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  Ollie Gray - RIP
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-06-2017, 07:54 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - Replies (6)


My dear friend, Ollie Gray, has moved onto his next great adventure.

My heart is heavy and I am at a loss for words.

He will be greatly missed and I can only say I was enriched by knowing him.  He was a truly good and gentle man.

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  Police chief speaks out on JonBenet Ramsey case, regrets it
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 04-06-2017, 07:45 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - Replies (1)

By STEPHANIE SLIFER CBS NEWS February 25, 2015, 2:37 PM
Police chief speaks out on JonBenet Ramsey case, regrets it

BOULDER, Colo - Former Boulder, Colorado police Chief Mark Beckner participated in an "Ask Me Anything" session on the social-networking/news site Reddit where he spoke about the JonBenet Ramsey case, but now the former law enforcement head says he regrets it and that he didn't realize his comments would filter out to the rest of the world.
"I talked to the organizer and my impression was that this was a members-only type group that talked about unsolved mysteries all around the world," Becker said in an interview published Tuesday in the Boulder Daily Camera. The Q&A took place Saturday.

"I didn't know it was an open-architecture type thing, or I wouldn't have done it," he added. "It was a misunderstanding and naivete on my part."

The 59-year-old Beckner, who retired in April 2014 and who has mostly remained tight-lipped when it comes to discussing the investigation into the murder of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, spoke relatively freely during his online Q&A and said and he believes no one will ever be convicted in the pageant girl's long-unsolved 1996 murder.
Beckner also commented on authorities' handling of the case, saying, "I wish we would have done a much better job of securing and controlling the crime scene on day one. We also should have separated John and Patsy [JonBenet's parents] and gotten full statements from them that day. Letting them go was a big mistake, as they soon lawyered up and we did not get to formally interview them again until May of 1997, five months after their daughter was murdered."
He said the police department was short staffed on the day of the murder due to the Christmas holiday and said there was confusion at the scene because of lack of law enforcement personnel. He also acknowledged the Ramseys' "position" in the community could have influenced the initial handling the case.

Beckner also criticized the Boulder District Attorney's office, then led by Alex Hunter, for getting too involved in the case.
Six-year-old JonBenet was found bludgeoned and strangled December 26, 1996 in the basement of her Boulder, Colo. home several hours after her mother, Patsy Ramsey, called 911 to say her daughter was missing and that a ransom note had been left behind.

No charges have ever been filed in the case, despite a grand jury having voted in 1999 to charge the child's parents in connection with her death. At the time, D.A. Hunter declined to sign the indictment, saying there was insufficient evidence to prove the charges at trial. The grand jury's decision was not made public until 2013.

Both Patsy and John Ramsey have always maintained their innocence. Patsy Ramsey died in 2006 of cancer. In 2008, former Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy said that DNA evidence suggests the killer was a stranger, not a family member, and publicly exonerated the Ramseys.

During the Reddit Q&A, former police Chief Beckner said the Colorado Bureau of Investigation opined the DNA found on JonBenet's clothing was likely sweat or saliva, but that it's difficult to say for sure since it was such a small amount.
On whether there might have been an intruder on the night of the murder, Beckner said, "Most investigators do not believe there was a legitimate point of entry. It is unknown how an intruder may have gotten in."

When asked Tuesday whether he regretted anything he said on Reddit, Beckner told the Daily Camera that he tried to be honest and fair.

"I think the only thing I would emphasize is that the unknown DNA [from JonBenet's clothing] is very important. And I'm not involved any more, but that has got to be the focus of the investigation. In my opinion, at this point, that's your suspect."

Beckner, however, noted on Reddit that the case is "not actively being worked on."
But Kim Kobel, a spokesperson for the The Boulder Police Department, told 48 Hours' Crimesider on Wednesday that while the investigation is not active, it is still an open homicide investigation.
"We still do receive leads and we look into every single lead we receive," she said.
Kobel added that the Boulder Police Department was not aware ahead of time that the Reddit Q&A was going to take place and said they instead found out online via other news articles.
Current Boulder Police Chief Greg Testa told Crimesider Beckner has reached

 out to the department since the Reddit Q&A. Testa said he understands why Beckner participated in the online chat, saying it came to him through his current position as an online teacher at Norwich University in Vermont.
"Mark [Beckner] wouldn't have done anything to compromise the investigation," Testa said.

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  For James Guill
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-04-2017, 03:54 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (3)

[/url]who says there is no intruder evidence.

I have to ask what you have been reading and watching - - sure not the depositions or police reports, the crime scene photos or any number of GOOD sources of information.  I fear you have entered into the BORG Twilight Zone ane need to find your way back to the light and some truth.

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James Guill No intruder evidence. Every time I ask for this alleged intruder evidence, I am given things that have been thoroughly debunked. You guys always try to twist it to fit your intruder theory. It's not there. Grand Jury indicted after looking at all of the evidence for over a year!
James Guill I've made my case repeatedly, Kathy. The basement window, shoe prints, finger/palm prints, hairs, DNA, stun gun etc.. The police report also says all doors were locked and no signs of entry at any window. If there was an intruder, he had a key. And Patsy wrote that ransom note. No doubt about it.

Starting at the beginning - - if you take one piece of evidence at a time and research it here - on webbsleuths.org - you may find you can find more intruder evidence than you can handle.

From the stun gun - the marks, the interviews with Mike Doberson - the experiments he has done - the other cases he worked on - - - to the list of "things to do" that came out of the Police meetings - - one being find out who OWNED these stun guns back then.  To the interview with the manufacturer.  That stun gun is no theory - - but as you made clear in that other discussion, you really don't care.

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James Guill There is no proof that anyone else was in the house that night! Where's your proof?? To say that someone COULD'VE been, is not proof that there was someone!
l All that exists is a mountain of circumstantial inculpatory evidence implicating the family! No evidence of anyone else having been there! You have nothing.

[url=https://www.facebook.com/melinda.soppel?fref=ufi]Melinda Soppel then invited James Guill to read a thread on Evidence of Intruder

jameson askd - Care to guess his response?    Wait no longer.

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James Guill No thanks.

jameson - "THIS is the BORG mentality.  Don't try to confuse their set minds with facts.  They like being BORG and, damn it, they will NOT be unassimilated!"

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  and some newer ones
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-04-2017, 11:54 AM - Forum: Questions FOR Borg - Replies (1)

Jinks Obs wrote - "If my theory serves me right..then     There's dna of Hispanic. African-American native American and caucasian. The cover up of this crime is beyond heinous    Sorry to tell you this idis but the ramseys are definitely involved. They could have told the truth but decided not too. So apparently they want to be up shits creek without a paddle."

So, everyone has the right to have a theory - and I clearly think Jimks is off. 

I have not seen any report that indicates there is DNA from African American or Native American - - but I clearly don't have every bit of evidence out there - - so my question to Jinks is this - - -

Can you tell us the source of this information and make a real case against any member of the family?  I ask because I see a HUGE list of exculpatory evidence and think you are making this stuff up as you go along.

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  For Pam and Evelyn
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-03-2017, 12:49 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (3)

No, I am not interested in entering a private chat with either of you as BORG tends to edit then share.  So I will answer here.

A healthy person maintains control over themselves and doesn't feel a great need to force themselves on others, to be in control of others.    A psychopath can't be happy with controlling hirself - - hir has to control others.  In some circumstances, simple control is not enough, they have to HURT the other person. Sadistic psychopaths can hurt others financially, emotionally, physically... it brings them joy to know they caused that pain.

Are ALL of them totally unhappy all the time?  No, but even a period of time in their lives could have set up a habit that just feels good to them.

(Pam, I don't know if they like pain during sex but suspect your good friend Laurence might help you with that one.)

Since my energy in this case is spent educating people to the truth, encouraging those entrusted to solving this to do better, trying to raise funds to help advance the DNA investigation - - - - - and I am NOT trying to hurt ANYONE while I do that - - I don't think I am at all the same as those who have total disregard for the facts and just go about trying to hurt the efforts of others to see this solved.

Am I calling YOU a psychopath?  Nope.  I have my questions but honestly don't care enough about either of you, or the others, to take my focus off the case - - that trumps all beyond my family.

Going to be hard to copy and paste this and change it.  But feel free to copy and pasts as it is.  I have no problem with that.  Hope I answered your question.  No private chats.

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  LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 04-01-2017, 09:40 AM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - Replies (2)

[–]Debbiecass34 2 points 15 hours ago 
Susan one of the donations made on the go fund me is denying she made the donation she didn't donate and is claiming her name is being used her profile etc. She did go to school with Burke but that's the full extent of it."


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Posted by: Summer Dawn - 04-01-2017, 09:38 AM - Forum: GO FUND ME - a way anyone can help - Replies (2)

This go fund me has caused a lot of  "controversy " and has multiple people reporting it daily ( get a life, period).
Sad this is causing controversy....

Take a minute and realize something.

Go fund me will ALWAYS investigate fraud claims with EVERY go fund me account that is reported as fraud.

Go fund me will NOT hesitate to remove a campaign if they found it to be fraud. 

The go fund me is still ACTIVE BECAUSE ITS NOT FRAUD!!!!!!!!! SIMPLE AS THAT!!!
 Time is precious... use your time to do something  PRODUCTIVE instead of WASTING YOUR TIME REPORTING THIS ACCOUNT!!!

We ALL know the case  was BOTCHED from the very beginning... critical evidence was contaminated..  

LE was able to get VERY important DNA evidence...

GSLD99178617...... That may be letters and numbers just to you..


Wouldnt you want JonBenet to receive Justice?? SHE DESERVES IT!!

People tend to forget this was a little girl who was BRUTALLY murdered. She was a beautiful girl who was FULL Of life. Her life was cut too short. We owe it to JonBenet. 

MILLIONS of people were captivated by this tragic murder.

This is YOUR time to help find justice.

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  "Detective Andrew"
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 04-01-2017, 09:00 AM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - Replies (1)

The Killer of JonBenet Ramsey - revealed

Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused Confused


Colorado allows the death penalty as an option in the following cases:
first-degree murder
kidnapping resulting in the death of the victim
felony murder 

The sentence is death by lethal injection.
Minimum age for death penalty: 18
Colorado forbids the execution of the mentally retarded.
Executions 1930-1976: 47
Executions since 1977: 1

On the Thursday morning of December 26, 1996, Fleet White left his home on 733 15th street, Boulder, carrying a cute Santa Claus teddy bear for the daughter of his neighbor - and friend - John Ramsey. He wore new previously unworn winter clothes - including boots and gloves - that he'd purchased months before. He travelled down the alleyway that runs down 15th Street until he came to 755 - the Ramsey home. Fleet produced a key. It was a key he'd had cut from one of the keys to the Ramsey residence months before. He entered the house and walked straight down the hall to the spiral staircase. JonBenet was expecting a special visit from Santa Claus after Christmas, and Fleet was keeping the promise. Upon reaching the second floor, Fleet hesitated and listened - silence. The Ramseys were sound asleep after a hectic day of visits, parties hyper-excited kids and gift-swapping. John and Patsy had to rise early for the trip to Michigan, so they had to get some shut eye. In fact, the entire year had been quite hectic. Super-entrepreneur John had made a billion dollars for his company Access Graphics, earning him the nickname "Billion Dollar Johnny". That was bad enough for "oilman" Fleet, who had once been the only fat cat in the neighborhood, even though his fortune was not what he made it out to be - but that's another story. Fleet hated John's guts. He despised John's perfect family. Patsy Ramsey summed up all the things that Fleet White detested when she innocently circulated the Ramsey Family's 1996 Christmas Newsletter: "Burke is a busy fourth grader where he really shines in math and spelling. He played flag football this fall and is currently on a basketball binge! His little league team was #1…JonBenet is enjoying her first year in 'real school'. Kindergarten in the Core Knowledge program is fast paced and five full days a week. She has already been moved ahead to first grade math. She continues to enjoy participating in talent and modelling pageants. She was named "America's Royale Tiny Miss" last summer and is Colorado's Little Miss Christmas. Her teacher says she is so outgoing that she will never have trouble delivering an oral book report!"
That newsletter went on to laud John Ramsey: "John is always on the go travelling hither and yon. Access recently celebrated its one billion $$ mark in sales, so he's pretty happy! He and his crew were underway in the Port Huron to Mackinac Island yacht race in July, but had to pull out mid way due to lack of wind. (Can you believe that?) But, his real love is the new 'old looking' boat, Grand Season, which he spent months designing."
Fleet turns the doorhandle of JonBenet's bedroom. He walks over to JonBenet, who is sleeping, and gently rouses her. She wakes and in the half-shadows, she isn't sure if it's her mom or dad at first. Fleet mutters to her, and she recognises his voice, but she is still tired and groggy. Had the man in her bedroom been an unfamiliar intruder, the little girl would have screamed, but she trusts Fleet, the father of her best friend Daphne. She had only been at his house hours before. Fleet shows her the Santa Teddy, and then takes her out the bed and gets her dressing gown. He tells Jonbenet to put it on, and she wearily does. He then takes a blanket and wraps her in it, because he is taking her out of the house. It's cold outside in the glacial December night air. She is not going to the basement yet.
The Santa Teddy is left behind on the bed. Had any of the Ramseys come upon Fleet in the house, he would only have to say that he had brought JonBenet a little Santa Teddy Bear and it would have been seen by the Ramseys as a cute gesture. Fleet takes JonBenet out the house, to return to his home the same way he came. As he carries the girl along, the local branches and bushes skirt against her ankles and achilles tendon area and leave small abrasive marks - marks that are later documented by Dr Meyer during the autopsy of JonBenet.
The next segment of this account of the murder of JonBent has been withheld for the time being, because I do not want to reveal certain important details it contains. Should Subpoena-phobic Fleet White decide to face me in court, I will reveal these key details and deal the ace up my sleeve which will either put him behind bars for life or result in him being sentenced to death.
Fleet killed JonBenet at 733 15th street, and at one point during the slow torture, he hung her up by the nylon cord which bound her wrists - but with enough slack to be hung over two hooks. The unexpected happened when the girl wet herself through sheer fear as she was being garrotted. By then, Fleet had unhooked JonBenet, and the girl clawed at the ever-tightening cord around her neck, leaving the tell-tale crescent fingernail marks on the skin of her neck.
The sudden urination threw a spanner in the works. Fleet's intentions for killing the girl were to make it look as if she had been killed in the basement of her own home. But if she had been killed there, there'd be a pool of urine on the cellar floor there, and of course, her own panties would have been still moist - but the cellar floor was bone dry - and so was JonBenet's bed. Fleet wiped the urine from the girl's thigh area and put on the dry panties marked 'Wednesday' - these were not JonBenet's panties. Had Fleet left on the wet panties and put her in the Ramsey cellar, the forensic experts would have smelled a rat. Wet panties and a bone dry cellar floor without a trace of uric acid.
Fleet re-dresses the child after removing one of the wrist ligature loops so that he can get her arms into the top. It is a hurried affair, and that is why JonBenet was described as being dressed 'oddly' when she was found. 
Fleet wraps the girl up in the nightgown and blanket and leaves the house with a number of items. He takes the body back into the Ramsey house and goes down to the train room. The second spanner is thrown in the works. The thing that thwarts his harebrained scheme this time is a suitcase which is smaller than he thought. Fleet tried to put JonBenet's body in the blue suitcase that had been lying in the Ramsey trainroom but it wouldn't close. That is why fibers found in the suitcase match the fibers of JonBenet's clothes.
Fleet takes the body into the wine cellar and lays her down. She is wrapped in a blanket and left with her favorite pink nightgown next to her.
At this point Fleet has made a third mishap. He took one of Patsy Ramsey's paintbrushes days earlier, and snapped it into three pieces. The midsection was used to make the garrotte handle, and the brush end - and splinters - were to be placed in Patsy's paints tray just outside the wine cellar, but the third piece of the paintbrush was mislaid. Fleet probably lost this in his own home, when he was making his garrotte. However, he had brought the brush end of the broken paintbrush back to the Ramsey household, and had diligently placed it in Patsy's paints tray - to make it look as if the killer had created the garrotte on the premises of 755 15th Street. 
Fleet leaves the basement area, closing the doors behind him, and he takes four A4 pieces of paper from an envelope held inside of his coat. The three sheets which form the ransom demand are placed on the bottom step of the spiral staircase, and another page - the so-called 'practice note' - is placed in another part of the house. Fleet is known to have borrowed Patsy's legal pad on several occasions. Fleet tore out a number of pages from that pad many days before, and, using samples of Patsy Ramsey's handwriting to guide him, he writes the Ransom demand and practice note, but he made six glaring errors which prove he is the author. I will reveal these errors when I face Fleet in court - if he dares to show of course.
Now we come to the famous four letters "S.B.T.C" - which does not stand for Subic Bay Training Center or Scarred by The Cancer, or Saved By The Cross or Some Body That Cares. It actually stands for Small Business Technology Coalition, a Government body which allocates funds to developing businesses. You will find more about SBTC at Owen Research, 2525 Arapahoe Avenue, E4-262, Boulder CO 80302. Ask Robert Owen about SBTC. Fleet White mistakenly thought that John Ramsey had at one time siphoned off money from the SBTC to fund Access Graphics. To create an atmosphere of suspicion in John's mind, Fleet deliberately asked for $118,000 as the ransom amount to make him think that the note was the work of someone very close to him. John's Christmas bonus had been $118,000, so only an employee at Access Graphics or his own wife would know the significance of that amount of dollars.
Fleet White leaves the Ramsey's home, and, before he travels the relatively short distance home, he adds the finishing touch - and makes another mistake. He kneels by the grid covering the basement window, and he lifts it, then lowers it, just to disturb the dirt and dry leaves. Just to make it look as if some intruder has entered or exited through the basement window. The cobwebs aren't even broken on one side though, and the foliage on one side is undisturbed. It is a classic Fleet White howler. He checks the site of JonBenet's murder when he arrives home and cleans up, then he burns the clothes he wore and burns other certain items.
Fleet goes to bed. If everything goes to plan, John Ramsey should come down the spiral staircase in the morning, and, he should come upon the bogus ransom note. That is why the note is addressed to Mister Ramsey. Using that good southern common sense of his, he should do as the ransom note says - to the letter. Then of course, the kidnapper will never call after a day has gone by, because the kidnapper does state in the note that he will call 'tomorrow' between 8 and 10 am. The kidnapper does not mean today, because he advises John to be rested. John would have sat and waited it out. Imagine what the Boulder Police would have thought then. The pilot arrives at the Ramsey residence and John tells him the trip to Michigan has been postponed. He can't say why, because the kidnapper has stated he has the place under surveillance. The pilot thinks John and Patsy are acting strange. Fleet would be able to call at the house to exhibit his well-rehearsed concern about John still being at the house when he is supposed to be in Michigan. Fleet would say, 'John, where's JonBenet? What's wrong?'
The police would be tipped off, and when the house is ultimately searched, JonBenet's body would be found, stiff with rigor mortis. The Ramseys story would look very dubious indeed, because Fleet has created so many 'clues' to point the finger of suspicion firmly at the Ramseys.
However, Patsy happens to find the ransom notes, and she panics. The Ramseys don't do what the letter says. They call the police. They call Fleet White, and as soon as he hears that phone ring in his bedroom that morning, he knows things haven't gone to plan yet again. 
All of the above explains the following mysterious incident, detailed in the Ramsey Book, Death Of Innocence: Patsy Ramsey relates that: "During the party Fleet White used our phone to make a series of calls, trying to get some medicine to his mother in a hospital in Aspen, Colorado. Apparently he dialed wrong and got 911. The Police called back, but after checking with Fleet and the rest of the people at the house, Susan Stine informed them that the call was a mistake."
The telephone number to the Aspen hospital bears no similarity to the most well known number in North America: 911. Fleet made this call to discover the police response time: how long a patrol car would take to arrive at 15th Street during the festive season. This X period of time would give Fleet a rough idea of how long he would have to make his escape should (a) A neighbour spot him skulking down the alleyway and call the police on the murder night, and (b) should John or Patsy call the police after being awakened by Fleet the intruder.
After the discovery of the body of JonBenet, Fleet's behaviour speaks volumes about his guilt.Despite being a pallbearer in JonBenét's funeral, he confronted the Ramseys - in their hour of need - shortly afterwards at the Paugh's home and almost comes to blows with John. He alleges to be concerned about the way he perceives the Ramseys to be reacting to the murder and says they are not co-operating with the investigation. The latter is hypocritical, considering Fleet's recent refusal to appear in court over a minor matter relating to the murder case. Fleet was so terrified of appearing in court, he spent a month in jail for ignoring the subpoena rather than risk putting himself on the stand. In his paranoid mind, he believes that if he were to appear in a court, some lawyer would catch him out.
In early December 1997, the Ramseys took up on a touching idea from their friends; to hold a remembrance service for JonBenet. As JonBenet had attended preschool at the First Presbyterian Church, that congregation was seen as the ideal place to hold the service. The ministers agreed that the remembrance service would be a touching tribute, and everyone who attended the church said the same - except two people. Fleet and Priscilla White - who also attended the First Presbyterian - protested. For reasons that were never made clear, the Whites demanded that the church should pull out of the service. So, the service for the murdered child was held instead at the First United Methodist Church. Fleet obviously couldn't face the prospect of attending a service for the victim of the person he had murdered.
In April 1997, Fleet demanded to be removed from the list of suspects in the JonBenet murder case. Steve Thomas later claimed Fleet White was cleared - but he didn't say why and the fact is that there was no official statement clearing him. Fleet was desperate to be cleared because weeks before on February 13 1997, Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter threatened to seek the death penalty in JonBenét's murder.
Fleet's antics then escalate. In January 1998, Fleet and his wife submit a 2,000-word letter to the Daily Camera, calling upon the then-Governor Roy Romer to remove District Attorney Alex Hunter from the murder investigation. The Fleets claim that Hunter's actions during the past year had "created the strong appearance of impropriety, professional incompetence and a lack of objectivity."
Romer refused the request. This means that Fleet will be the second person in Colorado since 1977 to die by lethal injection should he be named as the murderer.
There were more subsequent moves by White to remove Hunter - but Fleet was unsuccessful.
Now read this extract from The Death of Innocence the Ramseys official book about their experiences before and after the murder of JonBenet:
Quote:Five days later, and just two days after Steve Thomas's resignation, Fleet White - the friend who had been with me when I found JonBenet's body on December 26, 1996 - sent a fourteen-page, rambling letter to "the people of Colorado" and to Governor Roy Romer, asking him to remove District Attorney Alex Hunter from JonBenet's case. White claimed that various relationships between the Boulder County district attorney and the legal community (our attorneys, specifically) may have impaired the objectivity of the DA. He also cited the atmosphere of distrust and noncooperation between the district attorney and the Boulder police. Finally, he said that Hunter had been criticized in the past for not being an aggressive prosecutor of homicide cases.
A few people spoke out about this letter. For instance, in an interview with the Boulder Daily Camera, Colorado University Professor of Legal Ethics Dan Vigil said the relationship between Hunter and our attorneys, mentioned in White's letter, was inconsequential because "in a legal community this size, people are going to interact."
Then, on August 20 Governor Romer's spokesman, Jim Carpenter said that the governor saw nothing in Fleet White's letter that would lead him to change his mind.
Fleet White had tried to get Romer to replace Hunter on December 18, 1997, and when his request was rejected, White had sent an earlier letter to the Boulder Daily Camera, making many of the same allegations as his present letter.
Why was White so adamant about ousting District Attorney Alex Hunter? Chuck Green had given one theory in a Denver Post article back on January 16. "Her death and the year-long investigation had become a daily obsession for the Whites, according to friends," Green said, "and they are determined to follow every twist and turn to its conclusion. It was primarily that preoccupation with the murder case that caused them to ask Governor Roy Romer to personally intervene with the investigation by replacing Boulder District Attorney with a special prosecutor. But there was a lingering animosity toward Hunter's office, sources said, that helped fuel the Whites' anger."
Green went on to explain that in the summer of 1997 the Whites had asked to be "publicly cleared as potential suspects in the case, demanding that Police Chief Tom Koby issue a statement of exoneration." The DA had advised the police "to limit the statement to the current status of their case." White, Green's sources said, resented this.
Still, Fleet White's protests continued. On Monday, August 24, White wrote another letter to "the people of Colorado," this time suggesting that Lt. Governor Gail Schoettler had influenced the governor's decision. White said that Schoettler's husband had made several telephone calls to me [John Ramsey] in the days after JonBenet's murder. Yes, he had, although I never received any of them. As a former fraternity brother at Michigan State University, Don Stevens (Schoettler's husband) had called to offer his condolences and to inquire about funeral arrangements.
Lt. Governor Gail Schoettler replied to this accusation in an interview with the Boulder Daily Camera, "The governor and I have never discussed this case," she said.
The Whites were apparently trying to show that the Democratic "family" had somehow closed ranks to protect us. It was absurd and a bit mad. Plus, I was never an active Democrat.
On August 20, 1998, the Whites commented to a Camera staff reporter, "The district attorney and the Ramsey attorneys have simutaneously rebuked the police for 'focusing' their investigation on the Ramseys in fact the police were simply following evidence."
The innuendo here was obvious. Why had our former friend turned against us?
As Patsy and I thought thought about this, we went back to the days right after the murder. On December 26, 1996, the police had naturally asked me a lot of questions. I learned that the officers had interrogated Fleet for a long time on the twenty-seventh. I had no idea what was said, but after this session, Fleet returned upset and confused. Suddenly this close friend became tense and acted very strange.
As was the case with most of our social friendships, Patsy had met Priscilla and her children first. Their kids were almost the same ages as JonBenet and Burke. Later Fleet and I were introduced into an already blooming friendship. When we first met, they were renting a small house, two doors up the street from us. The Whites told us that they had left California because they felt the fast life around Newport Beach was a poor place to raise children. They had originally thought of moving to Aspen, where Fleet's parents had a home and where Fleet and Priscilla and their children had spent considerable time. But even Aspen didn't suit what they were looking for. Ultimately they settled in Boulder after Fleet drove there one day and decided it was the perfect community for them. Our children became instant friends and enjoyed frequent trips to and from each other's houses, which they could accomplish on their own with complete freedom, via backyards or front sidewalks.
Priscilla was a fun-loving California girl who liked to entertain and had good sense of humor. She and Patsy had quickly hit it off, and they enjoyed each other's company. The moms soon discovered that Fleet and I shared a penchant for sailing, as well. It's rare that dads and moms and both children synchronize so easily. Both sets of parents were older, and that added to the similarities.
The newspapers later would refer to Fleet as an oil magnate.His father, Fleet White Sr., was reported to have had a natural gas drilling company in California. He may have worked for his dad for a period of time before coming to Colorado, but as far as I know, Fleet did not work at a steady job during the time I knew him in Boulder. At one point he was trying to help his dad clean up some environmental issues at a gas station they owned in California, and he spoke of trying to get something started with some Denver businessman.
Fleet was mainly my sailing buddy. He occasionally talked of being an ardent sailor in the Newport Beach area and proudly displayed many models of the sailboats he had raced. He spoke of a silver loving cup, which bears his name and is on permanent display at the Newport Beach Yacht Club. He was a very experienced sailor. I was not. I could learn a great deal from him. Whenever we were together, sailing was our singular topic of conversation. Since he didn't have a nine-to-five job as I did, Fleet was free to be the one coordinator of logistics for our sailing ventures.
After JonBenet's murder, the Whites had arrived in Atlanta for Jonbenet's funeral the day after we did. They were scheduled to stay at Rod Westmoreland's home. Each of our Atlanta friends had graciously adopted a family from Colorado to host during the funeral. As an unspoken courtesy, our closest friends in Atlanta were to host the Whites, our closes friends from Colorado. For some reason, shortly after the Whites arrived at the Westmorelands', Priscilla got into a tiff with Rod's wife, Kimberly, and refused to stay in the Westmoreland's lovely home. The Whites said they would check into a hotel instead.
When I heard what had happened, I attributed the incident to the fact that everyone was distraught, tired and easily upset. I assumed they must have had reason to be on edge, and I mistakenly thought everything would subside.
As is customary in the South, the Westmorelands hosted a brunch in their home immediately following JonBenet's funeral for family, friends, and children. Apparently the Whites interpreted this gracious act as a horrible display of opulence and ostentation. In Whites' view, the Westmorelands were acting totally in bad taste, a view which was not shared by any other friends in attendance.
Eventually, Patsy and I suggested that the Whites stay at my brother's house. We didn't know what had happened at the Westmorelands', but we didn't want them staying in a motel. After all was said and done, they were our good friends and my brother, Jeff, is probably the most calm and under control person I know. Suggesting the Whites stay there was the logical thing to do. Unfortunately, nothing worked out there either.
Following the funeral Jeff remembers giving the Whites a ride to the Westmorelands' for the reception, and afterward, bringing them back to his own home. Fleet began complaining about the Westmorelands' home being in an exclusive area of Atlanta. Priscilla apparently was offended that the family had a maid. They persisted with these demeaning statements and ridiculed the Westmorelands' lifestyle. Fleet and Priscilla left Jeff's for a walk around the neighborhood.
When they returned, Fleet had become even more upset and kept talking about the need to keep "outsiders" from getting in on the investigation. He was rambling on and on, saying things like "We can't hurt the reputation of the people of Boulder...JonBenet is gone, we have to protect Boulder now...One hundred years ago people on farms took care of themselves. They didn't need cops or lawyers." His behavior seemed irrational to Jeff.
In short order, Fleet became more and more animated. He was periodically jabbing Jeff in the chest with his index finger and putting his hands on Jeff's neck. Jeff thought Fleet was on the verge of being out of control.
"How many people have you made really, really mad at you?" Fleet said, very agitated. "Ten or twelve maybe?"
"No, I don't think so," Jeff said, trying to remain calm.
Fleet continued pressing. "How many people have you made mad enough to want to kill you, or a member of your family? Two or three?"
"No," Jeff responded. He didn't know how anyone could think that way.
But the altercation didn't go away. Fleet's behavior seemed so unreasonable and out of place that it was frightening. Even though Jeff, who had been a high school quarterback, was perfectly capable of defending himself, Fleet scared him. Fleet and Priscilla left Jeff's home to talk to me, and Jeff decided that without a doubt he didn't want the Whites staying in his house that night.
Later that day at the Paughs' house, Priscilla sat me down and told me that she had talked to the police for hours. Then she abruptly said that there was semen found on JonBenet's body. I was so shocked. I couldn't speak. I just walked away. That urban legend was later proven untrue.
Before the Whites left for Atlanta, Priscilla called Patsy's father on the phone from the airport and argued with Don that she knew things that nobody else knew, telling him that he must persuade Patsy and me not to get attorneys. With that Priscilla hung up the telephone, and she and Fleet flew back to Boulder.
After we returned to Boulder, we experienced another strange incident involving the Whites. Patsy and I had been meeting with Father Rol Hoverstock in his office at St. John's and were in prayer with him when we heard a commotion outside. Fleet White pushed past both Patsy's father, who was waiting for us in the reception area, and Father Rol's secretary, demanding entrance to his office. Fleet barged in, unannounced, and dropped down on one knee, flashing a reporter's business card in the air.
"Now they're after me John!" Fleet shouted at me. "You know what I have to do, John." He looked crazed and shaken.
Father Rol kept trying to calm him down.
"What is it Fleet?" I reached out for the card. "Let me see it."
He kept waving the card but finally gave it to me. I looked on the back and realized that a reporter had scribbled a question about who had removed the tape from JonBenet's mouth. Was it Fleet or was it John? she had asked. Fleet kept yelling at us, as if Patsy and I had some sort of command over the media. I told him not to pay any attention to the press and offered to take the card and have one of our investigators call the reporter. Fleet said, "No, I'll take care of this in my own way."
What can I say? Fleet and I never had friction in our friendship prior to JonBenet's death. Clearly, something happened to the Whites between the time they were with us on the morning of December 26 in Boulder and when they arrived in Atlanta.
John Ramsey makes a curious comment that seems to hint at Fleet's guilt. When asked about the killer's nylon cord, John allegedly says: "It's not mine. Fleet White knows about cords, lines, and sailing."
So how about the duct tape? John replies: "Fleet had some special tapes, possibly black duct tape."
And it's true what John says. Amateur sailor Fleet White can tie elaborate knots, and he knows all about the handling of cords, and he does have special duct tape.
Fleet now has to answer to me, Keith Andrews. Then he has to answer to God for taking the life of a loveable 6-year-old girl who had so much to live for, and for putting her parents and brother through six years of sheer Hell.

©Keith Andrews 2002

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  for Sara Osborne
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-31-2017, 04:30 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (4)

who wanted to know why I thought something.  I am sharing a post I did NOT make that should say it all.  It is an old post from

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  1. AnonymousJanuary 17, 2015 at 8:51 PM
  2. Websleuths used to be a wonderful place for people to try to help and figure out responsible parties for murders and where missing people could be. More recently, Trisha's success with the radio show and website has resulted in arrogance and mis-use of power. The moderators of the site used to have respect and common courtesy for their members while they enforced terms of service (TOS) for legal reasons. Now, moderators act like hall monitors, using the perceived power they have over the forums to be punitive, hostile and disrespectful of their users. Going online to WS is like asking for an adrenaline rush as users are accused of and punished for perceived violations of TOS by the mods. You will find emails in your personal email inbox from mods attacking, flaming and accusing you of doing something wrong, as if being a member makes you part of a cult where you relinquish your right to respect and common courtesy. They "yell" at users like angry camp counselors and think their power to put a user a "time out", like a child, gives them the right to be rude and disrespectful, accosting and punishing their members if they step out of line. Meanwhile, what is considered out of bounds for discussion is vague and unclear, setting up their members to enter forbidden territory, and using it as an opportunity to attack them. It's extra negativity that any healthy adult doesn't need added to their lives.

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  legal issues
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-30-2017, 07:23 PM - Forum: How to solve this mystery - No Replies

stop making deals with sex offenders that include them not having their DNA entered into CODIS

The Effect of DNA Databases on Plea Bargaining. (May 2014)
Sarah Kathleen Armstrong Department of Economics Texas A&M University
Research Advisor: Dr. Jonathon Meer Department of Economics
Plea bargaining is a defining characteristic of the United States criminal justice system;
according to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, 95% of the 1,079,000 felons convicted in state
courts during 2004 pleaded guilty rather than face jury by trail.1 Despite the prominence of plea
negotiations in the American judiciary, the implications of this process have not been subject to
analysis that sufficiently matches its importance. Meanwhile, the increasing use of high-tech law
enforcement tools like DNA databases, which increase the probability that repeat offenders are
caught for their crimes, affect parties’ relative bargaining power and incentives. Most
importantly, defendants have an incentive to negotiate lesser charges in order to avoid being
added to their state’s DNA database, in exchange for longer sentences. We examine whether the
introduction and expansion of DNA databases across the United States have affected plea
bargaining by defendants. We use difference-in-differences analysis and State Court Process
(SCP) data from the Bureau of Justice Statistics, which is collected every two years and tracks
felony cases from charging by prosecutors until final disposition. We test for the impact of DNA
database expansions on the likelihood of pleading guilty to a crime, the likelihood of charge
bargaining, and other sentencing outcomes. Estimates provide evidence that database eligible
offenders are more likely to accept charge bargains and less likely to accept sentence bargains

relative to defendants that do not face database collection, indicating that plea bargaining may
help parties involved in plea negotiations to assist offenders in avoiding DNA database

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