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  Henry Lee in CBS Borgumentary
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-21-2017, 08:32 PM - Forum: Paintbrush - Replies (2)

Henry Lee, in the CBS Borgumentary,  

On another site, the modereator noted that Lee " basically dismissed the piece of wood by strongly suggesting that it found its way into her vagina due to a secondary transfer. Henry Lee stated that the secondary transfer could have occurred when JonBenét’s body was moved repeatedly or when a blanket was put on her (paragraph #535). "


My response - - JonBenet's long johns were pulled up when she was found, were onher when she was carried up to the front hall by her father and moved by Detective Arndt.  She remained dressed while the blanket was put on her and while she was touched by her mother and the other people who were there that morning.  She was not undressed at all the whole time she was in the house and was undressed only after she was carried into the autopsy room.

The activity around her would not have caused any secondary transfer that would put ANYTHING in her vagina!

It is this kind of misrepresentation of evidence that makes me wonder just what Henry Lee actually said.  To me, they could have taped him for 12 hours and cut and pasted the show so it would appear he "said" things - or agreed to things, when he really did not.

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  Birefringent material
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-21-2017, 02:40 PM - Forum: Paintbrush - No Replies

From the autopsy:

Vaginal Mucosa: 
A small number of red blood cells is present on the eroded surface, as is birefringent foreign material.  



The small piece of birefringent material was cellulose and came from the broken paintbrush.

The paintbrush was broken into three pieces.  The tip that was never found, I think it was too small to be used in any sexual assault.  The other end, with the brush, was left in the tray and we have no reason to think that was used to sexually assault her.  If it had blood on it, I think the police would have noted that.

Then there is the centerpiece with no report of blood on it.  I feel sure it was used in the garrote right after the paintbrush was broken.

So how did a bit of the paintbrush end up in the victim's vagina?  I believe the killer broke the paintbrush and when he did, the tiniest piece of cellulose stuck to his hand and was inadvertently carried to her vagina during the sexual assault.

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  Making the garrote
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-21-2017, 01:54 PM - Forum: Paintbrush - Replies (4)

There are certain items used in this murder which could not be linked to the Ramseys, no evidence they bought those items and no matching items in the house.  Two of those items are the black duct tape that was found on her face and the cord that was found on her neck and wrists.

To repeat, the cord used in the garrote matched nothing found in the house and the tape didn't either.  For more information, look at the thread on the garotte and cord.

This thread will just deal with the paintbrush that was used to make the handle for that garrote.

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  Garrote vs Boy Scout knot
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 05-20-2017, 08:16 PM - Forum: Cord ligature - Garrote - No Replies

I wanted to take a moment to clear some things up...

Some people believe that JonBenet was NOT strangled by a Garrote but a boy scout knot.

They say since Burke was in boyscouts he knew how to make a boy scout knot to strangle JonBenet.

That is simply NOT true.
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This is the definition of a garrote:

gar·rote
ɡəˈrät,ɡəˈrōt/
verb
verb: garrotte; 3rd person present: garrottes; past tense: garrotted; past participle: garrotted; gerund or present participle: garrotting; verb: garrote; 3rd person present: garrotes; past tense: garroted; past participle: garroted; gerund or present participle: garroting; verb: garotte; 3rd person present: garottes; past tense: garotted; past participle: garotted; gerund or present participle: garotting

  1. 1.
    kill (someone) by strangulation, typically with an iron collar or a length of wire or cord.
    "he had been garroted with piano wire"


noun
noun: garrotte; plural noun: garrottes; noun: garrote; plural noun: garrotes; noun: garotte; plural noun: garottes

  1. 1.
    a wire, cord, or apparatus used to strangle someone.

Per PMPT:

PMPT, paperback, p.661:

Next the police presented the facts about the noose--also called a garrote by some--the rope, the type of knot, and the broken paintbrush attached to the rope that was used to strangle JonBenet. The knot on the stick and the knot on the wrist were different. The one on the wrist ligature was a "capsized square knot." The rope had been pulled through a knot and acted as a noose rather than a true garrote. The point where the rope became a noose was at the back of the neck, which suggested to some that JonBenet was lying facedown when the ligature was tied. That seemed to be consistent with the bruises on the front of her face that the coroner had noted in the autopsy.

The police did not say whether the garroting had occurred before, during, or after the blow to the child's head. The coroner himself wasn't sure.... He had said...that death had been caused by the noose in association with a blunt cranial trauma. ...a reasonable person listening to the presentation could conclude that the blow to the head had probably come first.


Found this online:

Furthermore, the garrote knot use to bind and asphyxiate JonBenét is highly complex knot, usually only used by someone who has had specific martial arts or military training (or an interest in sexual bondage). At aged nine, it is unlikely that he would have mastered cub scout knots, never mind intricate knots such as this. That is, of course, if we discount an adult’s involvement in this aspect of the crime.


In reference to the crime scene of the garrote, Lou Smit says:

The person who killed JonBenet,....He did build a specialized garrotte to kill her." (Smit)

"According to Smit, the garrote used to strangle JonBenet was very intricate in its design, a tool he believes was used for murder and for pleasure."

Long before this, John Ramsey had stated:

"And this garrote will be a clue. This was not an amateur device. This was a professional strangling tool."

These are just three of the instances of hundreds of times that John Ramsey, Lou Smit, and others have claimed as "evidence" alleged intruder expertise in the construction and use of a garrote. Adjectives such as "intricate," "specialized", "sophisticated" and "professional" are often used.



THE GARROTE


Smit's argument: The use of a garrote --
constructed precisely and expertly by
someone who knew what he was doing --
says that the killer was a "sexual sadist."
Evidence indicates the garrote was made in
the basement, strongly suggesting the killing
happened there.


Unlikely weapon: Smit says he and
others who have studied the issue know of
no other case "in the annals of crime"
where a parent garroted his or her own
child.


Knowledge needed: The knot-tying of
the garrote used on JonBenet shows
special knowledge. The paintbrush was
broken to create a perfect handle. "It
almost looks like a lawnmower starting
(handle). . . . Somebody really knew what
they were doing when they did it and
somebody has done this before."


Made on site: The garrote's handle
comes from the middle piece of a
paintbrush broken in threes. On JonBenet's
chin was a green paint strip and a fiber
from the carpet outside the wine cellar.
The green strip came from contents of a
paint tray just outside the wine cellar.
Strands of JonBenet's hair were caught in
the nylon cord, showing the garrote was
wound and tied near the back of her neck.
"This garrote was constructed right there
on the neck of JonBenet when she was
lying there."


Doesn't fit parents: Smit can't conceive
of a parent who just killed a child
constructing such an elaborate sexual
device on the spot. "Try it," he said. "I can't
make one. Handle on one end, slipknot on the other end." The crime
could have been staged simply by pulling cord around JonBenet's neck.
"Why make this device? Why would you have to go through all of the
problems to do it?"

Response: Police have had at least one expert examine the knots used
in the garrote, but the News was unable to locate previous police
comment on the knots.





[Image: garrote2.jpg]

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Boy scout knots:


[Image: knots1.jpg]

LOOKS NOTHING LIKE THE KNOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  NOT JUST JONBENÉT: 5 OTHER CASES THAT HAD OFFICIALS ASKING “INTRUDER OR INSIDER”?
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 05-20-2017, 07:52 PM - Forum: OTHER children taken from their beds - Replies (1)


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It’s been 20 years since six-year-old JonBenét Ramsey was found murdered in her basement, a mysterious ransom note left on the stairs. Public opinion has long been split on whether her wealthy, privileged family were involved in her death and perhaps staged a crime scene to cover it up, or whether the grisly murder was the work of an intruder.

These theories have been revisited for the anniversary of the still-unsolved case. Investigation Discovery aired JonBenét Ramsey: An American Murder Mystery, which featured an exclusive interview with a suspect who had at one time confessed to the crime, and A&E aired a documentary that seemed to favor the intruder theory. Experts convened for a CBS series claimed that the evidence pointed to Ramsey’s nine-year-old brother Burke having committed the crime, with the parents covering it up in order to protect their surviving child.

At this point, it’s possible that the JonBenét Ramsey case will never be solved. But there have been similar cases throughout history where children have gone missing or been found dead, and investigators had to determine whether the crime was the act of an intruder or an insider, most often a family member.

  1. Charles Lindbergh, Jr. 

[Image: Lindbergh_baby_poster.jpg]In what has often been called “the crime of the century,” Charles Lindbergh, Jr., infant son of superstar aviator Charles Lindbergh, was kidnapped from his home on March 1, 1932. After putting the baby to bed with a cold, the baby’s nurse discovered him missing from his bed a few hours later. There was a lifted window, and a strange envelope on the sill, containing a ransom note.

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Charles Lindbergh Jr. [New Jersey State Police]
There would be additional ransom notes demanding more money until the baby’s body was eventually found more than two months after his disappearance. Police were able to trace $14,000 of the ransom money to the home of a German-born carpenter, Bruno Richard Hauptmann. Hauptmann would later be convicted and eventually executed for the crime, but there were appeals up until the last minute protesting his innocence.

Most recently, Lloyd C. Gardner, a history professor at Rutgers University, has written an afterword to his book on the Lindbergh kidnapping suggesting that perhaps the famous father was involved. Lindbergh uncharacteristically missed a speaking engagement to be home that night, and would later take over many aspects of the investigation, controlling the flow of information. Gardner also cites evidence that Lindbergh believed in Social Darwinism and eugenics, and may have been distressed by his sickly son — the infant had rickets, hammertoes, and unfused skull bones, among other maladies. The history on this case has largely been written, with Hauptmann as the sole kidnapper, but certainly there remain questions as to what happened that cold night in 1932.

  1. Sabrina Aisenberg

In the early morning of November 24, 1997, Marlene Aisenberg reported waking up to find the laundry-room door to the garage open, and then discovered her five-month-old baby Sabrina was missing from her crib. In a case that mirrored that of JonBenét Ramsey less than a year earlier, the parents gave an impassioned plea for help on local news, and immediately public opinion and investigators began to focus on the Aisenbergs themselves as possible suspects.
Adding to the mysterious case were allegations that the photograph used in many of the missing-child posters was actually of the Aisenbergs’s older daughter as an infant. The Aisenbergs were eventually indicted on conspiracy and additional charges, which were later dropped when a judge ruled that incriminating recordings of the Aisenbergs discussing the case had been obtained illegally.
Although an informant reported that a cellmate confessed to chopping up and dumping the baby’s body in crab traps in the nearby Tampa Bay, that claim has never been substantiated, and the fate of baby Aisenberg is still unknown.

  1. Lisa Irwin

On October 3, 2011, Lisa Irwin’s parents last checked on her around 6:40 P.M. Sometime after that, she simply vanished from her crib in Kansas City.




The family’s three cell phones had also been taken, but the front door was unlocked and there was no other sign of an intruder. Since stranger abductions are rare, and abductions of babies from their homes even rarer, the investigation originally focused on the parents. However, Irwin’s mother passed a lie-detector test, and there were witness tips about possible suspects, including reports of a man with an “under-dressed baby” in the neighborhood the night Irwin went missing, as well as the discovery of burnt baby clothes inside a dumpster.
As of today, the Irwin disappearance has never been solved. There remains a $100,000 reward for her return — if you have any information, please call the TIPS Hotline at (816) 474-TIPS.

  1. DeOrr Kunz, Jr.

A 2015 summer camping trip in the Idaho mountains went awry when two-year-old DeOrr Kunz vanished from his chair, where he’d been while his parents looked for nearby places to fish. A massive search effort followed, including all-terrain vehicles and hundreds of volunteers, but no trace of the little boy was ever found.[Image: kunz-cover-a-435-225x300.jpg]
Kunz’s parents and the two other adults who were on the trip are still considered persons of interest in the case, and investigators have said that there are inconsistencies in their timelines and statements. However, no physical evidence has been found to indicate foul play, and the parents maintain that their son may have been kidnapped by individuals living off-the-grid in the woods. Forest officials say it would be difficult for anyone to live in the forest, due to weather conditions, and that there is also no evidence of any animal attack.

  1. Madeline McCann

When three-year-old Madeline McCann was reported missing from her family’s Portugal holiday apartment on May 3, 2007, what resulted has been called the “biggest missing persons investigation for decades.” She had been sleeping in the room with her younger siblings while their parents had dinner with friends, and Gerry McCann reported that she was in her bed when he did a routine check-in at 9:05 P.M. By 10:00 P.M., when Kate McCann was conducting her check-in, Madeline was gone.
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Police e-fits of the mysterious suspect
Because the holiday apartment was not initially treated as a crime scene, multiple people were in and out, and potentially crucial evidence was compromised. Over the years, there have been tips about possible sightings of men carrying children that matched Madeline’s description – police have released e-fits of one such man and still consider him a suspect, while another was cleared as another holidaying father with his own child.

Suspicion has largely centered around the McCanns due to what was seen as their lax care of their children while on holiday, but they were cleared by investigators in 2008. The current theory – after police have investigated at least 60 persons of interest – is that Madeline may have been kidnapped or killed during a botched burglary. The case remains open, but investigators have said that forensic evidence has yielded no clear leads and there are no plans to conduct any further testing. The McCanns continue to hold out hope that their daugther is alive. 

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  Boulder police take back Ramsey case 2009
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 05-20-2017, 06:15 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - No Replies

Boulder police take back Ramsey case
Vanessa Miller
POSTED:   02/02/2009 10:56:00 AM MST




BOULDER, Colo. -
With criticism mounting over their handling of JonBenet Ramsey's 1996 slaying, Boulder police handed the investigation over to the District Attorney's Office six years ago. On Monday, the police department welcomed it back.
With the support of newly elected Boulder County District Attorney Stan Garnett, Police Chief Mark Beckner said his agency is reactivating its Ramsey investigation and again taking the lead in efforts to solve the city's most infamous cold case.
As part of the change, Beckner said, his department has invited veteran investigators from several state and federal agencies to participate in an "advisory task force.â


The group, which will include about 20 people, will meet for a two-day "powwow sometime in the next few weeks to review all the evidence. The goal of the task force, Beckner said, is to "explore all possible theories about what happened the night JonBenet was killed.â


Beckner didn't directly address a letter that former District Attorney Mary Lacy sent in July to the Ramsey family exonerating them as suspects in their daughter's death. He said he wants to go into the talks with no presumptions.
"We are open to all possibilities,â he said.


The 6-year-old beauty queen was found dead Dec. 26, 1996, in the family's Boulder home, 755 15th St. Police said then that her parents were under an "umbrella of suspicion,â but a grand jury ended an investigation into the case with no indictments. JonBenet's mother, Patsy Ramsey, died in 2006.

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Lacy apologized to the family last year, saying evidence points to an intruder as the killer.
Beckner said he began thinking about taking over the investigation last summer when Lacy sent her apology letter, and he met with Garnett about that prospect.


"We were on the same page right away,

 Beckner said.
Boulder police gave up the case in 2002, in part because of criticism that they bungled the initial investigation by ruining evidence and focusing solely on the Ramseys as suspects. Beckner said he was "OKâ with that change at the time, "if people felt it was better off with the District Attorney's Office.


Now that time has passed, Beckner said, his department is ready to pick up where it left off.
Lacy said Monday that she supports moving the case back to Boulder police. She said Garnett doesn't have time to review 30,000 pages of investigative materials, and police "really are the ones with the knowledge and the background.â
"Reinventing the wheel would be crazy,â she said. "It would have taken Stan a year or two and wasted a lot of resources.â
Garnett said police should lead the investigation because "district attorneys prosecute, and police investigate.â
He will, however, be on the new Ramsey task force, which also will include representatives from the FBI, Colorado Bureau of Investigation and Colorado Attorney General's Office.
John Ramsey's attorney, L. Lin Wood, of Atlanta, said he and his client are optimistic about the change.
"The goal is to solve the murder,â he said.
A letter police sent Ramsey on Monday asked for any information he was willing to provide, Wood said.
"I expect that sometime in the future they would speak with each other,â he said, adding that he hopes police investigators can leave behind any bias they once had.
"Old habits are hard to break,â he said. "My only concern is that this be a fresh look.â
Trip DeMuth, a former Boulder prosecutor who worked on the Ramsey case, said he doesn't believe Beckner can handle the case without prejudice, and it is "less likely to be solvedâ unless the department approaches it without baggage.
Larry Pozner, a Denver defense attorney who's been critical of the handling of the case, said he doesn't expect new leads or suspects to come from the task force or future police work.
"This case is badly damaged,â Pozner said, "and there's nothing they can do to correct the impression of their bias or the evidence that was lost.â
But Chief Beckner said he's hopeful that a new look and advancing technology will shed new light.
"Some cases never get solved, but some do,â he said. "And you can't give up.â

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  JonBenet committed suicide
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 05-19-2017, 05:56 PM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - No Replies

Just read that someone honestly thinks JonBenet committed suicide.  Whoever thinks that...  Please get yourself a psych evaluation asap!!!  Dumb dumb and dumb!


http://m.topix.com/forum/news/jonbenet-r...NV5J9KPASL

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  Lou Smit's quote
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-19-2017, 02:39 PM - Forum: How to solve this mystery - Replies (1)

"You don't catch crooks by standing back but by walking up to the edge of the cliff and looking down into the pit.  A lot of cops don't want to do this, but prefer to play it safe and never take a risk or get close to criminals or suspects.  I'm just the opposite.  I like to get as close as I can.  I've always walked right to the edge because you can see much more from there, can feel and sense more."



Quote found in the 2016 Stephen Singular book.

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  Found elsewhere - never one thing verified
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-16-2017, 03:42 PM - Forum: Boulder crimes - Replies (3)


PROPWASH
Published by Propwash Press

Boulder-Denver
August 25, 1998
KOBY, HUNTER, RAMSEYS NAMED IN CHILD-PORN RING, BLACKMAIL PLOT

Boulder Citizens Demand Independent Prosecutor Propwash Wire Service

By Veritas Jones

BOULDER-Sources inside the Boulder city government confirmed today that both former police chief Tom Koby and boulder County District Attorney have been named as possible conspirators in a child-pornography ring which may have led to the December 1996 murder of JonBenet Ramsey.

A potential witness in the case revealed to Propwash that investigators with a state agency suspect the crime may have been perpetrated as a cover-up or act of vengeance involving a plot to blackmail one or more participants in a child-pornography distribution ring. Photographs of six-year-old JonBenet Ramsey performing sexual acts with adult males are alleged to have been circulated on the internet and in print-publications.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, our source claims a member of the inner circle of Ramsey friends and confidants had threatened to expose some of their criminal activities and was subsequently threatened with black-mail by the others. John and Patsy Ramsey are know to have socialized in an elite clique of wealthy business and government leaders including the District Attorney himself, the former mayor Leslie Durgin, and other Boulder figures such as the notorious Pasta Jay.

Sourceds told Propwash that persistant foot-dragging by police investigators and obstruction by the District Attorney's office have long been rumored to be attempts at concealing complicity in the murder or coverup. The delaying tactics pursued by the offices of Koby and Hunter have been widely criticized and publicized culminating on August 5th in the resignation of a primary detective in the case, Steve Thomas, and publication of this letter to Colorado Governor Roy Romer, in which he claimed the DA's office has hindered and delayed the investigation. Thomas' letter accused Hunter of "crippling the case" by ignoring evidence, refusing police requests for search warrants, and sharing information on the case with the Ramsey's and their lawyers. Romer announced in a press conference his intention not to appoint an independent prosecutor after being assured by Hunter of his intention to convene a grand jury to re-examine the evidence in the the case.

Wednesday, Fleet and Priscilla White, formerly close friends of the Ramsey's, called again for a special prosecutor, expressing their belief that the grand jury investigation is another delaying tactic.

"It is our firm belief that the district attorney and others intend to use the grand jury and its secrecy in an attempt to protect their careers and also serve the conflicting interest of powerful, influential, and threatening people who have something to hide or protect and who simply don't want to be publicly linked to the dreadful murder investigation," wrote the Whites.

To date no indictments have been filed in the murder, though John and Patsy Ramsey have been called a "focus' of the investigation.

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  News story
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-11-2017, 03:27 PM - Forum: Dr. Henry Lee - No Replies

Forensic expert called again
DA asks Henry Lee to consult on Ramsey case
By Christopher Anderson
Camera Staff Writer




Renowned forensic expert Henry Lee will be returning to Colorado to meet with Boulder County District Attorney's officials to discuss the JonBenét Ramsey homicide investigation, which a grand jury has been reviewing for seven months.
Lee, the commissioner of the Connecticut Department of Public Safety and former consultant for the O.J. Simpson murder defense team, reportedly will be in the Boulder area later this week, marking at least his third trip here in connection with the Ramsey case.
Lee, who is working as a consultant to District Attorney Alex Hunter on the Ramsey case, said Tuesday from his Connecticut office that he did not know exactly when the meeting would be or what the prosecutors wanted from him. He did say the prosecutors had called the meeting.
Hunter's spokeswoman, Suzanne Laurion, declined comment on Lee's visit other than to say a meeting has been scheduled.
"We were hoping this would be a private meeting," she said.
In March, Lee met with Hunter in Connecticut as part of a crimes-against children symposium held at the University of New Haven.
When Lee met with prosecutors in February 1998 at a private room at the Denver International Airport, he said he believed the case had a 50-50 chance of being solved. He also attended a case presentation in Boulder in June 1998.
When asked Tuesday what he thought of the case, Lee said he has consulted with Hunter on crime scene photos and laboratory work in the past but couldn't comment on the case at this point because he hasn't been kept appraised of the day-to-day developments of the case.
"I really don't have the whole picture about the case," Lee said. "It is not going to be fair to them to make a comment."
It is not known whether Lee will be called to testify before the grand jury.
The grand jury investigating the Ramsey case met again Tuesday, but it is not known what was discussed.
Adams County District Attorney Bob Grant, who has also consulted with Hunter on the case, said it his belief the grand jury would be entering into its deliberative phase later this month. The grand jury, which has been convened for almost a year, can meet until April 22 before the district attorney must request an extension.
Grant said an extension is not unlikely since prosecutors would want to remove any "artificial" perceptions by jury members that they are under a time constraint to make a decision.
Unlike trial juries, a grand jury can come back after deliberations and ask to see more evidence or more witnesses.
Laurion said Tuesday a decision on whether to ask for an extension might not be made until the last day. Hunter has given indications it is being considered.
Six-year-old JonBenét Ramsey was found beaten and strangled in her family's basement Dec. 26, 1996.
Her parents John and Patsy Ramsey have been the focus of the investigation, although they maintain they are innocent.
It is not known whether the Ramseys have testified or will be called before the grand jury.

April 7, 1999

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