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  Chuck Green
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-14-2018, 10:24 AM - Forum: Names to remember - No Replies

Michael Tracey - "Boulder Law Enforcement put a ring in Chuck Green's nose and led him around on a leash.  Law Enforcement used the media to build a case that law enforcement knew it couldn't construct in court."

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  Nyla's obit
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-02-2018, 05:37 PM - Forum: Fleet and Priscilla White - No Replies

Nyla Marie White June 8,1923 — August 5, 2014
June 8,1923 — August 5, 2014

August 21, 2014



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Nyla Marie Overseth was the daughter of Norwegian/American parents, Henry and Millie Overseth. She was born in Minneapolis and raised in Sioux Falls, with her sisters, Eileen, Lillian, May, Marilyn and brother, Jim. Henry had a small grocery and Nyla, having taught herself to drive at 13, did the deliveries and often ran the store. Restless in Depression-era South Dakota, Nyla longed to travel. As a child, she heard the song "Faraway Places with Strange-Sounding Names" and she couldn't wait to see the world. After high school, with WWII underway, with no money to go away to college, she left for Long Beach, CA, getting a job as a secretary. After the exciting war years, she married handsome California-bred former WWII pilot and (for a brief time) actor, Fleet White. Then they were off to Hawaii for a few years, starting a family and enjoying the beach life, returning to California, where Fleet got into the oil business.
After years of raising their family, and building a business, Nyla and Fleet were able to realize many of their dreams. With Nyla's talent for design, she loved building their dream house in Newport Beach, where they enjoyed hosting fabulous parties for friends and family. Nyla never used a decorator or caterer. She had her own vision and loved to do everything herself. The family went to Aspen to ski in the mid-sixties and Nyla, missing the changing of the seasons in California, talked Fleet into purchasing a chalet that they named "Le Petit Chalet Blanc", which they owned from 1964 to now. They loved to host their many friends over the years and they hosted many memorable parties, especially at New Years Eve.
Nyla also finally got to travel … ski trips every year to Europe, and finally seeing all of those "Faraway Places with the Strange-Sounding Names". Especially after Fleet's retirement, they traveled the world, seeing every place that Nyla had ever dreamed of seeing. They also went back to Hawaii every year, and joined old friends on their barge to cruise canals in Holland and France. In her 50's, Nyla decided to bicycle around Europe and asked her daughter, Lani, to go with her. So, for several years, on their own,they set off on their bicycle adventures … for each trip, spending four weeks bicycling, carrying everything on their bicycles and.never knowing where they would be staying each night. They bicycled through southern England, Holland, Belgium, France, Luxembourg, Germany, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Hungary, and then Norway, where they visited cousins and the historic family home near Oslo. Always curious, Nyla was also an adventurous traveler … excited for everything that came her way, always planning the next trip. After several bicycle trips in Europe, Nyla wanted to bicycle in China. So, Nyla and Lani joined several friends and a group from Aspen for a month of bicycling. A highlight of that trip was following the Great Wall from Beijing to the sea. Then, Nyla wanted to bicycle in Mongolia. That adventure culminated with a historic day in 1989 when they accompanied the march of students to Tiananmen Square the day before martial law was declared. It was an unforgettable day and the trip was a remarkable adventure for Nyla, who was now in her mid sixties.
With the arrival of grandchildren, Nyla and Fleet traveled a little less, and loved to finally be grandparents. They spent more time in Aspen, where daughter, Lani, had lived for many years, and to be closer to their son, Fleet Jr. and his family who lived in Boulder. After 60 years of marriage, Fleet Sr. passed away and Nyla moved full time to her favorite home that she had so lovingly decorated, her little chalet, in Aspen. She had always planned to someday make Aspen her final home. But, even with the severe macular degeneration that stole much of her sight, Nyla didn't want to give up travel, even though she had to give up skiing, bicycling and driving. So Nyla and Lani went to Europe at Christmastime for several years, cruising the rivers of Europe at that magical time of year.

Nyla loved to spend as much time as possible with her grandchildren, watching their ski racing and piano lessons, and seeing them attend the US Naval Academy. She was proud to see them both graduated and commissioned, and now serving on ships in the Pacific. Nyla's last illness, shortly after her 91st birthday, left her very frail, but she never lost her memories and her desire to laugh. She had an amazing, full life … hard to condense into this obituary. There was probably not much left that she had wanted to do, but hadn't done. The problem was that she wanted to do everything again and again. Nyla, my mother, didn't want to miss out on anything. She loved to laugh… and was always elegant, beautiful, fun-loving, generous and kind..
Nyla is survived by daughter, Lani White of Aspen; son, Fleet White Jr. of Boulder; grandson, Lt. Fleet White III, stationed in Honolulu and granddaughter, Ensign Daphne White, stationed in San Diego, sister, Marilyn of Encinitas, many beloved nieces and nephews….and her kitty, Angelique.
A celebration of Nyla's life will be held at her home in Aspen on Saturday, August 23, from 5-7. Contact Lani with any questions (aspenrealestate@aol.com).

— Lani White

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  Nyla's obit
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-02-2018, 05:27 PM - Forum: Fleet and Priscilla White - No Replies

Nyla Marie White June 8,1923 — August 5, 2014
June 8,1923 — August 5, 2014

August 21, 2014



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Nyla Marie Overseth was the daughter of Norwegian/American parents, Henry and Millie Overseth. She was born in Minneapolis and raised in Sioux Falls, with her sisters, Eileen, Lillian, May, Marilyn and brother, Jim. Henry had a small grocery and Nyla, having taught herself to drive at 13, did the deliveries and often ran the store. Restless in Depression-era South Dakota, Nyla longed to travel. As a child, she heard the song "Faraway Places with Strange-Sounding Names" and she couldn't wait to see the world. After high school, with WWII underway, with no money to go away to college, she left for Long Beach, CA, getting a job as a secretary. After the exciting war years, she married handsome California-bred former WWII pilot and (for a brief time) actor, Fleet White. Then they were off to Hawaii for a few years, starting a family and enjoying the beach life, returning to California, where Fleet got into the oil business.
After years of raising their family, and building a business, Nyla and Fleet were able to realize many of their dreams. With Nyla's talent for design, she loved building their dream house in Newport Beach, where they enjoyed hosting fabulous parties for friends and family. Nyla never used a decorator or caterer. She had her own vision and loved to do everything herself. The family went to Aspen to ski in the mid-sixties and Nyla, missing the changing of the seasons in California, talked Fleet into purchasing a chalet that they named "Le Petit Chalet Blanc", which they owned from 1964 to now. They loved to host their many friends over the years and they hosted many memorable parties, especially at New Years Eve.
Nyla also finally got to travel … ski trips every year to Europe, and finally seeing all of those "Faraway Places with the Strange-Sounding Names". Especially after Fleet's retirement, they traveled the world, seeing every place that Nyla had ever dreamed of seeing. They also went back to Hawaii every year, and joined old friends on their barge to cruise canals in Holland and France. In her 50's, Nyla decided to bicycle around Europe and asked her daughter, Lani, to go with her. So, for several years, on their own,they set off on their bicycle adventures … for each trip, spending four weeks bicycling, carrying everything on their bicycles and.never knowing where they would be staying each night. They bicycled through southern England, Holland, Belgium, France, Luxembourg, Germany, Austria, Denmark, Sweden, Hungary, and then Norway, where they visited cousins and the historic family home near Oslo. Always curious, Nyla was also an adventurous traveler … excited for everything that came her way, always planning the next trip. After several bicycle trips in Europe, Nyla wanted to bicycle in China. So, Nyla and Lani joined several friends and a group from Aspen for a month of bicycling. A highlight of that trip was following the Great Wall from Beijing to the sea. Then, Nyla wanted to bicycle in Mongolia. That adventure culminated with a historic day in 1989 when they accompanied the march of students to Tiananmen Square the day before martial law was declared. It was an unforgettable day and the trip was a remarkable adventure for Nyla, who was now in her mid sixties.
With the arrival of grandchildren, Nyla and Fleet traveled a little less, and loved to finally be grandparents. They spent more time in Aspen, where daughter, Lani, had lived for many years, and to be closer to their son, Fleet Jr. and his family who lived in Boulder. After 60 years of marriage, Fleet Sr. passed away and Nyla moved full time to her favorite home that she had so lovingly decorated, her little chalet, in Aspen. She had always planned to someday make Aspen her final home. But, even with the severe macular degeneration that stole much of her sight, Nyla didn't want to give up travel, even though she had to give up skiing, bicycling and driving. So Nyla and Lani went to Europe at Christmastime for several years, cruising the rivers of Europe at that magical time of year.

Nyla loved to spend as much time as possible with her grandchildren, watching their ski racing and piano lessons, and seeing them attend the US Naval Academy. She was proud to see them both graduated and commissioned, and now serving on ships in the Pacific. Nyla's last illness, shortly after her 91st birthday, left her very frail, but she never lost her memories and her desire to laugh. She had an amazing, full life … hard to condense into this obituary. There was probably not much left that she had wanted to do, but hadn't done. The problem was that she wanted to do everything again and again. Nyla, my mother, didn't want to miss out on anything. She loved to laugh… and was always elegant, beautiful, fun-loving, generous and kind..
Nyla is survived by daughter, Lani White of Aspen; son, Fleet White Jr. of Boulder; grandson, Lt. Fleet White III, stationed in Honolulu and granddaughter, Ensign Daphne White, stationed in San Diego, sister, Marilyn of Encinitas, many beloved nieces and nephews….and her kitty, Angelique.
A celebration of Nyla's life will be held at her home in Aspen on Saturday, August 23, from 5-7. Contact Lani with any questions (aspenrealestate@aol.com).

— Lani White

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  October-November 2018
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-26-2018, 10:09 AM - Forum: Burke sues CBS for 750 million - Replies (1)

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A 1996 Christmas photo of Burke and JonBenét Ramsey taken shortly before the girl's death.


JonBenét Ramsey Family Attorney on Ex-Boulder DA's Subpoena in CBS Suit

Michael Roberts | October 25, 2018 | 6:39am


The lawyer for Burke Ramsey, brother of JonBenét Ramsey, who was murdered in Boulder on Christmas Day 1996, believes that a subpoena issued for former Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter won't do anything to exonerate CBS in a $750 million lawsuit filed by Burke in December 2016.
To the contrary, Atlanta-based attorney Lin Wood thinks that Hunter's deposition would only undermine the assertion in the CBS program The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey that Burke killed his sister when he was nine and she was six, which he characterizes as both defamatory and utterly unsupported by facts.
"I believe Mr. Hunter was professionally and personally outraged by tabloid accusations made against Burke in 1999 while he was the district attorney," Wood notes in a Q&A below, "and I expect that he is equally outraged by the accusations made against this young man by CBS."
News of the subpoena broke in the Boulder Daily Camera, which reported that the former DA, who retired from the office in 2001 and is now 81 years old, is fighting the subpoena on multiple fronts. He's said to consider the demand that he offer his thoughts "an 'annoyance' that would interfere with his annual relocation to Hawaii," but also maintains that cooperating would "compromise an 'open investigation and potential prosecution' of the person or persons responsible for JonBenét's death."
[Image: dr.werner.spitz.two.youtube.jpg]Dr. Werner Spitz, left, watches as a child is called upon to act out a theory of how Burke Ramsey could have killed his sister, JonBenét, from the CBS program The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey.

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The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey aired in September 2016. The next month, Wood filed a $150 million suit against Dr. Werner Spitz, a Michigan-based forensic pathologist who theorized on the show that Burke had killed JonBenét with a blow to the head. And in October 2017, Wood hit CBS with a $350 million demand on behalf of Burke's father, John Ramsey. Patsy Ramsey, wife of John and mother to JonBenét and Burke, died of cancer in 2004.
"CBS perpetrated a fraud upon the public," according to the John Ramsey suit. "Instead of being a documentary based on a new and legitimate investigation by a team of qualified and unbiased experts, The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey was a fictional crime show based primarily on a preconceived storyline scripted in the self-published and commercially unsuccessful book Foreign Faction...self-published in 2012."
Another section of the suit maintains that "Defendants’ accusation that John covered-up that Burke killed JonBenét was not based on a complete investigation revealing truthful facts, new witnesses, new evidence or new theories. Instead, Defendants consciously built their Documentary on an illegitimate and unfounded investigation, false and omitted facts, old witnesses, old evidence and old theories."
CBS moved for the lawsuits to be tossed, but in January, Judge David Groner allowed each to move forward. Hence the network's subpoena for Hunter, who, the Camera notes, "signed an affidavit in October 2000, shortly before leaving office, which stated in part, 'From December 26th, 1996, to the date of this affidavit, no evidence has ever been developed in the investigation to justify elevating Burke Ramsey's status from that of witness to suspect.'"
[Image: alex.hunter.file.photo.jpg]Alex Hunter during his days as the district attorney for Boulder County.

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This position leaves Wood wondering why CBS would have such an interest in having Hunter weigh in, as he makes clear in the following Q&A, conducted via email.
Westword: Why do you think Alex Hunter has been subpoenaed in relation to the lawsuit?
Lin Wood: CBS issued the subpoena, so only CBS can state why the subpoena was issued to Mr. Hunter. The CBS documentary concluded that Burke Ramsey killed his sister based on CBS’ representation that a full re-investigation of the evidence had been undertaken by its team of "experts." In his libel lawsuit, Burke challenges not only the accusation, but also the legitimacy of this alleged "re-investigation."
CBS has apparently realized that the evidence relied upon by its "experts" does not support the accusation against Burke. The recent discovery efforts aimed at Boulder officials, including Mr. Hunter, confirm that CBS is still searching for evidence to support its false and defamatory accusation against Burke. Stated differently, if CBS had enough evidence to support its accusation being broadcast to the world in its 2016 documentary, why in the world is CBS searching for more evidence in 2019?
The answer is obvious — the 2016 documentary was rank speculation unsupported by any credible evidence and CBS knows it. CBS is in search of a defense it will never find.
Why is it important that Alex Hunter cooperate with the subpoena?
Mr. Hunter is a third party to this litigation and has the right to question whether there is a legitimate need for his testimony and/or whether the subpoena imposes unnecessary trouble and expense. I do not view Mr. Hunter’s motion to quash as being based solely on inconvenience to him or as an effort on his part to be uncooperative. CBS has the burden of convincing the Court that there is a legitimate need for discovery from Mr. Hunter.
[Image: burke.ramsey.youtube.jpg]Burke Ramsey during a 2016 interview on the Dr. Phil program.

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What information do you believe Alex Hunter has that pertains to the lawsuit?
Based on his May, 1999, press statement and his October 2000 sworn affidavit (executed one year after the end of the grand jury investigation), which cleared Burke of any suspicion based on the actual evidence, I am confident that the only information Mr. Hunter could offer in this case would support Burke’s case against CBS. Accusing Burke of killing his sister while ignoring the statements of former District Attorney Hunter and other knowledgeable Boulder law enforcement officials was the height of recklessness on the part of CBS.
How would you characterize Alex Hunter's role in the investigation into the murder of JonBenét Ramsey?
As the Boulder District Attorney at the time of the murder until his retirement, Mr. Hunter was the public official with final authority over the investigation and decisions as to whether the evidence supported criminal charges being filed against any individual. I believe Mr. Hunter was professionally and personally outraged by tabloid accusations made against Burke in 1999 while he was the District Attorney and I expect that he is equally outraged by the accusations made against this young man by CBS.
What is the current status of the lawsuit, and can you provide a general timeline of what will happen next?
The parties are in the final stages of document production and are also actively taking depositions. Discovery will likely be complete by mid-2019. I expect CBS will thereafter follow standard media defense strategy by filing a motion for summary judgment. I am confident that such a motion will be unsuccessful and the case will move to a jury trial in late 2019 or early 2020.




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  found on TOPIX
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-25-2018, 08:55 PM - Forum: Found on other forums - No Replies

Dedred
 
The simple truth. They didn't know about the Pineapple until an open can was found on the cellar floor. And being in the criminal state of mind concocted an alibi and gave life to a seemingless meaningless item

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  from another state 1961
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-25-2018, 07:50 PM - Forum: Colorado crimes - No Replies

Anne Marie Burr - Abducted by a Serial Killer?

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Anne Marie Burr, aged 8, disappeared from her Tacoma, Washington home on August 31st, 1961.



[b]Timeline of Events[/b]
[i]A week before August 31st[/i]
Neighbors report seeing someone looking through windows of houses in the Burr's neighborhood. No one is able to give a good description of the "Peeping Tom".
[i]August 31st[/i]
Evening/Nighttime: Burr children and parents go to bed. One sister and two brothers went to the basement where their rooms were, Ann Marie and her younger sister went to their bedroom, the parents to theirs.
Middle of the Night: Anne Marie's younger sister begins to cry because the cast on her broken arm is bothering her. Ann Marie takes her sister into her parents' bedroom where they are both told to go back to bed.
Later: Parents awake to their dog barking, but assume it's because of the rainstorms that had been coming through the area and go back to sleep. The other children report not waking at all during the night.
[i]September 1st[/i]
5:30AM Anne Marie's Mother goes to check on her daughters and notices Ann Marie is not in bed. She begins to look around the house and sees that their front door which had been locked the previous night was now open and unlocked. Their living room window which was always open an inch or two was open wider. The family calls the police and continues searching the house for Ann Marie.
Sometime later that morning: The Police arrive and immediately launch an abduction investigation. Upon further inspection to the opened living room window they see that someone had pushed a garden bench under the window. There was also a footprint left from a Men's Keds sneaker, size 6 or 7. The police surmise this was made by a young adult male, or a small adult male. A red fiber was also found attached to the window sill, but nothing ever came of it.
Police investigated several sex offenders in the neighborhood but nothing was ever found, no new evidence surfaced, and no trace of Ann Marie was ever seen again.



Despite an exhaustive search and heavy questioning of the neighborhood no trace was ever found of Ann Marie's killer and her case grew cold. In the late 70's her case was given renewed interest when a man named Ted Bundy stood trial for the kidnapping, rape, and murders of women across the county.
I'm not going to hash out too much of Ted Bundy's history here; I will include links at the bottom if you don't know who he is or want to brush up on the finer points.
The reason for the renewed interest with the Bundy trials was because of the coincidental connections between him and Ann Marie;
  • In the 60's Ted Bundy and his mother were living with his great-uncle, Jack Cromwell, who happened to be Ann Marie's piano teacher.
  • They lived in close proximity to each other.
  • Relatives have stated that Ann Marie and Ted Bundy were friendly with each other and she knew he was the nephew of her piano teacher. As far as they know she wouldn't have had any reason to fear him.
  • Ted Bundy would have been 15 at the time of Ann Marie's disappearance, and would match the profile for the size shoe print found outside the window.
  • Bundy already had a record for wandering around late at night, and as an adult admitted to voyeurism (peeping through windows).
  • Ted Bundy had a paper route that included the Burr residence.
  • The street in front of the Burr home was being torn up for repaving the night she disappeared only to be covered with dirt and asphalt the next day. According to Burr's father the morning of her disappearance Ted Bundy was hanging around the construction site.
  • The true amount of women Ted Bundy killed is questionable. We know as his execution date drew nearer he started to hint about other murders, and give out some answers but he always refused to talk about Ann Marie Burr or would deny involvement. There is some speculation that Ted Bundy was ashamed at some of his murders, particularly ones of younger females such as 12yr old Kimberly Leach who he never admitted to but had evidence linking him as the killer.

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  PDI theory - problems
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-25-2018, 06:16 PM - Forum: Patsy Ramsey - bio - No Replies

from Newsweek

Tom Haney. One minute he would be talking to a sophisticated, articulate Miss America contestant; the next, she'd be trying to charm him. On the third day, he went all out.
What would you do if I told you we had evidence that shows you're not being truthful? he said, looking directly into her eyes.
Let's see it, Patsy said, as if she had been brought up on the streets of Brooklyn.
We're not in a position to show it to you now, Haney replied. You have lied to me, he added.
Pal, you don't want to go there. Don't start that, she snapped.
The tougher the questions became, the tougher Patsy became. Once, she raised her hand across the table, in front of Haney's face and said, You're going down the wrong road.
When Haney took the offensive, Patsy Ramsey was ready for him. She had the answers, and she didn't care if he liked them or not.
When the case detectives viewed the tapes of the third day, they gave Haney four stars. He'd gotten to the real Patsy, they believed. She had exhibited the hard side of her persona. A side capable of bringing harm to her daughter. Still, it was almost impossible to believe that she'd gone from being a normal mother, which until then she had given every indication of being, to being a murderer that night. Haney had never been able to come up with a motive for the killing, and now, after three days of questioning, he had not been able to find a trigger that might have set Patsy off--if she was the killer.

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  PDI theory - problems
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-25-2018, 06:13 PM - Forum: Patsy Ramsey - bio - Replies (1)

from Newsweek

Tom Haney. One minute he would be talking to a sophisticated, articulate Miss America contestant; the next, she'd be trying to charm him. On the third day, he went all out.
What would you do if I told you we had evidence that shows you're not being truthful? he said, looking directly into her eyes.
Let's see it, Patsy said, as if she had been brought up on the streets of Brooklyn.
We're not in a position to show it to you now, Haney replied. You have lied to me, he added.
Pal, you don't want to go there. Don't start that, she snapped.
The tougher the questions became, the tougher Patsy became. Once, she raised her hand across the table, in front of Haney's face and said, You're going down the wrong road.
When Haney took the offensive, Patsy Ramsey was ready for him. She had the answers, and she didn't care if he liked them or not.
When the case detectives viewed the tapes of the third day, they gave Haney four stars. He'd gotten to the real Patsy, they believed. She had exhibited the hard side of her persona. A side capable of bringing harm to her daughter. Still, it was almost impossible to believe that she'd gone from being a normal mother, which until then she had given every indication of being, to being a murderer that night. Haney had never been able to come up with a motive for the killing, and now, after three days of questioning, he had not been able to find a trigger that might have set Patsy off--if she was the killer.

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  from Newsweek
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-25-2018, 05:56 PM - Forum: Pam and Kristine Griffin - Replies (2)

FOCUSING ON THE FAMILY ON THURSDAY MORNING, DEC. 26, 1996, THE BOULDER, COLO., Police Department received a 911 call at 5:52 a.m. The caller, Patsy Ramsey, said her daughter, JonBenet, had been kidnapped and there was a ransom note. When the first officer arrived eight minutes later, he searched the house for the child and for any sign of forced entry, but found nothing. It was still dark outside.
By noon everyone was still waiting for the kidnappers to call. An hour later JonBenet's father, John Ramsey, searched the house for something that might have been taken along with his daughter. Moments later he found JonBenet's body--wrapped in a white blanket, her mouth covered with duct tape--in the wine cellar in the basement of the house. It was 1:05 p.m.
At Boulder police headquarters, Det. Sgt. Larry Mason got a page from the Ramsey house: ""We've got a body.''
""Oh, f---,'' Mason said, half aloud. ""Ron,'' he told FBI Special Agent Ron Walker, ""it's a homicide.''
Walker, an experienced FBI profiler, knew that finding JonBenet's body in her own home meant there had probably never been a kidnapping. In the case of a homicide where the dead child is found in the parents' home, the FBI's standard procedure is to investigate the parents and the immediate family first and then move outward in circles. Then would come people who had frequent access to the child--babysitters and domestic help. The next circle would contain friends and business associates. The outermost circle would be strangers. The technique was to avoid leaping over these concentric circles too quickly.
Fifteen minutes later Mason and Walker arrived at the Ramseys' house. First they looked at the body, lying now at the foot of the living-room Christmas tree, a noose around JonBenet's neck. Then they went downstairs to the wine cellar. Mason noticed that there was something about the crime scene--he couldn't put his finger on it--that made it look unnatural. Meanwhile, in the Ramseys' study, another detective overheard John Ramsey talking on the phone to his private pilot. He was making plans to fly somewhere before nightfall. Moments later Ramsey told Mason that he, his wife and his son would be flying to Atlanta that evening. ""You can't leave,'' Mason told him. ""We have to talk to you.''
At 7 p.m., Detectives Fred Patterson and Greg Idler knocked on the door of the Ramseys' housekeeper, Linda Hoffmann-Pugh. That morning Patsy Ramsey had told police her housekeeper had a key to the house and had major money problems. The police told Hoffmann-Pugh that JonBenet had been murdered. She screamed and couldn't stop shaking. After the housekeeper settled down, they asked her to print some words on a sheet of paper--Mr. Ramsey, attachE, beheaded and the number $118,000 (unknown to her, all phrases in the ransom note)--but Linda was too upset to write. She assumed that JonBenet had been beheaded.
The police spent three hours talking to the Pughs that night. Had Linda ever witnessed any signs of sexual abuse in the Ramsey household? Had JonBenet ever wet the bed? Had Linda seen semen, blood or anything unusual on the child's bed? On anyone else's bed? Hoffmann-Pugh would know for sure she was a suspect when the police returned the next day to search her house and fingerprint her. At a local doctor's office, she cried as the police yanked strands of hair from her head and she gave blood samples.
On the afternoon of Dec. 27, Pam Griffin found a telephone message from Patsy's sister Polly. ""Patsy needs you right now.'' Griffin was the seamstress who made JonBenet's pageant costumes and was Patsy's confidante about beauty pageants. At the Boulder home of John and Barbara Fernie, friends of the Ramseys', Pam, a former registered nurse, touched Patsy's skin and realized she was dehydrated. She brought Patsy some water and made her drink it. ""You need to brush your hair,'' Pam told her. ""You need to lie down a little bit.'' But Patsy stood up to greet each new person who arrived to offer condolences, and as she did, tears streamed down her face. Hours later, Patsy finally took Pam's advice and lay down in the bedroom.
Patsy reached up and touched Pam's face. ""Couldn't you fix this for me?'' she asked. Pam thought she was delirious. It was as if Patsy were asking her to fix a ripped seam. ""Patsy said something like, "We didn't mean for that to happen','' Pam would say later. Pam couldn't say why, but she remembered feeling as if Patsy knew who killed JonBenet but was afraid to say.
While Patsy slept, Pam went downstairs. She found John in the living room holding the Ramseys' other child, Burke. To Pam, John Ramsey seemed to be in a trance. His face was blank. His eyes were red. ""I don't get it,'' he said over and over. Then he got up, walked outside, shook his head and asked aloud, ""Why?''

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FOCUSING ON THE FAMILY ON THURSDAY MORNING, DEC. 26, 1996, THE BOULDER, COLO., Police Department received a 911 call at 5:52 a.m. The caller, Patsy Ramsey, said her daughter, JonBenet, had been kidnapped and there was a ransom note. When the first officer arrived eight minutes later, he searched the house for the child and for any sign of forced entry, but found nothing. It was still dark outside.
By noon everyone was still waiting for the kidnappers to call. An hour later JonBenet's father, John Ramsey, searched the house for something that might have been taken along with his daughter. Moments later he found JonBenet's body--wrapped in a white blanket, her mouth covered with duct tape--in the wine cellar in the basement of the house. It was 1:05 p.m.
At Boulder police headquarters, Det. Sgt. Larry Mason got a page from the Ramsey house: ""We've got a body.''
""Oh, f---,'' Mason said, half aloud. ""Ron,'' he told FBI Special Agent Ron Walker, ""it's a homicide.''
Walker, an experienced FBI profiler, knew that finding JonBenet's body in her own home meant there had probably never been a kidnapping. In the case of a homicide where the dead child is found in the parents' home, the FBI's standard procedure is to investigate the parents and the immediate family first and then move outward in circles. Then would come people who had frequent access to the child--babysitters and domestic help. The next circle would contain friends and business associates. The outermost circle would be strangers. The technique was to avoid leaping over these concentric circles too quickly.
Fifteen minutes later Mason and Walker arrived at the Ramseys' house. First they looked at the body, lying now at the foot of the living-room Christmas tree, a noose around JonBenet's neck. Then they went downstairs to the wine cellar. Mason noticed that there was something about the crime scene--he couldn't put his finger on it--that made it look unnatural. Meanwhile, in the Ramseys' study, another detective overheard John Ramsey talking on the phone to his private pilot. He was making plans to fly somewhere before nightfall. Moments later Ramsey told Mason that he, his wife and his son would be flying to Atlanta that evening. ""You can't leave,'' Mason told him. ""We have to talk to you.''
At 7 p.m., Detectives Fred Patterson and Greg Idler knocked on the door of the Ramseys' housekeeper, Linda Hoffmann-Pugh. That morning Patsy Ramsey had told police her housekeeper had a key to the house and had major money problems. The police told Hoffmann-Pugh that JonBenet had been murdered. She screamed and couldn't stop shaking. After the housekeeper settled down, they asked her to print some words on a sheet of paper--Mr. Ramsey, attachE, beheaded and the number $118,000 (unknown to her, all phrases in the ransom note)--but Linda was too upset to write. She assumed that JonBenet had been beheaded.
The police spent three hours talking to the Pughs that night. Had Linda ever witnessed any signs of sexual abuse in the Ramsey household? Had JonBenet ever wet the bed? Had Linda seen semen, blood or anything unusual on the child's bed? On anyone else's bed? Hoffmann-Pugh would know for sure she was a suspect when the police returned the next day to search her house and fingerprint her. At a local doctor's office, she cried as the police yanked strands of hair from her head and she gave blood samples.
On the afternoon of Dec. 27, Pam Griffin found a telephone message from Patsy's sister Polly. ""Patsy needs you right now.'' Griffin was the seamstress who made JonBenet's pageant costumes and was Patsy's confidante about beauty pageants. At the Boulder home of John and Barbara Fernie, friends of the Ramseys', Pam, a former registered nurse, touched Patsy's skin and realized she was dehydrated. She brought Patsy some water and made her drink it. ""You need to brush your hair,'' Pam told her. ""You need to lie down a little bit.'' But Patsy stood up to greet each new person who arrived to offer condolences, and as she did, tears streamed down her face. Hours later, Patsy finally took Pam's advice and lay down in the bedroom.
Patsy reached up and touched Pam's face. ""Couldn't you fix this for me?'' she asked. Pam thought she was delirious. It was as if Patsy were asking her to fix a ripped seam. ""Patsy said something like, "We didn't mean for that to happen','' Pam would say later. Pam couldn't say why, but she remembered feeling as if Patsy knew who killed JonBenet but was afraid to say.
While Patsy slept, Pam went downstairs. She found John in the living room holding the Ramseys' other child, Burke. To Pam, John Ramsey seemed to be in a trance. His face was blank. His eyes were red. ""I don't get it,'' he said over and over. Then he got up, walked outside, shook his head and asked aloud, ""Why?''

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