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  Evan Ravitz and Dr. Robert McFarland
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-30-2018, 09:12 PM - Forum: Names to remember - Replies (16)

Dr. Robert McFarland's and my experience with the JonBenet Ramsey murder case 
and District Attorney Alex Hunter's "grand secrecy"
by Evan Ravitz , evan@vote.org
The Boulder Daily Camera will publish my editorial about the case this Saturday 4/29/00, which will be document 16 below. Note the year 2000 developments below. We tried to tell the Grand Jury about these things!

  1. October 15, 1999: My letter to Colorado Attorney General Ken Salazar, with time line summary of events.

  2. September 7, 1999: Dr. McFarland's request to testify to the grand jury

  3. September 20, 1999: My request to testify to the grand jury, to prosecuting attorney Michael Kane.

  4. September 20, 1999: Mr. Kane and Alex Hunter's denial of my request.

  5. September 27, 1999: My appeal of the denial to Judge Roxanne Bailin

  6. September 27, 1999: My motion to vacate Judge Daniel Hale's no-contact (with the grand jury) order, with the support of the Colorado ACLU

  7. October 7, 1999: Judge Bailin's denial of my appeal.
  8. Spring, 1999: Chapters 10 & 20 of Stephen Singular's book [b]Presumed Guilty: An Investigation into the Jon Benet Ramsey Case, the Media, and the Culture of Pornography[Image: ir?t=takthemocouto-20&l=as2&o=1&a=1893224007][b] These were the chapters that we sent to the grand jurors at their homes after the grand jury foreman told us he never received the book we sent him in care of the District Attorney. For this we were threatened with contempt of court, in spite of Colorado law. We were the main sources for the chapters. [/b][/b]
  9. [b][b]February 2, 1999: Transcript of Dr. McFarland's radio interview with Donald Freed, author of Killing Time, (about the OJ Simpson case) and screenwriter for the movie "Executive Action" about the JFK assassination.[/b][/b]

  10. Spring, 1994: Dr. McFarland's article on The Children of God cult, published in The Journal of Psychohistory. A former trainer for the cult recently returned his "Parent of the Year" award when his association was disclosed.

  11. The case of Lauriane, "the JonBenet of France"

  12. FEBRUARY 25, 2000: Boulder Daily Camera: "DA pursues new Ramsey lead: Hunter asks police to investigate woman’s story of sex abuse"

  13. FEBRUARY 26, 2000: Boulder Daily Camera: "Therapist backs sex-ring claim; Bienkowski: Client gave Boulder police names of people who are witnesses in JonBenet’s death."

  14. MARCH 5, 2000: Boulder Daily Camera: "Ramsey Detectives off to California" (to interview the therapist of the woman claiming knowledge of the Ramsey case due to her family’s closeness with Ramsey ex-friend Fleet White)

  15. MARCH 9, 2000: Boulder Daily Camera "Boulder police interview therapist"

  16. April 29, 2000: Boulder Daily Camera guest editorial by Evan Ravitz: "'Nothing what it seems' in Ramsey case." Here's the paragraph the Camera DIDN'T publish (it was to be 3rd to last):
[b]"Det. Tom Wickman made another curious comment to Dr. McFarland and I, and independently to Stephen Singular, author of "Presumed Guilty: An Investigation into the JonBenet Ramsey Case, the Media, and the Culture of Pornography" (on page 217). Tom said that once he was "getting close" to arresting a Boulder City Council member, but had been told to "back off." Since Tom was legally prohibited from giving us any clues about the Ramsey investigation, I feel he was repeatedly drawing an analogy, by way of saying that he'd heard the pedophile-coverup story before and had been told to back off from investigating that."[/b]
[b]We suggest letters to US Attorney General Janet Reno. Ask her to investigate why the FBI never took charge of the Ramsey case -an apparent kidnapping case- as required by the "Lindbergh law." Ask her to review this web site (vote.org) Her address:[/b]
[b]Attorney General Janet Reno, U.S. Department of Justice, 950 Pennsylvania Ave NW Washington DC 20530-0001
email: web@usdoj.gov You can call her at 202-616-2777 or fax: 202-514-5331
[/b]

[b]You can also email Colorado Governor Owens, Attorney General Salazar, and their advisors.[/b]
[b]Grand Juries in Colorado, both State and Federal, are being manipulated in various ways. The Ramsey Grand Jury was kept in the dark about many people’s evidence. Read the leaked 1993 Rocky Flats Grand Jury Uncensored Report. Rocky Flats, between Denver and Boulder, made the A-bomb "triggers" for US H-bombs from 1954 till closed by the FBI in 1989. The Grand Jurors wanted to indict Department of Energy officials and private contractors for continuing crimes, but the prosecutor struck a deal, and silenced the jurors.[/b]
[b]For an alternative to such secrecy and impunity in government, please see the National Initiative for Democracy.. [/b]

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  Found on Facebook
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-30-2018, 06:31 PM - Forum: Found on other forums - No Replies

[/url]This guy seems pretty smart - and may not last long on the Facebook forums that don't seem to care if lies stand unchallenged.
[url=https://www.facebook.com/tom.gavin.988?fref=gs&dti=1731600583761248&hc_location=group]


Tom Gavin
New Member · July 25 at 11:13 PM


Bob Russell, Former District Attorney in Colorado Springs:
"The evidence was too strong that the Ramseys didn't do this. And so, to see that anybody's trying to really get the Ramsey's indicted, when I had already seen the evidence that showed he Ramseys most certainly didn't do it, it really bothered me...even though I've been a Prosecutor all my life."
After Lou Smit was allowed to keep his evidence, that pointed to an Intruder (The Boulder Special Prosecutoe Michael Kane sought an injunction against Lou Smit and his evidence) the Grand Jury still heard evidence dominated by the Police view of Ramsey guilt.
Former Public Defender Greg Walta in 1998:
"I think the case is in deep trouble. And I think it's in deep trouble because the Boulder Police Dept. has really staked its reputation on the Ramseys being guilty. and once that's happened, that Police Dept. can no longer perform its' chief function. And I think the Boulder PD is virtually incapable of solving this case."
And he was right. Here we are 20 yrs later. Case has been unsolved and virtually frozen. And 20 yrs later, Walta states that JonBenet's killer is one of the "scariest people on earth." Totally convinced of Ramsey innocence.
As is one of the first Detectives on the scene, Robert Whitson. He also believes the family is innocent. He WAS IN THE HOUSE with the family the morning of the 26th.
"I was not part of the ongoing investigation, but Detectives that were working the case told me the Ramseys were the ONLY prime suspects." Imagine that[Image: 1f644.png]?
He is now a Criminologist and says he understands now why the Boulder PD focused on the Ramsey's....which they most certainly did, despite what misinformation you hear on these boards. "The Boulder PD formed a Groupthink mentality. Everybody has to think the same thing and anybody who disagrees with that primary hypothesis is excluded from the group."
But what happened in Boulder happens in many cases. A rush to judgment...to blame the parents. There is leaking of information, a public sentiment that the parents must have had something to do with it.
John Ramsey says it best: "We absolutely felt we were the victim of a lynch mob, led by the Boulder Police and supported by the media." (and further strengthened by an often harsh and judgmental public).

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  responding to thetalko.com article
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-30-2018, 04:33 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (16)

16 Things The Ramsey's Don't Want You To Know About JonBenet's Murder

In this article, we’ll take you to the fifteen eeriest things the Ramsey’s don’t want you to know about this age old homicide.

The murder of six-year-old blonde beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey has been the fixation of macabre fascination since the case broke in 1996. You can’t write stuff like this, the day after Christmas in a mansion in Boulder, Colorado there lay little JonBenet Ramsey bludgeoned and strangled under a white sheet in her basement. The case was a media frenzy from the day it broke, however, nearly 21 years later the case remains cold with no signs of heating up. The police had several suspects over the years, including a creepy Santa Clause and a teacher named John Mark Carr who confessed he was there when JonBenet died. However salacious these claims may be, the police never found evidence that could link any suspects definitively to the little girl’s untimely death. However, John, Patsy and Burke Ramsey remained under a cloud of suspicion for the alleged involvement in their daughter and sister’s murder. In this article, we’ll take you to the fifteen eeriest things the Ramsey’s don’t want you to know about this age old homicide.


####################  My comments

I will forgive the author not taking the time to correctly print "JonBenét", but she should have been able to correctly spell Santa Claus and John Mark KARR.

I am going to respond to each point  - one at a time.  Eerie?  Not sure that is a proper description of the "things" - - but the Ramseys have never tried to hide any facts related to this murder.  They always hoped for the facts to be known in order to SOLVE this mystery.

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  Doc Miller link to Pete Peterson
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-29-2018, 11:11 PM - Forum: Judith Phillips - Replies (1)

Thomas C. MILLER and R.W. Peterson, Plaintiffs-Appellants,
v.
James R. COLLIER;  Detective William Phillips;  and the City
and County of Denver, Defendants-Appellees.
No. 92CA2030.

Colorado Court of Appeals, Div. I.
June 16, 1994.

Theodore A. Borrillo, Doris A. Waters, Denver, for
plaintiffs-appellants.

Daniel E. Muse, City Atty., James C. Thomas, Asst. City Atty.,
Denver, for defendants-appellees.

David B. Kopel, Golden, Robert Dowlut, Washington, DC, for
amicus curiae The Firearms Civ. Rights Legal Defense Fund.

Opinion by Judge KAPELKE.
In this action against defendants, the City and County of Denver and two of its police officials, to recover damages under 42 U.S.C. section 1983 (1988) and for relief in the nature of
certiorari review and mandamus under C.R.C.P. 106, plaintiffs, Thomas C. Miller and R.W. Peterson, appeal from the judgment of the trial court dismissing their complaint with prejudice.  We reverse and remand for further proceedings.

In their complaint, plaintiffs allege that they are private investigators who need to carry concealed weapons in order to protect themselves and others during the course of their work. They further allege that they have applied unsuccessfully to the Denver Police Department and Chief of Police for permits to carry such weapons.
In addition, they allege that Miller applied for a permit in July 1991 and that defendants denied his application in June 1992, on the ground that he had no “compelling need” to carry a concealed weapon.  Defendants informed Miller that he could reapply, but when he requested an application he was advised that the Denver Police Department was no longer providing applications for concealed weapons permits.
Peterson, who had held a concealed weapons permit for approximately eighteen years, applied for a renewal of his permit in March 1992.  Defendants allegedly denied his application without an explanation.

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  Questions for the authorsListen Carefully: Truth and Evidence in the JonBenet Ramsey
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-23-2018, 07:33 PM - Forum: Listen Carefully: Truth and Evidence in the JonBenet Ramsey Case - No Replies

They have a Facebook page.  I used to be on Facebook but no more due to complaints by BORG who couldn't debate the case but COULD organize a flurry of complaints about me and my posts.  So I am not there but want to address a post by the authors of this book.  Fiest their post, then my questions (which I am sure they will not attempt to answer.

First their post:

Listen Carefully: Truth and Evidence in the JonBenet Ramsey Case


 Thank you for your comment. In regards to a robber theory, there was nothing missing and absolutely no evidence of an intruder. In addition, why would robbers not just leave her where they knocked her out? Why would they have gone to trouble to take JonBenet to a basement they would not have known about and difficult to find? In the event they had found the basement, why would they have not left her in the first room they found there? Why take JonBenet to a room that was at the very back of a maze-like basement? Why then strangle her with a home-made ligature, even if it were just part of the staging to make it look like there was an intruder? Why would robbers wipe down JonBenet's body, change her clothes, wrap her in her favorite blanket "like a papoose" as her father said, tie her wrists together loosely with a cord and put a short piece of reused tape over her already dead mouth? Why stay in the house for an absolute minimum of another 30-45 minutes writing a 2 1/2 page ransom letter, increasing chances of being caught when the original intent was robbery? The only reason the ransom "note" was written was to explain JonBenet's dead body that would be found in the basement. Without that, and without Patsy's 911 call that said before she said anything else "we have a kidnapping" (not "my daughter is missing"), the Ramseys would have been arrested on the spot! They had to sell a kidnapping to be able to get out of the house and behind their wall of lawyers and public relations team who were hired immediately. The Child Abduction and Serial Killer Unit of the FBI told the BPD the crime scene was staged, the ransom note was fake and to look at the family. There was no intruder or intruders. However, there was a huge miscarriage of justice because in America, if you are wealthy and well-connected, you can buy your freedom. If John Ramsey had been a truck-driver who lived on the edge of Bouder in a trailer, we wouldn't be having this conversation. We appreciate your interest in this case. Please let us know if we can answer any further questions.

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  Questions for the authorsListen Carefully: Truth and Evidence in the JonBenet Ramsey
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-23-2018, 07:12 PM - Forum: Listen Carefully: Truth and Evidence in the JonBenet Ramsey Case - Replies (1)

They have a Facebook page.  I used to be on Facebook but no more due to complaints by BORG who couldn't debate the case but COULD organize a flurry of complaints about me and my posts.  So I am not there but want to address a post by the authors of this book.  Fiest their post, then my questions (which I am sure they will not attempt to answer.

First their post:

Listen Carefully: Truth and Evidence in the JonBenet Ramsey Case


 Thank you for your comment. In regards to a robber theory, there was nothing missing and absolutely no evidence of an intruder. In addition, why would robbers not just leave her where they knocked her out? Why would they have gone to trouble to take JonBenet to a basement they would not have known about and difficult to find? In the event they had found the basement, why would they have not left her in the first room they found there? Why take JonBenet to a room that was at the very back of a maze-like basement? Why then strangle her with a home-made ligature, even if it were just part of the staging to make it look like there was an intruder? Why would robbers wipe down JonBenet's body, change her clothes, wrap her in her favorite blanket "like a papoose" as her father said, tie her wrists together loosely with a cord and put a short piece of reused tape over her already dead mouth? Why stay in the house for an absolute minimum of another 30-45 minutes writing a 2 1/2 page ransom letter, increasing chances of being caught when the original intent was robbery? The only reason the ransom "note" was written was to explain JonBenet's dead body that would be found in the basement. Without that, and without Patsy's 911 call that said before she said anything else "we have a kidnapping" (not "my daughter is missing"), the Ramseys would have been arrested on the spot! They had to sell a kidnapping to be able to get out of the house and behind their wall of lawyers and public relations team who were hired immediately. The Child Abduction and Serial Killer Unit of the FBI told the BPD the crime scene was staged, the ransom note was fake and to look at the family. There was no intruder or intruders. However, there was a huge miscarriage of justice because in America, if you are wealthy and well-connected, you can buy your freedom. If John Ramsey had been a truck-driver who lived on the edge of Bouder in a trailer, we wouldn't be having this conversation. We appreciate your interest in this case. Please let us know if we can answer any further questions.

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  ?? Supposed Ramsey story
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-23-2018, 06:50 PM - Forum: 45 Pounds of Flesh - Replies (2)

45 Pounds of Flesh
Book by Sans Emmert

Amazon
 
Might this coming of age tale of obsessive love reveal the motive behind the Jonbenet Ramsey murder? Damon was born of rape; a bastard whose adoptive father hanged himself after learning he’d been duped. The solace Damon later finds in murder-mystery movies inspires him to write his own, molding anti-heroes into real heroes. When Damon meets aspiring actress Kammy it's true love. Despite his promises to make her a star in his imagined screenplay, she remains aloof: Mature millionaire J.R. has already promised her a simpler path from Shreveport to glamour—once he's left his beauty queen wife. However, an unexpected pregnancy changes everything, and soon Damon and Kammy are ready to live their shared dream: Damon will work construction and write by night, while Kammy fills out acting-school applications. But the dream is shattered when Damon's new family vanishes without a trace, leaving him wracked and suicidal. That is until a blockbuster movie inspires him to write the script of a lifetime... Inspired by actual events, 45 Pounds of Flesh is the whydunit that might finally illuminate the most psychologically complex cold-case mystery of our time.
Author: Sans Emmert

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  Court dates
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-23-2018, 02:18 PM - Forum: John Ramsey sues CBS - No Replies

Ramsey, John v CBS Corporation , et al.

Register of Actions

Case No. 17-013731-CZ

02/04/2019
Case Evaluation - General Civil

03/20/2019
Settlement Conference (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Groner, David A.)


08/02/2018
Reset by Court to 03/20/2019

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  Announcing the wedding
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-21-2018, 08:28 PM - Forum: Jan Ramsey - Replies (1)

Happiness at last for father of tragic beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey as he remarries to a Las Vegas fashion designer
By Daily Mail Reporter
Updated: 12:32 EDT, 27 July 2011


[url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2019351/Happiness-father-tragic-beauty-queen-JonBenet-Ramsey-remarries-Las-Vegas-fashion-designer.html#comments][/url]


More than 15 years ago, the body of child beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey was found in the basement of her family's Boulder, Colorado home.
Now, it seems the father of the girl dubbed Little Miss Sunshine has finally found happiness after the heartbreaking loss of his daughter and his late wife, Patsy.
John Ramsey, 67, married fashion designer Jan Rousseaux, 53, at a private ceremony in Charlevoix, Michigan on July 21.

[Image: article-2019351-0D2FE50A00000578-223_468x318.jpg] 
 John Ramsey ® with late wife Patsy, holds up a picture of their daughter, JonBenet, during a news conference in Atlanta, Georgia on May 24, 2000
The wedding came five years after the death of his beloved wife Patsy from ovarian cancer in 2006, aged 49. Mr Ramsey also lost his 22-year-old daughter, Elizabeth, in a 1992 car accident.

In an interview with the National Enquirer, Mr Ramsey spoke about his fresh start.

He admitted he had a brief affair with Beth Twitty - the mother of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teen who vanished in Aruba in 2005. The relationship, he said, ended four years ago.
He then met Ms Rousseaux, a fashion designer who costumes stars for the stage in Las Vegas and Branson, Missouri, at a Denver wedding in 2009 - and they struck up a friendship.

[Image: article-2019351-0D2FE49B00000578-521_468x351.jpg]
"Newlywed: Fashion designer Jan Rousseaux, who married John Ramsey earlier this month" 
Ms Rousseaux, who is divorced with two adult children, said it wasn't until the following June that she texted Mr Ramsey that she was thinking of him, and a relationship blossomed.
'Immediately he asked if he could come to see me, just as friends,' she said.
Soon, the couple began dating long distance.
'John made the seven-hour journey from Moab (Utah) to Vegas to see me every weekend after that. He never complained. It certainly got my attention, and that's how the relationship blossomed,' Ms Rousseaux said.
Last Valentine's Day, he proposed at a resort in Vero Beach, Florida.
[Image: article-2019351-0D2FE66200000578-556_233x520.jpg]
Innocent: Child beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey
'It was over breakfast. I told her I had something for her and then presented her with a single diamond ring,' he said.
The wedding was held in Charlevoix, at Castle Fams, where 70 guests including Mr Ramsey's other adult children were present.
It was in that same city JonBenet won the Little Miss Charlevoix crown in 1994.
He said of JonBenet - who would have turned 21 on August 6: 'Never a day goes by when I don't think about her. The saddest part is that her future was lost. We believe she is in a better place, and it is left to us to grieve for her. But I have no doubt she will be smiling.'
Mr Ramsey said his late wife, Patsy, would give her blessing.
Mr Ramsey and his late wife wrote about the death of their daughter, JonBenet, in the book The Death of Innocence, and Mr Ramsey, who owned a computer software company, became a motivational speaker. He has run twice, unsuccessfully, for public office in Charlevoix.
He is currently completing another book set for release next year, entitled: The Other Side of Suffering: The Father of JonBenet Ramsey Tells the Story of His Journey from Grief to Grace.
Fifteen years after JonBenet was found dead in the family cellar, however, the riddle of her death remains unsolved.

[Image: article-2019351-0D2FE53D00000578-282_468x564.jpg] 
A fresh start: John Ramsey, 67, struck up a friendship with Ms Rousseaux at a mutual friend's wedding in 2009; last year they began dating long distance
The six-year-old had been sexually assaulted, and her bound and gagged body was discovered in the Boulder house on Boxing Day, 1996.
The media coverage of JonBenet's death often focused on her participation in child beauty pageants and her parents' affluence, as well as questions regarding police handling of the case.
According to the evidence of mother, Patricia, she discovered her daughter was missing after finding a two-and-a-half-page ransom note on the kitchen staircase demanding $118,000 for her safe return - a figure that was almost the exact value of a bonus her husband had received earlier that year.
Despite specific instructions in the ransom note that police and friends not be contacted, she telephoned the police and called family and friends.

[Image: article-2019351-0D2FE64F00000578-559_468x467.jpg] 
Always remembered: JonBenet - who would have turned 21 on August 6. 'I have no doubt she will be smiling,' Mr Ramsey said
The local police conducted a cursory search of the house but did not find any obvious signs of a break-in or forced entry. The note suggested that the ransom collection would be monitored and JonBenet would be returned as soon as the money was obtained.
Mr Ramsey made arrangements for the ransom, which a friend picked up that morning from a local bank.
That afternoon Boulder Police Detective Linda Arndt asked Fleet White, a friend of the Ramseys, to take Mr Ramsey and another friend and search the house for 'anything unusual'.
Mr Ramsey and his friends started their search in the basement and, after first searching the bathroom and another room, the three of them went to a wine cellar room where Mr Ramsey found his daughter's body covered in her special white blanket.

[Image: article-2019351-0D3008EF00000578-807_468x295.jpg] 
Fairytale: The wedding was held in Charlevoix, at Castle Fams, where 70 guests, including Mr Ramsey's other adult children, were present
She was also found with a nylon cord around her neck, her wrists tied above her head, and duct tape covering her mouth.
Investigators were immediately suspicious that the girl’s body was found in her own home in Boulder, Colorado, and said the parents were under an ‘umbrella of suspicion’.
[Image: article-2019351-053526EA0000044D-772_233x423.jpg] 
JonBenet with her parents, stepsister Melinda, stepbrother John and brother Burke. The three surviving grown children attended the recent wedding
Police initially worked on the theory that Mrs Ramsey had killed her daughter in a fit of rage after she wet her bed and that her husband – who as a former naval officer would have been able to tie the complicated knot around the girl’s neck – helped cover up the crime. Investigators suspected Mrs Ramsey had written the ransom note.
Another theory speculated that Mr Ramsey, a wealthy businessman, had murdered the girl to cover up sexual abuse. Despite his age, Burke also came under suspicion.
Mrs Ramsey said he had been asleep when she found the ransom note but there were reports that his voice could be heard in the background when his mother rang police.
Boulder police gave up the case in 2002, in part because of accusations that they had bungled the investigation by ruining evidence and concentrating solely on the Ramseys as suspects.
In 2008 - two years after Mrs Ramsey’s death from cancer - the Boulder County district attorney told the Ramseys they had been exonerated by the discovery of DNA traces of an unidentified male on the pyjamas worn by JonBenet on the night she died.
Prosecutors said the DNA was not from the Ramsey family and was almost definitely that of the killer

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  from interviews
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-21-2018, 08:09 PM - Forum: Ramsey holiday plans 1996 - No Replies

1998 Interview with Patsy
2 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you remember what
3 carrier?
4 PATSY RAMSEY: No. I think we
5 called Disney at a number you call, and they do
6 some sort of package thing, they put it
7 together, so I don't know, Delta, United or --
8 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay.

1998 interview with JR
12 MIKE KANE: Who made those arrangements?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy made the reservations?
14 MIKE KANE: Was it through the travel agent?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: The travel agent. Actually
16 I think I remember calling Walt Disney directly. I
17 think I might have gotten the number out of a
18 magazine or something. Because I think I remember
19 joining the Disney or somebody like that directly.
~snip~
24 MIKE KANE: So you would fly back in the
25 day before, fly out, I think you said TWA?
0238
1 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.
2 MIKE KANE: And you're leaving on the boat
3 that day or did you fly down and then you would
4 leave the next day?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I think we were doing
6 this boom, boom, boom. Then we were going to be on
7 the boat that night.
8 MIKE KANE: And how long a trip was that
9 going to be?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: It was maybe four days. It
11 was over through New Year's Eve. I don't know if
12 we were came back New Year's day or the next day,
13 but it was a four-day trip.



Interview with Patsy 1997 regarding the Charlevoix trip
ST: And was everybody on this same page about going to Charlevoix as far as uh, willing and wanting to go. There was no dissention in the ranks that, I don’t want to go or she doesn’t want to go. Everybody was looking forward to this trip?
PR: Well, I mean, we were. I wasn’t real crazy about going cause I just thought it was cramming a lot of stuff in there, you know, I told John I didn’t really want to go. I’d rather, cause, Christmas, going to Charlevoix, then going to, it just seemed like a lot, you know, but then we decided as a family to go and, you know, been looking forward to it.


Interview with JR 1998 about Charlevoix
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Well the plan was to leave
3 the morning of the 26th. I had an airplane at the
4 time that was on charter through a charter company
5 run by Mike Archuleta, who is also a friend;
6 became a friend. Mike was going to fly us that
7 morning of the 26th from Jeffco to Minneapolis. We
8 were going to get into Minneapolis before 11 and
9 my older kids were going to arrive from Atlanta.
10 From Atlanta to Minneapolis we were going to pick
11 them up and then go on to Charlevoix.
12 And we did it that way because Charlevoix was a
13 difficult place to get to with airlines. And we
14 were flying from Jeffco to Charlevoix, you fly
15 literally almost fly over Minneapolis. So that
16 would be real easy for us to stop in Minneapolis
17 and pick them up. And they had really inexpensive
18 tickets to get there on the airlines. So that was
19 the plan.
20 They we were going to stay there for I think it
21 was till Friday. I forget what day the 26th was.
22 (INAUDIBLE) but we were going to stay for a couple
23 days and come back to Boulder around Friday. Then
24 I think the next morning on Saturday, we were
25 going to leave for this Big Red Boat trip with
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1 just JonBenet, Burke and Patsy and me. And that
2 was a package deal. We had tickets on TWA and that
3 was all kind of pretty pre-laid out for us.

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