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  Westword story
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 05:20 PM - Forum: Burke sues CBS for 750 million - Replies (1)

JonBenét Ramsey Murder Claim Suit: Burke's Lawyer Rips CBS's Call to Dismiss
Monday, March 20, 2017 at 5:19 a.m.
By Michael Roberts

CBS has formally asked a court to dismiss a lawsuit filed on behalf of Burke Ramsey over a 2016 docuseries in which a team of analysts concluded that he'd murdered his sister, JonBenét Ramsey, in their Boulder home on Christmas Day 1996. In response, Ramsey family attorney Lin Wood summarily rejects the arguments made by CBS and Dr. Werner Spitz, a participant in the docuseries being sued separately for comments he made last September during a WWJ-AM/CBS Detroit interview publicizing the program.

"CBS and the other docuseries’ defendants have recently moved to dismiss Burke’s complaint on essentially the same basis that Dr. Spitz did previously, contending that their accusation against Burke is protected opinion when taken in context," notes the Atlanta-based Wood, corresponding via e-mail. "In both instances, the defense asserts, as it must, that no reasonable mind could have taken the accusation to be one of fact rather than a mere subjective opinion or hypothesis."
Wood feels otherwise.

"CBS — one of the most well-known news outlets in the world — put up seven 'experts' in a four-hour 'documentary' and marketed their 'true-crime' series as giving one 'complete theory' that 'solved' the case, all the while representing the series as a documentary," he maintains.

Specifically, Spitz and the other panelists on the program, titled The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey, concluded that Burke killed his sister with a blow to the head. The following image from the docuseries captures a reenactment; Spitz is seen at left.
[Image: dr.werner.spitz.two.youtube.jpg]Dr. Werner Spitz, left, watches as a child is called upon to act out a theory of how Burke Ramsey could have killed his sister, JonBenét, from the CBS program The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey.


In Wood's view, "It is difficult to understand how, in that context, the accusation against Burke could have been intended and received as anything but a factual accusation. And that is clearly what the viewer expected — a truthful and factual 'documentary' providing insight into this case."

Instead, as the lawsuit alleges, "CBS and the others consciously portrayed false, skewed and misrepresentative facts and recreations throughout the broadcast that stole from the viewers their ability to evaluate the murder of JonBenét Ramsey and CBS’s accusation against Burke," Wood allows. "For this reason, and the issue of objective fact or subjective opinion aside, I do not believe the First Amendment protects statements that are based on a false disclosed basis or an undisclosed and incomplete basis."

Wood also provides an update on the Spitz suit, which was filed in Michigan.

"We had a hearing...in Detroit on the defense’s motion to dismiss the case," he notes. "Interestingly, despite the defense having provided to the court a DVD of CBS’ documentary and stating it was 'central' to their opinion defense, Dr. Spitz never provided to the court a copy of his WWJ radio interview wherein he made the statements complained of in the lawsuit. When the court requested a copy at the hearing, it appeared to my team that his lawyers were reluctant to provide it to the court."

Nonetheless, Wood goes on, "that radio broadcast will be provided to the court and to me....  So we will know more about the context in which Dr. Spitz uttered his accusations against this young man in short order."
Click to read excerpts of Spitz's remarks.

Meanwhile, Wood stresses, he's determined to press forward with both court actions — and he's confident the dismissal calls won't prevail.

"As paradoxical as it may seem in light of the many exonerations of Burke by several public officials, Burke will continue his quest to prove his innocence in a court of law," he writes. "We do not expect the court to deny him that opportunity by ruling that these accusations are protected speech."

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  John Andrew's room
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 03:42 PM - Forum: Rooms - No Replies

From 2001 documentary

Lou Smit was giving a tour of the house.

"This is the door to JonBenét's room and right over here is the door to the guest bedroom.
and there was a real interesting thing that we found out about this room. This window overlooks the garage and the driveway and would be a great vantage point for anyone that would want to see if the Ramseys were coming home that night.
What's interesting about this room Also what was real interesting in this room we did see that some of the drawers in the bathroom right off the bedroom were partially open which look like they were out of place.
Also in this room there was a rope and we don't know where that rope came from. No one can explain why that rope is in this room.
Also what's real interesting in this room, and it's just a small detail, but there was a dust ruffle all the way around the bed that was tucked in except for just a small area right in front of the bed. It seem to have been pulled out. Now does that mean that killer may have been under that bed, we just don't know. But its just an observation.
The dust ruffle is just one of the small things that detectives look for."

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  Lin Wood Responds to Dismissal of Lawsuit
Posted by: BIZ - 03-20-2017, 02:07 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - No Replies

[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]http://www.westword.com/news/jonbenet-murder-claim-lawsuit-burke-ramseys-lawyer-rips-cbs-call-to-dismiss-8876611[/font]

[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]CBS has formally asked a court to dismiss a lawsuit filed on behalf of Burke Ramsey over a 2016 docuseries in which a team of analysts concluded that he'd murdered his sister, JonBenét Ramsey, in their Boulder home on Christmas Day 1996. In response, Ramsey family attorney Lin Wood summarily rejects the arguments made by CBS and Dr[/font]. Werner Spitz, a participant in the docuseries being sued separately for comments he made last September during a WWJ-AM/CBS Detroit interview publicizing the program.


"CBS and the other docuseries’ defendants have recently moved to dismiss Burke’s complaint on essentially the same basis that Dr. Spitz did previously, contending that their accusation against Burke is protected opinion when taken in context," notes the Atlanta-based Wood, corresponding via e-mail. "In both instances, the defense asserts, as it must, that no reasonable mind could have taken the accusation to be one of fact rather than a mere subjective opinion or hypothesis."

Wood feels otherwise.

"CBS — one of the most well-known news outlets in the world — put up seven 'experts' in a four-hour 'documentary' and marketed their 'true-crime' series as giving one 'complete theory' that 'solved' the case, all the while representing the series as a documentary," he maintains.

Specifically, Spitz and the other panelists on the program, titled The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey, concluded that Burke killed his sister with a blow to the head. The following image from the docuseries captures a reenactment; Spitz is seen at left.

[Image: dr.werner.spitz.two.youtube.jpg]Dr. Werner Spitz, left, watches as a child is called upon to act out a theory of how Burke Ramsey could have killed his sister, JonBenét, from the CBS program The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey.

CBS



In Wood's view, "It is difficult to understand how, in that context, the accusation against Burke could have been intended and received as anything but a factual accusation. And that is clearly what the viewer expected — a truthful and factual 'documentary' providing insight into this case."

Instead, as the lawsuit alleges, "CBS and the others consciously portrayed false, skewed and misrepresentative facts and recreations throughout the broadcast that stole from the viewers their ability to evaluate the murder of JonBenét Ramsey and CBS’s accusation against Burke," Wood allows. "For this reason, and the issue of objective fact or subjective opinion aside, I do not believe the First Amendment protects statements that are based on a false disclosed basis or an undisclosed and incomplete basis."

Wood also provides an update on the Spitz suit, which was filed in Michigan.

"We had a hearing...in Detroit on the defense’s motion to dismiss the case," he notes. "Interestingly, despite the defense having provided to the court a DVD of CBS’ documentary and stating it was 'central' to their opinion defense, Dr. Spitz never provided to the court a copy of his WWJ radio interview wherein he made the statements complained of in the lawsuit. When the court requested a copy at the hearing, it appeared to my team that his lawyers were reluctant to provide it to the court."

Nonetheless, Wood goes on, "that radio broadcast will be provided to the court and to me....  So we will know more about the context in which Dr. Spitz uttered his accusations against this young man in short order."

Click to read excerpts of Spitz's remarks.

Meanwhile, Wood stresses, he's determined to press forward with both court actions — and he's confident the dismissal calls won't prevail.
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]"As paradoxical as it may seem in light of the many exonerations of Burke by several public officials, Burke will continue his quest to prove his innocence in a court of law," he writes. "We do not expect the court to deny him that opportunity by ruling that these accusations are protected speech."[/font]

[font=San Francisco, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, .SFNSText-Regular, sans-serif]They can delete the tapes from [/font][font=San Francisco, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, .SFNSText-Regular, sans-serif]the[/font][font=San Francisco, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, .SFNSText-Regular, sans-serif] internet and not produce them in court. But we have record of what was said:[/font]
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September 20th, 2016, 1:47 PM [/font]

[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]Share66[/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif][font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]Dr. Wener Spitz
A team of investigators, including Dr. Spitz, 89, a retired Wayne State University professor and world-renowned forensic pathologist, examined evidence in the 1996 slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey and concluded Monday night that brother Burke did it.[/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]The conclusion came on the CBS docu-series "The Case of: JonBenet Ramsey." [/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]CBS Detroit reports:[/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]On Monday night’s premiere of the series “The Case Of: JonBenét Ramsey,” Spitz forwarded a theory that Ramsey was killed by a heavy flashlight that was seen in crime scene photographs on the family’s kitchen counter top the next day. He showed through demonstrations on the CBS special that the fatal injury to the 6-year-old’s skull matched the flashlight’s outer rim, though no DNA was ever discovered on the device.[/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]JonBenet Ramsey[/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]The team included retired FBI profiler Jim Clemente and criminal behavioral analyst Laura Richards.[/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]The team believes the parents concocted a story to cover for their son. [/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]“If you really, really use your free time to think about this case, you cannot come to a different conclusion,” Spitz told CBS Detroit. “It’s the boy who did it, whether he was jealous, or mentally unfit or something … I don’t know the why, I’m not a psychiatrist, but what I am sure about is what I know about him, that is what happened here. And the parents changed the scene to make it look like something it wasn’t."[/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]Spitz has worked on a number of high profile cases over the decades including the assassinations of president John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr.[/font][/font]

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  Advice from posters
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 09:21 AM - Forum: How to solve this mystery - Replies (12)

Go back to the names of people who were not really good but REASONABLE suspects.  People who were in Boulder at the time and were suspected by others who knew them - co-workers, classmates, family.  Research every one on thatlist to see what they have done Iin the past 20 years.  

The person who killed JonBenet was not like most of us, he was a sadistic person, a pedophile, and I believe he left his DNA mixed with her blood in her panties.  We have a good profile of that DNA.  It was NOT a group DNA found there, just the victim and someone there when she was bleeding from a sexual assault.

This is a quote from Investigator Andy Horita's investigative report to the DA.  (Pg 8 of 16)

Amy Jeanguenat, the DNA expert who anlyzed the panties sample at Bode Technology,  "stated that she saw NO indication that a third party contributed to the mixture and would 'testify in court' to that effect."

That quote is worth repeating.  

Amy Jeanguenat "...stated that she saw NO indication that a third party contributed to the mixture and would 'testify in court' to that effect."

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  Starting with advice from J&P
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-19-2017, 08:15 AM - Forum: How to solve this mystery - No Replies

VAN SUSTEREN: What would you tell them to do?
P. RAMSEY: I would say: This is the room where all of the evidence is stored. You start from the beginning, start combing, and go.
J. RAMSEY: Go back to the neighborhood, talk to the neighbors, that's never been done by the police. Start from the beginning, start from scratch, sit down with the parents, sit down with anybody that will talk to you within a hundred-yard radius of the house.
VAN SUSTEREN: Didn't they talk to the neighbor, though, who heard a scream at some point?
P. RAMSEY: We don't know, Greta, because no one has ever -- We hear rumors all the time. No one in authority has ever talked with us and told us what they know.
J. RAMSEY: What we know is what we have read or heard on television. We have not heard anything official from the police. So was there a woman that heard a scream? I believe so because I've heard that reported.
VAN SUSTEREN: But you don't know for certain?
J. RAMSEY: I don't know for certain.

(Note, that still has not changed.  The BPD still has not told the Ramseys everything they really KNOW about this case.  Meetings were  held, like the one in Atlanta, and promises were made - - they didn't have that with them but would send on to Lin - and never kept)

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  What they should have known
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-16-2017, 12:54 AM - Forum: The CBS suit - Replies (13)

I have official documents in hand.  As of 10/21/2003, certain tasks were underway in Boulder - and one was getting a national listing of all purchasers from Air Taser.  That is evidence that as of October 2003, Boulder was NOT dismissing the stun gun as just theory and was actively looking into who owned them.  So if Kolar had access to those papers - - he knew the stun gun was real and promoting the railroad track as the cause of that injury was just wrong.

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  Werner Spitz lawsuit update
Posted by: Kaligirlsam - 03-09-2017, 10:15 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - Replies (1)

NEW- Burke Ramsey's $150 million lawsuit against Dr Werner Spitz
will continue. A Detroit judge today said he needs to hear a recent audiotape where Spitz allegedly said Burke Ramsey killed his sister JonBenet in 1996 in the family's home in Boulder. The defense had asked that the case be dismissed The judge says he won't  make a ruling until he hears that tape. The JonBenet murder case has been world famous since the little girl was killed on Christmas Day or the day after.

-Paula Woodward

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  Richard Eikelenboom states DNA 10,000 times more likely to be hispanic
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 03-09-2017, 04:24 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - Replies (3)

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/09/10/col...rder-case/


JonBenét Ramsey 20 years later: New theories on DNA, family squabbles and sadistic strangers hit the airwaves





KIRK MITCHELL | kmitchell@denverpost.com | 


First-graders at High Peaks Elementary School in Boulder and competitors at child beauty pageants knew her. But on Christmas Day 1996, JonBenét Ramsey was not a household name.
That changed quickly, however, and by New Year’s Day 1997, the little girl’s first name and face were more recognizable in the U.S. and around the world than Miss America 1996 Shawntell Smith of Oklahoma or Miss Universe 1996 Alicia Machado of Venezuala.[Image: jonbenet-ramsey-017.jpg?w=620]
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JonBenét quickly became the [url=http://blogs.denverpost.com/coldcases/2014/08/06/jonbenet-ramsey-24-today/9070/]only beauty queen people talked about
 after the 6-year-old was brutally murdered in her family’s basement on Dec. 26, 1996. Her beaming face had been plastered on newspapers, magazines and tabloids. National TV shows featured video of the girl during pageants.
“There is no question this case has caught worldwide attention and there continues to be speculation as to who committed this crime,” Boulder police Chief Greg Testa said in a Sept. 1 videotaped statement as the 20th anniversary of JonBenét’s murder approaches.
Boulder police have been widely criticized for their handling of the case. But Testa said the reason he wouldn’t do interviews about it was to maintain the investigation’s integrity. He pointed out that the department processed 1,500 pieces of evidence, took 200 DNA samples, interviewed more than 1,000 people in eight states and investigated more than 20,000 tips, letters and e-mails.
Despite Testa’s defense of his department, a new round of anniversary-driven reports and TV shows are dredging up old stories of Boulder police incompetence and in some cases shedding new light on police missteps. The reports point out that detectives alternately accused JonBenét’s 9-year-old brother and her mother, Patsy, for her death, while hiding the fact that a drop of blood from the likely killer was found on her pajamas.
Some of the new media revelations could be groundbreaking — if the facts are confirmed.
DNA testing
For example, A & E’s two-hour documentary that appeared on Mondaydisclosed that new DNA testing that can identify a person’s racial background reveals that the killer is most likely of Hispanic heritage. Such evidence excludes the Ramsey family and could help detectives hone their investigation to only Hispanic suspects.

But those DNA tests were conducted by Richard Eikelenboom, who was allegedly discredited last month during a Denver trial after a prosecutor got him to admit he was self-trained to conduct DNA profiles, “that he had no direct DNA extraction or analysis experience,” and operates a lab that has not been accredited.
Besides doing DNA forensic work in JonBenét’s case, Eikelenboom has testified in high-profile cases for Timothy Masters, Casey Anthony and David Camm. All three have been acquitted of murder charges. But Eikelenboom said he is accredited in Holland and the U.S. by the American Society of Crime Lab Directors.
Two weeks ago, Eikelenboom entered the unidentified DNA profile into national DNA databases and determined that the donor of the blood found on JonBenét’s panties is 10,000 times more likely to be Hispanic than Caucasian or black. He said Boulder police should enter just the Y-chromosome DNA profile of the donor in the FBI’s Combined DNA Index System to possibly get a so-called familial match.
Boulder police have not indicated whether they are focusing on Hispanic suspects based on the results of DNA tests.
Family fight?
The A & E documentary also solidifies what has already been reported about the telling sequence of JonBenet’s injuries. Boulder detectives have long suggested JonBenét’s death was the tragic result of a domestic incident. One theory presented by Boulder police was that Patsy struck her daughter after the girl wet her parent’s bed late Christmas night and that the garroting of the child’s neck was part of an elaborate cover up.
The documentary quotes a Colorado Springs forensic scientist and a team of Great Britain as saying that half-moon marks on JonBenét’s neck found during the autopsy indicate she was still alive when the chord was placed around her neck, which would show it couldn’t have been part of a post-death cover-up.
Another theory advanced by Boulder police was that her brother Burke cracked her over the head during an argument fueled by jealousy.
Doctor Phil has promised to reveal “shocking, never-before heard” detailsabout the “nation’s most talked about cold case” in his season-opening show on Monday. It’s the first installment of a three-part series based on the first-ever media interviews with Burke Ramsey.

Other TV projects also focus on the Ramsey family as the perpetrators including an in-depth package by CBS News, which reunited some of the case’s original investigators including retired FBI profiler Jim Clemente, world-renowned forensic scientist Dr. Henry Lee and James Kolar, the former chief investigator for the Boulder District Attorney’s Office.

The six-part series,  quotes investigators expressing doubt that someone would use a stun gun on JonBenét. The intruder theory says a stun gun caused the marks left on the girl’s neck. A trailer for the series quotes an expert saying that he’d never seen anything like the ransom note left at the house.

Sexual sadist intruder
But many law enforcement experts, including some former Boulder police officers, now believe the killer was not a relative, but a sexual sadist who broke into the home.
In the “Dateline NBC” special, “Who Killed JonBenét?” , correspondent Josh Mankiewicz interviews Bob Whitson, a retired Boulder detective sergeant who was in the Ramsey home the day JonBenét’s body was found.
“The behavior at the scene does not match up” with the Ramseys, Whitson tells Dateline. “It matches up with a sexually sadistic person and a psychopath.”

But despite the myriad theories and potential suspects, Boulder police remain committed to finding the killer.
“Publications and movies offer many theories about how this crime occurred and who is responsible. Facts have been surmised and often distorted, which has led to many conclusions,” Testa said. “We remain focused on this investigation and finding justice for JonBenét.”

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  Q&A
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 12:16 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (17)

The forum might prove helpful in educating those who are not-quite-BORG and seeking information.  I know in some places there are questions put out - - and answered - - but they are on BORG forums and the other side of the story is not being told there.  So please, if so inclined, copy some questions and answer them here.

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  Posts that might be found in MAD Magazine
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 11:08 AM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - Replies (14)

[Image: quote_icon.png] Originally Posted by Curiousmind48 [Image: viewpost-right.png]

Has anyone considered the possibility that jonbenet tried to kill herself that night, that she was so distraught that she stood on a chair and tied a rope around her own neck? I know she was only six, but even young children can be pushed to a certain limit and crack. Could patsy have found her daughter almost dead from strangulation and because that would blow the illusion of a perfect family, further staging might have taken place. Or the rope was so tight, it would not come off and it was clear she was in great distress and dying. Could someone have finished the job as a way to end her suffering? Of course, that doesn't explain the head injury. I dont believe an intruder was involved, but will say, the simplest explanation is often the right one.

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