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  A few minor errors
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-15-2017, 07:23 PM - Forum: Forensics Under Fire - Replies (4)

Reading the book, I found a few minor errors in the Ramsey chapters and will mention them here.  Overall, I thought the book was very interesting but wished he had gone further into the false witnesses involved in this case - namely Vassar Professor Don Foster and Seraph's Dale Yeager.

OK, so the minor issues.

Right off he describes the crime and says Linda Arndt asked John Ramsey to search the house - - then she says it was 30 minutes before the body was found.  I don't know exactly how long it took, but hearing John and Fleet describe that search, I would think it was more like 5 to 10 minutes.

Also said that in the early days, the DNA found in her panties was "unsuitable for DNA analysis" - and that is not true.  I have copies of the DNA reports from days after the murder - - and several people were cleared immediately based on the DNA found mixed with the blood of JonBenet - in her panties, left from the sexual assault.

He had a couple things that I can't say I know or do not know to be true.  But for the most part, he had stuff pretty well figured out.

He didn't really bring anything new to my attention but had a few stories that I had not heard before - I was entertained and think most would be by his small anecdotes.

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  The earlier 911 call
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-15-2017, 07:06 PM - Forum: 911 call - Replies (8)

During the Christmas party on the night of December 23rd, 1996, someone from the Ramsey house dialed 911 and then hung up.

No one publicly claimed responsibility for that call, but it has generally been accepted that the call was made by Fleet White - a mistake, not a call for help.

The police responded to the call. They rang the doorbell which was actually linked to the landline phone.  The phone was answered by a child who then gave the phone to Susan Stine.  She assured the police that everything was fine, there was no trouble there, and that ended the conversation. At that time Susan asked the other guests if they had called 911 and no one took credit for the call, but later Fleet said it may have been he misdialed.  

Some have speculated that the call was made by the killer who wanted to see how quickly police would respond to a 911 call.  

Personally, I really don't see that happening.  The killer, if he intended to leave that ransom note and actually take JonBenet from her house, would have already been far from the house when the note was found - - so what difference would it make if the police responded in 2 minutes, 10 or 20?  

Fleet White's mother was ill in another state and he was on the phone discussing and arranging necessary treatment options.  The phone had several lines out and it may be that he instinctively pressed 9 for an outside line (I really don't know) but accidental 911 calls are not at all rare or evidence of guilt.

I was asked about this call so decided to include the information here.  If anyone has something to add, post it or let me know via email.  jameson245@aol.com

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  Dear Colin
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-14-2017, 04:57 PM - Forum: Colin Connolly - Replies (11)

First, let me say I am glad you have a Ramsey forum going, sorry I can't participate there but having been falsely accused of misdeeds on FB, I am banned.  So I will respond to a shared message here and hope you will see it.   Not sure if I will see any response made in FB, but you can email me if you want to respond to ME.

You wrote a long post saying you wouldn't have done this or that if YOU had been either John or Patsy that day.  Not knowing you, I won't question  what YOU would do.  And for the purpose of this thread, that doesn't matter.

You wrote, near the end of your post, "An every day working class family would have been fucked good & proper."

That statement touched me.  Unfortunately, you may be right, but not for the reasons you put forth.

The Ramseys were fortunate to have had a good friend in Mike Bynum who understood how dangerous it could be for innocent parents to allow themselves into the back room of an agency who clearly wanted to solve this quickly and were willing to bet the odds.  After all, a child so young has few enemies - - dead in her home, odds are it was a domestic incident.

The Ramseys were fortunate to have had a good friend, Mike Bynum, who understood how dangerous it could be for innocent and naïve (trusting totally in the BPD) people to volunteer to go to police headquarters for biased and aggressive interrogations by an agency HE  (Bynum) could see was already biased BORG.

I agree, without the benefit of a good friend like Mike, the Ramseys may well have been, as you put it, "fucked good and proper".

My question to you would be along these lines.

Does BORG really think the Ramseys did this horrible thing to their child (can they really ignore the evidence of an intruder and the DNA?)     or is the BORG just another chance for some middle class individuals to take a jab at someone who had more money and a nicer home and a private plane and a reprieve from cancer?

In getting to know some BORG, it seemed to me to be clear it was that - - - a chance to hurt someone who seemed to have a better life than the normal Joe and Joan.  

You wrote, "Money, influence, political corruption kept Ramsey's out of jail."

No, it wasn't their money - - the evidence just wasn't there - - and there IS clear and convincing evidence of an intruder.  The money helped, but if the evidence was there, the money would not have kept them out of jail.

Influence?  Again, no.  If influence could do all you think, it would have done a lot more than what we have today.  The cops would have said there was evidence of an intruder and let the case languish until cold.  But you think they used their influence to be constantly accused by different cops?  Nope - influence (which they clearly did not have) didn't help them.

Political corruption - - - there was no arrest because the physical evidence - including a man's DNA mixed with JOnBenet's blood in her panties and that unsourced hand print, the unsourced boot print, the unsourced handwriting......  there were no grounds for an arrest.  As for political corruption - - did everyone involved forget to tell the Governor and Mayor that the politically correct stand was Ramsey = innocence?  

Now, I will tell you there are other suspects, people whose families are old families in Boulder, people holding public positions (intentionally being obscure here) who look like good suspects to some PIs - - and THEY may have been protected by money, influence and political corruption.

Have you ever looked into any suspects not named Ramsey who might fit your description of the guilty parties here?

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  BORG hate
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-12-2017, 08:40 PM - Forum: just BORG hate - Replies (12)

I decided to share this hateful post from another forum, to start a kind of collection showing how hateful the BORG could become when there was clear evidence of an intruder and the family was actually cleared by a district attorney in charge of the case.  This kind of hate really confuses me.


Blacchippie says:
March 3, 2017 


Honestly speaking I don’t understand why we’re still wasting time with this, the Ramsey family did it….the case would’ve been solved but because Mr and Mrs Ramsey didn’t want it to be solved they failed to cooperate with the police
But Mrs Ramsey got what’s hers tho….cause she’s dead and since Jonbenét knows the truth so she’ll face her daughter (that’s the true justice she’ll be facing)

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  Charlie Brennan shared this
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-11-2017, 04:19 PM - Forum: The Murder, the Coverup and the Solution - No Replies

   

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  Fbi analysis
Posted by: Kaligirlsam - 07-11-2017, 10:51 AM - Forum: 911 call - Replies (2)

Conclusion Audio 911

After extensive processing and analysis, we conclude that recordings of the 911 emergency call made by Patsy Ramsey to report the kidnapping of her daughter JonBenét do not contain any audible conversation between any of the Ramseys following Patsy's hanging up the phone. There are too many discrepancies between the expectations of voice characteristics and the characteristics of the noises which some have reported as conversation for the hypothesis of additional conversation on the recording to be accepted. There appear instead to be several different noises with different characteristics, including at least one that has a cadence and is repeated. It is suggested that the combinations of these noises provide merely an appearance of conversation, particularly to wishful thinkers after the idea of conversation has been suggested to them. Unfortunately this noise has not only been falsely portrayed as conversation, but the idea that it is conversation has been boot.

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  Not a scam
Posted by: Kaligirlsam - 07-10-2017, 12:46 PM - Forum: GO FUND ME - a way anyone can help - No Replies

For anyone truly invested in seeing justice for Jonbenet, this is the perfect chance to bring closure. This is not a scam and will be used for investigation purposes.

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  Examples of BORG attacks
Posted by: Kaligirlsam - 07-10-2017, 07:37 AM - Forum: We Are the BORG. - Replies (3)

Examples of frivolous BORG attacks include leaving bad reviews on Johns business or the work places of people that support Ramsey innocense.

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  For Chad Keller
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-09-2017, 03:43 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (15)

The following was posted by Chad Keller on Facebook.  Since I have been banned from Facebook, I will respond to him here.

He wrote:

Lego Set, Puts It All Together
Undisputed Evidence:
Jonbenet was in the basement, in the wine cellar room with brother Burke on the night she died.
Whatever transgressed inside of that room, was done and caused by Burke. The Ramsey's covered it up. But they made one small mistake.
John stated he saw Burke playing with his new Garage Set. There's only one problem. Burke didn't get a Garage Set for Christmas.

My response - - 
Undisputed evidence?  In what world?  Not in the Ramsey case discussion where people get their facts from the evidence!  Oh yeah, in the BORG world, any BORG begun bull need only be repeated three times to become Undisputed Evidence. 

There is clear evidence JonBenet was in the basement on the night she was murdered and left there.  There is absolutely NO evidence Burke was there with her.  There IS evidence of an unidentified male who left his DNA behind, mixed with his victim's blood in her panties.

There is no reason to believe the Ramseys covered up for anyone - or would even consider doing that.  John was asked once if he would cover for his wife and said NO.  Not if she killed my daughter.  (No quote, but the question and answer are there.)

Finally, how the heck can Chad state as a fact that any 9m year old boy did not receive a garage set as a Christmas gift 20 years ago?  There was never an itemized list of the gifts ever mentioned that I am aware of.  So Chad, how about doing more than posting theory and presenting your thoughts as undisputed evidence.  Your credibility is very low for anyone who has read the case documents.

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  misinformation from other forums
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-07-2017, 07:36 PM - Forum: Misinformation found elsewhere, not BORG but wrong - Replies (3)

Robert James Miller wrote:  "There was JonBenet's vomit on the floor where there was mold..."

There is no record of vomit in any case documents.

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