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  3/5/01 on Peter Boyles
Posted by: jameson245 - 06-06-2017, 03:00 PM - Forum: Darnay Hoffman - No Replies

"Boyles/Hoffman transcript"
Posted by jams on Mar-05-01 at 12:30 PM (EST)
3/5/2001

Boyles: ... a couple of developments in the Ramsey case - and the Ramseys, of course, had their home broken into - - winkie-winkie. And then they have been hit with two lawsuits - the second one will be filed on behalf of their former housekeeper, Linda Hoffmann-Pugh, this morning, and the man who's doing it has been a long-time friend to this investigation Please say good morning and welcome back to Denver the talented Darnay Hoffman. Good Morning.

Hoffman: Good Morning, Peter, I'm glad to hear you're back and well.

Boyles: Hey, Darnay, it's good to hear your voice. I saw you on the Today Show when I was laid up. (laughter from Darnay)

Hoffman: That was an interesting occasion

Boyles: Yeah, it really was

Hoffman: As that show was going on, basically someone was burglarizing John Ramsey's home.

Boyles: Yes. I thought it was classic that initially Patsy Ramsey, during this burglary, was off meeting with friends, and then the lawyers got involved and the story turned into Patsy was at bible study.

Hoffman: Well, my favorite report of the story was the nature of the things taken, and one of the things indentified was the "K-Mart Jewelry" of Patsy. That wasn't a very smart burglar.

Boyles: Yeah, you got to think about it, you think to yourself, "What is Patsy and John doing the second time their alarm system is not turned on. These are people who have gone through so much, they claim, because they were not smart enough to turn on their burglary alarm system, and now, of course, it was turned off a second time.

Hoffman: Well, Peter, you know, in their book, in the part of the book that's just before the one where they talk about Chris Wolf, apparently there was an incident at that home also involving the alarm system being off. Nedra and Patsy arriving there and John going through the house with a frying pan checking every room and every closet for potential intruders. So this apparently has happened before. And then there is the strange incident of the boots that had been left at the Charlevoix home, mysteriously.

Boyles: Yeah, they are an interesting and fun to watch - but what I had to love when I was out was that the judge in Atlanta gave the green light to Chris Wolf's lawsuit and I watched the - - by the way -after - the question I keep asking is, where is that threatened lawsuit against Steve Thomas, the Boulder cop? Remember?

Hoffman: Oh Yeah

Boyles: John Ramsey sitting there on Larry King "You're gonna see a lot more of Team Ramsey. We're gonna sue you." Hey, John! Where's that lawsuit.

Hoffman: In fact, if they don't bring by sometime in mid-April they'll be barred by the statute of limitations that is one year for libel.

Boyles: They're not suing. They're not gonna have an OJ civil trial, but they may because of you.

Hoffman: Well, the way it looks now, based on the judge's decision, they are going to have a civil trial for the murder case because she ruled that in this particular instance, if we can show that Patsy wrote the ransom note, then we actually have a case. And that's the reason she green-lighted it - because she actually thinks that there might be a chance that we can do that in court.

Boyles: Who knew, right?

Hoffman: Yeah, exactly.

Boyles: The other part of this now is, I believe, and I take some pride in this, because I believe I was the intermediary to Linda Hoffmann-Pugh to you - - but now LHP - how much is she suing them for?

Hoffman: For the same amount that Chris Wolf is - Fifty Million dollars. In fact, the decision was made to wait to file her suit until we saw what the judge did with Chris Wolf's suit because we thought that he had been libeled more severely in their book than LHP had - We felt that LHP had been also, but we wanted to see what the judge would do with Chris Wolf and as soon as she gave us the green light there, we decided we'd run out and file for Linda. But there has been a development. We're filing the suit on Thursday out of respect for the family because apparently Nedra died on Friday and was buried secretly on Sunday. So we decided that, with respect to the family and their feelings, not to actually file the suit until this Thursday because of this sudden development over the weekend.

Boyles: Patsy Ramsey's mother passed away, you're saying, on Friday?

Hoffman: On Friday. She had been very sick , apparently had many things wrong with her, among them diabetes. And apparently the family did not want the news out so they could have a secret burial. And that was done yesterday and so as a result we have decided, and I know that Linda still has feeling for at least some of the family, decided that out of respect for Nedra that we would file the suit this Thursday instead of today.

Boyles: Take a second here, Darnay, and explain to the audience who Chris Wolf is and who LHP are.

Hoffman: Well, Chris Wolf is a Boulder business journalist. He has lived in Boulder for many years, has written for many newspapers - in fact was quite distinguished, winning an award in 1995 by, I think, the Co Press association for the best business series in journalism. LHP is a housekeeper that worked for the Ramseys and was very close to the family and JonBenét for about 14 months and in fact had last seen JonBenét and the family, I think about 48 hours before the actual death of JonBenet. The most interesting thing about LHP is that she is the first person that the police actually went and investigated and interrogated. She is the first name that Patsy Ramsey and John Ramsey gave police as a suspect. So while JonBenét's body was still in the house, Linda Hoffmann-Pugh was already being interrogated by the police and being required to give handwriting samples and they later swabbed her daughter... younger daughter's mouth for DNA samples.

Boyles: and they went out to their home and confronted her and her husband - did they not - that morning?

Hoffman: Well, Patsy was waltzing out of her home in a fur coat, without any kind of interrogation, while Linda Hoffmann-Pugh was being grilled along with her whole family.

Boyles: Absolutely and I've gotten to know Linda. We speak from time to time. And initially she was a very staunch defender of John and Patsy. She was quite angry with me and angry at some other people like Chuck Green and when she realized that the Ramseys... that she was one of - - now it's been dozens of people that the Ramseys have have thrown under the bus - then the light goes on for her and her husband and they realize what John and Patsy - while they are defending John and Patsy - what John and Patsy are really doing to them.

Hoffman: Well, she's also had an opportunity to see more evidence in the case, of the handwriting. We've had two experts which have come forward since we filed the lawsuits. One is Gideon Epstein who the US Government ........ used to identify nazi's in America in order to be able to bring them to justice. In fact there was that famous case, what was that ......... he identified him as the ex-nazi. He also appeared in Noriega trials and he consulted with the Philippine government to teach their police how to do forensic handwriting examination. And we have one other - Larry Zeigler - who's an ex... senior FBI document examiner. They say without a doubt that Patsy wrote the note and all of that is stuff that LHP has seen and it has really changed her mind about exactly what happened.

Boyles: So what's the court dates? What are you

Hoffman: What happens, in Atlanta we have to complete discovery in 4 months which means that we have to be ready for trial by the end of July at the latest. That means Patsy and John, in fact, I was talking to Lin Wood recently. We were talking about April depositions but it will probably be more like May for both Patsy and John and Chris Wolf. LHP will come along a little later because her suit's being filed later.

Boyles: Both of those are filed in Atlanta, correct?

Hoffman: Both in Atlanta, and more importantly, both in front of Judge Julie Carnes who is a former federal prosecutor - who's appointed by George Bush Senior - a mother and a law-and-order Republican.

Boyles: Oh Boy!

Hoffman : And she ain't smiling, I'll tell you that, when she, you know, thinks of Patsy.

Boyles: Can Court Tv pick this one up and run it live?

Hoffman: Unfortunately not, the federal court will not allow television. They have never allowed television.

Boyles: So much like the OJ civil trial, this will be locked away.

Hoffman: Unfortunately, yes. Seeing Patsy on the stand will be quite a revelation to some people.

Boyles: That might be worth a trip to Atlanta

Hoffman: Yes, it might.

Boyles: We will stay in touch. So again, best guess when this will happen...

Hoffman: Best guess is... we will be deposing the Ramseys - which is the first important breakthrough because they've never testified... Patsy's never testified under oath... she'll have to answer our questions - there will not be a laundry list of conditions in this case. And there will be a judge telling her that she has to answer questions - or take the 5th amendment. We expect a jury trial - probably sometime within 9 months to a year, given everything it will take to get to a jury

Boyles: Are you going to put together a team to work with you?

Hoffman: Absolutely. In fact I.... this handwriting team is exquisite. I don't think there's any doubt that the essential question in this case which is, "Did Patsy Ramsey write the ransom note?" That's basically what we are going to do. The Ramseys have already helped prove our case for us because they conceded on the Larry King show that whoever wrote the ransom note is the murderer. So we don't even have to prove that Patsy murdered her daughter, she concedes with John that whoever wrote the note murdered her daughter so all we have to do is show that Patsy Ramsey is the ransom note writer. And that we are going to be able to do rather easily.

Boyles: Were going to speak soon Darnay. Thank you for your time. Good to hear your voice. Thanks for being with us.

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  Dr. Francesco Beuf obituary -- JonBenet's pediatrician passed away
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 06-04-2017, 02:06 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - No Replies

Obituary



Dr. Francesco Beuf
1933 - 2017




Dr. Francesco Beuf died with his family around him on May 11th, at Boulder Community Hospital two days before his 84th birthday. Dr. Beuf was raised on his family's ranch in Wyoming. He received a degree in Mechanical Engineering from Cal Tech, then worked for one year at Bell Telephone Laboratories in Murray Hill, New Jersey. He then accepted an offer by General Electric's new Missile and Space Division in Philadelphia, where he was involved in designing missiles, satellites, Mars exploration probes, and, became manager of the Space Division's International Operations. In 1972, he took a leave of absence from GE to attend Temple University's School of Medicine, he was 40-years old. His internship and residency followed at the University of Pennsylvania Children's Hospital. For the next two years he was director of the intensive care nursery at Byrn Mawr Hospital. He then returned to his home town in Wyoming where he practiced general pediatrics, served as Chief of Staff at Sheridan County Memorial Hospital and was appointed by the Governor to the Wyoming Certificate of Need Board and Early Intervention Council. In 1990, Dr. Beuf moved to Boulder, admitting patients to Boulder Community hospital. In addition to his general pediatric work, Dr. Beuf loved teaching students at the CU Medical School where he was a Clinical Professor. He focused on the fields of Asthma/Allergy and Neonatology. He was board certified in Pediatrics, a Fellow of the American Academy of Pediatrics, a member of the Colorado and Boulder County Medical Societies, was awarded the American Medical Association's Physician's Recognition Award with Commendation for Self-Directed Learning and the CU Medical School Career Teachers Scholar Award. He volunteered his services to Doctors Without Boarders. His articles have appeared in national journals in the fields of medicine, interplanetary exploration and sports car magazines. "Doc", as he was known to his family, lived life with an adventurous spirit. He owned and flew his own plane as a teenager, using a horse pasture on his family's ranch as the landing strip. As a young man he bicycled across Europe and climbed the Matterhorn. He was an avid sports car enthusiast, who enjoyed racing his 1966 AC Shelby Cobra. He recently lost his wife of 23 years, Penni Pearson-Beuf, and he is survived by his daughter, Helen (Honey); sons, Carlo, Peter; and grandchildren Max, Tess, Olivia, Elizabeth and Caroline. In lieu of flowers contributions can be made to Charities within Reach or There With Care. A service will be conducted at St. John's Episcopal Church on Saturday, July 8th.


http://m.legacy.com/obituaries/dailycamera/obituary.aspx?n=francesco-beuf&pid=185396715&referrer=0&preview=false

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  Daily camera story
Posted by: jameson245 - 06-02-2017, 03:38 PM - Forum: DNA - more technical discussions - No Replies

http://www.dailycamera.com/news/boulder/...ct-ramseys

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  CU's one sixth rule
Posted by: jameson245 - 06-02-2017, 02:48 PM - Forum: Michael Tracey - No Replies

By Doug Cosper
Boulder Planet

August 5, 1998

State legislators and CU regents are questioning the university's ability to keep track of how much school time its professors spend on personal, for-profit work.

At the center of the controversy is a documentary film co-produced by University of Colorado journalism professor Michael Tracey that features an interview with John and Patsy Ramsey.

In violation of regents' rules, Tracey did not complete the paperwork designed to track the university time he spent making the film.

The subject of the film, which takes the media to task for its coverage of the JonBenet Ramsey murder case, is not at issue because it falls solidly within Tracey's field of study, everyone interviewed for this story agreed.

But the school's inability to say how much of Tracey's salaried time was spent on the film, from which he and his partners hope to profit personally, has raised some eyebrows at the state Capitol.

"If (professors) are going to spend X weeks on a project, higher education should be able to account for that," said State Sen. Jim Rizzuto, the longest-running member of the Joint Budget Committee. The committee is the legislative body that allocates the state budget, including funds for colleges and universities.

"That would be something I would be more than interested in bringing up at our next budget session in September," said Rizzuto, who co-sponsored a bill in 1994 that increased accountability standards: for state faculty sabbaticals. "This at least raises the question, that unless you have some accountability standards, it's eventually going to come up as a problem."

Joint Budget Committee Chairman Tony Grampsas called the issue an "accountability problem" and said: it's "the last thing CU needs in a tight budgetary season."

"I'm surprised the dean wouldn't be more cautious with that," said Grampsas, a Republican representative from Evergreen. "The budget's going to be stretched next year. The university doesn't want to be sitting here fighting another allegation that it is not paying attention to the details. That's people's jobs, for Christ's sake.

"Accountability is going to be at the core of a lot of questions asked next year again. The public is concerned about it," he added.

Tracey and Wick Rowland, dean of CU's School of Journalism and Mass Communication, acknowledged the paperwork omission. But both passionately defended the documentary project as a prime example of what university professors should be doing.

Honor system

CU allows, even encourages, its full-time faculty to spend up to one-sixth of their time and energy on consultation or research projects related to, but outside of, their regular university duties. Regents' rules allow professors to continue to collect their regular state salaries while being paid for that outside work.

"The point of the one-sixth rule is to keep professors involved in the community and real world and bring that experience back to the classroom," said Fort Collins Regent Guy Kelley. In establishing : the rules, the Board of Regents resolved, "... that public office not be used for private gain, and that there be complete public confidence in the integrity of the university."

Regents' rules require professors to inform their deans or department chairs before they undertake outside work for pay, said Todd Gleeson, CU associate vice chancellor for academic affairs. The professor is required to complete an "application for approval of additional remuneration." No further formal accounting is required.

"It's fundamentally an honor system," Gleeson said.

The one-page remuneration form "is the only paper trail that I am aware of," to track time spent on outside work, Gleeson said. The form asks professors to describe proposed projects, how much time they intend to spend on them, and what university facilities would be used.

The one-sixth rule is common in universities across the United States, said Robert Kreiser, spokesman for the American Association of University Professors, a Washington, D.C., group dedicated to defending principles of academic freedom, tenure and professional ethics. And CU's method of tracking how much time is spent for outside pay is not unusual.

"It's generally lax, across the country," Kreiser said. "The main concern is that people don't get so involved in what they're doing as to compromise their carrying out of their normal academic duties. The problem comes up when people tend to take advantage of the laxity, or it is a high- profile case like (Tracey's)," he said.

Kreiser said the issue has seldom been raised with the AAUP, but added, "We're seeing a lot of intrusions by legislators who believe that academic administrators are not enforcing the rules strictly enough."

Work now, ask later

Tracey said of the approval form, "I didn't know it existed. There are so many bloody forms at CU." He added he was only "vaguely aware" of the one-sixth rule. Tracey pointed out that although he had hoped to make money on the documentary, so far, "I've not seen a dime."

Great Britain's Channel 4 paid about £200,000 ($320,000) for a 60-minute version of the documentary that aired there last month, Tracey said. That money, combined with proceeds of a local broadcast scheduled for Wednesday, Aug. 5, on KUSA Channel 9, only covered the costs of production. Tracey said he has received about $10,000 in expenses for the project, mostly spent for travel to London, where the piece was edited. If he is going to profit on the Ramsey film, he said, it will be through a hoped-for American network sale and a subsequent book advance.

"I wish I had made some bloody money. It's cost me a lot. It's been an absolute nightmare," Tracey : said of the project. Tracey receives a salary of $80,941 from CU for a nine-month contract, according to the university.

Like most full professors in the journalism school, he teaches two classes a semester. Last spring semester, during which he said he put in the most time on the project, Tracey taught one undergraduate class of about 30 students with the aid of a teacher's assistant, and one graduate seminar of four students.

Boulder Regent Bob Sievers, who also is a CU professor of chemistry, said both professor and dean share responsibility for the approval form's completion.

"The faculty member has the responsibility to report outside activities and ask permission in advance, and the dean has a responsibility to remind people to observe the policy. You're supposed to obtain permission before you do it, not do it and ask permission later," he said.

'I have no idea'

Dean Rowland said he advised his faculty to request written approval for paid outside work. He added that he believed "the responsibility for filling them out and determining whether they should do that falls with the faculty member."

In Tracey's case, he said, "He told me about (the Ramsey project). As I understand it, it's part of his scholarly work." Rowland said he had not viewed the documentary.

"(Professor Tracey's) behavior is not different in this respect than the vast number of my faculty members," Rowland said. "I don't know exactly what projects people are working on at any particular time."

Asked if Tracey crossed the line set by the one-sixth rule, Rowland, said, "I have no idea." But he said he was comfortable with the amount of time the professor spent working on it on the university's clock. He said he had no indication that Tracey was neglecting his teaching and other: regular university duties.

He defended the documentary project as "right down the pipe" of Tracey's academic specialty as a critic of U.S. media, and he pointed out that interpreting the one-sixth rule is not a simple task.

"My impression is that during this time he has worked far more than 40 hours a week at his collective duties: research, teaching and service. So if you're calculating his time under the one- sixth rule, you could be overlooking the amount of extra time he's putting into his regular duties as well as his extra duties," Rowland said. "How do you divide that up? No one keeps a clock on that."

Rowland said he believed questions of adherence to policy "detract us from the central issue, which is the quality of the press coverage of the Ramsey case and the critiques thereof."

Regents rule

Sievers acknowledged the importance of faculty outside work.

"I would rather see people being very active and out in the world and trying to do things, as long as they are getting their job done." But he had harsh words to describe the Tracey project's violation of policy, which he attributed to "sloppy deanship."

"I think we should scrupulously observe that policy. It gives everyone a black eye when a few people don't do what they're supposed to do," Sievers said. He added, "That dean's going to get a piece of my mind."

Littleton Regent Norwood Robb said he believed CU policy is sufficient to protect against abuses of the one-sixth rule.

"I think the board is precise on the policy," Robb said. If Dean Rowland doesn't know how much time was spent on Tracey's project, "He probably needs to look at how he's running his school."

Regent Kelley agreed.

"Absolutely they should be required to follow regents' rules. I would hope that the dean would look into it and make sure the time spent and the remuneration received fall within the policies of the university."

Rowland said accountability relies on more than just university policy.

"Accountability to the public in the university comes in many forms. It includes the quality of the teaching in the classroom and the merits of the research and creative work, as well as the value of the service that the faculty member renders to their profession and the community. And most of those things are measured in an informal way, on a day-to-day basis, in the ongoing professional practice of the faculty member," Rowland said.

The system's real checks and balances are found in "the quality of education the students are receiving and the quality of the discourse and public debate that the faculty member's research engenders."

'I've got nothing to hide'

Tracey said he did not know how much university time he spent on the project.

"A lot," he estimated. "It was a very complex project. I've been working 80 hours a week" on both the film and his regular CU duties. He pointed out that much of that work occurred in the summer and outside of his CU contract.

Tracey was quick to defend his work and his right to profit personally from it.

"I believe with a passion that this project is absolutely of the essence of what I do as a professor," he said. As for any profits he might earn from the project, he said, "If that's a problem for anyone, it's not a problem for me, and it's certainly not a problem for CU."

He lashed out at those who have speculated that, "We're going to make millions. That's absolute bulls--t," he said. The film was not made primarily for profit, he said.

"What I was trying to do was to use this documentary to stimulate the debate about what was happening to American journalism. That's my reason for doing this," he insisted.

He decried profiteering from the Christmas 1996 murder of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey, especially by those in the media whom he called the "Ramsey Stage Army," who "have made a living on every minuscule detail of the Ramsey story." It was ironic, he said, that those journalists were among the first to criticize him for attempting to profit on the Ramsey story.

In reply to a suggestion that he contribute any future profits from the film to the university or a local charity dedicated to helping the victims of child abuse, he shot back, "No way. You're crazy. Did (Thomas) Cech give his Nobel Prize?"

Gleeson said Tracey likely faces no serious disciplinary action for failing to complete the approval form.

"Similar breaches usually result in a sit-down talk with the dean or a written commentary on the evaluation," Gleeson said.

Tracey said he will complete the application for the project's approval retroactively.

"Yeah, sure. I've got nothing to hide," he said.

"If nothing else," he said of the project, "a lot more people know of CU now than they did before."

The documentary is slated to air, commercial-free, at 8 p.m. Wednesday, Aug. 5, on KUSA Channel 9. Tracey is scheduled to discuss the film with local journalists, including members of the "Ramsey Stage Army," following the broadcast.

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  Spider Web
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 05-30-2017, 08:32 PM - Forum: Broken window/ Spider web - No Replies

Some people claim the spider web is PROOF that the window WAS NOT AN ENTRY FOR AN INTRUDER!!

THAT IS FALSE!!!


What many dont realize... is that a spider takes about AN HOUR to rebuild their web.

AN HOUR!!

https://superbeefy.com/how-long-does-it-...heir-webs/


How Long Does It Take a Spider To Spin a Web and How Do Spiders Maintain Their Webs?
July 1, 2014 by Karen Hill | Filed Under: Animals


 
A traditional looking round web doesn’t take too long to spin, usually about an hour if the spider doesn’t take breaks.

Sounds quick, but building a web is not the hard part, maintaining it is.

After a few days, the web is not only damaged from ensnaring supper but it also has lost most of its stickiness.

A spider does construction renewal, gathering up damaged threads with its front feet while trailing new silk behind.

In this way, a spider continuously keeps its web up and running.


So if an intruder hit the spider web upon entering or exiting, she could have easily repaired the web before law enforcement/people in the house saw the broken web. Assuming the killer left right after murdering JonBenet, the spider had MORE THEN ENOUGH TIME to rebuild it!


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https://www.papertrell.com/apps/preview/...sHTML.html


How long does it take a spider to spin its web?
Spiders spin their webs at different speeds, and no two spider webs are the same. It takes about one hour for the average spider to construct an elaborate web of silk thread, called an orb web. An orb web is a series of wheel-shaped, concentric outlines, with spokes extending from a center. Many species of spiders weave orb webs, which are most noticeable in the morning dew. Like other webs, spiders use orb webs to capture insects for food. The orb web is the most efficient type of spider web, since it covers the greatest area with the least amount of silk. Pound for pound, spider silk is about five times stronger than steel and twice as strong as Kevlar. Spider silk also has the ability to stretch about 30 percent longer than its original length without breaking, making its threads very resilient. Still, a spider usually spins a new orb web every day to help it keep its stickiness and insect-trapping capability. Throughout the day, the spider makes frequent repairs to damaged threads.

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  private interviews
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-26-2017, 06:25 PM - Forum: Fleet and Priscilla White - No Replies

The Whites have never spoke to me, never responded to any efforts I have made to meet with them or be in contact.  But they have been in contact with plenty of people who have spoken to me.

The Whites speak to many people - - and they do NOT accuse the Ramseys of any crime, don't speak about their grand jury testimony and don't discuss details of the evidence to many.  I won't pretend to be able to quote them, but I can report what I have seen and heard (notes from those interviews).

Fleet and Priscilla NEVER said the Ramseys had a troubled marriage, they had seen evidence of a loving relationship between John and Patsy, hugs, kisses and caring looks and actions.   

Fleet and Priscilla NEVER said the Ramseys were neglectful or abusive toward their kids - - the truth is they never saw the Ramseys yell at the kids and certainly did NOT see them spank the kids.  The Ramseys were easy-going people, fun to be with and nothing in their time with the Ramseys made the Whites think they were capable of such a crime.

My comment - - I still think the Whites told all that to the police but were pushed by the police who can lie during investigations.  I think the cops assured the Whites that both the BPD and FBI were sure it was the Ramseys - - poor F&P had misjudged their friends - - and advised the Whites they had better accept that and help the police prove it by getting the parents to agree to be tarred and feathered in the interrogation room - - or find themselves suspect.

Sadly, I think the Whites buckled.

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  Foliage caught under the grate
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-26-2017, 03:16 PM - Forum: Broken window/ Spider web - Replies (1)

   
This is a crime scene photo taken the day JonBenét's body was found.  Note the foliage is trapped under the grate.  Most people believe this, and the disturbance on the window ledge, and the broken spider web (part on ledge and some hanging from the open window) is evidence that someone went in or out that night.

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  Info about what happened in there
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-24-2017, 04:07 PM - Forum: Grand Jury Indictments - Replies (3)

No testimony but impressions by witnesses

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  Pat Burke
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-24-2017, 03:51 PM - Forum: Quotes about the Ramseys - No Replies

"There was nothing bad about Patsy Ramsey.   She was smart, nice, good mom, good wife, good daughter, good sister and intelligent student.  She basically was a wonderful all-around decent human being."

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  From Hal Haddon
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-24-2017, 03:49 PM - Forum: Quotes about the Ramseys - Replies (1)

"After the first interview with John and Patsy, they did not fit as anything other than terribly emotionally injured parents.  The way their daughter was killed was consistent with parents who fly into rages and people who would be physically assaultive with their children.  John raised five children without physically disciplining them.  You have to, by necessity, make decisions on what your clients tell you, and your instincts.  I've been wrong on both sides of the question before.  I always reevaluate my clients constantly.  My very strong first impression is that these are not the kind of people who would hurt their child; certainly not in the ways she was savaged.  That faith in them has not wavered."

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