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  Wendy Redal wrote
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 06:02 AM - Forum: Patsy Ramsey - bio - No Replies

Incidentally, though I never met the Ramseys, JonBenet attended my kids’ elementary school and had attended the same preschool where we also knew a number of people, including the preschool director, who knew the family. None of them — well, none that I met, anyway — believed for a second that Patsy Ramsey could have had any role whatsoever in the death of her daughter. I, too, am totally turned off by the whole child pageant-thing, but these other parents confirmed that it was a sort of Southern-belle hobby that in Patsy’s mind was cute and innocuous (this is not a perspective I hold, but I don’t come out the pageant culture myself). The stories I heard of the Ramseys through personal connections were so very different from the picture of them painted in the vulture-like media accounts.

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  hidden room?
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 06:00 AM - Forum: odds and ends - No Replies

Wendy Redal wrote

When I first agreed to join the project, I met Dan Glick (then of Newsweek), with whom I would be working, in the kitchen at the Ramseys’ home. I toured the house, including the so-called ‘wine cellar’ where JonBenet’s body was found. It was so interesting later, as I was reviewing the media coverage, to hear a reporter from American Journal stand in front of the house there on 15th Street and refer to “this maze of a house…with its secret room.” It was a large house, yes, but no “maze,” and the “secret room” was easily located with one right turn at the foot of the basement stairs. It struck me as I watched this guy that he had never been in the house, yet he was speaking as if he had. It was thus ludicrous to discover that the reporters interviewing the Ramseys’ housekeeper (Linda-somebody; I can’t remember her last name) were buying her statements that she “never knew of” this hideaway. If not, then she’d simply never opened doors in the basement, as it was no hidden room.

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  Wendy Redal wrote
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 05:58 AM - Forum: Names to remember - Replies (1)

I actually provided some research assistance on Tracey’s first documentary, which interrogated the role of the media in establishing that ‘of course the parents did it.’ I came to the project assuming they probably were involved, but rather quickly came to recognize the amazing way in which those assumptions were shored up — created for me, even — by the deeply flawed media accounts that Tracey critiques. My role as a researcher was to examine in detail several months’ worth of broadcast coverage (both TV & radio) of the case, immediately after the crime and on into the spring and summer of 1996. What was so fascinating was to engage all this in a compressed timespan (i.e., watching hours and hours of this stuff at once, rather than over time as it actually unfolded). In such a context it was easy to see the presumptions, the leaps of belief, the insistence on the parents’ guilt based not on rationality but on media suggestion and ‘gut feelings.’

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  banshee squeals
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 05:57 AM - Forum: just BORG hate - No Replies

from Scholars and Rogues

The laying down of that narrative seemed to happen in barely a moment as the whole world just “knew,” the child had been killed by her parents, that “bastard billionaire, John Ramsey,” and the “white trash with cash, Patsy Ramsey, oh God how I hate that woman.” These were the mantras, the banshee squeals around the case that echoed across not just the United States but the whole world. I lost count of the number of times I had people screaming at me, frothing at the mouth, when I even dared to question their certainty of parental guilt. What was really fascinating was that when I asked how come they were so certain, so knowing, the reply was often along the lines of either repeating the media stories but, more often, commenting that they “looked guilty,” or “ it’s a gut feeling.”

I have searched long and hard in the Constitution and in law manuals and have yet to find the proposition that, if accused of a crime, I have a right to be judged by a jury of my peers’ guts

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  banshee squeals
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 05:57 AM - Forum: just BORG hate - No Replies

from Scholars and Rogues

The laying down of that narrative seemed to happen in barely a moment as the whole world just “knew,” the child had been killed by her parents, that “bastard billionaire, John Ramsey,” and the “white trash with cash, Patsy Ramsey, oh God how I hate that woman.” These were the mantras, the banshee squeals around the case that echoed across not just the United States but the whole world. I lost count of the number of times I had people screaming at me, frothing at the mouth, when I even dared to question their certainty of parental guilt. What was really fascinating was that when I asked how come they were so certain, so knowing, the reply was often along the lines of either repeating the media stories but, more often, commenting that they “looked guilty,” or “ it’s a gut feeling.”

I have searched long and hard in the Constitution and in law manuals and have yet to find the proposition that, if accused of a crime, I have a right to be judged by a jury of my peers’ guts

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  Bill Wise
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 05:49 AM - Forum: odds and ends - Replies (1)

From Michael Tracey in Scholars and Rogues

There was one other, telling moment involving the Commissioners. Bill Wise was speaking with them at a meeting and assumed that the microphone in front of him wasn’t live. He was heard to say that the person who killed JonBenet was “wealthy.” John Ramsey was wealthy, though not the billionaire that some claimed and while Wise’s gaff led to his removal from any involvement with the case, it nevertheless was shaving with the grain of prevailing belief about the case, the Ramseys did it.

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  mitch Morrisey
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 05:46 AM - Forum: Names to remember - No Replies

From Michael Tracey in Rogues and Scholars      
Mitch Morrissey, an aggressive member of the Denver DA’s office, who was one of a number of advisers to the Boulder DA, Alex Hunter, theorized, it would emerge later, that it belonged to someone in the Taiwanese factory where they had been manufactured, perhaps by sneezing as the panties were being made or wrapped in their packing. They even sought a supplementary budget from the County Commissioners to send a detective to the factory. The Commissioners declined the suggestion.

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  Story that JR flew the plane to Atlanta
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-15-2018, 05:17 AM - Forum: odds and ends - No Replies

From Michael Tracey in Scholars and Rogues



Another little gem: John Ramsey, it was reported, had flown his private jet back to Atlanta, with his family and JonBenet’s casket on board. So there it is, Ramsey is so calm, so not grieving, so in control, so mentally calm that he could fly a jet. Ergo, he was a sociopath who killed her.

The source was, as we were told by the reporter who first broke the “story,” a member of law enforcement who had always been “reliable.” Problem was, not true. Dan Glick, a stringer for Newsweek who worked with us on the first documentary, did something which we used to teach in Journalism 101, he checked the facts. In particular, he checked the FAA take off and landing log at JeffCo Airport and discovered that in fact the jet had been sent by the Chairman of Lockheed Martin, which had bought Ramsey’s company, Access Graphics, and that the pilot was a Lockheed pilot. When we interviewed the reporter who broke this story, who is as far as I can tell a really nice guy, and I asked him why, he asked me in return “maybe you can tell me it wasn’t his plane and he didn’t fly it.” The script line that followed that soundbite in the documentary was obvious and, to be honest, devastating, “…it wasn’t his plane and he didn’t fly it.”

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  Stacy Denton
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-12-2018, 12:04 PM - Forum: Names to remember - Replies (4)

[Image: 917BaselineRdYellowHouse01.gif]Stacy Denton's
Strange Story

About her three homeless friends
and 917 Baseline Road



Quote:RECAP OF INFORMATION POSTED ONLINE ABOUT STACY DENTON, 917 BASELINE:

00. 1997-12-24 News Article: 48-year-old homeless man, David Emmit Simpson, face was beaten

01. Stacy Denton, played guitar and sang at the Pearl St. mall with 3 homeless guys
02. She was a folksinger from the Pearl Street Mall for 11 years, with her bird, Dolly
03. Stacy Denton claimed JonBenet's murder happened at 917 Baseline Road
04. She said the murder weapon possibly was in the basement, in a heating duct
05. She said it happened in the basement at 917 Baseline on the pool table
06. She said the green fibers in JonBenet's hair were from the pool table.
07. She said her homeless friends spotted John Ramsey carrying JonBenet's body in garment bag
08. She said her friends reported what they saw and were murdered, dumped into Boulder Creek
09. The three homeless guys witness a man carrying body 12/25/1996 by 917 Baseline house
10. Two of the homeless men were Daniel Julian (July 97), Thomas Lemmon (Aug 97)
11. Third homeless man was David Emmett Simpson (aka "Mad Dog") who died Sept 97
12. Stacy Denton said JonBenet Ramsey died in a "A Dianic Wicca ritual"
13. Stacy feared for her life after her three friends died and she left the state
14. Stacy said "I found that around the U.S., Boulder is known as "Occult Central"
15. Stacy said "A painter found occult paraphelnalia in all of John Ramsey's offices!

Internet Subculture Feedback:

16. 1999-04-10 Starfist posted on Justice Watch about street person sending FAX at Safeway
17. 1999-04-10 Starfist questions whether the person sending FAX at Safeway is Jameson
18. 1999-04-14 Starfist obtained the political cartoon that was FAXED from Safeway
19. 2001-05-21 Stacy Denton tells story on BNF about political cartoon and 917 Baseline
20. 2001-05-21 Stacy Denton put her "Ballad To Jon Benet" on the Boulder News Forum
21. 2001-06-18 Nandee posts the house owner information on Cybersleuths forum
22. 2001-06-18 ACandyRose posts names of house residents on the Cybersleuths forum
23. 2001-06-21 Kimba posts some research on reverse telehone numbers on Cybersleuths forum
24. 2001-06-27 Chatter posts on Cybersleuths forum the location where house pic is
25. 2001-06-27 Jameson posts a picture of the house on her Webbsleuths forum
26. 2005-05-23 Eagle1 posts that he/she and others e-mailed with Stacy Denton at one time
27. 2005-07-21 BienHoa1968 posted names of 3 homeless men on Cybersleuths forum




Stacy Denton seems to have disappeared and Internet posters were still asking in 2005 if anybody has heard from her or anything else on this story. More currently in 2007, I found a Daily Camera News article titled, "Club offers support to homeless" that talks about "a Stacy Denton" and was wondering if this is the same Stacy Denton who told this story so many years ago?

Quotes from the following article:
http://www.dailycamera.com/news/2007/jan...-homeless/

"Rain or shine, snow or sun, every morning Stacy Denton grabs the same table in the back of the Pearl Street Mall Starbucks near the stir sticks and the creamer."

"Denton is sort of like the group's matriarch. Always concerned for her friends' well-being, she's become notorious for her constant storm forecasts, earning her the label "homeless weather lady."

"Although she's often a rock for others, Denton credits the morning meetings — which can last from 7 a.m. to 1 p.m. — for keeping her off the streets."

"That's where she found herself in 1999, at age 46. Suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder brought on by "the nastiest divorce," Denton was eating out of Dumpsters and sleeping under a Boulder Creek tunnel."

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  the prayer - Rutherford
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-12-2018, 08:42 AM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - No Replies

someone named Rutherford (I think) wrote about her "red flag" and I want to comment on that.

She wrote:

The Red flag to me was the prayer that Patsy Ramsey said she said over JonBenet as she tucked her in bed on December 25th. (She said this in I believe a CBS interview part one. I am unable to find it on the net, but a clip of it was shown on the A&E show titled, The killing of JonBenet: The truth uncovered. It is about the 11th minute of the show). The prayer, now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep...etc. Whether she said it out loud or in her head it just didn't happen. JonBenet was asleep and so Patsy all alone in the dark said basically a nursery rhyme to God. I am a Christian and so are the Ramseys. God knows who you are when you are alone and you cant be fake with God. It was 9 or 10 at night, getting up at 530, any prayer said in that situation is thankfulness or a problem you need to talk about or numerous other things. OR, not at all, just get the kids in bed. Then to further compound the unlikeliness of that prayer is the fact that she used it as a point of irony in a T.V. interview.

I want to say I was really surprised to see this being a red flag for anyone.  I can picture Patsy saying it out loud as she pulled the covers up - it would not be out of character at all.  Patsy wasn't praying to God because she was under stress or worried about anything - it wasn't a serious PRAYER prayer - it was more of their regular routine being followed even though JonBenet was not saying it with her.

Your last sentence makes no sense - when she said that little prayer over her sleeping child, she had no idea she was going to lose her daughter and talk about that night in some interview.  There is no irony there compounding the unlikeliness of anything.

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