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  straydog77
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-04-2019, 07:54 AM - Forum: just BORG hate - Replies (5)

straydog77 is on Reddit and he posted today.  I want to respond to that post but want to document his lynch mob bs here.
My responses are in CAPS.

The Ramseys' closest family friends prior to the killing--Fleet and Priscilla White, who were actually [i]with the Ramseys[/i] on Christmas night 1996--believe the Ramseys were involved with Jonbenet's death.

ACTUALLY, THEY HAVE NEVER SAID THAT.  I HAVE FLEET WHITE'S SEALED DEPOSITION, IT WAS PUBLIC FOR A SHORT TIME, AND HE SURE DIDN'T SAY THAT.   IMO, HE WAS OVERWHELMED AND MISGUIDED BY BORG STEVE THOMAS, BUT THAT DOESN'T MATTER.  WHAT MATTERS IS THAT HE HAS NEVER SAID HE THOUGHT THE RAMSEYS WEREE GUILTY.  PRISCILLA NEVER ADDRESSED THE SUBJECT IN ANY PUBLIC FORUM BUT I HAVE BEEN TOLD SHE ALSO NEVER ACCUSED EITHER PARENT.


The housekeeper--Linda Hoffman-Pugh, who spent more time in that home than anyone else who was not a member of that family--believes the Ramseys were involved with Jonbenet's death.


AFTER SHE LOST HER JOB, NEEDED MONEY AND GOT SEDUCED BY THE TABLOID PRESS, INCLUDING PETER BOYLES AND DARNAY HOFFMAN, SHE SURE DID GO FOR THEIR THROATS, BUT I WOULD SHARE HER EARLIER ACCOUNT - - THIS FOUND IN LARRY SCHILLER'S BOOK, PERFECT MURDER, PERFECT TOWN.

PMPT Page 198-202

Linda Hoffman-Pugh Story

"I was born in Lyons, Kansas, and my dad was a poor wheat farmer. I had three brothers and one sister. I'm the youngest, and one of my brothers is twenty-three years older than me. He's a welder, with his own construction business in Fort Morgan, Colorado.

When I was thirteen we moved to Fort Morgan because my dad wasn't doing well. He went to work for my brother as a ditch digger. My dad was an alcoholic. He died in 1986. My mother was forty-one when she had me. I have six living kids. Ten grandchildren. And a paper route.

I have my ladies, the women I work for. I have a doctor's wife in Greeley, and a lawyer. I was working for a bonded agency called Merry Maids when I met Patsy. I started with her one day a week. I was dumbfounded, the place was so huge. It was too much for one person. Soon we had four people, once a week.

Patsy was warm and kind. Just a sweet person. But she had a hard time keeping up the laundry. She was doing lots of charity work and was involved with her children's schooling.

Then I went to work for her three days a week, $72 a day. Monday, Wednesday, Friday. I'd get there at 9:00 in the morning and be gone by 3:00. That's when my daughter Ariana gets out of school. Sometimes I worked for Patsy on Saturdays and holidays. She gave me a $300 bonus at the end of my first year. That was October 27, 1996

Patsy was afraid she wasn't going to live, that her cancer would come back and she'd never live to see the children grow up. She read a lot about illness and healing. Every three months she had a checkup. She believed if she prayed, everything would be all right. Patsy admired John. He accomplished a lot. She told me that when they started out they had nothing, and they worked themselves up to where they were now.

I first met JonBenet when she was in preschool. She was home, like, half a day. Patsy called her Jonnie B. I spent half my time picking up after her. She and her brother would just leave everything on the floor-their socks, their shoes, toys, books, just everything. They were never trained to put things away properly.

I always came in the side door, and I'd walk right into the kitchen and not know where to start. Dishes all over. If they had Ovaltine, the jar would still be open. I always had to wipe the peanut butter off the counter. "I think we ought to get a hamper," I told Patsy.

"Yeah, that sounds good," she answered. But we never got one.

"Linda is not here to pick up," Patsy's mother would say.

"She's here to clean. How do you expect her to do a good job if she's picking up?"

"OK, Mom, I'll work it out."

Patsy's clothes went into the laundry chute. I never had to pick up after John. Maybe once- a pair of shoes. Patsy changed purses once a week. She'd lay her purse on the spiral staircase and I'd clean it out and put it in the closet. She had maybe forty of them , and even more pairs of shoes. I think the problem with the children was they didn't have any responsibility. They were spoiled.

Burke had this red Scout knife and always whittled. He'd never use a bag or paper to catch the shavings. He'd whittle all over the place. I asked Patsy to have a talk with him. She answered, "Well I don't know what to do other than take the knife away from him." After Thanksgiving I took that knife away from him and hid it in the cupboard just outside JonBenet's room. That's how that problem was solved.

These weren't naughty children. They dressed themselves, and Patsy did JonBenet's hair. All her daughter's clothes were organized in drawers. Turtlenecks in one drawer, pants in another, nighties and panties in one, socks in another. Dates on all their underclothes.

"Just go away and leave me alone," JonBenet said when I tried to help her with her boots. Sometimes she acted like a spoiled brat.

"No, don't you answer the door," she'd say when someone went to open it at a luncheon Patsy gave. "I'm answering the door."

JonBenet spent a lot of her time sitting on her bed watching Shirley Temple movies on her VCR. She loved them all.

She also loved being in pageants. If she didn't want to go, Patsy didn't make her. Nedra used to bring lots of things for JonBenet to wear. Nedra did most of the pageant planning. JonBenet would have to practice singing and dancing. Nedra and Patsy's sister, Pam would decorate JonBenet's shoes, her gloves, put sequins on her hats. Some dresses were made from scratch, but they had fun altering most things. They prepared differently for each pageant. Sometimes it would take a month. They were always reworking something.

JonBenet played a lot with Daphne, the White's little girl. They were real close. And Burke had his friends, the Walker and Stine children. When the Ramseys traveled, I started taking the children's dog, Jacques home with me. It would always yip, yip, yip, and I couldn't take it. Joe Barnhill, the elderly neighbor from across the street started watching Jacques, and they got attached to each other. before long the dog was always running across the street to the Barnhill's house. Jacques started staying over there, and when JonBenet wanted to see her dog, she went over and played with him.

In the summer of "96, JonBenet started wearing those diaper type underpants-Pull-Ups. She even wore them to bed. There was always a wet one in the trash. By the end of the summer, Patsy was trying to get her to do without them. Then JonBenet started wetting the bed again. Almost every day I was there, there was a wet bed. Patsy said she wasn't going to use Pull-Ups again. She just put a plastic cover on the bed. No big deal to her. By the time I'd come in the morning, Patsy would have all the sheets off the bed and in the laundry. JonBenet's white blanket would already be in the dryer. The Ramseys had two washer-dryers-one in the basement and a stackable unit in a closet just outside JonBenet's room.

Patsy started taking a painting class, and JonBenet drew a lot with crayons and markers. People and flowers. They had a big easel, but most of the time JonBenet painted on a card table in the butler's kitchen. Patsy had her paints and brushes in a white paint tote. Sometimes she asked me to take her paints down to the basement. "I don't want to see it." On the day of the Ramseys' Christmas party, I took the paint tote downstairs.

Evenings were for the family. They did homework and had dinner together. Patsy worked on school projects with the kids. She was always doing something for the children on her computer. She read to them at bedtime. Sometimes she asked me to baby-sit if she couldn't find a sitter. Patsy spent a lot of time alone in the house while John was away on business. She never kept a baseball bat under the bed, or Mace. Never even set the alarm. She didn't like it, because it went off accidentally and it drove the police crazy.

The last month I was there, nothing was different. Patsy went to New York with her family and some friends. JonBenet even ice skated at Rockefeller Center. When they came back, they got ready for another pageant. Patsy was always putting things off until the last minute.

On December 23, JonBenet was playing with makeup.

"JonBenet, you are not going anywhere with all that on," Patsy told her. "You take some of it off." JonBenet did.

At one o'clock she went to play with some friends and was back by four o'clock. Late that afternoon she didn't want to wear a dress for their Christmas party. Patsy got a little agitated. Finally, JonBenet put on a velvet one with short sleeves.

I stuck around with my daughter Ariana to see Santa. We hadn't planned to stay, so Ariana wasn't dressed up. Patsy gave my daughter a Christmas sweater and a vest. Even lent her a pair of her shoes. At the last minute, Patsy wrote a little verse about Ariana for Santa to read.

At 5:30 P.M. Santa showed up. By then the Barnhills, the Fernies, the Stines, Pinky Barber, and the Whites, who came with Priscilla's parents, had all arrived. maybe eight couples and their children. Most of the men gathered by the spiral staircase. John made drinks for everybody from the butler's kitchen. The kids played in the living room by the big Christmas tree. That's where Santa read his litle verses about everyone. This year, Mrs. Claus was there too, Santa looked kind of sick.

I was supposed to come back the next day, December 24, and clean up. I called Patsy and said I couldn't. I told her I had a fight with my sister and needed some money to pay the rent. I asked Patsy for a $2,000 loan. I told her I would pay it back $50 each week. She didn't hesitate. "Sure." Said she'd leave it for me on the kitchen counter for my next regular visit on December 27.

The more I think about it, JonBenet could not have been killed by a stranger. I didn't even know that room was there. How could a stranger know to go there? How in the world did this happen?

-Linda Hoffman Pugh"

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  Bryan Morgan
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 10:00 PM - Forum: Names to remember - No Replies

from JonBenet's America

           Bryan Morgan: The object is to boost ratings, the object is to sell magazines or newspapers, pick up any issue of the tabloids that you wish and ask yourself, is this a reasoned way to proceed on an emotional question of guilt or innocence in a civilized society. I think there is just one answer to that.

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  Media on the stories told
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 09:48 PM - Forum: Misleading the media - Replies (1)

from JonBenet's America

          At the main daily newspaper in Boulder, the editor has watched coverage of the Ramsey murder with increasing alarm.
           Barrie Hartman - Editor, Daily Camera: One of the main feelings we've had in the news business is that there is too many stories - If the tabloids report it and we feel that we have to report it and that has caused some problems and JonBenet was a good example of that. I think a lot of the information the tabloids had, whether it was right or wrong, became fact because the rest of us picked it up.
           Julie Hayden: This is one of the things I've thought about. I've thought about,  is this fair - Is what I'm doing right or wrong - And I will admit there have been times when I have felt bad and I have thought, this is not fair. This is not fair the way we're handling the whole thing.
           Hartman: We're looking at ourselves - We've want to be believed - We think the most important thing  for our readers is believability. If we give that up, we sacrifice that for any one story, it hurts us.
           Julie Hayden: I think we do what we can, at least I know sometimes I sort of put the brakes on and say  no we're not going to go with that, we're not going to report that. But there are a lot of pressures and somebody else reports it and my boss turns around and looks at me and says, 'how come we don't  have that?' If people don't watch my newscasts then I lose my job, the station folds, and we all go hungry.
           Man: There is concern on all sides of the Ramsey case about the impact of these pressures. And about the use law enforcement made of the media through leaks which journalists repeated unchecked.  Even those helping Boulder's DA decide what should happen, like neighboring DA Bob Grant, believe justice itself is at risk.
           Bob Grant: I think it's eroded  by the way the  journalistic ethics have been eroded - public consumption of mass media has made people come to some conclusion about a particular criminal case without having heard evidence in court. I think that is corrupted.

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  w/ media
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 06:51 PM - Forum: Ramsey cooperation - No Replies

   Man: The Ramseys left Atlanta to return to Boulder to help with the police investigation.  But as they did so, the real nightmare was just beginning. A video of JonBenet taking part in a beauty pageant had just appeared on American television. It was to lead to the most terrible accusations of all.
          On their return to Boulder, Thursday, Jan 4th, the Ramseys moved in with friends. They were  immediately besieged by the media who were now building the third element of the case against them. News stories appeared reporting the police views that JonBenet had been sexually abused at the time of her murder. With pageant images already circulating, the implications  her parents may have sexually abused JonBenet turned the story into a media firestorm. Soon there were over 300 reporters in Boulder pursuing the Ramseys and everything the couple did counted against them, even an effort to help the press.
            John Ramsey: The arrangement was made, uh - look if we give you the opportunity to take their picture  - will you leave them alone.  What we agreed to was we would come out of the front door of the church and walk to the community center and not try to shield ourselves from being photographed.
 

          Man: However, during the service, the minister had suggested to the congregation  that they should line the pavement as a gesture of support.
 


Penny Beuf: We were wanting to protect them because they'd been through so much grief already and we felt that this was not the time or the place and so the congregation basically tried to shield them from that sort of thing. That's what happened.

Man: It proved another disaster for the Ramseys. It was reported as a cynical attempt to manipulate public opinion. What had actually happened was never reported. Instead, media pressure intensified. Mainstream journalists followed the tabloids. The Ramseys pulled in readers and pushed up ratings.
Kurtis: Media discovered the Ramseys pulled in readers. Newsweek put JonBenét on the cover. So did People Magazine. It was the cover story even in London's Sunday Times which called it the "Kiddie-Porn Killing". And television too discovered the Ramseys were good for ratings.
Peter Boyles on American Journal: Almost every tape you see JonBenét either in a Los Vegas showgirl suit or doing a semi-striptease. In spite of what someone is going to say, that there's something the matter with people who see it that way, there's something the matter with people who let that stuff happen to their kids and don't think anything's wrong with it.

Charlie Brennan: Many members of the public are surprised that they hired even one lawyer so hiring two lawyers leaves them twice as suspicious of the same fact.
Boyles: They've hired a publicist, they've hired a couple Private Investigators...

Kurtis: However welcome media pressure on the Ramseys may have been to those who thought the couple guilty, it was not welcome to Boulder's then police chief Tom Koby.
Man: Everywhere in the media, the Ramseys were accused of obstructing the police.
Mike McFee (Denver Post): It's been two weeks since their daughter was murdered and in those two weeks we've seen only one highly orchestrated appearance by them hugging a bishop on the steps of a church.

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  quotes
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 06:21 PM - Forum: Mike Bynum - Replies (2)

From JonBenet's America

    Man: The Ramseys, now under police protection, were unaware of the mounting pressure but an
          attorney friend was already concerned.

          Mike Bynum: I showed up as John and Patsy's friend, although I was not initially thinking in terms of what help I should give them legally, I don't know what to say other than a sense of things, a sense of things going on around the house. The police going around the house, I just had a sense that they ought to have representation and I just said to John, will you trust me to do the right thing? And he  just said, yes I'll trust you.
          John: And I had no idea what he was talking about. Later, I don't remember if it was later that day or the next day, he said we're going to retain counsel for you and for Patsy. What in the world for - OK - We began to realize we're suspects and I was OK with that because I assumed it was a broad investigation.

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  Charlie brennan
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 06:17 PM - Forum: Names to remember - Replies (5)

who I consider a friend

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  from "JonBenet's America"
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 06:03 PM - Forum: December 26th - Replies (2)

Man: The following morning, Dec. 26th, the Ramseys got out of bed early in their third floor bedroom. They were due to take off from the local airport at half past seven. Patsy Ramsey says she went downstairs at about 5:30 to collect clothes together for the trip from the laundry cupboard just outside JonBenét's bedroom.
PR: I was fussing around with some clothes and glanced at her door and the door was closed. I always left it ajar a little bit. I just started downstairs - there were these pieces of paper lying on one of the rungs of the stairs. So I kind of turned around and looked at it to see what it was and I started reading the first couple lines. It just kinda wasn't registering but somewhere it said, 'we have your daughter. It clicked, you know, 'Your Daughter' and I just bounded back up the steps and threw her door open and she was not in her bed.
Man: The note, written on one of the Ramseys own notepads began, 'Listen carefully! We are a
group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. At this time we have your daughter.'
Patsy: And at this time I remember screaming to John, he was still upstairs dressing.
John: I knew something was very wrong. I came down and she had the note and I read it quickly
trying to take everything in. I screamed.
Patsy: You don’t know what to do - I mean, what do you do? You know you just don’t know what to do - What do I do? You’re just panicked.
.
John: You don’t know where to start.
.
Patsy: You don't know what to do. You're just insane. You can't think fast enough.
.
John: Somebody asked me later, what was the worst moment in all of this and that was the worst
moment. Suddenly realizing that someone had your daughter, your child, someone has taken her,
she’s gone and we didn’t know where she was and it was dark, it was cold outside.
Man: The ransom note said, speaking to anyone about your situation such as the police, FBI etc., will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies.

Patsy - "I said, 'I'm going to call the police and he said OK. And I think he ran to check on Burke.
And I ran downstairs and, you know, dialed 911."
.
John - "We had no choice. I mean, I would have gone mad sitting there hoping someone would call. We had to do something. I was ready to call out the Russian Army, the National Guard. Close the airport, let's close, cordon off the city. Those are the kinds of thoughts that were going through my head and we had to get the police involved to do that."
Patsy - "...and I said, you know, 'Send somebody over here quickly'. You know, I couldn't get it out fast enough."

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  quotes
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 05:49 PM - Forum: Glen and Susan Stine - Replies (4)

Susan Stine: I've always said I thought the Ramseys were the nicest people I ever knew and I say this 15-months after it happened that I'm more and more convinced that they're the nicest people I've ever known.  "JonBenet's America"

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  Reso kidnapping/murder
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 10:28 AM - Forum: Colorado crimes - Replies (4)

As the mystery of the whereabouts of Sidney J. Reso, the Exxon executive who disappeared nearly two months ago, deepened yesterday, new details emerged about a former Exxon security guard and his wife who were arrested Friday on charges of kidnapping.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation and New Jersey law-enforcement agencies maintained a wall of silence about where the 57-year-old president of Exxon International might be, or whether he had survived the ordeal that began outside his home in Morris Township, N.J., the morning of April 29.
But some information surfaced about the two suspects, suggesting that the recent failure of a business venture, the loss of their home and injuries from an auto accident several years ago left them with serious financial problems that followed them from New Jersey to Hilton Head, S.C., Vail, Colo., and back to New Jersey. 
4 Days of Tracking
The suspects charged in the kidnapping are Arthur D. Seale, a former police officer in Hillside, and Irene J. Seale, both 45, of Changewater in Hunterdon County, N.J. They were seized early Friday morning after four days of careful tracking by law-enforcement officials who followed a trail of ransom notes and telephone calls in three counties surrounding the Reso residence. The Seales are scheduled to appear in Federal court in Newark tomorrow for a bail hearing.
At the time of the Seales' arrest at a car rental agency in Hackettstown, investigators say they recovered two pairs of rubber gloves, a briefcase containing a 1985 directory of home addresses for Exxon executives and four laundry bags like the ones in which authorities say the ransom money was to have been packed.

But the F.B.I. declined to say whether any ransom money had been paid or recovered or how much the kidnappers had requested, except to say that the kidnappers had demanded millions of dollars in used $100 bills. There was also no indication of whether there had been an arrangement with the kidnappers for the exchange of Mr. Reso for the ransom, or whether such an arrangement had failed.

A friend of the Seales in Hilton Head said last night that Mr. Seale had been on the island visiting early last week and that the couple's son, Justin, who just completed his freshman year at Norwich University in Vermont, was still on the island staying with friends. The F.B.I. said on Friday that it had received a call last Monday from Pooler, Ga. -- about 30 miles west of Hilton Head -- on a cellular phone set up at the request of the kidnappers. In recent days, a former neighbor in Hilton Head said that Justin had told friends that his father had planned to start negotiations to buy a marina at the resort this summer.

Other friends and acquaintances of the Seales, many of whom refused to be identified, said that Mr. Seale grew up in Hillside, N.J., where his father, Arthur L. Seale, was an officer in the Hillside Police Department, retiring as a deputy chief in the late 1970's.

After the younger Mr. Seale graduated from Hillside High School in the mid-1960's, he worked briefly as a lifeguard before following his father and joining the Hillside Police Department. People acquainted with the family said the younger Mr. Seale was involved in a motor-vehicle accident while on duty and was injured, forcing him to retire on a disability pension.

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  From Acandyrose
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:58 PM - Forum: Found on other forums - Replies (1)

[b]2002-02-22: The Garden Party - (aka "Madhatters Garden Party")[/b]

THE GARDEN PARTY

This is what is known to some on the Internet as "The Garden Party" story. This story was sent to several anonymous posters, myself included. NOTHING is sacred on the Internet.

This story involves a person known as Rita Johnson who apparently attend this event. This story is not being told by Rita but was second hand to a third party. This story could be true and then again it could be rumor. It's just a story.

What you a re reading here is EXACTLY as this stor y was sent to me unedit ed. I can't verify the story other than some of the posters names mentioned were in fact posters on the JonBenet Ramsey Internet forums.

This story can, however be dated from the reference to when David Westerfield was arrested in the murder of Danielle Van Dam and that announcement came on February 22, 2002 at 10:45am in San Diego, California and the "CNN Transcript of the press conference" was posted on Jameson's WebbSleuth's forum by "Lovely Pigeon" at Feb-22-02 at 06:46 PM.




Begin of Story:

"She then told me she was at the get together at the Ramseys and how she became invited, and her version of that story. She told me she has known the Ramseys for 3 years or so. Said she met Patsy in a store in Atlanta, (where Rita also resides). It was a happenstance meeting and they both discussed painting. (Rita is a painter of nudes and landscapes). After much talking, they exchanged numbers. Patsy and Rita became "good friends" and that is how Patsy would introduce Rita to others when together. One day, Patsy asked Rita if she would like to get together to paint. Rita accepted . Patsy told her to meet her at the cemetary on such and such a day. R ita thought it was kind of odd to be meeting at a cemetary to paint, but she just went with it. So, Rita showed up a t the cemetary. She said it was odd because no one else was there. Just a pick up truck and some guy who had a ladder in the back.

She thought it was a maintainance man for the cemetary. She pulled up next to the truck and struck up conversation. She asked the guy in the truck, whom she later became to know as "Ellique" from the internet, if he was there to do some maintainance. He laughed and said "NO". He said "I am Ellique from the internet, and I am here to finally meet Jameson". Rita said (although she already knew) "Who is Jameson?", and Ellique said "What? You mean you don't know the infamous Jameson?" and Rita played along and said "no". Ellique said that jams should be there in a few minutes and then she could meet her too.

After about 15 minutes and some small talk between Rita and Ellique, Patsy pulls up with Jameson in her car. Patsy gets out and introduces Rita to Jameson as "this is my good friend Rita". Jameson shook Rita's hand, but the daggers were evident to Rita, as Jams not liking that Patsy had another "good friend". Jams just grabbed her box of angels and said "well, I have these angels to hang. They are from all over the world, sent to me to place in the tree". So Rita said "Oh, so you are going to hang all these angels?", and Jameson said "We do NOT use the word "hang", we say "place"!". So, Jams showed her rudness from the very beginning to Rita. Ellique just got out of his pick up and came over with the ladder and helped Jams get it set up by the tree.

Obviously Ellique had ALREADY met Jameson, and wasn't there to "finally meet Jameson" as he led Rita to believe. Rita thought it was odd that the ladder base was placed right on top of the grave of JB. She thought that was rude and should not have been done, but she noticed that Patsy said nothing, so she didn't either. Jams and Ellique just stayed to themselves. Rita felt like she was in the twilight zone. Jams then just opened the box of angels. Rita scoped them out. She told me that she noticed that the angels were all similar in size and make. She said "you know how you go to a store and buy angels all attached to a line or that are sold in bulk together in a box and they all have similar characteristics?" and I said "yeah", so she said "well, that is exactly what all these angels looked like".

She said NO WAY could they have been from "all over the world" or they wouldn't have all been so similar! What are the odds of people from all over the world sending similar angels? She said NO ONE noticed or spoke openly about it though, only she made the observation, but she didn't say anything, waiting to see if others noticed or would say, an no one did. Patsy was fiddling with flowers in the back of the car. Rita said that they all looked not so much in good shape and kind of worn out, like already grown and were fading. Rita felt she was in a dream or nightmare.

Rita was also wondering what kind of painting they would be doing when all this was going on and where would they paint? Rita just kept to herself and observed. So, another car pulls up. It is John Ramsey and the life councelor for Patsy. They were not introduced. So now it is Patsy, John, Life Councelor, Ellique, Jameson, and Rita. (I think that a couple of other women showed up from the church or something, but I am unclear on that right now - this conversation was long ago and I don't remember all that were there, possibly because little in the way of introductions were made). Anyway, the life councelor clung to Patsy.

John was talking about a murder that happened in some state where the guy was said to have burried the dead in their back yard or something, and Rita thought that was totally inappropriate to discuss at his own daughters gravesite. One of the ladies who showed up found an old pot of fake flowers on JB's site. When the woman asked Patsy what she wanted to do with it, Patsy just smirked and said "just chuck it!". Rita found this odd. Someone took the time to put something that would not die on JB's site, showing their own form of respect, and Patsy just says to chuck it? Rita found this whole meeting very bizarre. She said it was like Patsy's friends are in different groups and are all there for different reasons, one group not ever really knowing another, like litte packs in one corner here and one corner there, all only being told what she wants to tell them and the rest are unaware of what the others are doing and knowing. Just like whispering going on in each little group. Very bizarre.

So, in continuing, one woman just asked Patsy where she wanted to put the flowers she brought, and Patsy said something like "anywhere, just around the gravesite". So they began to plant and Jams continued to "place" angels. John just stood there and eventually just left, on his own, ALONE. No hellos and no good byes. So Patsy finally makes her way over to Rita, who has now been watching Jams "place" angels. Rita asked Jams if she could help, and Jams said "no". Then Patsy said to Rita, "I know I have asked you to paint with me today, and we will do that."

Then the life councelor said to Rita "NO, Patsy is to ill and she needs to rest, she will NOT be painting with anyone today". And then the counselor walked off to the car, Patsy's car. As the life counselor walked away, Patsy rolled her eyes and told Rita "We WILL be painting today. Come back to my house and we will paint there, ok?", and Rita said "ok". Patsy then made her way back to her car and left to go home with the counselor in tow, LEAVING Jams still placing angels in the tree, and leaving her stranded. Rita could only hear some small talk between Ellique and Jams. Nothing important, just stuff like "you want this one next Jams?" (meaning another angel), and jams would say yes. WELL, when Jams saw Patsy leave without her, Jams was furious. She blew a gasket. She practically took all the rest of the angels and threw them in the tree. She was done in seconds, showing how pissed she was.

Rita just stood there with Ellique. Rita did NOT want to bring Jams with her back to Patsy's, so Rita headed towards her car. Ellique just through the ladder in the back of his truck, and Jams seemed to be stranded. Ellique and Jams then made there way to Elliques truck. Rita poked her head out the window and said, "I will follow you", and they didn't answer her. Rita then followed them back to Patsy's, and she observed that Ellique and Jams were very chummy. Jams touching his shoulder as they spoke in the car, leaning in towards him to listen to him speak. Stuff like that. Also giving way to them NOT having met for the first time that day.

Ok, so now they are back at the house. The councelor had since left. I think she was brought home by John? Not clear on that. There was a small lunch at this point. Jams, Rita, and Patsy. Ellique left after dropping off Jams. Very little talk went on. Patsy just talked with Rita only, and talked of her paintings and their meanings. Rita said that Patsy was very interested in discussing and showing her paintings. Almost like an obsession. Jams was ignored. (So she was left flat by Patsy at the gravesite, in which they went there together, and then she was ignored at the house!) It was like Jams wasn't getting the hint to leave, Rita said. So, Jams got up from the table at one time. I guess to use the ladies room. When she left the table, Rita asked Patsy "what is with her?", and Patsy just said "I don't know. I know if it was her child, I wouldn't have been so interested as she is in JonBenet" and Patsy rolled her eyes before she said that.

Now Patsy and Rita get up from the table and Patsy begins to show Rita her paintings.....

The first painting that Patsy brings out is the one that was done by the woman from Michigan! The same woman who in DOI Patsy claimed she threw her off her land because they found out she was a reporter for a tabloid or her husband was. So, Rita was saying to herself, why is Patsy so proud to display a painting from this woman she supposedly hated enough to throw off her property. (Were they really friends to? Who knows.) Then Patsy brings out a bizarre painting. It is one in which there is one person, like a portrait, but it is Patsy and John joined in one face! Rita said it was so bizarre she really thought that Patsy had now lost it. She said the painting was enormously eery, and the meaning of the painting was supposed to show how John and Patsy merged due to the murder of JonBenet and became closer. But Rita said that painting really looked strange, like just really scary to look at, yet Patsy was so proud of her work. One face, but two faces merged? Then she showed Patsy the others, like the ones that "were" shown on 48 hours. These others I just described were not on 48 hours, and that is one of the reasons I think that Jams can cooberate that what I am saying here is true.

So, now Jams comes back. She sees the paintings and tells Patsy "You know Patsy, you should NEVER let the public see any of this! NEVER show these paintings in public!", as if it was a direct command. Then Jams praised her work, but it was like Jams KNEW that others would see it as Rita did. Rita did not comment on Patsy's paintings in a negative way. She didn't know what to say. She just nodded her head alot and said "wow"...LOL. She didn't want to let Patsy know how bizarre her paintings really were. Rita thinks they are psychotic in nature and certainly didn't want to tell Patsy that.

Then John shows up. He is discussing the new wine cellar. Rita is flabbergasted. They all went down to see the new wine cellar. It is a room similar to that of what they had in Colorado, similar to the room that JB was murdered in. Same size, same type room, but filled with wine and wine racks. Rita just thought this was unreal. She thought, why have a similar room to the one in which your own daughter was murdered in? She just didn't understand their logic. Between John discussing murders at the gravesite, and having a wine room like the cellar room in Colorado, Rita began to think it was time to reflect on her relationship with these people. She knew Patsy for some time, but not heavily into a full blown friendship. They mainly talked by phone and this was her first tour of Patsy's house, paintings, et al. Her observations of Patsy is that she feels sorry for her. She thinks that Patsy is totally dominated by John, and yet, she is fiesty when she wants to be. Nearly showing two different personalities. She will roll her eyes at someone when she wants to, but then in a second breath, jump to attention when they talk at other times. Just really weird, Rita says. It is like she loves all the attention and the followers she has, but when she isn't into the attention on any given day, she just pretends they arent' there or badmouths them or rolls her eyes at them.

Ok, onward....

Now, Burke comes home. He has a skateboard with him. He just comes in, says hello to no one. Again, Patsy introduces Rita to him as her good friend. Didn't introduce Jams, obviously, because they had already met. Burke just gives Rita a blank stare and heads to his room. Rita heres drums beating loudly. It is Burke on his drum set. He is beating the heck out of them. This goes on for about 5 or 10 minutes. They can hardly hear themselves think. Then all of a sudden, Burke comes downstairs and heads back outside with his skateboard. Rita said this was the most bizarre at all. It showed her that this young man was pent up with anger. Didn't seem to have much of a personality at all, and just looked detached, in his own little angry world. So, they go on with looking at the paintings. It is about 10 till 3pm at this point.

Patsy all of a sudden leaves the room. Rita knows not to where. Then the phone rings nearly a minute later. Patsy yells that the phone call is for Jams. Jams picks up the phone in the same room Rita is in. Jams laughs a little, chuckles a little, then hangs up. Jams immediately calls for Patsy. Patsy comes immediately running from the other room! (Here we are again. She rolls her eyes at Jams, but then jumps when she speaks?). Jams tells Patsy, "oh, the was LovelyPigeon. She said for us to turn on the tv NOW, that David Westerfield is about to be arrested at 3 o'clock!".

They turn on the 45 INCH WIDE television (you know? the one Patsy has always claimed to never have or watch?). Sure enough, it was DW being arrested and in the news. So, now Rita is saying to herself, "how in the hell did LovelyPigeon know that DW would be arrested before the rest of the world, and when, and why did the phone ring as soon as Patsy left the room?" The way that all played down was very suspicious to Rita. She thought that Patsy may have been the one who actually called Jams from the other room herself, and that is why Jams was so weird with chuckles on the phone, but then how would Patsy know about DW? Was she watching it in another room and saw it come on? It was just all to weird for Rita. While they were watching DW arrested, Patsy was cheering the TV screen. Jams was also "HAPPY" about it? (I thought she was AGAINST DW being arrested????? Why would Jams be cheering with Patsy about his arrest??? OR was this because she had yet to hear the trial phase, or was she just doing what Patsy wanted her to????) Rita at that point didn't know that Jams stood behind DW until I told her, which of course made that day just more bizarre to her. She was flabbergasted to hear of Jams backing him on the net, yet cheering him on to Patsy as "the guy". Of course, during Patsy's and Jams glee over watching the DW thing, Rita was now ignored and just stood there waiting for it to end.

This story now begins its decent. Patsy and Rita then set up to paint. Jams, feeling again ignored, decided to finally finally leave. She left saying very little. That left Patsy and Rita to paint. Rita said they didn't really talk while painting. They just concentrated on painting, did some small talk, and eventually Rita left after a short time, it was too late really for Rita to get into it now. It just felt to weird for her to stay. After that day, Rita and Patsy have only spoken briefly here and there by phone. Supposedly, there last conversation was last October, but very brief and it ended with both knowing they would really not be in touch again.

Rita said that her relationship with Patsy was never bizarre. She believed their innocence for a very long time. BUT that day, the day they finally spent quality time together enough to see and observe each of their behaviors, and the course of bizarre events, really made Rita think she was doing the right thing in writing her book and not betraying Patsy, as she once felt she was. I don't believe the books intentions were to put down Patsy at all, at first, but it was just going to be a book about the court thing and letting the public decide - so that the cops would get off the Ramsey's butts, or arrest, one or the other. One of the factors surrounding the delay of the book early on was adding this "Madhatters Garden Party", as Rita likes to refer to it. I think that is the name of this story in the book as well, as this story is supposed to be in the book.

Hopefully, I have remembered it with as much detail as I can muster and with correct quotes and happenings. I believe I have. However, the relationship deteriorated between the Rams and Rita shortly after that meeting day. Rita felt she was treated poorly at other times, and then sometimes
treated with respect, just as Jams was, the counselor was, et al. Ellique and Patsy never really talked. Only Ellique was introduced by Jams to Patsy and Patsy said "hello", not even questioning his existance at the gravesite."

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