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  clearing
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-19-2019, 06:18 PM - Forum: Fleet and Priscilla White - Replies (1)

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The BoulderNews Ramsey Archive
   
Articles from the Daily Camera


Police clear Ramseys' friends
Local executive was with father when body found
By ALLI KRUPSKI
Camera Staff Writer

Thursday, April 17, 1997
Investigators do not consider a local oil executive and his wife suspects in the JonBenet Ramsey homicide, officials said Wednesday.
Priscilla and Fleet White Jr. - close friends of the parents of the slain 6-year-old girl - arrived at the Ramseys' home on Dec. 26 shortly after Patsy Ramsey, JonBenet's mother, found a ransom note demanding $118,000 and called police, family friends said. About eight hours later, John Ramsey, JonBenet's father, and Fleet White discovered the former Little Miss Colorado strangled in the basement of the Ramseys' Boulder home, family friends said.
Authorities have not made any arrests or named any suspects in the case. Police, however, have ruled out John Andrew and Melinda Ramsey, JonBenet's adult half-siblings, as well as John Brewer Eustace, a drifter recently charged with kidnapping and sexually assaulting a 2-year-old girl in North Carolina.
"They (the Whites) are considered key witnesses," Boulder Police Chief Tom Koby said in a statement. "The Boulder Police Department appreciates the full cooperation they have received from the Whites since the beginning of their investigation. I feel this response is necessary due to the inaccurate portrayal of Mr. and Mrs. White in certain media publications."
In other developments:
As of March 30, Boulder police have incurred costs of $119,141 in the Ramsey investigation. The 1997 expenditures in clude $69,406 for overtime and $18,506 for travel.
"If a situation arises that requires additional funds, the police chief (Tom Koby) in consultation with the city manager (Tim Honey) would make City Council aware of that issue," city spokeswoman Leslie Aaholm said, noting the department's $14 million 1997 budget covers the expenses.
Ramsey lawyers have not decided if Patsy Ramsey will submit to authorities' request for a fifth handwriting sample, Aaholm said. Patsy Ramsey supplied a fourth, left-handed sample to investigators Saturday.
Detectives Steve Thomas and Ron Gosage have returned to Boulder from out-of-state trips related to the case to areas such as Atlanta and North Carolina.


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Copyright 1997 The Daily Camera. Any copying, redistribution, or retransmission of any of the contents of this service without the express written consent of The Daily Camera is expressly prohibited.

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  Jeralyn Merritt
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-19-2019, 03:09 PM - Forum: Grand Jury Indictments - No Replies

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/1/28/...es-in-1999

Report: Grand Jurors Voted on JonBenet Ramsey Charges in 1999.
By Jeralyn, Section Colorado News
Posted on Mon Jan 28, 2013 at 08:32:00 AM EST
Tags: Jon Benet Ramsey, Alex Hunter (all tags)
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JonBenet Ramsey was 6 years old when her body was discovered in her home on December 26, 1996. Today she’d be 22. No one has been charged with her murder.
There were problems from the outset with the collection of evidence and a compromised crime scene and misreporting by the media, which were compounded by infighting between the Boulder police and prosecutors. In 1998, the Governor stepped in, and experienced prosecutors from adjoining counties joined Hunter’s team in presenting the case to a Boulder grand jury. [More...]

The grand jury convened in September, 1998. It met for 13 months. Hunter and the new team of prosecutors consulted and met regularly with other seasoned prosecutors and forensic experts. The grand jury’s term was set to expire on October 20, 1999. The week before, the national media descended on Boulder. Rumors were rampant that a decision by the grand jury was imminent. The case was featured every day that week on all three networks’ nightly news and morning news shows, and of course, every cable talk show.
Very few cases since have generated as much publicity or polarized opinion as the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. Yesterday, it made the headlines again, when the Boulder Daily Camera reported that the grand jury that investigated the case in 1999 had voted to indict her parents on charges of child abuse resulting in death (not murder) but then-DA Alex Hunter refused to file charges because he believed there was insufficient evidence to convict. In 2008, Boulder DA Mary Lacey cleared the Ramseys after newly available DNA testing matched the genetic profile found in JonBenet’s underwear to two separate DNA samples on her long johns, and the markers excluded John and Patsy Ramsey and anyone else known to the D.A. (Their son, Burke Ramsey, had been cleared earlier.)
DA Hunter made it clear on October 13 and 14, 1999 when announcing there would be no indictment, that the filing of charges was ultimately his decision, and it was one he made after consultation with the prosecutors from adjoining counties who were working with his office to present the case to the grand jury. Grand jury secrecy rules, for good reason, prevented him from disclosing what occurred before the grand jury.
Hunter made a short impromptu announcement on October 13, 1999, and held a longer press conference on October 14, 1999. On October 13, he said:

Quote:The Boulder grand jury has completed its work and will not return. No charges have been filed. The grand jurors have done their work extraordinarily well, bringing to bear all of their legal powers, life experiences and shrewdness.
Yet, I must report to you that I, and my prosecution task force, believe we do not have sufficient evidence to warrant the filing of charges against anyone who has been investigated at this time. Under Colorado law, the proceedings of the grand jury are secret. Under no circumstances will I, or any of my advisers, prosecutors, the law enforcement officers working on this case, or the grand jurors, discuss grand jury proceedings today, or ever, unless ordered by the court.
On October 14, 1999, accompanied by fellow prosecutors on the case, he said:
Quote:We have eight career prosecutors with many, many years of service, who together have concluded that there is insufficient evidence to bring charges at this time.
Bob Grant, the most prominent media voice for prosecutors throughout the case and an adviser to Hunter and his team during the grand jury investigation, also spoke at the October 14 press conference:
Quote:GRANT: I'm Bob Grant, most of you know me. I'm the district attorney in the neighboring county of Adams. I've been involved in this case since February of 1997, been in the prosecution business for 22 years, elected district attorney next door since 1992. This is not a happy day. Yesterday was not a happy day. There is no satisfaction here in Boulder, there is no satisfaction in this case.

....This case has come to a grand jury posture in the hopes that the use of the subpoena power, the use of the confidentiality and secrecy provisions would, in fact, provide sufficient evidence to take it forward to a public prosecution; that hope hasn't materialized.
Grant dropped a lot of clues the final week of the grand jury investigation, and in the days after the decision not to indict was announced, even though he refused to directly answer the question as to whether the grand jury had voted.
On one show, he explained the difference between a true bill and an Indictment. He said the grand jury had three options.
  • It could return a true bill or return no true bill.
  • It could issue a report.
  • Or it could elect not to vote and simply disband.
The prosecutor is held to a different standard than the grand jury. He or she is ethically duty bound not to file charges unless he or she has a good faith belief the charges can be proven at trial beyond a reasonable doubt.
Looking back now at Grant's statements that week, the new Boulder Daily Camera report makes sense. He all but spelled it out.
The day before the Hunter’s October 13, 1999 announcement, Grant was on CBS (“JonBenet Ramsey’s Death" CBS News Transcripts October 12, 1999). He said:
Quote:Certainly, the prosecutors can advise and give their opinion, but the grand jury truly is in charge of this case at this stage and at every stage. If they choose to vote, no matter what the DAs say, they will vote.
When asked what happens if the prosecutor disagrees, he said:
Quote:Well, his ethical and legal and professional obligation would be not to submit that true bill as an indictment, if that's what he truly believes. See, the grand jury works on probable cause but also takes all inferences in favor of the people. In other words, if there are credibility questions, they believe people. If there's forensic evidence questions, they believe the forensic analysts. They work without the defense posture, so, you know, the DA has to bring all the other stuff into play and say, 'Well, there's a reasonable likelihood of conviction or not.' Not just probably somebody did it.
On October 13, 1999 Grant was on Rivera Live (as was I) and again refused to say whether the grand jury voted. (No Indictment Is Brought by the Grand Jury in the Jonbenet Ramsey Case and Guests Speculate as to the Reasons CNBC News Transcripts, October 13, 1999), But in chastising constant guilt promoter Wendy Murphy for her comments about evidence she knew nothing about, he said:
Quote:What's happened here is that experienced criminal justice professionals have, in fact, reviewed all of this evidence and agreed that there is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt. There is not a prosecutable case. Now you can make all of the statements you want about what you think you know, but you don't know more than you do.
He also said:
Quote:I suppose the question is: Just how long have we understood the lack of evidence in the case? And clearly, that's been a problem in the case from the beginning. It's always been a circumstantial case, without a smoking gun. Clearly all of us involved in the case had hoped that the use of the grand jury, its subpoena power, its confidentiality, its secrecy proceedings would lead to additional evidence that would put it over the top. Clearly, you know, Alex Hunter has made an agonizing decision, one that nobody is happy with. Nobody will be happy who's involved in this case until someone is brought to justice.
And there was this deflective answer:
Quote:RIVERA: Are you disappointed, personally, that this grand jury chose not to indict anyone?
Mr. GRANT: I am disappointed that the evidence is not able to support a prosecution at this stage, Geraldo.(my emphasis)
The next day, October 14, 1999, on another Show, Grant said:
Quote:A number of experienced prosecutors have reviewed all of the evidence in this case, have reviewed everything available to the grand jury, and have concluded that at this stage, at this state of the evidence, there is insufficient evidence to have a reasonable likelihood of conviction.
A little later that morning, on Later Today, there was this exchange between Grant and NBC’s Asha Blake (Adams County District Attorney Bob Grant Talks about the Jonbenet Ramsey Murder Case NBC News Transcripts October 14, 1999):
Quote:BLAKE: Bob, I want to talk to you about something you said yesterday to one of our producers. You said 'Alex Hunter is at peace with his decision, and the ultimate decision was made by him. Regardless of what the grand jurors recommended or what his prosecutors recommended, it was his decision to make.' Now, is it possible that the grand jury wanted to indict, but Alex Hunter felt that he couldn't get a conviction, so there was no indictment?
Mr. GRANT: Asha, you've correctly stated a possibility under the law, but let me be very clear. I cannot nor will anyone who is privy to the information discuss what the grand jury did or did not do under penalty of law. I'm not interested in going to jail, so I'm not going to talk about it. But you have, in fact, stated a possibility under the law.
So the clues were there: It was repeated over and over by Hunter and Grant that the decision not to indict was Hunter’s, and that at least a majority of the other District Attorneys agreed with him. What no one put together cogently was that Hunter made the decision even though the grand jury had voted to indict both parents on a lesser charge than murder. Some reporters just got it flat wrong. On NBC Nightly News, on October 14, 1999, reporter Roger O’Neil explained the decision not to file charges to Tom Brokaw this way:
Quote:But the special grand jury here in Boulder, after meeting for more than a year, and hearing every bit of evidence the police have assembled, is saying tonight, 'the evidence is stale.' Sources close to the investigation tell NBC News prosecutors wanted an indictment, and they wanted an indictment against the parents, John and Patsy Ramsey.
My position then (from Rivera Live 10/13 and similarly expressed on Hannity , O’Reilly and Paula Zahn that week) never changed from the early days:
Quote:To my mind, this case has always had all the earmarks of a violent, brutal, planned murder. This is not the case of parental rage, at least the way I have seen the evidence. The scientific evidence apparently is not there to support an indictment. Perhaps advances in technology will come along that may allow the evidence to be re-evaluated, that may allow someone to be charged. But for right now, if the evidence isn't there, we don't charge someone just because we can't figure out who else might have done it.
My position today, having covered this case extensively from the day after the murder in 1996 through the 2008 exoneration of the Ramseys: There’s very little that is newsworthy in the disclosure of the grand jury vote. Alex Hunter did the right thing in refusing to file an Indictment when the evidence was lacking to support a conviction by proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
The real culprits in this case, like so many cases today, is the guilt-mongering media, including pundits who just make stuff up. Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen aptly put it this way in a 1999 column, Presumed Guilty and Tasteless:
Quote:It just could be that an intruder entered that house and killed JonBenet Ramsey. That's a theory, but here's a fact. If the parents are not guilty, then the sickest people in this whole story--aside from the killer--are members of the journalistic lynch mob who have so casually condemned the Ramseys. It's one thing to be wrong. It's another to be cruel.

The grand jury had reams of evidence, forensic results and heard from dozens of witnesses. They watched more than 20 hours of videtaped depositions of John and Patsy Ramsey and heard from forensic experts. The Ramseys did coooperate with the investigation, giving interviews, handwriting samples and consents to search. The author of the ransom note was never established. Later DNA testing excluded the parents. There was significant evidence pointing to an intruder. There was no evidence of prior abuse by the Ramseys. The conclusion of the grand jury and the DA’s at the end of the grand jury remains the same: There was insufficient evidence to charge either one with murder. (Child abuse resulting in death is not murder and the DA’s believed they couldn’t even prove that.) The perpetrator’s DNA is now sitting in the FBI’s CODIS database, waiting for a match. It’s time to stop vilifying the Ramseys. As DA Mary Lacy said in 2008 when exonerating them, they are victims.
Quote:It is the responsibility of every prosecutor to seek justice. That responsibility includes seeking justice for people whose reputations and lives can be damaged irreparably by the lingering specter of suspicion. In a highly publicized case, the detrimental impact of publicity and suspicion on people’s lives can be extreme. The suspicions about the Ramseys in this case created an ongoing living hell for the Ramsey family and their friends, which added to their suffering from the unexplained and devastating loss of JonBenet.
For reasons including those discussed above, we believe that justice dictates that the Ramseys be treated only as victims of this very serious crime. We will accord them all the rights guaranteed to the victims of violent crimes under the law in Colorado and all the respect and sympathy due from one human being to another the extent that this office has added to the distress suffered by the Ramsey family at any time or to any degree, I offer my deepest apology.

R.I.P. JonBenet and Patsy Ramsey.

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  FBI on note
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-19-2019, 02:38 PM - Forum: Ransom Note - No Replies

FOX 13 reported that former Boulder police chief [b]Mark Beckner[/b], stated the following during a ‘Ask Me Anything’ segment on Reddit. Here’s a revealing passage from that discussion:

[b]“The FBI told us they’d never seen a 2.5 page ransom note,” [/b][and that] [b]“No note has ever been written at the scene, and then left at the scene with the dead victim at the scene, other than this case.”[/b]

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  cost
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-19-2019, 02:02 PM - Forum: Autopsy - No Replies

The coroner's office, paid by the county on a case-by-case basis, has not yet tallied the bill for the Ramsey case. Boulder County Coroner Dr. John Meyer said the basic cost for an autopsy is $700. But an autopsy in a murder such as the Ramsey case may require many special tests that add to the cost. And the coroner's office also incurred expenses in the Globe photo fiasco.
The office's costs for the Ramsey case are expected to far exceed that $700 base.
"It will be multiples of that," said Meyer.

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  did police ask for them?
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-19-2019, 01:31 PM - Forum: Polygraphs - No Replies

01/23/1997 news

 
Officials disputed a recent media report that the Boulder Police Department asked the Ramseys to take polygraph tests.
City spokeswoman Leslie Aaholm said she did not have knowledge of any such request. Korten would not confirm the report either.
"I really don't want to respond to what appears to be Police Department leaks about the issue," Korten (Ramsey media consultant)  said. "But ... our experts have told us that any polygraph tests made with the parents at this stage, given their emotional state, would produce results that are worthless.

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  But they already knew the DNA didn't match
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-19-2019, 01:08 PM - Forum: Handwriting - No Replies

Authorities denied recent media reports that handwriting samples did not match that of family members. Colorado Bureau of Investigation officials have not returned handwriting, blood and hair sample results from the Ramsey family and close friends to the Boulder Police Department.

"We have numerous examinations going on right now with this case," said Pete Mang, an inspector with the CBI. "There have been no final conclusions." 

1/9/1997 news story

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  unnamed - scared
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-19-2019, 12:41 PM - Forum: Neighbors - Replies (1)

Other residents said they have had difficulty sleeping and have placed chairs in front of their doors to prevent intruders from entering their homes at night.

"I just don't know what happened, and that's what's so scary," said one neighbor who declined to give her name. "There just isn't much crime here, which is why it's so terrifying to think that somebody really entered that house and killed her. And until they figure out what happened, I don't think I'll ever feel safe here again."

12/29/1996 news story

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  responding to email 3/29/2019
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-29-2019, 01:20 PM - Forum: Duck Tape - No Replies

The tape was found on her body by John - he took it off.  It was handled by Fleet White then left in the basement.  It was taken to an FBI lab who determined that the tape was made by Shurtape and after that Boulder sent Steve Thomas and Ron Gosage to the Shurtape factory in Hickory.  There they were told it was manufactured in November of 1996, they could tell because every time the fabric or adhesive is changed it has to be recorded and the combination of the crime tape was a very short run.  It was made in November.  Police knew all that before Easter of 1997.

Since the taped matched nothing in the Ramsey house and there was no evidence that the FAMILY bought it - - Thomas and his friends saw no reason to follow that lead any further.  I disagree and hope to push the issue a bit.  I think police may need to follow the lead to completion now if only to avoid embarrassment later if this ever went to trial they wouldn't want to have to admit they just... didn't.

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  tap dancing class
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-21-2019, 09:52 PM - Forum: odds and ends - No Replies

Tap Dancing Lessons (Boulder Rec Center)

"Started in fall that year, once a week at the Boulder Rec Center taught by Joseph Beaucage, six or eight other kids, they were preparing for a community dance recital in March [1997] Patsy thinks." (snip) "I mean Pinky Barber had her daughter in it, and Gwen Habley was in it" [Patsy 6/98 BPD Interviews]

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  jameson's back
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-21-2019, 09:12 AM - Forum: jameson's back - Replies (4)

   

This photo was taken in Boulder, Colorado in the winter of 1998. I was there working on a David Mills documentary.

I like the photo because there are 15 stories connected to that trip - and the photo reminds me of every one.

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