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  For Cindy Garcia and others on Facebook
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-10-2017, 12:13 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (3)

Cindy Garcia Warm cosy bed by loving parents? Same parents who left her under Christmas tree to 'move on' with their life? Same loving parents who obstructed investigation & hide behind lawyers & PR company? Same loving parents who refused to take a polygrapgh? Please don't insult me with the one they 'passed.' If this was a working class family they would have been banged up that same night.


The Ramseys were told by the police that they had to leave the house so it might be protected as a crime scene.  It seems unfair to criticize them for leaving the house and continuing to eat, breath, live.

The Ramseys did not obstruct the investigation.  They offered to pay for DNA tests, hired PI's and had them share their findings with LE  (I have a report on one of those meetings and they put together a list of things to follow up on - - - no idea if LE ever did, though.)  They paid for ads that noted other attempted abductions and begged people to call in anything they knew. They offered a reward.  They were available for interviews, agreed to take polygraphs - - the BPD stalled - we know that now.

Yes, they got lawyers so they wouldn't be lynched by liars.  Not illegal and a very wise thing to do.  The PR company was done by the lawyers to free up their secretaries - - the Ramseys had nothing to do with that - other than to pay for it.

You need to go back to the beginning and read a few books, put yourself in new shoes for a day and see what happens.

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  a bit on a special prosecutor - - why NOT!!!!
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-08-2017, 02:32 PM - Forum: Boulder crimes - No Replies

Ramsey friend calls for special prosecutor
Letter refers to 'web of evil surrounding this case'
By Monte Whaley
Camera Staff Writer




Two more key witnesses in the JonBenét Ramsey murder investigation are voicing concerns about how the Boulder County District Attorney is handling the investigation.
Bill and Janet McReynolds say they have been "caught in the web of evil surrounding this case" and support a call for a special prosecutor to take over. The McReynolds' make their claim in a letter sent to the editor of the Daily Camera.
McReynolds, a former University of Colorado journalism professor, portrayed Santa Claus at the Boulder home of John and Patsy Ramsey on Dec. 23, 1996. The Ramseys' 6-year-old daughter JonBenét was found strangled in the basement of the home three days later, a few hours after she was reported kidnapped.
McReynolds, 68, was interviewed by Boulder investigators two months after JonBenét's death, as was his wife, Janet. The couple reportedly was targeted because of parallels to the Ramsey case.
The McReynolds' middle daughter, then 9, was abducted along with a friend in Longmont and witnessed the sexual molestation of her friend. The incident occurred on Dec. 26, 1974. An autopsy on JonBenét showed she also may have been sexually molested.
Another parallel is a play written by Janet McReynolds in 1976. The play, "Hey Rube," is about the sexual assault, torture and murder of a girl whose body was found in a basement.
The couple apparently was on good terms with the Ramseys before the slaying. Janet McReynolds went with her husband when he portrayed Santa at a Ramsey family Christmas party for the third consecutive year. A few months before, while Bill McReynolds was hospitalized for open-heart surgery, Patsy Ramsey called the Daily Camera asking for a story about the man who played Santa, suggesting that Boulder residents send him cards.
The McReynoldses told police that on the night of JonBenét's death they went to bed at 8 p.m. Police say JonBenét died sometime between her bedtime Christmas night and dawn the following day.
Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter is presenting the homicide case to a grand jury starting today. But two former friends of John and Patsy Ramsey — Fleet and Priscilla White — have asked a special prosecutor be assigned to pursue the case, saying Hunter was dragging his feet.
In their letter, the McReynoldses say every member of their family has been interrogated and their two sons were required to give fingerprints, handwriting samples and DNA "even though neither of them was aware of the existence of little JonBenét before she was killed."
The McReynoldses say they have the highest respect for Boulder police detectives who investigated the case. But when they were interviewed in July by the Boulder prosecutor's office, "We were not encouraged by the discoveries we made."
"The latest 'scuttlebutt' that we are receiving is that, indeed, there will be a Grand Jury investigation orchestrated by the district attorney and that there will be no indictment," the letter says. "We do not see that prognosis as being beneficial to the hundreds of innocent people who, like ourselves, have been caught in the web of evil surrounding this case."
They commended the Boulder City Council for considering the White's request for a special prosecutor. The council decided not to ask for a special prosecutor, saying it had confidence in the grand jury.
Janet McReynolds said she and her husband have had no personal contact with the Whites. They learned of their request for a special prosecutor on the Internet. She declined to go into specifics about the letter, saying she and her husband may be called as witnesses to the grand jury.
Suzanne Laurion, the district attorney's spokeswoman, said her office had no comment on the latest criticism.

September 15, 1998

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  5/3/1997 Associated Press list of questions
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-08-2017, 01:16 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (1)

Local women have questions for Ramseys

Associated Press

Saturday, May 3, 1997

Sixteen callers, all women, answered Friday's Infocall question, "If you could have asked John and Patsy Ramsey one question during their interview, what would it have been?"

Some callers may have found it difficult to get through because the Daily Camera's telephones didn't work for a time Friday.
A sampling of the public's questions regarding the Ramseys and the murder of their daughter:

Would either of you be prepared to take a lie-detector test?
- Female, Boulder

To John: If the police found the door to the basement room jammed, why didn't you open it for them as you obviously did later in the day?
- Female, Boulder

Where was her dog at time of the murder?
- Female, Boulder

Why are you so controlling rather than cooperating with the police? What are you afraid of?
- Female, Boulder


I would like to ask them and the police, from the beginning, why the ransom note has not been published.
- Female, Boulder

Why weren't you on TV or with the media immediately after your daughter was murdered? I don't understand.
- Female, Boulder

I would like to know why would they move their daughter's body from the basement if they are innocent?
- Senior female, Boulder


I was wondering what your investigators have come up with since they have been on this case four months and you have spent all this money investigating it yourself. Have they had any clues?
- Female, Niwot
You said that only one afternoon a month on a Sunday was she involved in pageants. I would like to know the total time for fitting and measuring those costumes, the total time to learn the words to those songs that were old and outdated, and the total time for learning those adult sultry movements that were movements more than dance. Those movements and costumes were stylish when John was in his teens and 20s.
- Woman, Longmont

How could you do something so self-serving? I think the whole thing Thursday was disgusting.
- Female, Boulder

If you have nothing to hide, why did you refuse to be interviewed by police unless given their records ahead of time?
- Female, Boulder

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  adult male approaching young children
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-08-2017, 01:06 PM - Forum: Boulder crimes - No Replies

Ad content was partly D.A.'s work
Letter to the Editor
Tuesday, May 13, 1997
The Daily Camera accidentally omitted a line from a Guest Opinion that was published on Sunday, May 11 by Stephanie Hult: "Beginning in fall, 1997 a strand will be implemented in Lafayette Elementary School ... " I have learned that a misunderstanding has occurred with respect to an advertisement placed in Sunday's Boulder Daily Camera offering a reward for information leading to an arrest in the JonBenet Ramsey case. The advertisement, which referred to the possibility of " ... an adult male approaching young children in Boulder in late 1996," was placed by the Ramsey family based on information developed in my office. I was not informed until this weekend that this information was to go into the Ramsey advertisement.
As I have said all along, it is my intention to approach this case with an open mind, which means all leads are being carefully pursued, as they must be in any investigation. We believed the suggestion that Boulder families be asked to recall whether they had seen anything unusual at the time of the murder was reasonable, so one of my lawyers authorized the Ramseys' attorneys to use this language in their advertisement.
The response Friday to several reporters who asked for reaction from the District Attorney was that we would have no comment. We see now that this understandably caused some in the news media and the public to believe that this ad was the work solely of the Ramsey family, when in fact, it was partly the product of our commitment to follow all reasonable leads.
I urge any citizen with information about this investigation to contact the Boulder Police Department at 440-7867.
ALEX HUNTER
District Attorney
Boulder

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  Questions for BORG
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 05-05-2017, 09:26 AM - Forum: Questions FOR Borg - No Replies

Im failing to understand something.

Since day one, the Ramsey family have been under EXTREME scurtiny.

Every single thing they did.. they were judged for.

A big thing was about their "behavior" after the Ransom note was found.

Which one of you (BORG) have lost a child to murder? Which one of you have lost a child to murder IN YOUR OWN HOME WITH A RANSOM NOTE INCLUDED??

Hello? Nobody?? Thats what I thought.

Its common sense (something these morons dont have) that people react differently to situations.

Patsy was VERY outgoing. EVERYONE says that. John was more reserved. Obviously! So OBVIOUSLY THEY WILL REACT DIFFERENT TO THE SITUATION!!!!!!! COMMON SENSE!!!!! 

Linda Arndt has NO ROOM TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING. She botched the investigation HORRIBLY. She ignored common police protocol for a crime scene. She is irrelevant.

Why would the Ramsey family have SO many plans for their future if they were planning on killing their child?

Dont bother saying"It was an accident".

NO NO AND NO. 

JonBenet was NOT bed wetting because of "Sexual abuse" She wet the bed because she saw her mother FIGHT FOR HER LIFE. Patsy beat all the odds and survived cancer for the first time.  THAT IS A FACT.

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  LE, stop being BORG
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-30-2017, 04:56 PM - Forum: How to solve this mystery - Replies (2)

Found this on another forum and it really shows how.... WRONG the present "investigation" - or non-investigation is.  This is from Blink on Crime

"perhaps you could delete this next part because it’s too close to home for me…but my neighbor is a Boulder native and worked for BPD at the time Jonbenet was killed… she days she’s bff with Jane Harmer and she saw her last week…Jane told her that nothing new has developed as a result of the 20th anniversary specials …nothing BPD will act on anyway…but when i asked her about the DNA being in CODIS she said it isnt…the killer is Patsy and she’s dead so they don’t need to look for an intruder…that JBs body wasn’t bruised and savaged… she said Garnett who also grew up in Boulder agrees…who knows? I realize this can be construed as gossip but for the most part my neighbor believes the Ramseys murdered the BPD along with their daughter…it’s just so painful for the Boulder police everytime it hits the news…they have burried it…"

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  Interesting article with details
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-26-2017, 04:57 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - Replies (4)

The Murder of JonBenét Ramsey: Why We're Still Obsessed With This Case More Than 20 Years After Her Death
by Natalie Finn | Wed, Apr 26, 2017 1:20 PM




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"The list of suspects narrows. Soon there will be no one on the list but you." –Alex Hunter, Boulder District Attorney, Feb. 13, 1997
JonBenét Ramsey would have turned 27 years old this year. But as we all know, she never even made it to 7.
Instead, the youngest child of John and Patsy Ramsey was found dead in the basement of their Boulder, Colo., home on the afternoon of Dec. 26, 1996—almost eight hours after Patsy frantically called 911 to report that her 6-year-old daughter had been kidnapped.
She had woken at around 5:30 a.m. to find a two-and-a-half-page, sloppily printed ransom note at the bottom of the stairs that threatened to "behead" the child if her parents didn't fork over $118,000 in ransom to some "foreign faction."
It was John who discovered JonBenét's body shortly after 1:30 p.m. on his second search of the house, which by then was already full of police and family friends. He carried the child, who was still dressed in the pajamas she wore to bed the night before, up the stairs and laid her down near the Christmas tree in the living room.
JonBenét appeared to have been garroted and her skull was fractured from a blow to the head. The medical examiner would later discover vaginal injuries that suggested some kind of sexual contact had occurred, and there were spots that appeared to be blood on her underwear though blood smears found on her body weren't in places that would correspond with the stains.

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The Case Of: JonBenét Ramsey: Get to Know the Major Players

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What was tragic and horrifying in any respect within moments turned into a crime of baffling circumstances: Why the ransom note when JonBenét wasn't even taken from her house? Or was she? Did someone tamper with that basement window or not? Why weren't there any footprints in the snow outside the house if an intruder was responsible? How did no one find her during the first search of the house, which included a family friend glancing into the wine cellar she was eventually found in but not turning on the light? How would a proper forensic investigation even be possible with so many people in and out of the Ramseys' house on that first day, even before John had moved his daughter's body, seemingly contaminating who-knows-how-much evidence?
Fast-forward to now, with the 20th anniversary of JonBenét's death recently past and yet another onscreen treatment of the case on the horizon, and most of those questions remain unanswered.

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3 Bombshells from The Case Of: JonBenét Ramsey
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Because JonBenét Ramsey's murder remains unsolved. No one was ever charged in connection with her death. One man confessed and was arrested, but his confession was bogus. Other names have been floated about through the years, but nothing conclusive.
John and Patsy Ramsey remained suspects—if not always actively under investigation, than certainly in the public's opinion—for over a decade. Patsy died of ovarian cancer on June 24, 2006, and was buried next to JonBenét, still under a shroud of suspicion. In December 2003, DNA from the scene was submitted to the FBI database. Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy informed John in 2008, in a letter made public, that new DNA testing, thanks to "touch DNA" technology, had convinced her that neither he, Patsy nor Burke was involved in the killing. Rather, test results pointed to an "unknown male."
"To the extent that we may have contributed in any way to the public perception that you might have been involved in this crime, I am deeply sorry," Lacy wrote.
But eight years later, a joint investigation by Boulder's Daily Camera and 9 News questioned the validity of Lacy's decision to officially clear the Ramseys because of that DNA evidence. The outlets reported in October that there were three distinct genetic markers—Lacy knew of two, this was the first public mention of the third—found on the child's pajamas, and that the one sample that had been used to clear suspects could actually have been a composite from multiple people's DNA.
"It's a rather obvious point, but I mean, if you're looking for someone that doesn't exist, because actually it's several people, it's a problem," Troy Eid, a former state's attorney for Colorado who helped review the case for the governor in 1999, told the paper in October.
In an interview with ABC News, Lacy addressed the new findings and the lingering criticism. "I've withstood worse than this...and it's nothing compared to what the Ramsey family has gone through targeted as suspects in their own daughter's murder," she said. "I was trying to prevent a horrible travesty of justice," she continued. "I was scared to death that despite the fact that there was no evidence, no psychopathy and no motive, the case was a train going down the track and the Ramseys were tied to that track."
She maintains that investigators should have done more at the time.

So even in 2017, it doesn't feel right to call this a cold case, because the fascination, the morbid curiosity, the quest for answers—the downright obsession with the murder of JonBenét Ramsey—feels as current as ever. Of course the media and TV in general gave the case the full anniversary treatment, with two new TV documentaries having aired last September, followed by Lifetime's Who Killed JonBenét?, 16 years after the miniseries Perfect Murder, Perfect Town: JonBenét and the City of Boulder premiered on CBS. Lawrence Schiller's adaptation of his own book about the investigation starred Marg Helgenberger as Patsy and Dyanne Iandoli as JonBenét.

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  Roscoe Clark
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-25-2017, 10:53 AM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - Replies (11)

OK, after reading this guys garbage for a year, I have to make a comment.  YES, he has contact with John Ramsey.  YES, he wants John to give him evidence (which John doesn't possess) in order for his nifty-difty new DNA machine to process promising it will come up with an actual IMAGE of the killer.  Yes, John is cordial to him - - John is cordial to everyone (as evidenced on the Larry King Live show when he sat across the table from Steve Thomas and didn't go for his throat.

So he has a page and an audience and some think he is so smart.  Well, I think he is a total fraud.

I asked him to let me submit a blind sample to him - - I would of course know the identity of the source of good DNA and would share that with 5 other people before he did his testing - - let's see how close his image is.  He didn't even respond to the challenge.  I think he hasn't got a real lab and can't do what he says.  He's a man with some sharp ideas, maybe a shop at his house - - but a scientist this man is NOT!

OK, having said that, here is part of his insane theory.  (I promise the evidence does not fit his story.)

He wrote,

"Jonbenet Investigation added 6 new photos.
· April 20 at 5:21pm ·
The intruder that turn into a killer after the 911 call for help got him self lock inside a remodeled elevator shaft after the police search the basement. He had to pry him self out of this space. A broken Red knife was located in the basement.
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After the police tried to open the wine cellar door that had the killer and JonBenet inside this room, the killer left this room soon after the police search the basement and went back upstairs.
Soon as posible the killer exited the wine cellar and as the killer was looking at the basement windows as a possible exit point, a neighbor came walking down the basement steps calling out JonBenet's name.
The killer had to quickly find a hidding place and entered the remodeled elevator shaft space in the train room.
The self closing and self locking door closed and lock him inside this room. There was no inside way to open the door, this was a safty door for the elevator shaft.
When the basement was cleared of people, the killer found himself lock inside this steel door and frame room. He had to pry himself self out with a red knife. He left fresh damage to the painted surfaces. This was reported to the police by John Ramsey that morning.
By this time the police move the people in the house to the Den and the sun room. The basement steps could not be seen from these two locations, the killer simply walk up the basement steps, turn right and exited out the left open and unlock butler kitchen door.
A neighbor seen a tall, brown hair, white male run very fast from the side yard, this was after the police was there at the home for some time.
The killer was still in the house when the police search the basement.
Case fact.
Frost and snow covered the Ramsey's property the early morning at 6 am.
The police with their flashlights search the yard for any signs for foot prints in the snow and frost. There was no track. Case facts.
Why?
Because the killer was still in the basement just like JonBenet was in the wine cellar.
Now you know more about this case.
Team JBI"


My comment - his case facts are fiction.  Don't buy it.

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  For Sherry Burgett Hilliard
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-16-2017, 06:33 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - No Replies

Thanks for submitting the question.  I will be happy to respond.

Your question:   What has SHE done for this case other than benefit financially?

My Answer: Well, let's see what I have done.

1997, not long after the murder, I joined a forum and tried to be a voice of calm and reason.  I asked people to wait for the evidence to be shared before anyone go crazy and lynch the parents.  I tried to find evidence of prior abuse and neglect, history of alcohol or drug use, some motive like insurance payout or custody dispute.  I found nothing.

I posted that JonBenet's name was not in the ransom note and that caught the attention of the police since very few knew that fact to be true.

I got the attention of LE and on the list of things TO DO, locating me was on  the list given to Lou Smit the day he was hired. 

I later told LE that a third weapon was involved - other than the garotte and what was used to hit her in the head.   That turned out to be the stun gun.

I was privately lured into a discussion with a college professor and later found out he had - - as an "EXPERT", decided I was the killer - he let the cops know and he advised NEWSWEEK Magazine to hold the front page for the reveal.  The headline was to be "Paging JonBenét's killer."

I said nothing to anyone about that episode - - - quickly cleared my name.  By then I was leading one of the biggest Ramsey forums going.  I think it was important to have that discussion alive and telling the truth.  Not allowing the garbage I see posted unchallenged on facebook, topix and other sites.

Moving on.  I hosted a very GOOD group, we found a lot of TRUTH and shared with all.

When I got to meet the Ramseys, go into the murder house - - I shared that with ALL.  Acandyrose still has some of my photos taken inside the house on her site.

I acted as a go-between for people who wanted to get information to the investigators.  Some could do it on their own but others found closed doors.  When I felt a suspect really was a GOOD suspect, I could make a phone call and talk to someone immediately.  Sometimes that was LE like Lou Smit, sometimes LE outside Boulder.  And when I felt it was the right thing to do, it was media.  I made a lot of contacts.  Some may have disliked me but most had to admit they respected me because I wasn't telling lies - my information was GOOD.

So when Steve Thomas had his key witness going into the grand jury and I found out it was that college professor - - - I stepped up and went to Boulder to let the DA know the witness was a charlatan, a fraud.  The DA wouldn't leave his office to speak with me and I wouldn't leave the file without seeing him - - - so I went on 48 Hours and - - - according to several books  - Foster was toast.  I am very proud that I stopped that false witness from taking a mother from her child.

So I had a forum and I fought to publish the facts.  I am the one who made deposition transcripts available for everyone.  I got hold of the FAX between Miller and Hoffman and published that.      I published crime scene photos that no one else had.  I got a book removed from the printing presses and saw it replaced with transcripts of the Ramsey interviews.  (Some errors in there but a far better book than was planned.)

I spent HOURS transcribing TV shows so we would have transcripts to discuss on the forums.

I have traveled to several states to review evidence the BORG swore would have me jumping the fence.  They were always wrong.

I have traveled to a few states and met with people here or worked with them online to develop detailed files on suspects.  No, no one was aware of that as - - - only one person killed JonBenet and I don't put names out there at all.  If a name was not in the media or brought out by someone else, I protected the names.   But my efforts have seen probably a half dozen good and reasonable suspects forever CLEARED - - sometimes by DNA.

I have worked as a consultant to many reporters, a few documentary makers.  I have "edited" a few books.  I have kept many confidences - - I am good at keeping confidences.

I have put up my own money for a small reward and to pay for an ad in the Boulder papers to remind people this is not over.

I started a GoFundMe campaign to remind people that this is not over - - - and I know the money can and will help clear more suspects.  I can only hope it will also identify the killer.

I keep reading, making calls, seeking the truth, asking questions and building files that one day make be the seed needed to make a call to LE or media.  I keep trying.  My work is far from over.  And that is why I reactivated WebbSleuths.org.

Can I ask what YOU do to help see this case solved?  I know you flame me a lot, in an area where I don't post.  You don't know much of anything and choose to believe the negative stuff you find on BORG forums - kind of a stupid thing to do - and I really don't care.  But you asked a real question so I decided to answer.


Hope you have a great Easter - Mine was wonderful, surrounded by family and food and good conversation.  I will be talking with Ramsey people-who-matter next week and...... I hope I answered your question and you can go back to flaming knowing - - - I really don't care.  Your lack of information and understanding shows who YOU are.  My past contributions to the case stand witness to who I am.

As for the "evidence" against me online - - are you so naïve you believe that crap?  Really?  You don't know people can and do edit chat logs and reprint them as real?  You don't know people misquote others and simply make stuff up?

According to one BORG myth, I nearly committed suicide once at a big fancy dinner party - jealous because one of the people at the dinner had a girlfriend?     The next morning I went on camera looking (according to some) pretty good in the 48 Hours show.  The poster who reported my bloody attack on myself (I don't remember if I was at the table or on it)  went to Boulder later, according to her posts,  to sleep with all the Ramsey people I had - - I laughed, her trip was going to be boring because I don't cheat on my husband.  Well, I hear she went out there and cheated on HER husband - - but that's her story to tell.

Hope you have a good Easter - mine was great, as usual.  Life is good, my efforts in Ramsey are earnest and I am pleased with seeing the suspect growing shorter. The BORG is like some sewer spill a few towns away, not my problem.

But I got sent your question and thought -- - why not?  So here's your answer.  And I wonder if you are really as proud of your efforts in Ramsey as I am in mine.

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  Ollie Gray - RIP
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-06-2017, 07:54 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - Replies (6)

       

My dear friend, Ollie Gray, has moved onto his next great adventure.

My heart is heavy and I am at a loss for words.

He will be greatly missed and I can only say I was enriched by knowing him.  He was a truly good and gentle man.

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