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  Other garrote murders
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 04-06-2017, 03:58 PM - Forum: Cord ligature - Garrote - No Replies

Recently, I started researching about Garrotes.. the history... looking into murder cases where others were killed by a garrote.

I found a really interesting article about a  nurse murdered in 1979.

It was a cold case.

No fingerprints'

Local police NEVER investigated a murder like this one.

Sounds familiar...

Lead “Dateline” correspondent Keith Morrison has told dozens of tales of murder, but even he hadn’t encountered grisly details like those of the brutal slaying of Torrance nurse Lynne Knight in 1979.

“Never have I encountered a garrote in a domestic crime, in a local crime that was committed in this way,” Morrison said in an interview Thursday. “It flummoxed everybody. They couldn’t figure it out. There were no fingerprints. It was pre-DNA. It drifted along for all those many years.”

The quest by a cold-case prosecutor and Torrance police detectives to solve the three-decades-old killing will be recounted tonightin a two-hour “Dateline” segment at 9 p.m. on NBC. In August, a jury convicted Knight’s former boyfriend, Douglas Bradford, of first-degree murder, despite his years of claiming he was sailing in the Alamitos Bay on Aug. 29, 1979, when someone slipped into Knight’s Anza Avenue home and mutilated her.

A homemade garrote built with wooden mop handles and picture-hanging wire lay hidden under her body. The device was built so strongly that it failed during the crime, slicing a gash so deep into Knight’s neck that she could breathe through it. Her killer extinguished her pig-like sounds for help by stabbing her in the leg, rupturing her femoral artery and ending her life.
Morrison said “Dateline” built its own garrote for the show.
“I’m holding it right now in my hands,” Morrison said, finishing up the production. “What occurs to you immediately — there is a lot of work that goes into it. You’ve got to cut the dowels, drill the holes, sand them down, carefully put the wire through, double it. Somebody put several hours effort into it, knowing they were going to use this weapon.”

The 28-year-old Canadian nurse hadn’t been in Torrance long. She moved to California to take a job at Little Company of Mary Hospital, working in the neonatal unit. She rented an apartment in a converted garage.
Bradford, an engineering student at Cal State Long Beach, met her while skiing. They dated for a few months. But the relationship ended when he wanted to be exclusive and she didn’t.
During his trial in July and August, witnesses recalled Bradford stalking her apartment, driving past it in his orange 240Z. One night he burst into the apartment and angrily threw a lamp at Knight because she was entertaining another man.

Although police had the garrote, and suspected Bradford committed the crime, detectives could not build enough evidence to prosecute him. Bradford claimed to be sailing at 10:30 that night and having to paddle in to the shore when the wind died.
The case went unsolved.
“I personally worked nine homicides as the lead or co-lead,” said retired Torrance police Capt. Emilio Paerels, who was called to assist at the murder scene with the lead investigator, Gary Hilton. “This was the only one that wasn’t solved. To me, this one was a bugaboo. But the problem is you know who it is. In your heart, you know you’ve identified the suspect, but you’ve gotten to a point where you know it is cold.”

In the early 2000s, Torrance police detectives reopened several unsolved cases, including Knight’s murder. Paerels, working with Deputy District Attorney John Lewin, reinterviewed the witnesses. Now retired Torrance Detective Jim Wallace visited Bradford’s mother at her house in Orange County. He noticed two facts that detectives at the beginning did not: Bradford’s mother was an artist who hung her paintings on the wall with metal wire. Some had hung there for decades.
The mother also used wooden dowels for security locks on her windows.

Tests revealed the wire was the same kind used in the garrote found at the murder scene. Bradford was arrested May 13, 2009. The wire played a central role in the trial.
Famed O.J. Simpson lawyer Robert Shapiro defended Bradford, who chose not to take the witness stand to testify. Shapiro told the jury that Bradford was innocent, and presented his sailing alibi. Lewin countered that with weather and sailing experts, who described how the wind patterns that night did not corroborate his story.
Jurors came back with a verdict Aug. 14, providing relief to Knight’s father, sister and other family members who had waited so long to hear the word “guilty.” Bradford was scheduled to be sentenced to 26 years to life in prison next week, but Shapiro on Thursday requested that the proceeding be postponed until December.

Morrison said he interviewed family members and retired detectives for the program, which fittingly is called “The Wire.” Morrison said he wished Bradford would have consented to an interview.
For “Dateline,” the Knight case had all the necessary elements for a good mystery, including the fact it became Wallace’s last case, and the last trial for Shapiro, “all getting together in the same courtroom where Shapiro assisted in the acquittal of O.J. Simpson.”
“It’s a very compelling program,” Morrison said. “I wound up, as sometimes one does in these cases, particularly in this one, wishing I had had a chance to know the victim. Seems like a really quite terrific young woman — as long as she was allowed to live.

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  John Ramsey on their friendship
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-06-2017, 12:46 PM - Forum: Fleet and Priscilla White - Replies (1)

starting from page 306 of the paperback edition of "the Death of Innocence": 

"As was the case with most of our social friendships, Patsy had met Priscilla and
her children first.  Their kids were almost the same ages as JonBenet and Burke.  Later, Fleet and I were introduced into an already blooming friendship. When we first met, they were renting a small house, two doors up the street from us.  The Whites told us that they had left California because they felt the fast life around Newport Beach was a poor place to raise children.  They had originally thought of moving to Aspen, where Fleet's parents had a home and where Fleet and Priscilla and their children had spent considerable time.  But even Aspen didn't suit what they were looking for.  Ultimately, they settled in Boulder after Fleet drove there one day and decided it was the perfect community for them. Our children became instant friends and enjoyed frequent trips to and from each other's houses, which they could accomplish on their own with complete freedom, via backyards or front sidewalks. That was one of the benefits of a small town, I thought.  Priscilla was a fun-loving, California girl who liked to entertain and had a good sense of humor.  She and Patsy quickly hit it off, and they enjoyed each other's company. 
 The moms soon discovered that Fleet and I shared a penchant for sailing, as well.  It is rare that dads and moms and both children synchronize so easily.  Both sets of parents were older, and that added to the similarities.
 "The newspapers later would refer to Fleet as an oil magnate.  His father, Fleet White, Sr., was reported to have had a natural gas drilling company in California.  He may have worked for his dad for a period of time before coming to Colorado, but as far as I know, Fleet did not work at a steady job during the time I knew him in Boulder.  At one point he was trying to help his dad clean up some environmental issues at a gas station they owned in California, and he spoke of trying to get something started with some Denver businessman.
"Fleet was mainly my sailing buddy.  He occasionally talked of being an ardent sailor in the Newport Beach area and proudly displayed many models of the sailboats he had raced.  He spoke of a silver loving cup which bears his name and is on permanent display at the Newport Beach Yacht Club.  He was a very experienced sailor.  I was not.  I could learn a great
deal from him.  Whenever we were together, sailing was our singular topic of conversation. Since he didn't have a nine-to-five job as I did, Fleet was free to be the coordinator of logistics for our sailing ventures."

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Posted by: jameson245 - 04-04-2017, 09:56 PM - Forum: John Ramsey - biography - Replies (1)

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in happier days

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  Jim Marino
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-04-2017, 09:54 PM - Forum: Ramsey family FRIENDS - Replies (14)


Jim Marino They were loads of fun too. I've been friends since the 70's back to johns original marriage. I was with John when Beth was run over by a Mack truck. I was with him when Jon Benet was murdered. He's fine now. We talked last week. Jon Benet had Patsy ' s eyes. They were regular folks till that Christmas. What would you do in that circumstance? I defended the family to a fault on Geraldo, the view, people mag etc etc. sad and still haunts me

Jim Marino Well we will never know what culpability they have in the matter. However it doesn't matter above the love I have always had for those two

Jim Marino Kathy Buck Lezovich - not sure what that is? I was not an informant because I was surprised at the murder the same as everyone else. I defended all the crazy speculation against them... it was a nightmare.

Jim Marino Thats me and wife above John and Patsy at our company Christmas party a couple of years before

Jim Marino my position hasn't change and I have moved on. I think there will always be questions about the ransom note etc.... but its all speculation., The family has all been cleared so we have to leave it there.

all of the friends and employees were suspects till all were cleared, including me.

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  For James Guill
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-04-2017, 03:54 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (3)

[/url]who says there is no intruder evidence.

I have to ask what you have been reading and watching - - sure not the depositions or police reports, the crime scene photos or any number of GOOD sources of information.  I fear you have entered into the BORG Twilight Zone ane need to find your way back to the light and some truth.

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James Guill No intruder evidence. Every time I ask for this alleged intruder evidence, I am given things that have been thoroughly debunked. You guys always try to twist it to fit your intruder theory. It's not there. Grand Jury indicted after looking at all of the evidence for over a year!
James Guill I've made my case repeatedly, Kathy. The basement window, shoe prints, finger/palm prints, hairs, DNA, stun gun etc.. The police report also says all doors were locked and no signs of entry at any window. If there was an intruder, he had a key. And Patsy wrote that ransom note. No doubt about it.

Starting at the beginning - - if you take one piece of evidence at a time and research it here - on webbsleuths.org - you may find you can find more intruder evidence than you can handle.

From the stun gun - the marks, the interviews with Mike Doberson - the experiments he has done - the other cases he worked on - - - to the list of "things to do" that came out of the Police meetings - - one being find out who OWNED these stun guns back then.  To the interview with the manufacturer.  That stun gun is no theory - - but as you made clear in that other discussion, you really don't care.

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James Guill There is no proof that anyone else was in the house that night! Where's your proof?? To say that someone COULD'VE been, is not proof that there was someone!
l All that exists is a mountain of circumstantial inculpatory evidence implicating the family! No evidence of anyone else having been there! You have nothing.

[url=https://www.facebook.com/melinda.soppel?fref=ufi]Melinda Soppel then invited James Guill to read a thread on Evidence of Intruder

jameson askd - Care to guess his response?    Wait no longer.

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James Guill No thanks.

jameson - "THIS is the BORG mentality.  Don't try to confuse their set minds with facts.  They like being BORG and, damn it, they will NOT be unassimilated!"

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  Isabel Celis
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-04-2017, 03:35 PM - Forum: OTHER children taken from their beds - No Replies

The body of 6 year old Isabel Celis was found 5 years after being taken from her Arizona bed.
April, 2017

 6-year-old Isabel Celis - taken from her bed in Tucson, Arizona,
police found her remains in a remote area
DNA analysis did confirm that the remains were those of Isabel Celis

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Isabel was last seen by her family about 11 p.m. on Friday, April 20, 2012.

Her father discovered that she was missing at 8 a.m. the next morning - a broken screen was found in her bedroom.

In that case, the police did go to the media with some case against the parents but said
“We’re labeling it as suspicious circumstances and a possible abduction.”

In the statement after confirming Isabel’s death, Tucson police said they “will continue to actively pursue those responsible for any involvement in Isabel’s disappearance and death, and will pursue prosecution to the highest level possible.”
Officials will not be releasing further details at this time since that “could have unintended consequences,” police said.
“As we move forward in our investigation, we will release additional details as they become available.”

Tucson police are still asking anyone with information about this case to please call 88-CRIME. Tips can be anonymous.
While confirmation of Isabel’s death “may provide some degree of closure,” the police statement reads, “this also sadly ends the hope of bringing Isabel home safely to her family.”

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  and some newer ones
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-04-2017, 11:54 AM - Forum: Questions FOR Borg - Replies (1)

Jinks Obs wrote - "If my theory serves me right..then     There's dna of Hispanic. African-American native American and caucasian. The cover up of this crime is beyond heinous    Sorry to tell you this idis but the ramseys are definitely involved. They could have told the truth but decided not too. So apparently they want to be up shits creek without a paddle."

So, everyone has the right to have a theory - and I clearly think Jimks is off. 

I have not seen any report that indicates there is DNA from African American or Native American - - but I clearly don't have every bit of evidence out there - - so my question to Jinks is this - - -

Can you tell us the source of this information and make a real case against any member of the family?  I ask because I see a HUGE list of exculpatory evidence and think you are making this stuff up as you go along.

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  For Pam and Evelyn
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-03-2017, 12:49 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (3)

No, I am not interested in entering a private chat with either of you as BORG tends to edit then share.  So I will answer here.

A healthy person maintains control over themselves and doesn't feel a great need to force themselves on others, to be in control of others.    A psychopath can't be happy with controlling hirself - - hir has to control others.  In some circumstances, simple control is not enough, they have to HURT the other person. Sadistic psychopaths can hurt others financially, emotionally, physically... it brings them joy to know they caused that pain.

Are ALL of them totally unhappy all the time?  No, but even a period of time in their lives could have set up a habit that just feels good to them.

(Pam, I don't know if they like pain during sex but suspect your good friend Laurence might help you with that one.)

Since my energy in this case is spent educating people to the truth, encouraging those entrusted to solving this to do better, trying to raise funds to help advance the DNA investigation - - - - - and I am NOT trying to hurt ANYONE while I do that - - I don't think I am at all the same as those who have total disregard for the facts and just go about trying to hurt the efforts of others to see this solved.

Am I calling YOU a psychopath?  Nope.  I have my questions but honestly don't care enough about either of you, or the others, to take my focus off the case - - that trumps all beyond my family.

Going to be hard to copy and paste this and change it.  But feel free to copy and pasts as it is.  I have no problem with that.  Hope I answered your question.  No private chats.

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  one book review
Posted by: jameson245 - 04-02-2017, 06:35 PM - Forum: Ruled In: Solving the JonBenét Ramsey Case - No Replies

Apr 11, 2015 Bob Buice rated it did not like it
Recommends it for: No one
What can we say about a writer who refuses to disclose his/her name and a book that has to be self-published. Is the author concerned about something? Could it be that no other publisher would touch it? In “Ruled IN – Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case” an author identified as “DocG” determines unequivocally that John Ramsey is the murderer of his daughter, JonBenet, no ifs, ands or buts. The author goes through a long, boring comparison of handwriting, contradicting several experts, to show that What can we say about a writer who refuses to disclose his/her name and a book that has to be self-published. Is the author concerned about something? Could it be that no other publisher would touch it? In “Ruled IN – Solving the JonBenet Ramsey Case” an author identified as “DocG” determines unequivocally that John Ramsey is the murderer of his daughter, JonBenet, no ifs, ands or buts. The author goes through a long, boring comparison of handwriting, contradicting several experts, to show that John Ramsey wrote the ransom note. By the time the reader gets half way through all this rhetoric, he/she is thoroughly confused, if not asleep. The author uses the autopsy report to accuse John Ramsey of sexually molesting JonBenet, claiming that the report indicates “digital penetration.” While the report did, in fact, report damages to the vaginal area, which several experts indicated were consistent with past and present sexual molestation, the term “digital penetration” was not used. In all fairness to DocG, considerable evidence against John Ramsey was presented, but I suggest interpreting it with caution, given DocG’s determination to convict John Ramsey. DocG says that an intruder could not have entered through the notorious basement window because the spider webs and dust were not disturbed. Other reports say just the opposite. Much has been written about the JonBenet Ramsey case and many reports contradict each other. Nobody knows the truth. If you are interested in a scholarly analysis of the evidence to reach a solution to this crime, forget it. However, if you like a one-sided fantasy, whose decision is presented at the beginning, followed by a careful selection of evidence to support this conclusion, this book is for you.

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  LMAO !!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 04-01-2017, 09:40 AM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - Replies (2)

[–]Debbiecass34 2 points 15 hours ago 
Susan one of the donations made on the go fund me is denying she made the donation she didn't donate and is claiming her name is being used her profile etc. She did go to school with Burke but that's the full extent of it."


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