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  from "JonBenet's America"
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 06:03 PM - Forum: December 26th - Replies (2)

Man: The following morning, Dec. 26th, the Ramseys got out of bed early in their third floor bedroom. They were due to take off from the local airport at half past seven. Patsy Ramsey says she went downstairs at about 5:30 to collect clothes together for the trip from the laundry cupboard just outside JonBenét's bedroom.
PR: I was fussing around with some clothes and glanced at her door and the door was closed. I always left it ajar a little bit. I just started downstairs - there were these pieces of paper lying on one of the rungs of the stairs. So I kind of turned around and looked at it to see what it was and I started reading the first couple lines. It just kinda wasn't registering but somewhere it said, 'we have your daughter. It clicked, you know, 'Your Daughter' and I just bounded back up the steps and threw her door open and she was not in her bed.
Man: The note, written on one of the Ramseys own notepads began, 'Listen carefully! We are a
group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. At this time we have your daughter.'
Patsy: And at this time I remember screaming to John, he was still upstairs dressing.
John: I knew something was very wrong. I came down and she had the note and I read it quickly
trying to take everything in. I screamed.
Patsy: You don’t know what to do - I mean, what do you do? You know you just don’t know what to do - What do I do? You’re just panicked.
.
John: You don’t know where to start.
.
Patsy: You don't know what to do. You're just insane. You can't think fast enough.
.
John: Somebody asked me later, what was the worst moment in all of this and that was the worst
moment. Suddenly realizing that someone had your daughter, your child, someone has taken her,
she’s gone and we didn’t know where she was and it was dark, it was cold outside.
Man: The ransom note said, speaking to anyone about your situation such as the police, FBI etc., will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies.

Patsy - "I said, 'I'm going to call the police and he said OK. And I think he ran to check on Burke.
And I ran downstairs and, you know, dialed 911."
.
John - "We had no choice. I mean, I would have gone mad sitting there hoping someone would call. We had to do something. I was ready to call out the Russian Army, the National Guard. Close the airport, let's close, cordon off the city. Those are the kinds of thoughts that were going through my head and we had to get the police involved to do that."
Patsy - "...and I said, you know, 'Send somebody over here quickly'. You know, I couldn't get it out fast enough."

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  quotes
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 05:49 PM - Forum: Glen and Susan Stine - Replies (4)

Susan Stine: I've always said I thought the Ramseys were the nicest people I ever knew and I say this 15-months after it happened that I'm more and more convinced that they're the nicest people I've ever known.  "JonBenet's America"

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  Reso kidnapping/murder
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 10:28 AM - Forum: Colorado crimes - Replies (4)

As the mystery of the whereabouts of Sidney J. Reso, the Exxon executive who disappeared nearly two months ago, deepened yesterday, new details emerged about a former Exxon security guard and his wife who were arrested Friday on charges of kidnapping.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation and New Jersey law-enforcement agencies maintained a wall of silence about where the 57-year-old president of Exxon International might be, or whether he had survived the ordeal that began outside his home in Morris Township, N.J., the morning of April 29.
But some information surfaced about the two suspects, suggesting that the recent failure of a business venture, the loss of their home and injuries from an auto accident several years ago left them with serious financial problems that followed them from New Jersey to Hilton Head, S.C., Vail, Colo., and back to New Jersey. 
4 Days of Tracking
The suspects charged in the kidnapping are Arthur D. Seale, a former police officer in Hillside, and Irene J. Seale, both 45, of Changewater in Hunterdon County, N.J. They were seized early Friday morning after four days of careful tracking by law-enforcement officials who followed a trail of ransom notes and telephone calls in three counties surrounding the Reso residence. The Seales are scheduled to appear in Federal court in Newark tomorrow for a bail hearing.
At the time of the Seales' arrest at a car rental agency in Hackettstown, investigators say they recovered two pairs of rubber gloves, a briefcase containing a 1985 directory of home addresses for Exxon executives and four laundry bags like the ones in which authorities say the ransom money was to have been packed.

But the F.B.I. declined to say whether any ransom money had been paid or recovered or how much the kidnappers had requested, except to say that the kidnappers had demanded millions of dollars in used $100 bills. There was also no indication of whether there had been an arrangement with the kidnappers for the exchange of Mr. Reso for the ransom, or whether such an arrangement had failed.

A friend of the Seales in Hilton Head said last night that Mr. Seale had been on the island visiting early last week and that the couple's son, Justin, who just completed his freshman year at Norwich University in Vermont, was still on the island staying with friends. The F.B.I. said on Friday that it had received a call last Monday from Pooler, Ga. -- about 30 miles west of Hilton Head -- on a cellular phone set up at the request of the kidnappers. In recent days, a former neighbor in Hilton Head said that Justin had told friends that his father had planned to start negotiations to buy a marina at the resort this summer.

Other friends and acquaintances of the Seales, many of whom refused to be identified, said that Mr. Seale grew up in Hillside, N.J., where his father, Arthur L. Seale, was an officer in the Hillside Police Department, retiring as a deputy chief in the late 1970's.

After the younger Mr. Seale graduated from Hillside High School in the mid-1960's, he worked briefly as a lifeguard before following his father and joining the Hillside Police Department. People acquainted with the family said the younger Mr. Seale was involved in a motor-vehicle accident while on duty and was injured, forcing him to retire on a disability pension.

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  Jessica Schaffner, 11
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:37 PM - Forum: Boulder crimes - Replies (2)

THE DENVER POST
Tragedy visited area in '72 death
Monday, January 4, 1997
Section: FRONT SECTION
Page: A-07
BY MARILYN ROBINSON
DENVER POST STAFF WRITER

Caption: PHOTO: The Denver Post/John Epperson

Police evidence technicians remove locks and door knobs from a door on the south side of the Ramsey home in Boulder yesterday.

BOULDER - The slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey does not mark the first time a family on that block has mourned the murder of a child.

JonBenet was found strangled last week in the basement of her home at 755 15th St., near Chautauqua Park.

Nearly a quarter of a century ago, another young girl who lived a few doors away in the quiet upscale neighborhood also was murdered.

Jessica Schaffner, 11, was shot to death Nov. 14, 1972, after she and her best friend were kidnapped on a neighborhood street. Her friend was wounded but survived. Peter Roy Fisher, now 59, was arrested and convicted of the crimes. He remains in prison under a life sentence.

Jessica had been at a party to celebrate her friend's 11th birthday, and the friend was walking her home when a man dressed in women's clothing drove by in a van and asked for directions.

The man, later identified as Fisher, returned, got out of the van to talk and invited the girls into his camper to see his dog.

Fisher pushed them inside, locked the door, then pulled a handgun and said, "No one's going anywhere," the survivor said in a 1993 interview with The Denver Post.

The girls were handcuffed together and forced to lie face down in the back of the van. The man drove in circles, then stopped and made the girls undress.

He sexually assaulted Jessica.

Eventually, he drove the girls up Sunshine Canyon toward Gold Hill west of Boulder, where he told them a man was waiting with a key to the handcuffs.

"I didn't believe it. I had more or less written it off that I was a goner," the surviving girl said.

Fisher ordered the girls to walk ahead of him in the deep snow down a path. They had gone about 15 feet when he pulled a pistol and started shooting.

"I didn't feel the shots," the survivor said. "I didn't feel the pain. I think my body just went into such shock that my mind shut if off. I kind of fell in slow motion."

Jessica died before her eyes. The survivor was hit in the chest and left thigh. She recalled thinking that Jessica was playing dead and sensed that Fisher was standing over them, staring.

Then he drove away. Terrified and bleeding, the girl tried to drag her dead friend up the steep snowy hillside. Unable to do so, she slipped her friend's hand from the cuff and pulled herself up the mountain. She flagged down a passing motorist.

Based on her description, deputies arrested Fisher as he drove down the icepacked road at the base of the canyon.

Fisher had a long history of sexually deviant behavior, including an arrest for indecent exposure at age of 17. He will appear before the state parole board next month for another parole hearing.

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  Schiller show
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:24 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - No Replies

[/url][url=http://www.courttv.com/onair/shows/specials/jonbenet_anatomy_of_a_cold_case.html]2006-07-07: “JonBenet: Anatomy of a Cold Case"
Directed by Lawrence Schiller (Court Tv)


VOICE OVER: "Then months after the murder, an investigator examining photographs of the crime scene noticed a bowl on the breakfast room table. The police had always assumed it contained cereal but when they took a closer look at it's contents which had been preserved, they found pineapple."

Tom Haney: and you'd said earlier you'd cleaned off the table after breakfast?
Patsy: I cleaned off the table.
Tom Haney: so that, that wasn't there.
Patsy: hm-mm. No. I've not seen that.
Patsy: I did not feed JonBenet pineapple.
Patsy: So I don't know how it got in her stomach,
Patsy: and I don't know where this bowl of pineapple came from.
Patsy: I can't recall putting that there.


VOICE OVER: "The pineapple only deepened the mystery. No one could pinpoint a motive for the Ramseys to lie about it. And it didn't seem to fit the intruder theory either."

Schiller: "If Jonbenet ate the pineapple after she came back from the the Whites does that mean she was sitting there eating the pineapple with somebody she knew? That she was eating it alone because it's a very chilling feeling to know that she sat eating pineapple with the person who might be responsible for her death. And that chilling feeling is one of the things that has haunted this case."

VOICE OVER:
"Kept from the public until now is the fact that a glass containing a tea bag was photographed next to the bowl of pineapple. How did it get there? And was the tea and the pineapple consummed at the same time?"


Patsy: But I did not do this. If she ate that, somebody put that there.
Patsy: I can never recall putting a tea bag like that, in a cup. Okay.
Patsy: So I don't know, what the answer is.


VOICE OVER: "According to police files none of the Ramseys friends or any member of the Ramsey family had any idea who prepared or served the tea. During the investigation, the crime lab found Patsy and her ten year old son, Burke's fingerprints on the bowl and Burke's on the glass of tea, adding to the mystery."

Henry Lee (Forensic Scientist): "Another area I'm always curious is whether DNA on the glass and on the bowl and particular the spoon, not only the eating area but also the handle."

VOICE OVER: "But according to the investigators, no DNA test have ever been conducted on the spoon , bowl or glass."

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  jameson posts
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:20 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (3)

[url=http://www.webbsleuths.com/][/url][b]2002-04-26: Webbsleuths Forum (http://www.webbsleuths.com)
"Pineapple"
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jameson
Charter Member
6366 posts Apr-26-02, 10:19 PM (EST)

"Pineapple"

From the autopsy - "The proximal portion of the small intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple."

There is a great debate about when JBR ate that pineapple.

It seems it came from a bowl of pineapple found on the table in the Ramsey breakfast room. Patsy and Burke had left their prints on the bowl. Burke's prints were on the glass. JBR's ptints were not found there.

I think she grabbed a few chunks with her fingers as they were getting ready to leave for the Whites'.

Others say the killer fed it to her and then waited for it to pass through her stomach to kill her.

Dr. Dobersen told me personally that theere is no way to determine when she ate that pineapple - - too many unknown factors involved, but she could have eaten it before leaving home that day.

Even Steve Thomas, in his book, admits that is a possibility - though he says it is at the out limits of the possible time.

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  More from Steve Thomas
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:17 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (1)

[/url][url=http://www.acandyrose.com/04132000gma.htm]2000-04-13: Steve Thomas Chat on ABC Good Morning America

Tammy at 12:24pm ET:
What are your thoughts on the findings of pineapple in JonBenét's stomach?

Steve Thomas at 12:25pm ET:

"There was fresh pineapple in the victim's upper digestive tract. There was fresh pineapple, consistent with the rind, in a bowl on the breakfast table with Patsy's fingerprint on it. That affords me a rather simple explanation, given it was fresh pineapple."

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  Steve Thomas' book
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:13 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (3)

2000-04-11: “JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation”
by Steve Thomas and Don Davis, April 11, 2000


ST Page 137

"We tried to get information about bedtime snacks and managed to learn that the girl loved grapes, sliced apples, and fruit of all kinds, especially pineapple. Give her a whole can and she'd eat it. We knew she ate pineapple the night she died, and now her grandmother told us how much the child loved it. While she was talking, I weighed some alternatives. That she was given a bedtime snack from the bowl that had Patsy's fingerprints made more sense to me than the possibility of an intruder feeding the child pineapple, keeping her alive long enough for it to reach her digestive tract, then killing her."

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  On the Today Show 3/24/2000
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:12 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - No Replies

[/url][url=http://www.acandyrose.com/03242000ramseytodaypt5.htm]2000-03-24: John and Patsy Ramsey on the Today Show (Part 5)



(SNIP)



COURIC: For every clue, a new question, like the autopsy finding that JonBenet ate pineapple just hours before she died. None was served at dinner that night, so when did JonBenet eat it? Let's address the mystery of the pineapple. That's been a source of a lot of speculation about what she did when you all got home from that Christmas party. Did she really go straight to bed? Did she eat pineapple...

Mr. RAMSEY: Let's...

COURIC: ...before she went to bed?

Mr. RAMSEY: Let's deal with the facts that I know. The facts are that JonBenet was asleep when we brought her home, we put her to bed, and neither Patsy or I fed her anything, because she was asleep. Those are the facts.

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  In PMPT
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:09 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (1)

1999-02-18: “Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, JonBenet and the City of Boulder”
Written by Lawrence Schiller, February 18, 1999


PMPT Page 239sb

"By mid-February the FBI and the CBI forensics technicians had concluded part of their fingerprint typing and fiber analysis. CBI told the Boulder police that no prints had been found on the black duct tape that John Ramsey said he removed from his daughter's mouth and none were found on the broken artist's paintbrush used to make the "garrote" found around JonBenet's neck. The CBI had been able to identify two fingerprints found on a white bowl on the dining room table that contained uneaten pineapple. One print belonged to Burke and the other to Patsy. Since partly digested pineapple had been found in JonBenet's small intestine at the autopsy, the police wondered if the Ramseys had been less than candid about JonBenet's bedtime activities and what time she fell asleep. Patsy and John had never mentioned with whom, where, or when their daughter had eaten pineapple."


[u]PMPT Page 433[/u]

"The police had to piece together the findings of the various pathologists, who had explained to them that when food is swallowed, it goes first to the stomach, then passes to the duodenum, and from there to the lower small intestine. Eventually, the digested food passes into the large bowel, from which it exits. Food found in the stomach and intestines can sometimes be used to estimate the time of ingestion and to narrow the time of death.

In the Ramseys' dining room, just steps away from the kitchen, the police had found a bowl with fresh pineapple in it. Meyer noted in his report that the pineapple in JonBenét's small intestine was in near-perfect condition -- it had sharp edges and looked as if it had been recently eaten and poorly chewed.

Based on the condition of the pineapple in her intestine, the experts estimated that JonBenét had eaten it an hour and a half or two hours before she died, most likely after the family returned home that night. If she had eaten the pineapple after 10:30 P.M., that made the approximate time of death not earlier than midnight."

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