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  plea bargains - sex offenders
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-02-2018, 04:09 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - Replies (3)

Should I Take a Plea Bargain for a Sex Crime?
Posted on July 1, 2015 by Law Office of Brett A Podolsky
 
A defendant who is charged with a sex crime in Texas may be facing some serious legal penalties. These penalties can include jail time, fines and sex offender registration. One way to avoid the full extent of these possible penalties is to accept a plea bargain from the prosecution.
A plea bargain is an agreement between the defense and the prosecution. In many cases, the prosecution will be the district attorney. In a plea bargain, the district attorney may offer a deal to the defendant after charges have been filed and before a trial takes place.
In most cases, the plea bargain will require the defendant to enter a guilty plea in court. However, the defendant may only have to plead guilty to a lesser charge than the crime for which he or she was originally charged. Alternatively, if the defendant is charged on multiple counts, he or she may only have to plead guilty to one or a few of the total charges.
Benefits of Plea Bargains
There are several advantages for a defendant who chooses to accept a plea bargain for sexually based offenses. Some of these benefits can include:

  • Reduced jail time

  • Reduced fines

  • Conviction on a misdemeanor charge rather than a felony charge

  • Probation instead of jail time
When it comes to sexual crimes, plea bargaining is a possibility. However, a plea bargain for a sex crime may work differently when compared to other types of offenses.
[Image: Brett-Podolsky-CTA.jpg]
Plea Bargains and Sex Offender Registration
Mandatory sex offender registration is one of the most serious consequences for a sex crime. This mandatory registration may be valid for the remainder of the defendant’s life or for a period of several years. For defendants who receive prison time, the registration can activate once they are released from incarceration.
Registration can require a person to: Obviously, these are very serious consequences. A person accused of a sexual offense may wonder if a plea bargain can help them avoid this mandatory registration.
In reality, this may not be possible. A person who admits guilt to a sex crime for which registration is required must register as a sex offender. In general, the only way to avoid sex offender registration is accept a plea bargain for a lesser charge for which registration is not a requirement.
For example, if a defendant is charged with a crime for which registration is a requirement but accepts a plea bargain for a charge that does not require registration, that defendant could potentially avoid registration. He or she may still have to face incarceration, probation and fines but it may be worth it to avoid the stigma of sex offender registration.
Should I Take A Plea Bargain?
This is not an easy question to answer. Every case involving sex crime charges will be different. In some cases, a defendant may stand to gather a lot of advantages by accepting a plea bargain.
However, a plea bargain requires a total admission of guilt and pleading guilty to any sex crime can have serious consequences. There can be an element of public shame and humiliation that may be just as bad as jail time.
The best strategy for a defendant in this situation is to consult with an experienced attorney. An attorney may be able to examine the facts of the case and the charges that have been filed and make a recommendation. In addition, an attorney may be able to negotiate with the court for a new plea bargain that is more favorable to the defendant.
The average person will not have the knowledge or experience to negotiate with the court on their own and public defenders may be overworked or inexperienced. Hiring a lawyer as soon as sex crime charges are filed is a great first step towards building a strong legal defense that may secure a favorable plea bargain.

If you’ve been accused of a sex crime, it’s crucial to contact an experienced attorney. Brett A. Podolsky will fight to protect your rights. Call 713-227-0087 or email for a confidential consultation today!

https://brettpodolsky.com/sex-crimes/sho...-sex-crime

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  plea bargains - sex offenders
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-02-2018, 04:01 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - No Replies

Should I Take a Plea Bargain for a Sex Crime?
Posted on July 1, 2015 by Law Office of Brett A Podolsky
 
A defendant who is charged with a sex crime in Texas may be facing some serious legal penalties. These penalties can include jail time, fines and sex offender registration. One way to avoid the full extent of these possible penalties is to accept a plea bargain from the prosecution.
A plea bargain is an agreement between the defense and the prosecution. In many cases, the prosecution will be the district attorney. In a plea bargain, the district attorney may offer a deal to the defendant after charges have been filed and before a trial takes place.
In most cases, the plea bargain will require the defendant to enter a guilty plea in court. However, the defendant may only have to plead guilty to a lesser charge than the crime for which he or she was originally charged. Alternatively, if the defendant is charged on multiple counts, he or she may only have to plead guilty to one or a few of the total charges.
Benefits of Plea Bargains
There are several advantages for a defendant who chooses to accept a plea bargain for sexually based offenses. Some of these benefits can include:

  • Reduced jail time

  • Reduced fines

  • Conviction on a misdemeanor charge rather than a felony charge

  • Probation instead of jail time
When it comes to sexual crimes, plea bargaining is a possibility. However, a plea bargain for a sex crime may work differently when compared to other types of offenses.
[Image: Brett-Podolsky-CTA.jpg]
Plea Bargains and Sex Offender Registration
Mandatory sex offender registration is one of the most serious consequences for a sex crime. This mandatory registration may be valid for the remainder of the defendant’s life or for a period of several years. For defendants who receive prison time, the registration can activate once they are released from incarceration.
Registration can require a person to: Obviously, these are very serious consequences. A person accused of a sexual offense may wonder if a plea bargain can help them avoid this mandatory registration.
In reality, this may not be possible. A person who admits guilt to a sex crime for which registration is required must register as a sex offender. In general, the only way to avoid sex offender registration is accept a plea bargain for a lesser charge for which registration is not a requirement.
For example, if a defendant is charged with a crime for which registration is a requirement but accepts a plea bargain for a charge that does not require registration, that defendant could potentially avoid registration. He or she may still have to face incarceration, probation and fines but it may be worth it to avoid the stigma of sex offender registration.
Should I Take A Plea Bargain?
This is not an easy question to answer. Every case involving sex crime charges will be different. In some cases, a defendant may stand to gather a lot of advantages by accepting a plea bargain.
However, a plea bargain requires a total admission of guilt and pleading guilty to any sex crime can have serious consequences. There can be an element of public shame and humiliation that may be just as bad as jail time.
The best strategy for a defendant in this situation is to consult with an experienced attorney. An attorney may be able to examine the facts of the case and the charges that have been filed and make a recommendation. In addition, an attorney may be able to negotiate with the court for a new plea bargain that is more favorable to the defendant.
The average person will not have the knowledge or experience to negotiate with the court on their own and public defenders may be overworked or inexperienced. Hiring a lawyer as soon as sex crime charges are filed is a great first step towards building a strong legal defense that may secure a favorable plea bargain.

If you’ve been accused of a sex crime, it’s crucial to contact an experienced attorney. Brett A. Podolsky will fight to protect your rights. Call 713-227-0087 or email for a confidential consultation today!

https://brettpodolsky.com/sex-crimes/sho...-sex-crime

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  plea bargains - sex offenders
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-02-2018, 04:01 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - No Replies

Should I Take a Plea Bargain for a Sex Crime?
Posted on July 1, 2015 by Law Office of Brett A Podolsky
 
A defendant who is charged with a sex crime in Texas may be facing some serious legal penalties. These penalties can include jail time, fines and sex offender registration. One way to avoid the full extent of these possible penalties is to accept a plea bargain from the prosecution.
A plea bargain is an agreement between the defense and the prosecution. In many cases, the prosecution will be the district attorney. In a plea bargain, the district attorney may offer a deal to the defendant after charges have been filed and before a trial takes place.
In most cases, the plea bargain will require the defendant to enter a guilty plea in court. However, the defendant may only have to plead guilty to a lesser charge than the crime for which he or she was originally charged. Alternatively, if the defendant is charged on multiple counts, he or she may only have to plead guilty to one or a few of the total charges.
Benefits of Plea Bargains
There are several advantages for a defendant who chooses to accept a plea bargain for sexually based offenses. Some of these benefits can include:

  • Reduced jail time

  • Reduced fines

  • Conviction on a misdemeanor charge rather than a felony charge

  • Probation instead of jail time
When it comes to sexual crimes, plea bargaining is a possibility. However, a plea bargain for a sex crime may work differently when compared to other types of offenses.
[Image: Brett-Podolsky-CTA.jpg]
Plea Bargains and Sex Offender Registration
Mandatory sex offender registration is one of the most serious consequences for a sex crime. This mandatory registration may be valid for the remainder of the defendant’s life or for a period of several years. For defendants who receive prison time, the registration can activate once they are released from incarceration.
Registration can require a person to: Obviously, these are very serious consequences. A person accused of a sexual offense may wonder if a plea bargain can help them avoid this mandatory registration.
In reality, this may not be possible. A person who admits guilt to a sex crime for which registration is required must register as a sex offender. In general, the only way to avoid sex offender registration is accept a plea bargain for a lesser charge for which registration is not a requirement.
For example, if a defendant is charged with a crime for which registration is a requirement but accepts a plea bargain for a charge that does not require registration, that defendant could potentially avoid registration. He or she may still have to face incarceration, probation and fines but it may be worth it to avoid the stigma of sex offender registration.
Should I Take A Plea Bargain?
This is not an easy question to answer. Every case involving sex crime charges will be different. In some cases, a defendant may stand to gather a lot of advantages by accepting a plea bargain.
However, a plea bargain requires a total admission of guilt and pleading guilty to any sex crime can have serious consequences. There can be an element of public shame and humiliation that may be just as bad as jail time.
The best strategy for a defendant in this situation is to consult with an experienced attorney. An attorney may be able to examine the facts of the case and the charges that have been filed and make a recommendation. In addition, an attorney may be able to negotiate with the court for a new plea bargain that is more favorable to the defendant.
The average person will not have the knowledge or experience to negotiate with the court on their own and public defenders may be overworked or inexperienced. Hiring a lawyer as soon as sex crime charges are filed is a great first step towards building a strong legal defense that may secure a favorable plea bargain.

If you’ve been accused of a sex crime, it’s crucial to contact an experienced attorney. Brett A. Podolsky will fight to protect your rights. Call 713-227-0087 or email for a confidential consultation today!

https://brettpodolsky.com/sex-crimes/sho...-sex-crime

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  weBsleuths - the BORG forum
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-30-2018, 08:06 AM - Forum: Found on other forums - No Replies

Intruder thoughts unwelcome.  Only BORG posts allowed


Here is one of their theories

ive been hesitant to post my theory as im still now absorbing so much info from other posters and i respect the thought and commitment each poster brings to finding justice for JBR.
there are elements from all RDI that make perfect sense even though i have no doubt many have to be wrong (or right!) for the simple reason something JR said about us and the beer can collecting club a long time ago makes me think he thinks we put way too much thought into every little thing, trying to find that aha clue. (and we will JR :jail[Image: clear.png]
a few points to start.

- i dont believe they were as worried about evidence as we think. like fibres etc.
they were paranoid about the finger prints thats it.
- i think there was multiple crime scenes as the night progressed and the situation intensified.
- every possible avenue of justice has really been denied to this little darling.
even the AR was based on ONE examiners opinion. maybe dr meyers is a gun coroner maybe he's not. but the fact remains he made some very unclear observations in the report and its a damn shame that another examiners interpretations of her injuries isnt available to us. (not just them reading and interpreting his report)

so....im not going to write a book.
we all know the basics im just going to bullet form the points to my theory.

-nobody went to bed christmas night.
they all walked in. kids had a snack. Tired and frazzled PR marched JB upstairs for bedtime routine.
she started at the top ie fixed JB hair for bed started on the Pj's got to the black pants and discovered an incident down there that exasperated her.
PR losses it and drags JB to the bathroom for what has become a progressively angrier brutal mean abusive (torturous) clean up.
during the painful vaginal cleanup JB makes a run for it,PR grabs her by the collar and drives her back into the bathroom where the head injury happens by means of accidental brutal force into the door frame on the way.
PR is aware immediately how dire the hit was.
she screams for JR (who has BR in toe)
JBR is rendered unconscious immediately, JR picks her up and puts her on her bed so they can assess her properly.
i believe that they were waiting to see if she would come round having no medical idea really how serious her brain injury was, most likely about 15 minutes .
[b]this should have been the time 911 was called why wasnt it???
[/b]because PR knew what she was physically doing to JB was wrong and i think what started as a hesitation to call 911 became a non alternative when she started most likely fitting or some other horrific event that JR instinctively took her down stairs hurriedly with PR in toe where it was decided to send her to god in mercy.

they quickly fastened a makeshift ligature and utilised it fast.
- during this time BR was roaming around JBs room in a haze and might have likely soiled himself in sheer fright. then in a bizaar night of events behaved debravely just in auto pilot...coping mechanism ( poo smearing) .
- i think JBR was placed in size 6 underwear and the pink pj bottoms in her room after the head injury but while waiting to see how she was.
after she was strangled i think she was probably leaking fluids especially from the trauma to her virgina which PR couldnt have anyone notice.she was stripped of those dirty clothes wiped and i believe PR had lightbulb moment of the size 12s nearby and i imagine like most families there would have been a box or bags of old clothes down stairs and that is where she came upon the long johns and quickly put them into play.
they didnt realise that through the death process of the hours ahead JBR would keep leaking fluids.
-i think JR and PR spent along time with her at this point.
they grieved, they yelled at each other then they went into survival mode.
hatched the ridiculous RN and failed kidnapping plan.
-they burnt JBR with the cigars and tortured her virgina to make it look like an intruder.
-wiped the torch and the ransom note for finger prints
-semi hid JBR
-had a intense chat with BR in his room
-PR freshened her make up and hair while JR showered
-911 call

lots of people on this forum think the parents covered for the kid....but why couldnt and wouldnt the kid cover for the parents?
there are alot of things pointing to BDI as well. I am still open to all theories!
but as above keeps niggling at me without change. so i guess i am staking myself P&JDI :fence:

ps i think the incriminating evidence was in the damn golf bag!!!

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  Chronicle of Cooperation
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-29-2018, 07:33 PM - Forum: Ramsey cooperation - Replies (3)

Chronicle of cooperation

News staff






[b]March 19[/b]
[b]'The police are not interested in justice'[/b]
[b]Police see Ramsey 'smoke screen'[/b]
[b]Chronicle of cooperation[/b]
[b]Allegations & responses[/b]
[b]Investigator Smit says evidence points to intruder as murderer[/b]
[b]Intruder theory[/b]
[b]Excerpts from 'The Death of Innocence'[/b]
[b]Interviewer says he wants to move on[/b]




An appendix to the Ramseys' book is titled A Chronicle of Cooperation, detailing occasions the couple say they cooperated with law enforcement authorities in the investigation.
Boulder police were frustrated during the investigation by what they said was the Ramseys' reluctance to help.
Here is a summary of the Ramseys' A Chronicle of Cooperation:

[*]Boulder police officers interviewed them throughout Dec. 26, 1996, the day JonBenet's body was found.

[*]Police questioned them both Dec. 27 and John again Dec. 28. Officers were with the Ramseys 24 hours a day from 6 a.m. Dec. 26 through 2 p.m. Dec. 29, when the Ramseys left for the funeral in Atlanta.

[*]Police questioned Burke Ramsey on Dec. 26. The conversation was tape-recorded without either parent present and without parental consent. A police psychologist interviewed Burke on Jan. 6. Burke was interviewed again, over three days, in May 1998.

[*]Handwriting samples were given by John (Dec. 26, 28, Jan. 5, 1997); Patsy (Dec. 28, Jan. 4, 1997, Feb. 28, April 12, May 20), and Burke (Dec. 28).

[*]After the Ramseys returned from JonBenet's funeral in Atlanta, their attorneys offered to make them available for a joint interview Jan. 18, 1997. "The police declined this offer and stated in writing that such an interview would not 'be helpful' because 'the time for interviewing John and Patsy as witnesses who could provide critical information that would be helpful in the initial stages of our investigation has passed."'

[*]"The police countered with an offer that the Ramseys come to the police station at 6 p.m. on a Friday night and subject themselves to an open-ended interrogation. That suggestion was rejected, in part because of the written statement above."

[*]"Patsy and John gave hair and blood samples, as well as fingerprints, immediately when the police requested them; so did all other members of the family. In February 1997 both Patsy and John voluntarily gave pubic hair samples."

[*]"Very early in the investigation, the Ramseys offered to let the police search both of their houses, John's office, their cars and his airplane hangar without a search warrant."

[*]"On April 11, 1997, John and Patsy Ramsey, with their attorneys, met with Peter Hofstrom of the DA's office and Tom Wickman of the Boulder Police Department. This meeting was held at Mr. Hofstrom's and Detective Wickman's request. An apology was given for the way the family had been treated. The Ramseys were asked to give additional interviews and continue their previous cooperation. John accepted their apology and agreed to move forward. No conditions were placed on the manner in which the interviews would be conducted."

[*]"On April 12, 1997, the Ramseys also agreed to let authorities search their house again without a warrant; agreed to destructive testing of walls located at their home; agreed to identify Patsy Ramsey's prior writings; and agreed to make themselves available for separate interviews on April 23. The Ramseys agreed to answer any questions put to them. On April 22, the Boulder police canceled the interviews."

[*]"The Ramseys agreed to be interrogated by the Boulder police and district attorney's office on April 30, 1997. These interviews lasted two hours (for John) and six hours (for Patsy)."

[*]"The Ramseys also were interrogated by the district attorney's office for three full days each in June 1998. No additional interviews were requested."

[*]"The Ramseys signed more than 100 releases for information requested by the police, ranging from medical records to credit card records and even videotape rental records. The Ramseys provided all evidence and information requested by the police."

[*]"Burke Ramsey, John Andrew Ramsey and Melinda Ramsey Long all were subpoenaed and testified before the grand jury."

[*]"John and Patsy offered to testify before the grand jury, but they were never subpoenaed. The Ramseys asked to meet with the governor and his advisory council. The request went unanswered."


March 19, 2000

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  history of false claims
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-29-2018, 06:32 PM - Forum: Nancy Krebs - No Replies

Calif. woman's credibility questioned in JonBenet Ramsey case

Feb. 27, 2000 | 1:10 p.m.

 
BOULDER, Colo. (AP) -- A woman who claims to see similarities between her own sexual abuse as a child and the case of JonBenet Ramsey has a history of making false reports, California officials said in Sunday's Daily Camera.

The Boulder newspaper reported last week that the California woman suggested the 6-year-old beauty queen was killed accidentally when an asphyxiation technique was used by an adult to stimulate orgasmic response.

Sheriff's investigators in California spent hundreds of hours looking into the woman's claim in 1991 that she had been raped. They were unable to confirm her claim, the paper said.

``She has filed a number of reports with us and most of them have been determined to be unfounded,'' said San Louis Obispo County sheriff's Sgt. C.J. Bell.

The 37-year-old woman has drawn parallels between her experiences and the physical evidence of garroting found on JonBenet's body, the newspaper stated.

Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter initially described the information as new evidence that needed to be thoroughly investigated. No one answered the telephone at his office Sunday.

JonBenet was found beaten and strangled in the basement of her family's home on Dec. 26, 1996. The coroner also found signs of injuries in her genital area.

A grand jury investigated the case for 13 months, but no charges were filed. Police have said JonBenet's parents remain suspects. The Ramseys, who have moved to the Atlanta area, deny any involvement in her death.

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  Governor Owens
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-29-2018, 06:25 PM - Forum: Names to remember - Replies (1)

Strong Words For The Ramseys

[*]Gov. Bill Owens Urges Ramseys To Cooperate
[*]Says Special Prosecutor Will Not Be Appointed
[*]Headed In Right Direction With New Evidence


DENVER



CBS

(CBS) Colorado Gov. Bill Owens urged the parents of JonBenet Ramsey to "quit hiding behind their attorneys" and help find their daughter's killers.

Owens' comments came Wednesday as he announced his decision not to appoint a special prosecutor to look into the 1996 death of the six-year-old beauty pageant winner.

He said after initial mistakes, police and prosecutors are working with new evidence and headed in the right direction.

"During my own review of the Ramsey case," Owens said, "I've learned that substantial new evidence -- including evidence that did not originate in the grand jury proceedings -- is presently being analyzed and will continue to be analyzed by the prosecution team."

The governor, though, had strong words for the girl's parents.

"If I could speak to John and Patsy Ramsey," Owens said, "I would tell them to quit hiding behind their attorneys, quit hiding behind their PR firm. Come back to Colorado and work with investigators in this case, no matter where that trail will lead."

Early on Dec. 26, 1996, Mrs. Ramsey told police she found a ransom note demanding $118,000 for her daughter's safe return. Eight hours later, JonBenet's father said he found his daughter's body in the basement.

Critics contend the investigation was compromised when detectives allowed the Ramseys and friends to roam through their mansion in Boulder.

Owens said the guilty parties have been smart, stonewalling police and covering their tracks.

The Ramseys, who moved to the Atlanta area after the killing, have insisted they are innocent. In a statement issued late Wednesday, the Ramseys' attorneys called Owens' remarks "slanderous."

"Coming from a public official elected to the highest office of this state, his comments are unconscionable," the statement said.

"To the killers, let me say this: You only think you have gotten away with murder. There is strong evidence to suggest who you are," Owens said. "I think investigators are moving closer to proving their case. They will keep pursuing you. You will reap what you have sown."

Owens declined to comment when asked if he was referring to the Ramseys when he cited more than one killer. He wouldn't say if he believed the Ramseys were involved in their daughter's death.

Two weeks ago, a Boulder County grand jury completed a 13-month investigation of the death without issuing any indictments. District Attorney Alex Hunter said there was not enough evidence to charge anyone, though he and police said the Ramseys remain under suspicion.

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  old thread on other crimes
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-29-2018, 02:44 PM - Forum: OTHER children taken from their beds - No Replies

"Similar Crimes?"
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"Similar Crimes?"
Posted by theneedle on Oct-17-99 at 02:02 PM (EST)

Quote:After reading recent newspaper articles on famous unsolved crimes(everyone's local paper seemed to have their own version ,next to their feature "Ramseys Off Hook" type article....God,they are so uncreative), I thought perhaps we could post articles about cases which actually DO resemble the JonBenet murder.I know there is "Boulder area crimes" in our true crime area , but this seems to be a busier area, and I thought perhaps we could discuss more specifically similar crimes.
Check out the Monica DaSilva case.Reno, Nevada,1990.6 yrs old.Abducted from bedroom.Only clue left was pried doorjamb.Parents under suspicion, finally cleared and won lawsuit against media for calling them killers.Child's skeleton found a few months later in desert.Nothing definitive obtained from the site or remains.This case happened only a year after a brother and sister, Chia by name,6&8, vanished after getting off a school bus in Lake Tahoe area.Their skeletons were also found months later.
These are similar cases to Ramsey not only because of the victims ages, but the fact they both happened out West in Rocky Mountain towns.It is not inconceivable that Sick Puppy relocated to Boulder 6 yrs later and became bolder.
http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/reno/932973792.html
http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/reno/939962481.html

 
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1 . "another"
Posted by Brimm on Oct-17-99 at 02:47 PM (EST)
Quote:http://www.bouldernews.com/extra/ramsey/...5akid.html

Here is another one. This one in Georgia 1991.

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2 . "40 unsolved abductions"
Posted by Bluefire on Oct-17-99 at 03:42 PM (EST)
Quote:I have a database with about 40 unsolved non-family abductions of JonBenét aged children listed over the past ten years. I have no idea at all of how many unsolved child homicides there are, nor for that matter how many solved child homicides.
It is very difficult to find any information about these cases beyond the posters on missing children sites. Strangely, a number of abductions clustered around the Rocky Mountain states over a short period of time in the eighties and then, apparently stopped. The girls were mostly 8-12 yrs. old.
The perps, for the cases I've seen solved for JonBenét's age group are mostly acquaintances, neighbors, strangers and step parents.
NCNMEC has a new study of child homicides available free from their site.

 
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3 . "thanks"
Posted by theneedle on Oct-17-99 at 04:34 PM (EST)
Quote:Blue and Brimm.I thought maybe we can stick to cases where a body was actually found.That way we can find out what forensic evidence exists, and if it can be checked against Ramsey.I certainly hope that unsolved child homicide DNA evidence is being saved in a data base somewhere.I do feel as if thats our only hope sometimes.

 
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4 . "needle"
Posted by river on Oct-18-99 at 09:22 AM (EST)
Quote:You're right. There are plenty of other similar crimes. Happens all the time. Why did this case get so much publicity? Rich family, little girl in beauty pageants. Parents appeared on TV. (Big mistake.) Reminded people to much of Susan Smith, and they made an immediate connection. click-click I wonder if the police would have solved the case if the media had kept their nose out of it.

 
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5 . "Jeanna North - Her Killer Escapes"
Posted by Bluefire on Oct-19-99 at 08:02 AM (EST)
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Jeanna North
Kyle Bell was a neighbor of the Norths when Jeanna disappeared while in-line skating near her home on the night of June 28, 1993. On September 15, 1998. a scumbag named Kyle Bell was charged with murdering her, and convicted of her death. This piece of garbage confessed that he had raped Jeanna and murdered her when she told him that she would tell her parents. He dumped her body in the Sheyenne River near Fargo, North Dakota.
Last week Kyle Bell escaped from a prisoner transport and is apparently free in Texas or Mexico. He has previously lived in Denver. He may have been in jail Christmas, 1996, it is unclear because at one point of time he jumped bail on the molestation charges and ended up in Denver.
Northscape has a number of stories concerning the escape iof this child killer:
http://www.northscape.com/news/sunday.htm
Here is part of the story of this monster from northscape:
Sheriff Mark Milbrandt had dealings with Bell too, "starting in 1983," when Bell was 15 or 16.
"He was convicted of a sex crime here, with a young girl, I believe, and served time in the South Dakota Penitentiary," said Milbrandt, sheriff of Brown County, seated in Aberdeen.
Bell was involved in many offenses, from minor traffic ones, to burglary, assault and the sex crime, Milbrandt said.
His pedophilia, or sexual attraction to young girls, apparently stems back to his youth, too.
Bell grew up in the Bath, S.D., area, north of Aberdeen, near Frederick. His father was physically disabled, confined to a wheelchair. Bell lived mostly with his grandparents in the Bath area.
Connie Groop remembers Bell from his days at high school in Frederick, S.D., just north of Frederick; S.D. Bell, while a junior or senior in the high school, molested a girl in first or second grade on a school bus, said Groop, associate news editor at the Aberdeen American News. "It was a girl in my daughter's class," Groop said Saturday. "That's why I remember it."
The incident, which happened in the mid-1980s, was not brought to law enforcement's attention, but everyone in the community was made aware of it, Groop said.
Bell often was picked on by other youths, too, as well as making trouble himself, Groop said. Bell's parents "had trouble of some kind," Groop said, "and they didn't have and didn't do a lot of things a lot of families do together."
People who knew Bell said he had a charming side, but also a volatile temper that erupted in violence.
By the early 1990s, Bell had fathered children by three different women and owed child support to them, said Harvey Oliver, state's attorney for Brown County, seated in Aberdeen, S.D. When Bell inherited $15,000 from relatives, the state of South Dakota took the money to give to the children, Oliver said. That transaction happened while Bell was in jail in North Dakota in 1993, facing trial for sex crimes.
Bell was convicted in 1994 for molesting two girls, ages 8 and 3, in incidents in which he coaxed them to pose unclothed for suggestive photographs. He was sentenced to 30 years for that and during that trial confessed to killing Jeanna North in Fargo, police say. Milbrandt wasn't suprised when Bell first was suspected in North's death.
Nothing about Bell's escape last week surprises Milbrandt, either. "He was an uncontrollable prisoner. He fought everytime, not physically, but mentally. He wouldn't adhere to anything," Milbrandt said. "You have these special inmates you need to watch, and he was one of them."
Milbrandt has been tipped by law enforcement officials searching for Bell to keep an eye out for him, he might be headed back to Brown County. Bell has an ex-wife in Aberdeen, and likely children, as well as other family members.
"Law enforcement needs to be very careful if they do come in contact with him," Milbrandt said. "He's a dangerous person. He's going to serve life in prison, he's got nothing to lose. That's what scares me."
In my opinion this is the kind of slime ball who murdered JonBenét.

 
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6 . "Not controlled enough"
Posted by mousey on Oct-19-99 at 08:15 AM (EST)
Quote:Same "interests" though.

 
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7 . "Kyle Bell's Denver Trip"
Posted by Bluefire on Oct-19-99 at 09:19 AM (EST)
Quote:You are right Mousey, this slime was in jail in SD at the time anyway.
Nevertheless you can see how easy it is for this sort of monster to move around, set up camp with some woman,.... its a fairly clear picture of the type we are looking for. I suggest that any semi-transients who lived in cheap housing near the Ramseys be investigated. I have always believed that the person who killed JonBenét used a young woman as cover, or as a conspirator. This young woman should perhaps be offered immunity or a light sentence for coming forward at this time?
Bell in Denver
"According to Pederson, Bell is a friendly likable man who showed investigators that he had a temper, but did not appear dangerous."
"Pederson said Bell is smart and could be quick to build a new life somewhere far from North Dakota. He said Bell jumped bail several years ago while he was awaiting trial on the child molestation charges unrelated to the North murder. They found Bell in Denver a few months later, already living with a girlfriend who had a baby of her own.
Pederson said the woman returned with Bell while he stood trial, but returned to her home in Colorado afterward, and likely won't want to have anything to do with Bell."

 
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8 . "Bluefire"
Posted by Misty on Oct-19-99 at 09:29 AM (EST)
Quote:LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-99 AT 09:34 AM (EST)
In your data base, is there a common factor that the children were killed away from the house? In child abductions (pedophiles), the child is usually killed away from the house and the body is found (I think I have this right), on average, within 200 yards of the murder site.

 
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9 . "Neighborhood Perverts"
Posted by Bluefire on Oct-19-99 at 10:14 AM (EST)
Quote:The problem with my data base is that it only includes missing children, or those missing children who have been found or the perp caught, tried and convicted. These are abducted children so by definition they would be further away than 50 feet from the point of abduction. I believe that JonBenét would legally be considered an abducted child under traditional legal definitions if it were proven that she was removed from her bed to the basement by lure or by force, because it is more than 50 feet. Jonbenét was, in the traditional legal definbition, abducted.
But yes, most murdered abducted children are found within a 1/4 mile of their home. Many, for example, are taken to the neighbor's house (where the perp lives, usually semi-transient) which may be accross the street, or to a vacant lot near the house, or to the basement of an apartment, or an abandoned building. Then, unfortunately, there are perps with cars who lure, or grab a child off the street. Often the victim's body is never found in this case. So my data (vanished children) would be biased towards longer distances.
Now I think this brings up an interesting point:
JonBenét was removed from her bed and either lured or carried to the basement which was two floors down in a house the size of a small apartment building. The crime was committed in the basement. It is technically an abduction because the child was mover more than 50 feet to the site where she was assaulted and murdered. Noone has ever reported seeing a suspicious automobile. So I think it might be indicitive of an abduction by someone who lived close by who had no family except a girlfriend (perhaps accompolice)and no automobile.
The question is, what happened at the crime scene to cause the perpetrator to abandon the simple plan of stun gun the child and carry out to his rented space?? the party? the church service? perhaps it began to snow? or JonBenét resisted? Or the female accompolice got paranoid? the scream? something psychological? Some factor we've never considered?
A semi-transient neighbor hiding behind a girlfriend/accompolice (why are these women attracted to such monsters?) could have come from anywhere in the US (or abroad). He could have watched JonBenét and Burke play in the driveway or on the sidewalk, watched the family come and go and know their schedule, that they were rich. it would be easy to reconnitor the house, to break in when he/she they knew the house would be empty, to borrow the pad for an hour and return it. They would know that the Ramseys were lax in keeping the doors locked, might even be aware of where the key was hidden (most people hide their keys in such obvious places... they might as well leave the doors wide open IMO it would be safer). They would have had an opportunity to talk with JonBenét and Burke in what would have seemed an innocent exchange, "Whats your name little girl? Sure is a nice bike.... you know Santa is going to pay you a secret visit... " But how do you spell JonBenét?? Zjohnbenhey? The neighbor didn't know.
This theme of neighbor perverts killing children runs through so very many of these cases, I think, after hearing Maikai's report on the neighborhood, that this particular line of investigation needs to be followed through carefully. I would particularly look at anyone semi-transient whose girlfriend was the alibi.

 
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10 . "Another Mid-Night Burgler?"
Posted by mousey on Oct-19-99 at 11:10 AM (EST)
Quote:LAST EDITED ON Oct-19-99 AT 11:11 AM (EST)
Early morning stabbing reported in Boulder
Boulder Police are investigating a stabbing reported at 3:10 a.m. today at 1444 Folsom St.
The unknown suspect entered the victim's apartment through an unlocked door on a second story balcony. After the attack, the suspect fled in an unknown direction.
The 22-year-old victim is recovering at Boulder Community Hospital. She is reported to be in stable condition.
This is the second incident of a similar nature reported at this apartment complex since August. No suspect has been identified in either incident.
Police are urging residents to lock all doors and windows, and to report any suspicious activity in the area.
Although there is no known connection to other cases in Boulder, detectives will investigate whether today's attack may be related to other, similar incidents.
Anyone with information about the attack is asked to call Boulder Police Detectives at 303-441-3330.

 
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11 . "Rape-murder"
Posted by RHGC on Oct-19-99 at 11:15 AM (EST)
Quote:We had a somewhat similar case in Stamford 1n 1979, though the girl was 15. The rapist killed her when she said she would tell about the incident. I was serving in the state senate at the time and got passage of a bill making rape-murder a capital offense. Otherwise, the penalty for rape was not significantly different from murder and it encouraged the perp to kill the victim.

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  note - not handwriting
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-29-2018, 01:52 PM - Forum: Handwriting - Replies (2)

"pads of paper"
Posted by jams on Dec-24-99 at 00:04 AM (EST)

Quote:Seems that there were pads removed from the Ramsey house - at least two.
One was taken from the house at some point by Linda Hoffman Pugh - she gave it to investigators after the murder.
Another was taken from the house on the night of the party on December 23rd, 1996 - by none other than Fleet White.
Fleet was using a notepad to take notes while he was on the telephone. He took the pad with him when he left to go to Denver International Airport that evening, since all of his notes were on the pad.
Now, I don't happen to think either Fleet or Linda killed JonBenét Ramsey - but I want to let people know there WERE pads floating around.
Could someone have taken a pad from the house and returned it? Apparently the answer to that is "Yes."

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  guests at Christmas party 12/23/1996
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-28-2018, 11:12 PM - Forum: odds and ends - Replies (4)

 
 
      People at the Ramsey's Christmas party Dec. 23, 1996, 5pm-8pm
 
      * John and Patsy Ramsey, Burke, JonBenét
      * Don Paugh
 
      * Fleet and Priscilla White, daughter (5-6), son (7-8)
      * Mr. & Mrs. R.A. Brown (Priscilla's parents)
      * Cliff Gaston, boyfriend of Priscilla's sister, Allison Shoeny (attended alone, without his
      girlfriend) Said to be from California
      * Bill Cox, husband of Priscilla's niece Heather. (attended alone, without his wife) Said
      to be from California
 
      * John and Barbara Fernie, son (10), daughter (14-15?)
      * Friend of the Fernies - male (about 9)
 
      * Glen and Susan Stine, son (9)
      * Susan's mother
      * Glen's mother
 
      * Larry and Pinkie Barber, daughter (10?), son (6?)
 
      * Joe and Betty Barnhill
      * Their tenant Glenn Meyer said he was there
 
      * Linda Hoffman-Pugh, Ariana (12)
 
      * Bill and Janet McReynolds

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