed: "We know that is not true as the mail was delivered right into the house through a mail slot by the front door."
 
10:45 AM | Representatives from the FBI arrive at the BPD (Steve Thomas notes).

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  on questions 911 operators are trained to ask
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-05-2020, 06:23 PM - Forum: 911 call - No Replies

questions 911 operators are told to ask 
 
Information to Relay to Responding Officers 
 Nature of the calls, emergency or “in progress”  
Complete address, including directions  
Home phone number of the caller  
Identify the caller and relationship to the parties  
Injuries or need for an ambulance  
Weapons—what type, whose, where last seen  
Number of people at the scene, including children  
If offender is at the scene, provide a description, i.e. height, weight, clothing 
 If offender has fled, get location, direction, mode of travel, and description of vehicle 
 Presence of alcohol or drugs—what type? 
 Last time officers responded to this location and type of call  
Protection order or temporary order on file

found at http://www.markwynn.com/wp-content/uploa...stions.pdf

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  kesse - need study
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-02-2020, 08:01 AM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - Replies (1)

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WESH) – The Orange County Sheriff’s Office is following a tip in the search of missing woman Jennifer Kesse.
The new tip from a Kesse family investigator brought law enforcement to a lake in West Orange County.
Kesse has been missing since January of 2006. According to police Keese left her condo near the Mall at Millenia and headed for work. Investigators still don’t know what happened to her.
Kesse graduated from Gaither High School in Tampa.
This is a developing story stick with WFLA for updates.

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