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  For UKGuy
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-17-2019, 08:47 AM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (1)

UKGuy wrote:

The curious aspect is Coroner Meyer's verbatim autopsy remarks

[i]Search Warrant 12/29/96. Excerpt[/i]

Quote:Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that she observed Dr. Meyer examine the vaginal area of the victim and heard him state that the victim had received an injury constant with [i]digital penetration of her vagina. Detective Arndt told Your Affiant that Dr. Meyer told her that it was his opinion that the victim had been subjected to sexual contact.[/i]

Which suggests a sexual assault using a finger and [b]not[/b] an injury caused by some unknown instrument, sometimes termed as [i]Instrumental Assault[/i] a bit like the [i]Blunt Force Trauma[/i] phraseology.

Yet nearly everyone assumes a piece of wooden splinter was found inside JonBenet, so how does that square with a Digital Sexual Assault?


My response -   When the man broke the paintbrush so he could use part of it in his garrote, a splinter, quite small, stuck to his finger. The digital assault put the splinter in his victim.

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  118 - What could it be?
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-21-2019, 09:03 PM - Forum: 118 thousand dollar ransom - Replies (2)

OK, we have all discussed how 118 could be a reference to John's 1995 bonus - paid out in February 1996 - - it was $118,117.50.

How about this?  In Indonesia, if you need an ambulance, the number to dial is 118.  Just mentioning it because the ransom note mentioned foreign faction - - maybe our guy had spent some time in Indonesia.

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  John didn't turn on the light first
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-18-2019, 10:56 AM - Forum: Disproving Myths - No Replies

THE MYTH - John Ramsey told Fleet White that he had found JonBenet before he turned on the light in the windowless room.

This information is lifted from the decision of Federal Judge Julie Carnes - - and the information is from Fleet White's deposition.

Upon finding nothing unusual in the closet,
the men proceeded to the wine cellar room. Mr. Ramsey entered the room first, turned on the
light and, upon discovery of JonBenet's dead body, he exclaimed "Oh my God, my baby."
(White Dep. at 162-63, 193-93.)

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  Judith Phillips - PDI
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-15-2019, 08:12 PM - Forum: THEORIES - No Replies

  Intenet poster Mame interviewed Judith Phillips - here is part of that transcript.

Mame: when did the police first speak with you?
JP: I think in April, not sure,…… in April……
Mame: and did you ask to be spoken to? Or did they take it upon themselves to…
JP: they called me first and asked if it would be okay if they could interview me down at police headquarters. And I said, sure. Mame: did they want to know more about what type of person Patsy was?
JP: well they asked, they interviewed me 3 times. The first time was short and Steve Thomas and Gosage was there and there was a woman whose name I don't recall, those were the 3 that interviewed me. It was taped and I didn't have a problem with that at all. They asked odd questions like , do you know this person as related to JR? They were naming off at least a half of dozen female names and, no I've never heard of that person before and no, I never knew that person before. And they would ask….
Mame: Not related as relatives, but the connection in terms of his life, who they were?
JP: yeah, women involved with John. They were hinting at an affair. I said, Why did you ask me the names of these women? They said, well, it's believed that JR had had quite a few affairs, not only in Atlanta but also here in Boulder. Do you know of anything? I knew, really none. (Laughs). John has such a devious quality about himself there was no way that he would let anybody know about his trysts whether they were real or not. But I found it interesting the line of, the police line of questions and how it went. Then they asked me if I knew about Patsy, if I saw her anger, if I saw her lose her temper and if I knew if she had ever had any relationships here in Boulder, you know questions like, personality type questions.
Mame: did she?
JP: not that I know of, but I have been told by a friend by a friend of mine who is much more deeply involved in this story than I am, that she met with a woman in Denver that had a health club that had played racquet ball with a, um, ah, I'm trying to think he was. Not an account…..
Mame: an investment person?
JP: An investment person. Yeah, and according to her friend that she knows very well, this investment person who is a man had said that he had a relationship with PR that night.
Mame: of the murder?
JP: yeah, that they had come home from the party at the Whites and Patsy had left the home, and had attended a party where they had a fling going.
Mame: do you believe that?
JP: (couldn't understand)
Mame: How do you know?
JP: How do you know? It's not that I don't disbelieve it, it's like…. You know???
Mame: that's the story that Jann Scott sort of threw out, was that was the line of thinking that they had up with that this boyfriend had come back. JP: yeah, well, I'm trying to investigate that. I have to do it very carefully.
Mame: I hope you'll keep us informed.
JP: I will. I have to be very careful, because I'm sure that she under any circumstances, that this man was apparently a father of the children where JonBenet and Burke attended school.
Mame: your school?
JP: their school. At that time they switched from the public school, to I .. Can't remember the name of it. They were a special satellite school.
mame: a magnet school.
JP: A magnet school. Patsy left, Susan Stine left and Roxy left and took their kids with them.
Mame: a magnet school
JP: a magnet school.
Mame: so it was apparently a father,
JP: yeah, who he did not, … he was married, he did not want anyone to know even if, this is true, can you imagine that he is willing to keep his secret, secret?
Mame: yeah, I can't imagine with all the scrutiny that, … but, you don't know.
JP: uh, huh.
Mame: that's fascinating.
JP: yes, it is fascinating.
Mame: But did you hear that there are good sources that you hear this from are sound enough that it's worth pursuing, that it's worth investigating… (couldn't understand)
JP: there is not one leaf that I would leave unturned in this particular case. I try not to have an opinion of something until I've investigated it further. So, I believe that this is something worth following up on. But I want to be real careful, because if this is true, this man is keeping an incredible secret. So, that's .. so I went from, and I think at the point where the more information that I obtained, especially about the ransom note when Tom and I and our relationship started. He sat down with me at length and showed me what his analysis, what his handwriting analysis that he did for Darnay Hoffman.
Mame: And it's like.. (couldn't understand) terminally (couldn't understand) finance, (couldn't understand) he was called upon.
JP: right, right.
Mame: to do an analysis
JP: (at same time) a handwriting analysis for Darnay Hoffman years ago. And he was one of the few handwriting analyzers that was willing to come out very strongly about that Patsy wrote the ransom note. He did not soft step, didn't fudge at all, which I think a lot of them have a tendency to do, but he really strongly believes, and still to this day believes that Patsy was the author of the ransom note. So you know we would have many conversations about it and that sort of was like the icing on the cake for me.
Mame: um, hum.. and when was that in your timeline approximately?
JP: let's see, probably, when the early spring of 98.
Mame: OK, so about a year and half, a year and a quarter after.
JP: yeah,
Mame: OK. Let me mention what I never knew, I sort of picked this up on Dateline NBC that you did. Your personal opinion is there could have been some incest going on.
JP: yeah, the reason why I believe that is, a couple of things. First of all, this ahhh, to see JonBenet prance around in her very sexually revealing outfits and just the way that she presented herself was shocking for me. I felt that there was something more there than that the eye.. it was just ..
Mame: But at the time you saw her prancing you didn't feel it? You didn't (couldn't understand) the activity, but later…. When you look back or…
JP: no, no, the first time I saw those films on television. I didn't see them while she was alive but..
Mame: but you didn't attend the pagents..
JP: right.
Mame: you had no way of knowing.
JP: right, so the first time I actually saw the footage, was right after her death, right after her murder, and I was shocked. I was absolutely shocked. I thought I do ,, this is not the little girl that I knew at all. It just was shocking.
Mame: sort of like a secret life.
JP: yeah, like another person. Actually another person that I didn't even know. The way that she pranced around and smiled and so sexual, adult sexual moves.
Mame: they really were sexual
JP: yeah
Mame: what else does (couldn't understand) daughter, but that is not a typical
JP: yeah, it's not Shirley Temple on the good ship lollipop, this is something very different, very different and there was a red flag, an intuitive flag that was, I, I just thought this is.. There's something wrong here. That was the first thing. Then as I have tried to put the pieces together that why I felt that Patsy, the person Patsy, the mother Patsy could have ever murdered her child, which I believe that she did. What would compel a mother to do this? And the only theory that makes any sense to me, is the theory that she found John sexually abusing JonBenet that night. That to me makes the only sense.
Mame: because you can't picture her then, bedwetting or…..
JP: no, no, no, no, no. The only thing that makes any sense of her behavior, was she quote" lost it".
Mame: and you think she was losing it towards John, not JonBenet.
JP: I think Patsy suspected it for some time. I think it may have started when JonBenet's hair was dyed blonde because that summer Patsy came home with a big ring on her finger and she was different and so was JonBenet. JonBenet's physical appearance.

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  John want AWOL
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-15-2019, 07:26 PM - Forum: Disproving Myths - No Replies

The myth is that John Ramsey went missing for a while on the morning of the 26th.  BORG claims it was for well over and hour and the suggestion is that he could have left the house to get rid of some incriminating evidence he just, maybe, forgot to dump earlier.    I don't really know what the BORG thinks.

But this is from Detective Linda Arndt's depositiona in her lawsuit against Boulder.

pg 117-118

Q.     you had lost track of John Ramsey for a period between 10:40 and twelve o'clock?
A.     No.
Q.    You didn't see him during that period of time, is that correct?
A.    No. 
Q.    It's not correct?
A.    That is not correct.
Q.    Didn't you report - all right.  You said sometime between 10:40 and 12:00 he went out to pick up the mail.
A.     No
Q.    What did you say?
A.     I believe I worded it in my report rather vaguely, and what I worded and  what has been put out in the media are not the same.  I said sometime during that timeframe I saw John reading his  mail.
Q.    We will get back to that later .  But there was a period of time when you lost contact with him, is that right, personal contact with him?
A.    I did not watch John Ramsey the entire time.

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  Linda Arndt - JDI
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-14-2019, 08:43 PM - Forum: THEORIES - Replies (1)

21 Q. Prior to his coming up the stairs holding

22 the body of JonBenet, did you have any suspicions that

23 he might have been involved in the murder of JonBenet

24 as opposed to the fact that it appeared to be a

25 kidnapping at that time?

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1 A. No.

2 Q. When you saw him coming up with the body of

3 JonBenet, did you then go back to your recollections of

4 his demeanor earlier that morning and say these things

5 are starting to fit together as his being the murderer?

6 A. I can only tell you that at that point,

7 everything made sense that didn't make sense before.

8 Q. What was it about seeing him carry the body

9 that seemed to make sense to you that he was the

10 murderer?

11 A. It was an accumulation of -

12 Q. I can't understand you. You say you see

13 him carrying the body and now it makes sense. I just

14 can't understand where you're coming from there. If

15 you can, just explain what makes sense and why

16 specifically.

17 A. No forced entry; no tracks; no breaking in

18 the house; no sounds heard during the night; he's the

19 last one to see her; behaviors by him; between he and

20 his wife; by others; the ransom note in and of itself.

21 I can't list the whole, all of the information.

22 Q. The fact that he was able to go right down

23 in the basement and find the body and bring her up, is

24 that a part of it?

25 A. How he carried her was part of it.

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1 Q. And describe that.

2 A. Her head above his head, so he didn't see

3 her head, her face.

4 Q. Can you demonstrate how he was holding her?

5 A. (indicating)

6 Q. So you kind of have your hands together out

7 in front of you, and he kind of had her in a bear hug,

8 is that it, for a lack of any better description? If

9 you were going to go up and hug somebody, that's the

10 way he had his arms around her?

11 A. No.

12 Q. How would you describe - I'm trying to

13 describe for the record.

14 A. Arms - he had his arms around her upper

15 legs. He carried her kind of up and away from his

16 body.

17 Q. Just so I can get a proper positioning of

18 her body vis-a-vis his, would her navel have been

19 around his face area the way he was carrying her?

20 A. I'm more focused on her head.

21 Q. How far above his head was her head?

22 A. Above.

23 Q. How far above?

24 A. Above.

25 Q. Were her shoulders above his head?

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1 A. I don't remember.

2 Q. And so I understood from your report he was

3 carrying her in a fashion where she was facing him.

4 A. Correct.

5 Q. And to you, that was most unusual?

6 A. Yes.

7 Q. And tell me why.

8 A. It was unusual that she was - it was clear

9 she was dead. It was unusual that, for me, for a

10 father to carry his child that way.

11 Q. How would you have expected him to be

12 carrying his child under those circumstances?

13 A. I don't know.

14 Q. You don't know other than it shouldn't have

15 been that way?

16 A. I'm not saying it should or shouldn't have

17 been. I'm just saying it was unusual.

18 Q. You had concern about your personal safety

19 as it related to John Ramsey that day?

20 A. The 26th?

21 Q. Yes.

22 A. After JonBenet came up the stairs, yes.

23 Q. And your concern was that you thought John

24 Ramsey had the potential to cause you personal harm?

25 A. I didn't know what John Ramsey's reaction

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1 or behavior would be.

2 MR. HALABY: Just informing you Judge

3 Bolin is not available until after 2:00 p.m. today. He

4 is in Colorado Springs doing a criminal docket this

5 morning. This is as related by his secretary, Miss

6 Freitag. So I guess we'll have to bring that up

7 another day.

8 MR. JONES: All right.

9 Q. (BY MR. HALABY) But you have been quoted,

10 have you not, as saying you feared for your safety when

11 you were in the presence of John Ramsey at that time?

12 A. I may have been quoted, but I didn't say

13 that.

14 Q. And you didn't feel that?

15 A. That's not what I said.

16 Q. Well, did you feel that?

17 A. I didn't know what John Ramsey was going to

18 do.

19 Q. And you thought because you didn't know,

20 there was a potential he could harm you?

21 A. I thought more about the other people.

22 Q. Well, didn't you count the rounds in your

23 weapon?

24 A. I did.

25 Q. And you'd counted the rounds in your weapon

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1 because you wanted to know whether or not you had

2 enough ammunition to defend yourself if you had to in

3 the Ramsey home?

4 A. Are you telling me what I thought?

5 Q. I'm asking you if that's what you thought.

6 A. Oh, it was an officer's safety thought.

7 Q. So an officer's safety thought. An officer

8 counts his rounds to make sure there is enough

9 ammunition to defend one's self if necessary?

10 A. Sure.

11 Q. So the natural import of that is you were

12 prepared to use your weapon on John Ramsey if your

13 suspicions became true that he'd become a threat to

14 you; is that correct?

15 A. What was that again?

16 Q. You wanted - you were prepared to use your

17 weapon in case your suspicions became fact and he

18 became a threat to you; is that correct?

19 A. I was prepared to defend the rest of the

20 people in that home.

21 Q. With the use of your weapon?

22 A. If need be.

23 Q. Okay. So this concern was not only for

24 your personal safety but the safety of others in that

25 house?

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1 A. The concern was first and foremost for

2 everyone in the house.

3 Q. So you didn't feel personally threatened by

4 John Ramsey; is that correct?

5 A. I felt concerned for everyone's safety,

6 including mine.

7 Q. So did you - well, I'm trying to get a

8 direct answer. My simple question just deals with you,

9 not everybody else. As to you, you felt concerned for

10 your personal safety as it related to John Ramsey,

11 correct?

12 A. I felt there was a threat to my -

13 Q. From John Ramsey?

14 A. Yes.

15 Q. To your personal safety?

16 A. At that moment, yes.

17 Q. As he was coming up the stairs?

18 A. No.

19 Q. Which moment?

20 A. As we were both bending over the body and

21 he was closest to my gun.

22 Q. What, under those circumstances, would

23 cause you to believe that he was a threat to your

24 personal safety, John Ramsey was a threat to your

25 personal safety?

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1 A. I was alone in the house with a man who,

2 whose daughter was murdered. I believed it was him,

3 and I didn't know how he was going to react.

4 Q. Did what you perceived to be the look in

5 his eyes have anything to do with this?

6 A. What are you referring to?

7 Q. I'm just asking you a question. You

8 observed his eyes, did you not?

9 A. Uh-huh.

10 Q. Was there anything in the look in his eyes

11 that added to this sense of threat from him?

12 A. At one point, yes.

13 Q. And what was that?

14 A. At the same time we were bending over both

15 on the floor next to JonBenet.

16 Q. How close was your face to his at that

17 point?

18 A. Inches.

19 Q. Did he ever say anything to you that

20 appeared to be consistent with a threat to your safety?

21 A. No.

22 Q. Did he make any overt act that you

23 translated as being a threat to your safety?

24 A. No.

25 Q. Did you have this concern for your personal

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1 safety regarding John's conduct after that moment?

2 A. I know that the threat was immediate.

3 Q. But did it last throughout the day?

4 A. No.

5 Q. Was it just for the moment?

6 A. It was in that moment.

7 Q. And it only lasted for that moment; is that

8 correct?

9 A. I can tell you that I remember that moment

10 clearly.

11 Q. And you can't remember it continuing after

12 that moment; is that correct?

13 A. The immediate threat had passed.

14 Q. All right. So can you recall whether or not

15 you felt in the least bit threatened by John Ramsey

16 after that moment?

17 A. That day?

18 Q. Yes.

19 A. Indirectly, yes.

20 Q. In what way?

21 A. Eller.

22 Q. Tell me about that.

23 A. Eller had said that I was a key witness in

24 the case and I knew information no one else knew and I

25 had to be careful and take a different route home every

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1 day, people would be, I should be extra careful and

2 people would be willing to kill me.

3 Q. When did he tell you that?

4 A. Well, within the first week.

5 Q. But that day, did you have any further

6 concern about your personal safety as it related to

7 John Ramsey after that moment had passed?

8 A. After people showed up, no. After other

9 cops showed up, no.

10 Q. How much time elapsed between the time of

11 that moment and when other cops showed up?

12 A. Twenty, 25 minutes.

13 Q. What means did you take to protect yourself

14 from John Ramsey during that 20 to 25 minutes?

15 A. I took command of the scene, the air of

16 authority.

17 Q. Did you ever pull your weapon?

18 A. No.

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  Steve Thomas
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-14-2019, 08:28 PM - Forum: THEORIES - Replies (1)

Steve Thomas read his theory into the record for his deposition in Wolf v Ramsey.  This is what he wrote in his book

20 A. "'I believe she committed the
21 murder' I told Smit and proceeded to lay out
22 what I thought had happened ...
23 "In my hypothesis, and approaching
24 fortieth birthday, the busy holiday season, an
25 exhausting Christmas Day, and an argument with


1 JonBenet had left Patsy frazzled. Her
2 beautiful daughter, whom she frequently
3 dressed almost as a twin, had rebelled
4 against wearing the same outfit as her
5 mother.
6 "When they came home, John Ramsey
7 helped Burke put together a Christmas toy.
8 JonBenet, who had not eaten much at the
9 Whites' party, was hungry. Her mother let
10 her have some pineapple, and then the kids
11 were put to bed. John Ramsey read to his
12 little girl. Then he went to bed. Patsy
13 stayed up to prepare for the trip to Michigan
14 the next morning, a trip she admittedly did
15 not particularly want to make.
16 "Later JonBenet awakened after
17 wetting her bed, as indicated by the plastic
18 sheets, the urine stains, the pull-up diaper
19 package hanging halfway out of a cabinet, and
20 the balled-up turtleneck found in the
21 bathroom. I concluded that the little girl
22 had worn the red turtleneck to bed, as her
23 mother originally said, and that it was
24 stripped off when it got wet.
25 "As I told Smith, I never believed


1 the child was sexually abused for the
2 gratification of the offender but that the
3 vaginal trauma was some sort of corporal
4 punishment. The dark fibers found in her
5 pubic region could have come from the violent
6 wiping of a wet child. Patsy probably yanked
7 out the diaper package in cleaning up
8 JonBenet.
9 "Patsy would not be the first
10 mother to lose control in such a situation.
11 One of the doctors we consulted cited
12 toileting issues as a textbook example of
13 causing a parental rage. So, in my
14 hypothesis, there was some sort of explosive
15 encounter in the child's bathroom sometime
16 prior to one o'clock in the morning, the time
17 suggested by the digestion rate of the
18 pineapple found in the child's stomach. I
19 believed JonBenet was slammed against a hard
20 surface, such as the edge of a tub,
21 inflicting a mortal head wound. She was
22 unconscious, but her heart was still beating.
23 Patsy would not have known that JonBenet was
24 still alive, because the child already
25 appeared to be dead. The massive head trauma


1 would have eventually killed her.
2 "It was the critical moment in
3 which she either had to call for help or
4 find an alternative explanation for her
5 daughter's death. It was accidental in the
6 sense that the situation had developed without
7 motive or premeditation. She could have
8 called for help but chose not to. An
9 emergency room doctor probably would have
10 questioned the 'accident' and called the
11 police. Still, little would have happened to
12 Patsy in Boulder. But I believe panic
13 overtook her.
14 "John and Burke continued to sleep
15 while Patsy moved the body of JonBenet down
16 to the basement and hid her in the little
17 room.
18 "As I pictured the scene, her
19 dilemma was that the police would assume the
20 obvious if a six- year old child was found
21 dead in a private home without any
22 satisfactory explanation. Patsy needed a
23 diversion and planned the way she thought a
24 kidnapping should look.
25 "She returned upstairs to the


1 kitchen and grabbed her tablet and a
2 felt-tipped pen," and flipping "to the middle
3 of the tablet, and started a ransom note,
4 drafting one that ended on page 25. For
5 some reason she discarded that one and ripped
6 pages 17-25 from the tablet. Police never
7 found those pages.
8 "On page 26, she began the
9 'Mr. and Mrs. I,' then also abandoned that
10 false start. At some point she drafted the
11 long ransom note. By doing so, she created
12 the government's best piece of evidence.
13 "She then faced the major problem
14 of what to do with the body. Leaving the
15 house carried the risk of John or Burke
16 awakening at the sounds and possibly being
17 seen by a passerby or a neighbor. Leaving
18 the body in the distant, almost inaccessible,
19 basement room was the best option.
20 "As I envisioned it, Patsy
21 returned to the basement, a woman caught up
22 in panic, where she could have seen--perhaps
23 by detecting a faint heartbeat or a sound or
24 a slight movement--that although completely
25 unconscious, JonBenet was not dead. Others


1 might argue that Patsy did not know the child
2 was still alive. In my hypothesis, she took
3 the next step, looking for the closest
4 available items in ... desperation. Only
5 feet away was her paint tote. She grabbed a
6 paint brush and broke it to fashion the
7 garrote with some cord." She then -- "then
8 she looped the cord around the girl's neck.
9 "In my scenario, she choked
10 JonBenet from behind, with a grip on her
11 broken paintbrush handle, pulling the
12 ligature. JonBenet, still unconscious, would
13 never have felt it. There are only four
14 ways to die: suicide, natural, accidental,
15 or homicide. This accident, in my opinion,
16 had just become a murder.
17 "Then the staging continued to
18 make it look like a kidnapping. Patsy tied
19 the girl's wrists in front, not in" the
20 "back, for otherwise the arms would not have
21 been in" the "overhead position. But with a
22 fifteen-inch length of cord between the wrists
23 and the knot tied loosely over the clothing,
24 there was no way such a binding would have
25 restrained a live child. It was a symbolic


1 act to make it appear the child had been
2 bound.
3 "Patsy took considerable time with
4 her daughter, wrapping her carefully in the
5 blanket and leaving her with a favorite pink
6 nightgown." As "the FBI had told us ... a
7 stranger would not have taken such care.
8 "As I told Lou, I thought that
9 throughout the coming hours, Patsy worked on
10 her staging, such as placing the ransom note
11 where she would be sure to 'find' it the
12 next morning. She placed the tablet on the
13 countertop right beside the stairs and" put
14 "the pen in the cup.
15 "While going through the drawers"
16 and "under the countertop" -- "While going
17 through the drawers under the countertop where
18 the tablet had been, she found rolls of tape.
19 She placed a strip from a roll of duct tape
20 across JonBenet's mouth. There was bloody
21 mucous under the tape, and a perfect set of
22 the child's lip prints, which did not
23 indicate a tongue impression or resistance.
24 "I theorized that Patsy, trying to
25 cover her tracks, took the remaining cord,


1 tape, and the first ransom note out of the
2 house that night, perhaps dropping them into
3 a nearby storm sewer or among the Christmas
4 debris in wrappings in a neighbor's trash
5 can.
6 "She was running out of time.
7 The household was scheduled to wake up early
8 to fly to Michigan, and in her haste, Patsy
9 Ramsey did not change clothes, a vital
10 mistake. With the clock ticking, and hearing
11 her husband moving around upstairs, she
12 stepped over the edge.
13 "The way I envisioned it, Patsy
14 screamed, and John Ramsey, coming out of the
15 shower, responded, totally unaware of what had
16 occurred. Burke, awakened by the noise
17 shortly before six o'clock in the morning,
18 came down to find out what had happened and
19 was sent back to bed as his mother talked to
20 the 911 emergency dispatcher.
21 "Patsy Ramsey opened the door to
22 Officer Rick French at about 5:55 a.m. on the
23 morning of December 26, 1996, wearing a red
24 turtleneck sweater and black pants, the same
25 things she had worn to a party the night


1 before. Her hair was done, and her makeup
2 was on. In my opinion, she had never been
3 to bed.
4 "The diversion worked for seven
5 hours as the Boulder police thought they were
6 dealing with a kidnapping.
7 "John Ramsey, in my hypothetical
8 scenario, probably first grew suspicious while
9 reading the ransom note that morning, which
10 was why he was unusually quiet. He must
11 have seen his wife's writing mannerisms all
12 over it, everything but her signature. But
13 where was his daughter?
14 "He said in his police interview
15 that he went down to the basement when
16 Detective Arndt noticed him missing. I
17 suggested that Ramsey found JonBenet at that
18 time and was faced with the dilemma of his
19 life. During the next few hours, his
20 behavior changed markedly as he desperately
21 considered his few options--submit to the
22 authorities or try to control the situation.
23 He had already lost one child, Beth, and now
24 JonBenet was gone too. Now Patsy was
25 possibly in jeopardy.


1 "The stress increased steadily
2 during the morning, for Patsy, in my theory,
3 knew that no kidnapper was going to call by
4 ten o'clock, and after John found the body,
5 he knew that too. So when Detective Linda
6 Arndt told him to search the house, he used
7 the opportunity and made a beeline for the
8 basement.
9 "Then tormented as he might be, he
10 chose to protect his wife. Within a few
11 hours, the first of his many lawyers was in
12 motion, the private investigators a day later.
13 "That's the way I see it, I said
14 to Lou Smit." That's how evidence -- "That's
15 how the evidence fits to me. She made
16 mistakes, and that's how we solve crimes,
17 right? I reminded him of his own favorite
18 saying: 'Murders are usually what they
19 seem.'".

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  swiss army knives
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-10-2019, 05:02 PM - Forum: odds and ends - Replies (1)

interview with Detective Dan Schuler):
SCHULER: [i]You have two knives?[/i]
BURKE: [i]I have one that says my name on it – it has Switzerland on it.[/i]
SCHULER: [i]Uh-huh.[/i]
BURKE: [i]That one has a big knife, small knife, saw, corkscrew, screwdriver, flat head screwdriver, toothpick and tweezers. And I think that’s it. And then I have another one that has a saw, scissors, it’s got this little hook thing [b]that you tie knots better with[/b]. Um, I said saw? A cork opener.[/i]
SCHULER: [i]Both of those Swiss Army knives?[/i]
BURKE: [i]One knife is smaller.[/i]
SCHULER: [i]Where do you normally keep those? In your scouting stuff?[/i]
BURKE: [i]I think I like (inaudible) and I have a little place for them in my room.[/i]
SCHULER: [i]Did you take them both camping with you?[/i]
BURKE: [i]I just took the —[/i]
SCHULER: [i]The one with your name on it?[/i]
BURKE: [i]No.[/i]
SCHULER: [i]Oh, okay. So somebody must have given you that one, for a special occasion?[/i]
BURKE: [i]My mom.[/i]
[b]7. INTERROGATION/Confirmation [December 11, 2001 Patsy Ramsey Deposition Wolf vs Ramsey][/b]
HOFFMAN: [i]One of the most controversial pieces of evidence is a red Boy Scout knife or a whittling knife. I don’t know if it is a Swiss Army knife. Do you know whether or not Burke owned a red knife at any time?[/i]
PATSY: [i]He had a couple of them.[/i]
HOFFMAN: [i]He had more than one?[/i]
PATSY:  [i]I believe so.[/i]
HOFFMAN:  [i]Do you know if he had more than one at one time?[/i]
PATSY:  [i]Yes.[/i]

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  Schiller's OVERKILL - 12/17/2018
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-28-2018, 06:29 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - Replies (2)

"Overkill: The Unsolved Murder of JonBenet" Documentary Special from Lawrence Schiller - Two Hour Special Premieres Saturday, December 17 at 9pm ET/6pm PT
"We're showing viewers the remarkable complexity of this case and why 20 years later there are still no clear answers," said Lawrence Schiller.

Two Hour Special Premieres Saturday, December 17 at 9pm ET/ 6pm PT
(Albuquerque, NM) Thursday, December 1, 2016 - REELZ today announced �the original documentary special Overkill: The Unsolved Murder of JonBenét from award-winning author and director, Lawrence Schiller. The murder of JonBenét Ramsey in Colorado on Christmas in 1996 remains unsolved. Now, 20 years later Schiller, who wrote the New York Times best-selling book on the case, Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, digs deep into his extensive archive of hundreds of recorded interviews with eyewitnesses, law enforcement officers, investigators, scientific and forensic experts and criminologists. Schiller's exhaustive examination of the case uncovers fresh information from those involved to tell the story of JonBenét's murder like never before. Overkill: The Unsolved Murder of JonBenét is produced by WS Productions, Inc. and Peabody Award-winning producer Tom Jennings and will premiere Saturday, December 17 at 9pm ET/ 6pm PT.
"JonBenét's story is a perplexing and heartbreaking case," said Steve Cheskin, SVP of REELZ Programming. "Even now, 20 years later, it still remains a mystery with puzzling twists and turns. Helping to unravel what really happened that night is renowned author Lawrence Schiller. We are proud to be working with him and the talented team he has assembled."
"We're showing viewers the remarkable complexity of this case and why 20 years later there are still no clear answers," said Lawrence Schiller. "There are stark differences of opinion among the many professionals involved and our goal is to show viewers the flawed sequence of events in gathering the evidence which led to one of most notorious unsolved murders in the history of American crime."
Overkill: The Unsolved Murder of JonBenét examines several key questions surrounding the case from whether total contamination of the crime scene prevented the killer from being caught to showing viewers the deep rift that formed between the Boulder District Attorney's Office and the Boulder Police Department and its impact on the case. Among the many people Schiller interviewed for Overkill: The Murder of JonBenét is the main detective on the case, now retired FBI agent Ron Walker, author and reporter Paula Woodward who covered the case extensively, forensic psychologist Gregg McCrary, homicide detective Lou Smit and included are revealing interviews from detective Steve Thomas and Boulder, Colorado District Attorney Alex Hunter.

Read more at http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news/2016/...rxGfQoK.99

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  at least three
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-17-2018, 05:00 PM - Forum: The House at 755 15th Street, Boulder, CO - Replies (1)

I have a document that says in the 11 months following the murder there were at least three breakins at the Ramsey house - and none left visible evidence of the break in.  I guess they could tell because of cameras that were installed after the murder.  

I KNOW WHO DID IT ONCE - he confessed it to me and said once in he panicked and left in a hurry.  He jimmied the north door - the one to the Butler's pantry.

Not that the three breakins matter a lot - but they show it would not have been impossible for an intruder to get in that Christmas day - - even if there weren't unlocked doors and windows!

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