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Posted by: jameson245 - 08-29-2018, 02:44 PM - Forum: OTHER children taken from their beds - No Replies

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"Similar Crimes?"
Posted by theneedle on Oct-17-99 at 02:02 PM (EST)

Quote:After reading recent newspaper articles on famous unsolved crimes(everyone's local paper seemed to have their own version ,next to their feature "Ramseys Off Hook" type article....God,they are so uncreative), I thought perhaps we could post articles about cases which actually DO resemble the JonBenet murder.I know there is "Boulder area crimes" in our true crime area , but this seems to be a busier area, and I thought perhaps we could discuss more specifically similar crimes.
Check out the Monica DaSilva case.Reno, Nevada,1990.6 yrs old.Abducted from bedroom.Only clue left was pried doorjamb.Parents under suspicion, finally cleared and won lawsuit against media for calling them killers.Child's skeleton found a few months later in desert.Nothing definitive obtained from the site or remains.This case happened only a year after a brother and sister, Chia by name,6&8, vanished after getting off a school bus in Lake Tahoe area.Their skeletons were also found months later.
These are similar cases to Ramsey not only because of the victims ages, but the fact they both happened out West in Rocky Mountain towns.It is not inconceivable that Sick Puppy relocated to Boulder 6 yrs later and became bolder.
http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/reno/932973792.html
http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/reno/939962481.html

 
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1 . "another"
Posted by Brimm on Oct-17-99 at 02:47 PM (EST)
Quote:http://www.bouldernews.com/extra/ramsey/...5akid.html

Here is another one. This one in Georgia 1991.

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2 . "40 unsolved abductions"
Posted by Bluefire on Oct-17-99 at 03:42 PM (EST)
Quote:I have a database with about 40 unsolved non-family abductions of JonBenét aged children listed over the past ten years. I have no idea at all of how many unsolved child homicides there are, nor for that matter how many solved child homicides.
It is very difficult to find any information about these cases beyond the posters on missing children sites. Strangely, a number of abductions clustered around the Rocky Mountain states over a short period of time in the eighties and then, apparently stopped. The girls were mostly 8-12 yrs. old.
The perps, for the cases I've seen solved for JonBenét's age group are mostly acquaintances, neighbors, strangers and step parents.
NCNMEC has a new study of child homicides available free from their site.

 
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3 . "thanks"
Posted by theneedle on Oct-17-99 at 04:34 PM (EST)
Quote:Blue and Brimm.I thought maybe we can stick to cases where a body was actually found.That way we can find out what forensic evidence exists, and if it can be checked against Ramsey.I certainly hope that unsolved child homicide DNA evidence is being saved in a data base somewhere.I do feel as if thats our only hope sometimes.

 
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4 . "needle"
Posted by river on Oct-18-99 at 09:22 AM (EST)
Quote:You're right. There are plenty of other similar crimes. Happens all the time. Why did this case get so much publicity? Rich family, little girl in beauty pageants. Parents appeared on TV. (Big mistake.) Reminded people to much of Susan Smith, and they made an immediate connection. click-click I wonder if the police would have solved the case if the media had kept their nose out of it.

 
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5 . "Jeanna North - Her Killer Escapes"
Posted by Bluefire on Oct-19-99 at 08:02 AM (EST)
Quote:[Image: 0058-usa.jpg]

Jeanna North
Kyle Bell was a neighbor of the Norths when Jeanna disappeared while in-line skating near her home on the night of June 28, 1993. On September 15, 1998. a scumbag named Kyle Bell was charged with murdering her, and convicted of her death. This piece of garbage confessed that he had raped Jeanna and murdered her when she told him that she would tell her parents. He dumped her body in the Sheyenne River near Fargo, North Dakota.
Last week Kyle Bell escaped from a prisoner transport and is apparently free in Texas or Mexico. He has previously lived in Denver. He may have been in jail Christmas, 1996, it is unclear because at one point of time he jumped bail on the molestation charges and ended up in Denver.
Northscape has a number of stories concerning the escape iof this child killer:
http://www.northscape.com/news/sunday.htm
Here is part of the story of this monster from northscape:
Sheriff Mark Milbrandt had dealings with Bell too, "starting in 1983," when Bell was 15 or 16.
"He was convicted of a sex crime here, with a young girl, I believe, and served time in the South Dakota Penitentiary," said Milbrandt, sheriff of Brown County, seated in Aberdeen.
Bell was involved in many offenses, from minor traffic ones, to burglary, assault and the sex crime, Milbrandt said.
His pedophilia, or sexual attraction to young girls, apparently stems back to his youth, too.
Bell grew up in the Bath, S.D., area, north of Aberdeen, near Frederick. His father was physically disabled, confined to a wheelchair. Bell lived mostly with his grandparents in the Bath area.
Connie Groop remembers Bell from his days at high school in Frederick, S.D., just north of Frederick; S.D. Bell, while a junior or senior in the high school, molested a girl in first or second grade on a school bus, said Groop, associate news editor at the Aberdeen American News. "It was a girl in my daughter's class," Groop said Saturday. "That's why I remember it."
The incident, which happened in the mid-1980s, was not brought to law enforcement's attention, but everyone in the community was made aware of it, Groop said.
Bell often was picked on by other youths, too, as well as making trouble himself, Groop said. Bell's parents "had trouble of some kind," Groop said, "and they didn't have and didn't do a lot of things a lot of families do together."
People who knew Bell said he had a charming side, but also a volatile temper that erupted in violence.
By the early 1990s, Bell had fathered children by three different women and owed child support to them, said Harvey Oliver, state's attorney for Brown County, seated in Aberdeen, S.D. When Bell inherited $15,000 from relatives, the state of South Dakota took the money to give to the children, Oliver said. That transaction happened while Bell was in jail in North Dakota in 1993, facing trial for sex crimes.
Bell was convicted in 1994 for molesting two girls, ages 8 and 3, in incidents in which he coaxed them to pose unclothed for suggestive photographs. He was sentenced to 30 years for that and during that trial confessed to killing Jeanna North in Fargo, police say. Milbrandt wasn't suprised when Bell first was suspected in North's death.
Nothing about Bell's escape last week surprises Milbrandt, either. "He was an uncontrollable prisoner. He fought everytime, not physically, but mentally. He wouldn't adhere to anything," Milbrandt said. "You have these special inmates you need to watch, and he was one of them."
Milbrandt has been tipped by law enforcement officials searching for Bell to keep an eye out for him, he might be headed back to Brown County. Bell has an ex-wife in Aberdeen, and likely children, as well as other family members.
"Law enforcement needs to be very careful if they do come in contact with him," Milbrandt said. "He's a dangerous person. He's going to serve life in prison, he's got nothing to lose. That's what scares me."
In my opinion this is the kind of slime ball who murdered JonBenét.

 
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6 . "Not controlled enough"
Posted by mousey on Oct-19-99 at 08:15 AM (EST)
Quote:Same "interests" though.

 
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7 . "Kyle Bell's Denver Trip"
Posted by Bluefire on Oct-19-99 at 09:19 AM (EST)
Quote:You are right Mousey, this slime was in jail in SD at the time anyway.
Nevertheless you can see how easy it is for this sort of monster to move around, set up camp with some woman,.... its a fairly clear picture of the type we are looking for. I suggest that any semi-transients who lived in cheap housing near the Ramseys be investigated. I have always believed that the person who killed JonBenét used a young woman as cover, or as a conspirator. This young woman should perhaps be offered immunity or a light sentence for coming forward at this time?
Bell in Denver
"According to Pederson, Bell is a friendly likable man who showed investigators that he had a temper, but did not appear dangerous."
"Pederson said Bell is smart and could be quick to build a new life somewhere far from North Dakota. He said Bell jumped bail several years ago while he was awaiting trial on the child molestation charges unrelated to the North murder. They found Bell in Denver a few months later, already living with a girlfriend who had a baby of her own.
Pederson said the woman returned with Bell while he stood trial, but returned to her home in Colorado afterward, and likely won't want to have anything to do with Bell."

 
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8 . "Bluefire"
Posted by Misty on Oct-19-99 at 09:29 AM (EST)
Quote:LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-99 AT 09:34 AM (EST)
In your data base, is there a common factor that the children were killed away from the house? In child abductions (pedophiles), the child is usually killed away from the house and the body is found (I think I have this right), on average, within 200 yards of the murder site.

 
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9 . "Neighborhood Perverts"
Posted by Bluefire on Oct-19-99 at 10:14 AM (EST)
Quote:The problem with my data base is that it only includes missing children, or those missing children who have been found or the perp caught, tried and convicted. These are abducted children so by definition they would be further away than 50 feet from the point of abduction. I believe that JonBenét would legally be considered an abducted child under traditional legal definitions if it were proven that she was removed from her bed to the basement by lure or by force, because it is more than 50 feet. Jonbenét was, in the traditional legal definbition, abducted.
But yes, most murdered abducted children are found within a 1/4 mile of their home. Many, for example, are taken to the neighbor's house (where the perp lives, usually semi-transient) which may be accross the street, or to a vacant lot near the house, or to the basement of an apartment, or an abandoned building. Then, unfortunately, there are perps with cars who lure, or grab a child off the street. Often the victim's body is never found in this case. So my data (vanished children) would be biased towards longer distances.
Now I think this brings up an interesting point:
JonBenét was removed from her bed and either lured or carried to the basement which was two floors down in a house the size of a small apartment building. The crime was committed in the basement. It is technically an abduction because the child was mover more than 50 feet to the site where she was assaulted and murdered. Noone has ever reported seeing a suspicious automobile. So I think it might be indicitive of an abduction by someone who lived close by who had no family except a girlfriend (perhaps accompolice)and no automobile.
The question is, what happened at the crime scene to cause the perpetrator to abandon the simple plan of stun gun the child and carry out to his rented space?? the party? the church service? perhaps it began to snow? or JonBenét resisted? Or the female accompolice got paranoid? the scream? something psychological? Some factor we've never considered?
A semi-transient neighbor hiding behind a girlfriend/accompolice (why are these women attracted to such monsters?) could have come from anywhere in the US (or abroad). He could have watched JonBenét and Burke play in the driveway or on the sidewalk, watched the family come and go and know their schedule, that they were rich. it would be easy to reconnitor the house, to break in when he/she they knew the house would be empty, to borrow the pad for an hour and return it. They would know that the Ramseys were lax in keeping the doors locked, might even be aware of where the key was hidden (most people hide their keys in such obvious places... they might as well leave the doors wide open IMO it would be safer). They would have had an opportunity to talk with JonBenét and Burke in what would have seemed an innocent exchange, "Whats your name little girl? Sure is a nice bike.... you know Santa is going to pay you a secret visit... " But how do you spell JonBenét?? Zjohnbenhey? The neighbor didn't know.
This theme of neighbor perverts killing children runs through so very many of these cases, I think, after hearing Maikai's report on the neighborhood, that this particular line of investigation needs to be followed through carefully. I would particularly look at anyone semi-transient whose girlfriend was the alibi.

 
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10 . "Another Mid-Night Burgler?"
Posted by mousey on Oct-19-99 at 11:10 AM (EST)
Quote:LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-99 AT 11:11 AM (EST)
Early morning stabbing reported in Boulder
Boulder Police are investigating a stabbing reported at 3:10 a.m. today at 1444 Folsom St.
The unknown suspect entered the victim's apartment through an unlocked door on a second story balcony. After the attack, the suspect fled in an unknown direction.
The 22-year-old victim is recovering at Boulder Community Hospital. She is reported to be in stable condition.
This is the second incident of a similar nature reported at this apartment complex since August. No suspect has been identified in either incident.
Police are urging residents to lock all doors and windows, and to report any suspicious activity in the area.
Although there is no known connection to other cases in Boulder, detectives will investigate whether today's attack may be related to other, similar incidents.
Anyone with information about the attack is asked to call Boulder Police Detectives at 303-441-3330.

 
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11 . "Rape-murder"
Posted by RHGC on Oct-19-99 at 11:15 AM (EST)
Quote:We had a somewhat similar case in Stamford 1n 1979, though the girl was 15. The rapist killed her when she said she would tell about the incident. I was serving in the state senate at the time and got passage of a bill making rape-murder a capital offense. Otherwise, the penalty for rape was not significantly different from murder and it encouraged the perp to kill the victim.

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  note - not handwriting
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-29-2018, 01:52 PM - Forum: Handwriting - Replies (2)

"pads of paper"
Posted by jams on Dec-24-99 at 00:04 AM (EST)

Quote:Seems that there were pads removed from the Ramsey house - at least two.
One was taken from the house at some point by Linda Hoffman Pugh - she gave it to investigators after the murder.
Another was taken from the house on the night of the party on December 23rd, 1996 - by none other than Fleet White.
Fleet was using a notepad to take notes while he was on the telephone. He took the pad with him when he left to go to Denver International Airport that evening, since all of his notes were on the pad.
Now, I don't happen to think either Fleet or Linda killed JonBenét Ramsey - but I want to let people know there WERE pads floating around.
Could someone have taken a pad from the house and returned it? Apparently the answer to that is "Yes."

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Posted by: jameson245 - 08-29-2018, 01:45 PM - Forum: Presumed Guilty - No Replies

"Epilogue of Singular's book"
Posted by Karebear on Dec-23-99 at 02:46 AM (EST)

Quote: If this topic has been raised before, I'm sorry. This is something that has haunted me ever since I finished Singular's book and I would like to hear from anyone who has any thoughts on it, please. This comes from the epilogue, pages 240-241.
"Two weeks later, a listener informed me of the arrest of an individual who knew people connected to JonBenet's death. This middle-class and technoligically sophisticated man had been imprisoned for commiting numerous crimes against children. I visited him in jail one afternoon in mid-February. He looked very much the way I'd pictured him: overweight, sagging and soft. He had a weak mouth and was pale and nondescript, except for his eyes. they were narrow, hurt and fearful, difficult to gaze into or away from. They were dull and very, very sad. He wanted to talk and referred me to his lawyer. "I never did anything with children," he said, "except be too permissive. With just one child. That's all it was." Two hours later, I was sitting with his attorney in his office discussing how his client's information might be useful in prosecuting the Ramsey case and in negotiating a deal to reduce his charges. As I described these events, Hunter asked a number of questions about the inmate's legal status. He was cautious and skeptical, but said he would move forward with this lead...The following day, the inmate's lawyer called Boulder defense attorney Lee Hill, who had also worked as a prosecutor. His client was ready to talk and "wanted to help himself." The lawyer had already told his local D.A. that his client had been approached about the Ramsey matter and was now willing to speak to the authorities about the homicide.
The epilogue ends like this...Now someone in jail wanted to speak to the right people about the killing, and now it was the D.A.'s turn to act, to free himself from the grasp of a murder that had enveloped him in its darkness.
I don't understand how anyone could end a book like this. Does anyone know who this inmate is, who the people are who he says are connected with Jonbenet's death and if this has been looked into?? Again, I'm sorry if this subject has already been covered, but it seems to me that this could be quite substantial. Thank you for reading this.
KB



1 . "Karebear"
Posted by SpiritRain on Dec-23-99 at 05:52 AM (EST)
Quote: I appreciate your hard work in this post, but I have not read the book. Thanks for pointing it out. I will look for it at the library.

 
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2 . "Singular"
Posted by jams on Dec-23-99 at 08:44 AM (EST)
Quote:When I read the book, I felt robbed - just wanted to hear more. Singular has so much more information than would fit in the book and I hope it isn't lost forever.
I have offered him a place on this discussion board - would love to have him post. Maybe one day. I can't imagine he LIKES the silence.

 
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3 . "Hi Kar"
Posted by AMM on Dec-23-99 at 10:15 AM (EST)
Quote:I didn't read the book either. But thanks to your post I will. "quite substantial" is right.
AMM

 
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13 . "Jams"
Posted by Karebear on Dec-23-99 at 08:54 PM (EST)
Quote:>When I read the book, I felt
>robbed - just wanted to hear
>more. Singular has so much
>more information than would fit in
>the book and I hope it
>isn't lost forever.
>I have offered him a place on
>this discussion board - would love
>to have him post. Maybe
>one day. I can't imagine
>he LIKES the silence.
Are you saying that he has a lot more information about the Ramsey case? Why on earth would he omit that from the book? Has he actually said "No" about posting here or not really given you an answer? I can't imagine the authorities not following up on this. Do you think what he claims is legitimate? Can you get an e-mail sent to him?
KB

 
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4 . "my thoughts"
Posted by Mikie on Dec-23-99 at 10:54 AM (EST)
Quote:Not knowing when this occurred, ("two weeks later" than what?), I suspect it was some time ago.
I think there are a lot of criminals out there who would be willing to tell you about anything if it would help them get a lighter sentence. The credibility of the man is definitely questionable.

 
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5 . "What an odd turn of phrase...."
Posted by mousey on Dec-23-99 at 11:39 AM (EST)
Quote:"a listener informed me of the arrest of an individual who knew people connected to JonBenet's death"
I mean, they don't know who did it, so how could anyone claim to know someone "connected to" it? It's just odd wording to me...can't really tell what he intends to imply.

 
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6 . "Singular"
Posted by jams on Dec-23-99 at 11:46 AM (EST)
Quote:Singular is saying that someone in jail is informing on people they say killed JonBenét. And he is saying the police are not - or were not - actively checking the leed as legitimate. I know Singular, Peterson and several others have been VERY upset by the apparent lack of interest in any tip that doesn't point to the Ramseys.
It took the BPD a YEAR to check out the McElroy tip. As far as I know they still have NOT checked out Singular's tip - or asked Peterson for his files. I DO know they haven't asked me for all I have on JoeCarl.
When (and if) this investigation is finally investigated, there could be a LOT exposed.

 
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7 . "the library copy"
Posted by LovelyPigeon on Dec-23-99 at 11:55 AM (EST)
Quote:that I read didn't even go that far! It ended abruptly, with no ending, and not even the theorized idea that the parents *lent* JonBenét out for the night.
Methinks that book was extremely cheaply produced.

 
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8 . "Can the Ramseys sue"
Posted by violet on Dec-23-99 at 02:51 PM (EST)
Quote:the Boulder Police Department for failure to investigate substantial leads in the death of their daughter?
I hope Peterson and Singular are talking to the Ramsey investigators.

 
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9 . "Gee - "
Posted by jams on Dec-23-99 at 06:30 PM (EST)
Quote:I don't think they can sue the BPD - I think the cops are protected from such lawsuits.

 
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10 . "Singular"
Posted by Guppy on Dec-23-99 at 08:30 PM (EST)
Quote:I really can't say why, but even though Singular's
book didn't deliver what one might expect from the
title, I found myself liking him anyway. I always
appreciate honesty, and he let us know about his
lack of progress in re-focusing the investigation
every step of the way. (Since a reporter can't
interact with the world of child pornography with-
out risking arrest, the only way to see if there
is a link is to convince the police to pursue it.)
If he ever wanders in here, I would love to hear
what he has to say.

 
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12 . "Guppy"
Posted by Karebear on Dec-23-99 at 08:51 PM (EST)
Quote:I really can't say why, but even
though Singular's book didn't deliver what
one might expect from the title,
I found myself liking him anyway.
I agree wholeheartedly. He's very straightforward, and yet, I can't believe he would leave the reader hanging like that.
KB

 
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11 . "Mikie"
Posted by Karebear on Dec-23-99 at 08:49 PM (EST)
Quote:The credibility
of the man is definitely questionable.
How can you say that without knowing anything about the man??
KB

 
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14 . "Kb"
Posted by Mikie on Dec-23-99 at 09:12 PM (EST)
Quote:This middle-class and technoligically sophisticated man had been imprisoned for commiting numerous crimes against children.

 
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15 . "Mikie..."
Posted by Karebear on Dec-23-99 at 09:29 PM (EST)
Quote:>This middle-class and technoligically sophisticated man had
>been imprisoned for commiting numerous crimes
>against children.
and...???
KB

 
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16 . "KareBear"
Posted by Mikie on Dec-24-99 at 11:12 AM (EST)
Quote:Sorry, I was interrupted and unable to complete my explanation.
The point is that he was in prison or jail for committing crimes. I will not say that he is innocent or guilty. We do not know. However, it is a sign of his demeanor or his character that he has done something wrong. And how could it be that Singular states unequivocably that he "committed crimes" if that were not so. I believe that there are people who have criminal tendencies in their basic character. The people who are criminals are likely to be self-serving, and although some people might think that a prison term will correct that flaw, I do not. It might make someone regret past actions. It might make a person think twice about doing it again. But in general it probably just makes him do it more conspicuously in the future. This is not a very nice thing to say, I know. I get it from my astrology studies of criminal cases. I see the characteristics of people from their birthcharts and then I see it in their actions. I see that people like Bruno Hautpman and Richard Eberling have uncontrolable impulses to commit crimes with little regard for the feelings of others, and I believe it is possible that many people like them are never imprisoned.
So this man who has committed crimes against children is probably just thinking of his way out of his situation. He does not care if others are hurt by his actions. He only cares about himself. Therefore he might be seizing the opportunity to "spill beans" about JonBenet for a lighter sentence, and the moment of truth probably came and went when his revelations weren't worth beans.
It's just a hunch but if he knew important things don't you think the case would be solved by now?

 
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17 . "personally..."
Posted by jams on Dec-24-99 at 03:35 PM (EST)
Quote:I think the investigation has been limited by egos and blind loyalties; I believe that is why the killer is still walking free after three years.
Remember, it took a year to get them to look at McElroy. Other leads have apparently not been followed YET!
Could this criminal have the answer? Maybe - I don't think it would kill anyone to listen to him and check it out.
Someone could die because leads have NOT been followed, however. That is pretty sad.

 
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18 . "Mikie"
Posted by Karebear on Dec-24-99 at 06:30 PM (EST)
Quote:IF he knew important things AND this lead had been followed up on, then YES, I think there is a chance it would have been solved by now. Like Jameson said, it took a year or more for them to look into McElroy. See my point??
KB

 
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19 . "yes, I get the point"
Posted by Mikie on Dec-24-99 at 07:03 PM (EST)
Quote:I occasionally wonder if the authorities are ever going to get on the right track. But usually I believe they are just about to. Wish I knew.

 
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20 . "Mikie,"
Posted by Karebear on Dec-24-99 at 07:52 PM (EST)
Quote:that is precisely why I firmly believe that this case will NEVER be solved. Why would the BPD go back and look into other possibilities after 3 years and since they "know" the Ramseys were involved but just don't have enough hard evidence. How embarassing that would be to have to admit that they may have been barking up the wrong tree for three years when all along the killer is free to live his life however he pleases. If someone could somehow convince me not to lose all hope, well, that would be just about a miracle.
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Posted by: jameson245 - 08-29-2018, 01:29 PM - Forum: Quiet, Samantha Foster - Replies (1)

"Stillwater"
Posted by jameson on Nov-13-99 at 10:25 AM (EST)

Quote:
From the Stillwater site:
A number of questions have been posed to us about the title of the book Quiet, Samantha Foster. We will address them now:
Samantha Foster is the fictional character that'll represent JonBenet. Jack and Peggy will represent her parents. Michael will represent her brother.
Why will the book be produced as a novel? It's the only way Stillwater gave permission.
Quiet, Samantha Foster - the book - will not be a tiring replay of everything you know. The author felt too much had been already written about the murder of JonBenet in that manner. In this book, the author wanted to take a whole different tack. The novel will answer the questions of why, how, and who killed JonBenet by answering the same questions for the murder of a 6-year-old Samantha. The protagonist in the novel will be Michael Foster, who will be 15 years old instead of Burke's 9. Everything you see will be seen through the eyes of this boy. The reader will travel with him through, first, the wonderful times of a closely-knit family, then through the darkest moments of a horrific crime committed against his baby sister, through trauma, anguish, and torment toward resolution and truth. The journey will be devastating, the conclusion, in this case, even worse. That'll be the nature of Quiet, Samantha Foster.
John Ramsey is wealthy and connected in Boulder, Colorado. Jack Foster, his counterpart, will not be wealthy but will be as well connected, only in a dissimilar way - he will be a respected police officer in Nassau County, New York. When a crime transpires in his home, he will be as unsuspected as John Ramsey was in his.
The general public does not consider Patsy Ramsey exceptionally intelligent, and they don't particularly 'like' her; in all fairness to Patsy this is the bias, after the fact, tainted also by her child-pageant involvements and the popular opinion toward them. Meanwhile, Peggy Foster will be presented to the reader as highly intelligent, a role model of a wife and a mother. All of this is done not for the sake of experiential diversity alone but, more importantly, to tell America and our insular selves that a crime of this kind and magnitude against an innocent child need not be an isolated event.
There are lessons to be learned from this murder for all of us, and the author will make you feel them intimately and deeply by taking you on a journey through the life of the Foster family, one that is wholly different from the Ramseys on the surface but, beneath that cosmetic outermost layer, is in so many ways no different from theirs, yours or mine. And all of that through the eyes of a boy - the other unspoken victim that we have so easily forgotten.
So much for this being a book that will solve the Ramsey crime. Like the Wallington book, the Wecht book and the Stobie book, this will be pure crap.
Can't the publishers start taking responsibility for some of the stuff they put out? Damn, this stuff is sickening - media whores dancing on the grave of a child.
These people didn't know the child, they don't know the case and they are simply cashing on on someone's misery. Sick.

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Posted by: jameson245 - 08-29-2018, 01:28 PM - Forum: Quiet, Samantha Foster - No Replies

"Stillwater"
Posted by jameson on Nov-13-99 at 10:25 AM (EST)

Quote:
From the Stillwater site:
A number of questions have been posed to us about the title of the book Quiet, Samantha Foster. We will address them now:
Samantha Foster is the fictional character that'll represent JonBenet. Jack and Peggy will represent her parents. Michael will represent her brother.
Why will the book be produced as a novel? It's the only way Stillwater gave permission.
Quiet, Samantha Foster - the book - will not be a tiring replay of everything you know. The author felt too much had been already written about the murder of JonBenet in that manner. In this book, the author wanted to take a whole different tack. The novel will answer the questions of why, how, and who killed JonBenet by answering the same questions for the murder of a 6-year-old Samantha. The protagonist in the novel will be Michael Foster, who will be 15 years old instead of Burke's 9. Everything you see will be seen through the eyes of this boy. The reader will travel with him through, first, the wonderful times of a closely-knit family, then through the darkest moments of a horrific crime committed against his baby sister, through trauma, anguish, and torment toward resolution and truth. The journey will be devastating, the conclusion, in this case, even worse. That'll be the nature of Quiet, Samantha Foster.
John Ramsey is wealthy and connected in Boulder, Colorado. Jack Foster, his counterpart, will not be wealthy but will be as well connected, only in a dissimilar way - he will be a respected police officer in Nassau County, New York. When a crime transpires in his home, he will be as unsuspected as John Ramsey was in his.
The general public does not consider Patsy Ramsey exceptionally intelligent, and they don't particularly 'like' her; in all fairness to Patsy this is the bias, after the fact, tainted also by her child-pageant involvements and the popular opinion toward them. Meanwhile, Peggy Foster will be presented to the reader as highly intelligent, a role model of a wife and a mother. All of this is done not for the sake of experiential diversity alone but, more importantly, to tell America and our insular selves that a crime of this kind and magnitude against an innocent child need not be an isolated event.
There are lessons to be learned from this murder for all of us, and the author will make you feel them intimately and deeply by taking you on a journey through the life of the Foster family, one that is wholly different from the Ramseys on the surface but, beneath that cosmetic outermost layer, is in so many ways no different from theirs, yours or mine. And all of that through the eyes of a boy - the other unspoken victim that we have so easily forgotten.
So much for this being a book that will solve the Ramsey crime. Like the Wallington book, the Wecht book and the Stobie book, this will be pure crap.
Can't the publishers start taking responsibility for some of the stuff they put out? Damn, this stuff is sickening - media whores dancing on the grave of a child.
These people didn't know the child, they don't know the case and they are simply cashing on on someone's misery. Sick.

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  guests at Christmas party 12/23/1996
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-28-2018, 11:12 PM - Forum: odds and ends - Replies (4)

 
 
      People at the Ramsey's Christmas party Dec. 23, 1996, 5pm-8pm
 
      * John and Patsy Ramsey, Burke, JonBenét
      * Don Paugh
 
      * Fleet and Priscilla White, daughter (5-6), son (7-8)
      * Mr. & Mrs. R.A. Brown (Priscilla's parents)
      * Cliff Gaston, boyfriend of Priscilla's sister, Allison Shoeny (attended alone, without his
      girlfriend) Said to be from California
      * Bill Cox, husband of Priscilla's niece Heather. (attended alone, without his wife) Said
      to be from California
 
      * John and Barbara Fernie, son (10), daughter (14-15?)
      * Friend of the Fernies - male (about 9)
 
      * Glen and Susan Stine, son (9)
      * Susan's mother
      * Glen's mother
 
      * Larry and Pinkie Barber, daughter (10?), son (6?)
 
      * Joe and Betty Barnhill
      * Their tenant Glenn Meyer said he was there
 
      * Linda Hoffman-Pugh, Ariana (12)
 
      * Bill and Janet McReynolds

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  Ollie Gray
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-26-2018, 10:17 PM - Forum: Names to remember - No Replies

Ollie Gray: Mar 30, 1936 – Apr 6, 2017

He started out working for the Boulder Police department but when he told them he couldn't help them make a case against the Ramseys - he saw evidence of an intruder  he as let go.  He later went on to work on the investigation on his own.  He always looked for the intruder.  Never believed the Ramseys did this.


I counted him as a true friend and after he passed, I inherited his files.


RIP, Ollie

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  RIP Dr. Beuf
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-26-2018, 10:09 PM - Forum: Prior sexual abuse - Replies (1)

Dr. Francesco Beuf: May 13, 1933 – May 11, 2017

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  Orchid Club
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-23-2018, 08:41 AM - Forum: Colorado crimes - No Replies

Archives | 1996
16 Indicted On Charges Of Internet Pornography
By TIM GOLDEN
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The case began last spring with familiar horror: a 6-year-old girl returning home from a slumber party with a tale of sexual abuse by the father of one of her young friends.
Today, Federal officials said the girl in a small central California town had led them to one of the more distant frontiers of sexual crime.
In an indictment handed up here, a Federal grand jury charged 16 people in the United States and abroad with joining in a pornography ring that was effectively an on-line pedophilia club. Its members shared homemade pictures, recounted their sexual experiences with children and even chatted electronically as two of the men molested a 10-year-old girl, the authorities said.
The case appeared likely to heighten concerns about the spread of child pornography over the Internet. Debate has grown steadily over whether or how the government should impose obscenity standards in cyberspace, and Republican leaders have increasingly attacked the Clinton Administration for being insufficiently vigorous in the prosecution of on-line pornography cases.
Federal officials who investigated what defendants in the San Jose case called the "Orchid Club" said the crimes they came upon had little to do with questions of privacy or free speech.
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"The thing that ups the ante in this case is that allegations of distribution of pornography are coupled with serious allegations of child molestation," said Leland B. Altschuler, the head of the United States Attorney's office in San Jose. "It's an issue relating to the protection of children, not to the First Amendment."
All 16 defendants were charged with conspiracy to possess and distribute child pornography, a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. Six of the men were also charged with joining or abetting in the sexual exploitation of children. The six have already pleaded not guilty to sexual-abuse charges filed against them by local prosecutors.
In addition to 13 men arrested around the United States, officials said the group included members in Finland, Canada and Australia. Although arrest warrants have been issued for those three, officials said they were still only known by their computer aliases.
Investigators from the Federal Bureau of Investigation said they had been brought into the case by Sheriff's deputies in Monterey County, south of San Francisco.

Responding to a complaint by the mother of the 6-year-old in Greenfield, a farming town that calls itself the "broccoli capital" of California, deputies were led first to the father of the girls who had been hosts to the slumber party, Ronald Riva. They also found computer equipment that one 10-year-old said had been used to record her as she posed for Mr. Riva and a friend of his, Melton L. Myers.
Both men were arrested on April 22.
With help from Customs Service investigators in Silicon Valley, F.B.I. agents eventually uncovered computer files that began to trace the scope of the Orchid Club, one of the thousands of virtual conference rooms of Internet Relay Chat.
Officials said they did not have to conduct wire-tap surveillance or break into encrypted files; two of the accused conspirators collaborated with investigators, going on-line in the presence of law-enforcement agents to help track other members of the club.
The authorities said it was still unclear how Mr. Riva, 38, and Mr. Myers, a 54-year-old truck driver who had been convicted of molesting two children in Orange County in 1971, had found the other participants in the chat room.
Members of the club were received on the recommendations of other members, the officials said. After being given a password to enter the chat room, they were initiated by recounting one of their sexual experiences with a child. At least eight children were molested in connection with the club.
Transcripts from some of the conversations indicate that days before the party held at Mr. Riva's home, he asked other members of the club how they might like him to videotape the 10-year-old girl. While the abuse went on, prosecutors said, Mr. Riva and Mr. Myers continued the queries, describing to others in the chat room what they were doing.
"Some called it a 'virtual molestation,' " said D. Anthony West, the Federal prosecutor in charge of the case. "I think it was a very real molestation."

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