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  jameson posts
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:20 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (3)

[url=http://www.webbsleuths.com/][/url][b]2002-04-26: Webbsleuths Forum (http://www.webbsleuths.com)
"Pineapple"
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jameson
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6366 posts Apr-26-02, 10:19 PM (EST)

"Pineapple"

From the autopsy - "The proximal portion of the small intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple."

There is a great debate about when JBR ate that pineapple.

It seems it came from a bowl of pineapple found on the table in the Ramsey breakfast room. Patsy and Burke had left their prints on the bowl. Burke's prints were on the glass. JBR's ptints were not found there.

I think she grabbed a few chunks with her fingers as they were getting ready to leave for the Whites'.

Others say the killer fed it to her and then waited for it to pass through her stomach to kill her.

Dr. Dobersen told me personally that theere is no way to determine when she ate that pineapple - - too many unknown factors involved, but she could have eaten it before leaving home that day.

Even Steve Thomas, in his book, admits that is a possibility - though he says it is at the out limits of the possible time.

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  More from Steve Thomas
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:17 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (1)

[/url][url=http://www.acandyrose.com/04132000gma.htm]2000-04-13: Steve Thomas Chat on ABC Good Morning America

Tammy at 12:24pm ET:
What are your thoughts on the findings of pineapple in JonBenét's stomach?

Steve Thomas at 12:25pm ET:

"There was fresh pineapple in the victim's upper digestive tract. There was fresh pineapple, consistent with the rind, in a bowl on the breakfast table with Patsy's fingerprint on it. That affords me a rather simple explanation, given it was fresh pineapple."

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  Steve Thomas' book
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:13 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (3)

2000-04-11: “JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation”
by Steve Thomas and Don Davis, April 11, 2000


ST Page 137

"We tried to get information about bedtime snacks and managed to learn that the girl loved grapes, sliced apples, and fruit of all kinds, especially pineapple. Give her a whole can and she'd eat it. We knew she ate pineapple the night she died, and now her grandmother told us how much the child loved it. While she was talking, I weighed some alternatives. That she was given a bedtime snack from the bowl that had Patsy's fingerprints made more sense to me than the possibility of an intruder feeding the child pineapple, keeping her alive long enough for it to reach her digestive tract, then killing her."

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  On the Today Show 3/24/2000
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:12 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - No Replies

[/url][url=http://www.acandyrose.com/03242000ramseytodaypt5.htm]2000-03-24: John and Patsy Ramsey on the Today Show (Part 5)



(SNIP)



COURIC: For every clue, a new question, like the autopsy finding that JonBenet ate pineapple just hours before she died. None was served at dinner that night, so when did JonBenet eat it? Let's address the mystery of the pineapple. That's been a source of a lot of speculation about what she did when you all got home from that Christmas party. Did she really go straight to bed? Did she eat pineapple...

Mr. RAMSEY: Let's...

COURIC: ...before she went to bed?

Mr. RAMSEY: Let's deal with the facts that I know. The facts are that JonBenet was asleep when we brought her home, we put her to bed, and neither Patsy or I fed her anything, because she was asleep. Those are the facts.

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  In PMPT
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:09 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (1)

1999-02-18: “Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, JonBenet and the City of Boulder”
Written by Lawrence Schiller, February 18, 1999


PMPT Page 239sb

"By mid-February the FBI and the CBI forensics technicians had concluded part of their fingerprint typing and fiber analysis. CBI told the Boulder police that no prints had been found on the black duct tape that John Ramsey said he removed from his daughter's mouth and none were found on the broken artist's paintbrush used to make the "garrote" found around JonBenet's neck. The CBI had been able to identify two fingerprints found on a white bowl on the dining room table that contained uneaten pineapple. One print belonged to Burke and the other to Patsy. Since partly digested pineapple had been found in JonBenet's small intestine at the autopsy, the police wondered if the Ramseys had been less than candid about JonBenet's bedtime activities and what time she fell asleep. Patsy and John had never mentioned with whom, where, or when their daughter had eaten pineapple."


[u]PMPT Page 433[/u]

"The police had to piece together the findings of the various pathologists, who had explained to them that when food is swallowed, it goes first to the stomach, then passes to the duodenum, and from there to the lower small intestine. Eventually, the digested food passes into the large bowel, from which it exits. Food found in the stomach and intestines can sometimes be used to estimate the time of ingestion and to narrow the time of death.

In the Ramseys' dining room, just steps away from the kitchen, the police had found a bowl with fresh pineapple in it. Meyer noted in his report that the pineapple in JonBenét's small intestine was in near-perfect condition -- it had sharp edges and looked as if it had been recently eaten and poorly chewed.

Based on the condition of the pineapple in her intestine, the experts estimated that JonBenét had eaten it an hour and a half or two hours before she died, most likely after the family returned home that night. If she had eaten the pineapple after 10:30 P.M., that made the approximate time of death not earlier than midnight."

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  John Ramsey in interview with LS
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 04:59 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (6)

June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Questioning Regarding the Pineapple)

0205
23 LOU SMIT: Okay. I think that's kind of a
24 chronological that kind of gets up to the hearing.
25 Now I would like to go over the specifics. And

0206
1 this here is academic questions about heating. And
2 you brought up this that you heard something about
3 pineapple. Now what have you heard about
4 pineapple?

5 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we were asked if JonBenet
6 had eaten any pineapple, because apparently it was
7 found in her system. I don't know if the police
8 asked us that or we saw it on television or the
9 question came up. I don't remember her eating
10 pineapple, I don't remember pineapple at Fleet's
11 or the White's house. It sort of been a very
12 logical hors d'oeuvres. I don't' remember
13 specifically if it was there.
14 I think part of the question was what did she eat
15 when she got home, and I'm sure she didn't because
16 she was absolutely sound asleep. So I don't know
17 nothing about the basis of the question.

18 LOU SMIT: That's why I wanted to show you
19 the picture. I just didn't know what you had heard
20 of this thing. I'm going to show you what's called
21 a picture of 414.
22 This is a photograph that's taken of the dining
23 room table. And it shows various things on the
24 dining room table. Do you see the gingerbread
25 houses? And then you see a bowl on that

0207
1 (INAUDIBLE)?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
3 LOU SMIT: What else do you see on there?

4 JOHN RAMSEY: I see a glass with what looks
5 like (INAUDIBLE). Tissues on the glass. A couple
6 knives.

7 LOU SMIT: Do you have any idea how that got
8 on that table?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: It might have been (INAUDIBLE)
10 that's a big bowl.
11 LOU SMIT: I'm going to straighten out the
12 picture so we'll want a close up of everything.

13 This is a photograph of 417. what does that
14 represent there?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it's a large spoon, not
16 a teaspoon. It looks like Patsy's good silver. I
17 guess that could be pineapple, I can't tell. But
18 it could be. Some people (INAUDIBLE) pineapple to
19 make it old and there's this teabag in an empty
20 glass. I can't tell, but it looks like there is
21 some milk or something.
22 LOU SMIT: Who do you know would eat
23 pineapple like that? Do you have any idea?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Well the kids like pineapple,
25 but that's a big bowl and this is a big spoon and

0208
1 I can't imagine that the kids would have something
2 like that at any time. Certainly not with iced
3 tea, I don't think. They don't even drink iced
4 tea. I think they do not. (INAUDIBLE) yeah.

5 LOU SMIT: John, I just wanted to kind
6 of check back with you. Now these obviously are
7 crime scene photographs.
8 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
9 LOU SMIT: And this is the condition that
10 things are found when pictures are taken. We're
11 trying to explain that, even in correlating it
12 with your daughter (INAUDIBLE)?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. Could that have been
14 gotten out by someone who was in there that
15 morning, I wonder?
16 LOU SMIT: I don't know. That's a thought.
17 What do you think?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't know. I mean I don't --
19 that's just a huge --
20 LOU SMIT: You mean somebody who had been
21 (INAUDIBLE)?
22 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, the Fernies or the
23 Whites or, there were a lot of people in the house
24 that were -- that would not be like us to leave
25 that. Certainly not leaving the next morning on a

0209
1 trip, to leave it like that, out.
2 That's a big bowl, whatever it is, if it's
3 pineapple.

4 MIKE KANE: Do you recognize the bowl?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, I don't know. I recognize
6 the spoon, because it's a big serving spoon. It's
7 not like a teaspoon. And that could be one of our
8 bowls. We had white bowls like that. Patsy would
9 recognize it for sure. It looks like our glass.
10 LOU SMIT: Who would drink tea with a teabag
11 in the glass?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: Somebody who would drink tea,
13 I guess. I don't know. I don't drink tea. Burke
14 will drink sweet ice tea. I don't remember if
15 JonBenet did, if she did.
16 I mean, even for someone who's there and to get
17 out that big of a bowl and put that much pineapple
18 in it and just leave it. That doesn't make sense.

19 MIKE KANE: That was a serving spoon?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: It's a big serving spoon. I
21 mean don't even have an answer.
22 MIKE KANE: (INAUDIBLE) taken out and put
23 back in the refrigerator. Could that have
24 (INAUDIBLE) where it had been?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: It's possible.

0210

1 MIKE KANE: Any other tea drinkers in the
2 house?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy drank tea. She likes
4 sweet ice tea.
5 MIKE KANE: (INAUDIBLE)?
6 JOHN RAMSEY: I believe, not much, once
7 in a while.
8 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE) sweet ice tea, you
9 can put a tea bag (INAUDIBLE)?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, no. With sweet ice tea
11 you have to make the tea. And I don't know how you
12 do it, but she puts sugar in it or something. It's
13 a southern drink. But, no.
14 I mean, first of all, it was hot tea. You
15 wouldn't it in that kind of a glass, it was weird.
16 That doesn't make sense.

17 LOU SMIT: You see, this is the trouble.
18 That we don't know. We don't know the answer. We
19 just didn't know whether it was like that or
20 (INAUDIBLE) around it.
21 JOHN RAMSEY: I would almost think that
22 (INAUDIBLE) that's Patsy's too. But that would not
23 have been left out by us where it would be for any
24 extended period of time. And that is a huge bowl
25 of pineapple or whatever it is and a big spoon.

0211
1 LOU SMIT: On the 26th, that was the
2 morning of the 26th, John, do you remember eating
3 at that time?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't, but -- No, I don't.
5 I think there was -- I don't know, I don't
6 remember. There might have been some coffee made
7 or something like that. I don't think anybody was
8 feeling to eat.

9 LOU SMIT: Where would you keep pineapple?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: If it were opened, it would
11 have been kept in the refrigerator.
12 LOU SMIT: And that's the walk-in one?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. If it were not open,
14 it would be in the pantry. This little (INAUDIBLE)
15 was here with the cans. (INAUDIBLE) next to the
16 cans. I mean it doesn't look like -- the kids
17 wouldn't have gotten that thing and the spoon
18 down. I mean, that's huge for a child's mouth.
19 They would have gotten a little spoon or a fork.
20 They wouldn't have fixed themselves that big a
21 bowl.

22 LOU SMIT: Is this the first time that
23 you knew about this?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: It's the first time I've
25 seen it, yeah.

0212 1 DAVID WILLIAMS: Can we take a look at the
2 photographs?
3 MIKE KANE: While your doing that, could
4 I ask, you said you had cans of pineapple normally
5 would be kept in that pantry that's open. Do you
6 ever by fresh pineapple (INAUDIBLE)?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: We did not, not that I remember.
8 No. I mean, we had --
9 LOU SMIT: What other kind of fruit did you
10 have around?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Well we had apples around;
12 bananas, a lot of bananas. The kids loved
13 bananas. Grapes, green grapes.
14 LOU SMIT: Where would (INAUDIBLE)
15 JOHN RAMSEY: The bananas would be hanging
16 from a little stand that was kept in the kitchen
17 over in this area. The grapes tended to be in the
18 refrigerator. I don't remember specifically.
19 LOU SMIT: Do you know if JonBenet would
20 ever get up in the middle of the night to eat
21 these things?
22 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't think so. Not -- no.
23 DAVID WILLIAMS: Was that fresh? pineapple?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: No. But, no, that would be,
25 certainly not a glass that with a teabag in it. It

0213
1 absolutely doesn't make any sense for the kids to
2 have left that there.
3 LOU SMIT: Well we can come back to that later. I
4 do want to talk about that a little bit later. You
5 got any more questions?
6 MIKE KANE: No.
7 JOHN RAMSEY: But, I mean, it's strange.
8 It doesn't (INAUDIBLE).

9 LOU SMIT: This is also another picture,
10 picture 416, which also shows the same bowl, only
11 it shows the gingerbread house, and there's some
12 Kleenex on there and things of that nature. So I
13 don't know. Is that the gingerbread house that the
14 children were making?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It looks like it. This
16 was like in -- Patsy would know. I'm not sure why
17 a Kleenex box is there either. That's not normal
18 for a Kleenex box.
19 LOU SMIT: What do you say about that?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I guess it doesn't
21 belong on the kitchen table. I don't know where it
22 came from, but that's now it aught to be.

23 LOU SMIT: Well, I'm sure that Patsy is
24 going to be asked the same question. Maybe she
25 remembers more on this or not. Is it possible that

0214
1 that could have been left out, maybe because to be
2 (INAUDIBLE)?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: I doubt it very much.
4 LOU SMIT: Whey do you say that?

5 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we were leaving town
6 the next morning. We would be gone nearly for a
7 week and a half. I've never seen a teabag left in
8 a glass like that in our house. I know we're not
9 the neatest people in the world, but I don't think
10 we'd have left an open bowl of fruit sitting on
11 the kitchen table.

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  9 pageants
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 12:45 PM - Forum: Pageants - No Replies

JonBenet had been in 9 pageants in the 2 years preceding her death in December, 1996.


JONBENET'S PAGEANT TITLES:
Colorado State All-Star kids Pageant: April 1994 or 5.
Little Miss Charlevoix: June 1995 according to Patsy's 1995 Christmas Letter.

Little Miss Colorado - May 1996 (Lisa Ryckman - Rocky Mountain News  LaDonna Griego's 10-year-old daughter, Breanne, passed her                                                                                              Little Miss Colorado title along to JonBenet in May 1996

America's Royale Tiny Miss: Division title: On June 1, 1996, JonBenet appeared in the Royal Miss state pageant in Denver.[b] [/b]

America's Royale Miss Colorado Dream Queen: July 1996.

Sunburst National Pageant: 2nd place: August 1996.
Miss Colorado Sunburst: October 1996.
Colorado's Little Miss Christmas: December 17th 1996.
Colorado's All-stars Christmas Pageant: Metal for talent: December 22nd 1996.

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  JAR and Melinda
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:56 AM - Forum: December 25th, 1996 - No Replies



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Christmas Eve Night
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 Melinda ramsey worked the 6:15 - 7:30 am shift as a nurse in the neonatal ICU unit of the hospital.
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John Andrew attended the 11:00 candlelight service at the Peachtree Presbyterian Church with his mother and her friend, Mr. Smiles.  The arrived back home at about 1 am.

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  Christmas Day
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:38 AM - Forum: December 25th, 1996 - Replies (13)

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December 25th, 1996
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Christmas Day - not much information was available for over 18 months -  there was silence from the family, friends, authorities.  Only 19 months later, when the documentary aired in Denver, did the public get a glimpse of what happened that day.
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What time did the children wake up? John told us in the documentary - "I can remember Burke and JonBenét running up to our bed to get us up. The little kids would pass out the gifts to whoever they were for and we would go around the room and open each gift – We did that that morning."
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What gifts did they receive? What was their reaction?  We know about the bike, JonBenét got a bike.
 At the release of the autopsy, we surmised that JonBenét received jewelry - she received an ID bracelet with her name on the front and the date 12/25/1996 on the back, and she received a small gold cross and a gold ring. She was wearing this jewelry when her body was found.


(We later were told she was given the ID bracelet at the Christmas Party on the 23rd. )
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Burke would have been the right age to get the new Nintendo 64 that was just released. We know he got a model that his father helped him with later that night.
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 In the British documentary, John described how the children passed out the gifts and then they watched each open what they got in turn.
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 The police took all the cameras and film as evidence, but it was returned later to the family.  We can see JonBenét  on the last day of her life.

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  From the TimeLine - before 2000
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:30 AM - Forum: The House at 755 15th Street, Boulder, CO - No Replies



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9:00
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The Ramseys were home for the night, the kids were tucked into bed with visions of bicycles, dolls, legos and nintendos dancing in their heads.
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John Ramsey crossed the street to the Barnhill house and removed JonBenét's Christmas bike from the garage. He brought it home and placed it under the tree. Soon after, other gifts filled the room.
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Sometime later - John and Patsy climbed the stairs to their third floor bedroom, satisfied that Santa had done his job well.
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A little about the house.
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I was fortunate enough to be allowed in the house in October and December of 1998. The follow description is from what I saw on those visits.
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I want to describe the top two floors of the house here. I will describe the other areas as seems appropriate.
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Floor plan below...
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When they built the addition, the third floor was devoted to a master bedroom suite. John and Patsy's bed was against the East wall, the one facing the street and front of the house.  It was just feet from the staircase leading to Burke's room.
Going toward the back of the house, there was a small hallway that headed the staircase leading to the hall outside Jonbenét's room.
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The third floor at the rear of the house was divided - John's closet, dressing room and bathroom were on the South side of the house.  Patsy's were on the North.
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Two staircases led from the master bedroom to the second floor, and on to the first, only one went down to the basement where JonBenét's body would be found.
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The second floor has been described as a maze but walking through it, it is not hard to move about in. It was a large house but flowed nicely from front to back.
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Burke's bedroom was in the front of the house, in the older part of the home, overlooking the street.  His wallpaper was airplanes, all boy. Leaving his room into a hall, there were stairs on the right then a bathroom.  On the left was the bedroom that had originally been JonBenét's but was Melinda's in the winter of 1996.  The wallpaper was pink bows and her furniture was light and airy - a wicker rocker, a white daybed.
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Passing through the hall there was a large room called the "playroom". Patsy had her computer there and the kids watched TV and played games.  They were not isolated from the parents at all. The room is big, almost a "great room".  A TV in the southeast corner and a table and chairs in front of the north window with a LOT of room between.
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This made up one "area" of the house. Just the feeling when walking through - a turn in the hall beyond the "playroom" gave me the feeling I was entering another "area".
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The hallway turned to the north and opened up into the larger hall outside JonBenét's bedroom. I will describe the hall going in a counter-clockwise circle.  The stairs to the third floor are on the right, (not clear on the blueprint), straight ahead are the spiral stairs to the first floor.  Beyond the stairs in the corner is a closet that held a small stackable washer and dryer in it. NOT a large closet. A window on the North wall then in the corner a counter area with a sink in it.  A guest bedroom opened up just to the left of the counter. This was called "Nedra's room" because it is where Nedra stayed when she visited.  This room has its own bathroom.  On the south , there was JonBenét's room. Not a large room, but it had lots of closet space, the entire area that backed up to the bathrooms.  This is where her awards were kept, she had a display case in her room, there was no "trophy room".
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Walking through the house, I immediately felt that most noises in Burke's room, if the door were open,  would be heard by John and Patsy in their bed, but JonBenét's room was removed enough that an intruder would feel rather safe from detection.

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