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  Jessica Schaffner, 11
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:37 PM - Forum: Boulder crimes - Replies (2)

THE DENVER POST
Tragedy visited area in '72 death
Monday, January 4, 1997
Section: FRONT SECTION
Page: A-07
BY MARILYN ROBINSON
DENVER POST STAFF WRITER

Caption: PHOTO: The Denver Post/John Epperson

Police evidence technicians remove locks and door knobs from a door on the south side of the Ramsey home in Boulder yesterday.

BOULDER - The slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey does not mark the first time a family on that block has mourned the murder of a child.

JonBenet was found strangled last week in the basement of her home at 755 15th St., near Chautauqua Park.

Nearly a quarter of a century ago, another young girl who lived a few doors away in the quiet upscale neighborhood also was murdered.

Jessica Schaffner, 11, was shot to death Nov. 14, 1972, after she and her best friend were kidnapped on a neighborhood street. Her friend was wounded but survived. Peter Roy Fisher, now 59, was arrested and convicted of the crimes. He remains in prison under a life sentence.

Jessica had been at a party to celebrate her friend's 11th birthday, and the friend was walking her home when a man dressed in women's clothing drove by in a van and asked for directions.

The man, later identified as Fisher, returned, got out of the van to talk and invited the girls into his camper to see his dog.

Fisher pushed them inside, locked the door, then pulled a handgun and said, "No one's going anywhere," the survivor said in a 1993 interview with The Denver Post.

The girls were handcuffed together and forced to lie face down in the back of the van. The man drove in circles, then stopped and made the girls undress.

He sexually assaulted Jessica.

Eventually, he drove the girls up Sunshine Canyon toward Gold Hill west of Boulder, where he told them a man was waiting with a key to the handcuffs.

"I didn't believe it. I had more or less written it off that I was a goner," the surviving girl said.

Fisher ordered the girls to walk ahead of him in the deep snow down a path. They had gone about 15 feet when he pulled a pistol and started shooting.

"I didn't feel the shots," the survivor said. "I didn't feel the pain. I think my body just went into such shock that my mind shut if off. I kind of fell in slow motion."

Jessica died before her eyes. The survivor was hit in the chest and left thigh. She recalled thinking that Jessica was playing dead and sensed that Fisher was standing over them, staring.

Then he drove away. Terrified and bleeding, the girl tried to drag her dead friend up the steep snowy hillside. Unable to do so, she slipped her friend's hand from the cuff and pulled herself up the mountain. She flagged down a passing motorist.

Based on her description, deputies arrested Fisher as he drove down the icepacked road at the base of the canyon.

Fisher had a long history of sexually deviant behavior, including an arrest for indecent exposure at age of 17. He will appear before the state parole board next month for another parole hearing.

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  Schiller show
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:24 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - No Replies

[/url][url=http://www.courttv.com/onair/shows/specials/jonbenet_anatomy_of_a_cold_case.html]2006-07-07: “JonBenet: Anatomy of a Cold Case"
Directed by Lawrence Schiller (Court Tv)


VOICE OVER: "Then months after the murder, an investigator examining photographs of the crime scene noticed a bowl on the breakfast room table. The police had always assumed it contained cereal but when they took a closer look at it's contents which had been preserved, they found pineapple."

Tom Haney: and you'd said earlier you'd cleaned off the table after breakfast?
Patsy: I cleaned off the table.
Tom Haney: so that, that wasn't there.
Patsy: hm-mm. No. I've not seen that.
Patsy: I did not feed JonBenet pineapple.
Patsy: So I don't know how it got in her stomach,
Patsy: and I don't know where this bowl of pineapple came from.
Patsy: I can't recall putting that there.


VOICE OVER: "The pineapple only deepened the mystery. No one could pinpoint a motive for the Ramseys to lie about it. And it didn't seem to fit the intruder theory either."

Schiller: "If Jonbenet ate the pineapple after she came back from the the Whites does that mean she was sitting there eating the pineapple with somebody she knew? That she was eating it alone because it's a very chilling feeling to know that she sat eating pineapple with the person who might be responsible for her death. And that chilling feeling is one of the things that has haunted this case."

VOICE OVER:
"Kept from the public until now is the fact that a glass containing a tea bag was photographed next to the bowl of pineapple. How did it get there? And was the tea and the pineapple consummed at the same time?"


Patsy: But I did not do this. If she ate that, somebody put that there.
Patsy: I can never recall putting a tea bag like that, in a cup. Okay.
Patsy: So I don't know, what the answer is.


VOICE OVER: "According to police files none of the Ramseys friends or any member of the Ramsey family had any idea who prepared or served the tea. During the investigation, the crime lab found Patsy and her ten year old son, Burke's fingerprints on the bowl and Burke's on the glass of tea, adding to the mystery."

Henry Lee (Forensic Scientist): "Another area I'm always curious is whether DNA on the glass and on the bowl and particular the spoon, not only the eating area but also the handle."

VOICE OVER: "But according to the investigators, no DNA test have ever been conducted on the spoon , bowl or glass."

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  jameson posts
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:20 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (3)

[url=http://www.webbsleuths.com/][/url][b]2002-04-26: Webbsleuths Forum (http://www.webbsleuths.com)
"Pineapple"
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jameson
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6366 posts Apr-26-02, 10:19 PM (EST)

"Pineapple"

From the autopsy - "The proximal portion of the small intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple."

There is a great debate about when JBR ate that pineapple.

It seems it came from a bowl of pineapple found on the table in the Ramsey breakfast room. Patsy and Burke had left their prints on the bowl. Burke's prints were on the glass. JBR's ptints were not found there.

I think she grabbed a few chunks with her fingers as they were getting ready to leave for the Whites'.

Others say the killer fed it to her and then waited for it to pass through her stomach to kill her.

Dr. Dobersen told me personally that theere is no way to determine when she ate that pineapple - - too many unknown factors involved, but she could have eaten it before leaving home that day.

Even Steve Thomas, in his book, admits that is a possibility - though he says it is at the out limits of the possible time.

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  More from Steve Thomas
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:17 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (1)

[/url][url=http://www.acandyrose.com/04132000gma.htm]2000-04-13: Steve Thomas Chat on ABC Good Morning America

Tammy at 12:24pm ET:
What are your thoughts on the findings of pineapple in JonBenét's stomach?

Steve Thomas at 12:25pm ET:

"There was fresh pineapple in the victim's upper digestive tract. There was fresh pineapple, consistent with the rind, in a bowl on the breakfast table with Patsy's fingerprint on it. That affords me a rather simple explanation, given it was fresh pineapple."

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  Steve Thomas' book
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:13 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (1)

2000-04-11: “JonBenet, Inside the Ramsey Murder Investigation”
by Steve Thomas and Don Davis, April 11, 2000


ST Page 137

"We tried to get information about bedtime snacks and managed to learn that the girl loved grapes, sliced apples, and fruit of all kinds, especially pineapple. Give her a whole can and she'd eat it. We knew she ate pineapple the night she died, and now her grandmother told us how much the child loved it. While she was talking, I weighed some alternatives. That she was given a bedtime snack from the bowl that had Patsy's fingerprints made more sense to me than the possibility of an intruder feeding the child pineapple, keeping her alive long enough for it to reach her digestive tract, then killing her."

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  On the Today Show 3/24/2000
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:12 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - No Replies

[/url][url=http://www.acandyrose.com/03242000ramseytodaypt5.htm]2000-03-24: John and Patsy Ramsey on the Today Show (Part 5)



(SNIP)



COURIC: For every clue, a new question, like the autopsy finding that JonBenet ate pineapple just hours before she died. None was served at dinner that night, so when did JonBenet eat it? Let's address the mystery of the pineapple. That's been a source of a lot of speculation about what she did when you all got home from that Christmas party. Did she really go straight to bed? Did she eat pineapple...

Mr. RAMSEY: Let's...

COURIC: ...before she went to bed?

Mr. RAMSEY: Let's deal with the facts that I know. The facts are that JonBenet was asleep when we brought her home, we put her to bed, and neither Patsy or I fed her anything, because she was asleep. Those are the facts.

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  In PMPT
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:09 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (1)

1999-02-18: “Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, JonBenet and the City of Boulder”
Written by Lawrence Schiller, February 18, 1999


PMPT Page 239sb

"By mid-February the FBI and the CBI forensics technicians had concluded part of their fingerprint typing and fiber analysis. CBI told the Boulder police that no prints had been found on the black duct tape that John Ramsey said he removed from his daughter's mouth and none were found on the broken artist's paintbrush used to make the "garrote" found around JonBenet's neck. The CBI had been able to identify two fingerprints found on a white bowl on the dining room table that contained uneaten pineapple. One print belonged to Burke and the other to Patsy. Since partly digested pineapple had been found in JonBenet's small intestine at the autopsy, the police wondered if the Ramseys had been less than candid about JonBenet's bedtime activities and what time she fell asleep. Patsy and John had never mentioned with whom, where, or when their daughter had eaten pineapple."


[u]PMPT Page 433[/u]

"The police had to piece together the findings of the various pathologists, who had explained to them that when food is swallowed, it goes first to the stomach, then passes to the duodenum, and from there to the lower small intestine. Eventually, the digested food passes into the large bowel, from which it exits. Food found in the stomach and intestines can sometimes be used to estimate the time of ingestion and to narrow the time of death.

In the Ramseys' dining room, just steps away from the kitchen, the police had found a bowl with fresh pineapple in it. Meyer noted in his report that the pineapple in JonBenét's small intestine was in near-perfect condition -- it had sharp edges and looked as if it had been recently eaten and poorly chewed.

Based on the condition of the pineapple in her intestine, the experts estimated that JonBenét had eaten it an hour and a half or two hours before she died, most likely after the family returned home that night. If she had eaten the pineapple after 10:30 P.M., that made the approximate time of death not earlier than midnight."

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  John Ramsey in interview with LS
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 04:59 PM - Forum: Pineapple or Fruit Cocktail? - Replies (6)

June 1998 John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane (Questioning Regarding the Pineapple)

0205
23 LOU SMIT: Okay. I think that's kind of a
24 chronological that kind of gets up to the hearing.
25 Now I would like to go over the specifics. And

0206
1 this here is academic questions about heating. And
2 you brought up this that you heard something about
3 pineapple. Now what have you heard about
4 pineapple?

5 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we were asked if JonBenet
6 had eaten any pineapple, because apparently it was
7 found in her system. I don't know if the police
8 asked us that or we saw it on television or the
9 question came up. I don't remember her eating
10 pineapple, I don't remember pineapple at Fleet's
11 or the White's house. It sort of been a very
12 logical hors d'oeuvres. I don't' remember
13 specifically if it was there.
14 I think part of the question was what did she eat
15 when she got home, and I'm sure she didn't because
16 she was absolutely sound asleep. So I don't know
17 nothing about the basis of the question.

18 LOU SMIT: That's why I wanted to show you
19 the picture. I just didn't know what you had heard
20 of this thing. I'm going to show you what's called
21 a picture of 414.
22 This is a photograph that's taken of the dining
23 room table. And it shows various things on the
24 dining room table. Do you see the gingerbread
25 houses? And then you see a bowl on that

0207
1 (INAUDIBLE)?
2 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
3 LOU SMIT: What else do you see on there?

4 JOHN RAMSEY: I see a glass with what looks
5 like (INAUDIBLE). Tissues on the glass. A couple
6 knives.

7 LOU SMIT: Do you have any idea how that got
8 on that table?
9 JOHN RAMSEY: It might have been (INAUDIBLE)
10 that's a big bowl.
11 LOU SMIT: I'm going to straighten out the
12 picture so we'll want a close up of everything.

13 This is a photograph of 417. what does that
14 represent there?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, it's a large spoon, not
16 a teaspoon. It looks like Patsy's good silver. I
17 guess that could be pineapple, I can't tell. But
18 it could be. Some people (INAUDIBLE) pineapple to
19 make it old and there's this teabag in an empty
20 glass. I can't tell, but it looks like there is
21 some milk or something.
22 LOU SMIT: Who do you know would eat
23 pineapple like that? Do you have any idea?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: Well the kids like pineapple,
25 but that's a big bowl and this is a big spoon and

0208
1 I can't imagine that the kids would have something
2 like that at any time. Certainly not with iced
3 tea, I don't think. They don't even drink iced
4 tea. I think they do not. (INAUDIBLE) yeah.

5 LOU SMIT: John, I just wanted to kind
6 of check back with you. Now these obviously are
7 crime scene photographs.
8 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.
9 LOU SMIT: And this is the condition that
10 things are found when pictures are taken. We're
11 trying to explain that, even in correlating it
12 with your daughter (INAUDIBLE)?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. Could that have been
14 gotten out by someone who was in there that
15 morning, I wonder?
16 LOU SMIT: I don't know. That's a thought.
17 What do you think?
18 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't know. I mean I don't --
19 that's just a huge --
20 LOU SMIT: You mean somebody who had been
21 (INAUDIBLE)?
22 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, the Fernies or the
23 Whites or, there were a lot of people in the house
24 that were -- that would not be like us to leave
25 that. Certainly not leaving the next morning on a

0209
1 trip, to leave it like that, out.
2 That's a big bowl, whatever it is, if it's
3 pineapple.

4 MIKE KANE: Do you recognize the bowl?
5 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, I don't know. I recognize
6 the spoon, because it's a big serving spoon. It's
7 not like a teaspoon. And that could be one of our
8 bowls. We had white bowls like that. Patsy would
9 recognize it for sure. It looks like our glass.
10 LOU SMIT: Who would drink tea with a teabag
11 in the glass?
12 JOHN RAMSEY: Somebody who would drink tea,
13 I guess. I don't know. I don't drink tea. Burke
14 will drink sweet ice tea. I don't remember if
15 JonBenet did, if she did.
16 I mean, even for someone who's there and to get
17 out that big of a bowl and put that much pineapple
18 in it and just leave it. That doesn't make sense.

19 MIKE KANE: That was a serving spoon?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: It's a big serving spoon. I
21 mean don't even have an answer.
22 MIKE KANE: (INAUDIBLE) taken out and put
23 back in the refrigerator. Could that have
24 (INAUDIBLE) where it had been?
25 JOHN RAMSEY: It's possible.

0210

1 MIKE KANE: Any other tea drinkers in the
2 house?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: Patsy drank tea. She likes
4 sweet ice tea.
5 MIKE KANE: (INAUDIBLE)?
6 JOHN RAMSEY: I believe, not much, once
7 in a while.
8 LOU SMIT: (INAUDIBLE) sweet ice tea, you
9 can put a tea bag (INAUDIBLE)?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, no. With sweet ice tea
11 you have to make the tea. And I don't know how you
12 do it, but she puts sugar in it or something. It's
13 a southern drink. But, no.
14 I mean, first of all, it was hot tea. You
15 wouldn't it in that kind of a glass, it was weird.
16 That doesn't make sense.

17 LOU SMIT: You see, this is the trouble.
18 That we don't know. We don't know the answer. We
19 just didn't know whether it was like that or
20 (INAUDIBLE) around it.
21 JOHN RAMSEY: I would almost think that
22 (INAUDIBLE) that's Patsy's too. But that would not
23 have been left out by us where it would be for any
24 extended period of time. And that is a huge bowl
25 of pineapple or whatever it is and a big spoon.

0211
1 LOU SMIT: On the 26th, that was the
2 morning of the 26th, John, do you remember eating
3 at that time?
4 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't, but -- No, I don't.
5 I think there was -- I don't know, I don't
6 remember. There might have been some coffee made
7 or something like that. I don't think anybody was
8 feeling to eat.

9 LOU SMIT: Where would you keep pineapple?
10 JOHN RAMSEY: If it were opened, it would
11 have been kept in the refrigerator.
12 LOU SMIT: And that's the walk-in one?
13 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. If it were not open,
14 it would be in the pantry. This little (INAUDIBLE)
15 was here with the cans. (INAUDIBLE) next to the
16 cans. I mean it doesn't look like -- the kids
17 wouldn't have gotten that thing and the spoon
18 down. I mean, that's huge for a child's mouth.
19 They would have gotten a little spoon or a fork.
20 They wouldn't have fixed themselves that big a
21 bowl.

22 LOU SMIT: Is this the first time that
23 you knew about this?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: It's the first time I've
25 seen it, yeah.

0212 1 DAVID WILLIAMS: Can we take a look at the
2 photographs?
3 MIKE KANE: While your doing that, could
4 I ask, you said you had cans of pineapple normally
5 would be kept in that pantry that's open. Do you
6 ever by fresh pineapple (INAUDIBLE)?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: We did not, not that I remember.
8 No. I mean, we had --
9 LOU SMIT: What other kind of fruit did you
10 have around?
11 JOHN RAMSEY: Well we had apples around;
12 bananas, a lot of bananas. The kids loved
13 bananas. Grapes, green grapes.
14 LOU SMIT: Where would (INAUDIBLE)
15 JOHN RAMSEY: The bananas would be hanging
16 from a little stand that was kept in the kitchen
17 over in this area. The grapes tended to be in the
18 refrigerator. I don't remember specifically.
19 LOU SMIT: Do you know if JonBenet would
20 ever get up in the middle of the night to eat
21 these things?
22 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't think so. Not -- no.
23 DAVID WILLIAMS: Was that fresh? pineapple?
24 JOHN RAMSEY: No. But, no, that would be,
25 certainly not a glass that with a teabag in it. It

0213
1 absolutely doesn't make any sense for the kids to
2 have left that there.
3 LOU SMIT: Well we can come back to that later. I
4 do want to talk about that a little bit later. You
5 got any more questions?
6 MIKE KANE: No.
7 JOHN RAMSEY: But, I mean, it's strange.
8 It doesn't (INAUDIBLE).

9 LOU SMIT: This is also another picture,
10 picture 416, which also shows the same bowl, only
11 it shows the gingerbread house, and there's some
12 Kleenex on there and things of that nature. So I
13 don't know. Is that the gingerbread house that the
14 children were making?
15 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It looks like it. This
16 was like in -- Patsy would know. I'm not sure why
17 a Kleenex box is there either. That's not normal
18 for a Kleenex box.
19 LOU SMIT: What do you say about that?
20 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I guess it doesn't
21 belong on the kitchen table. I don't know where it
22 came from, but that's now it aught to be.

23 LOU SMIT: Well, I'm sure that Patsy is
24 going to be asked the same question. Maybe she
25 remembers more on this or not. Is it possible that

0214
1 that could have been left out, maybe because to be
2 (INAUDIBLE)?
3 JOHN RAMSEY: I doubt it very much.
4 LOU SMIT: Whey do you say that?

5 JOHN RAMSEY: Well, we were leaving town
6 the next morning. We would be gone nearly for a
7 week and a half. I've never seen a teabag left in
8 a glass like that in our house. I know we're not
9 the neatest people in the world, but I don't think
10 we'd have left an open bowl of fruit sitting on
11 the kitchen table.

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  9 pageants
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 12:45 PM - Forum: Pageants - No Replies

JonBenet had been in 9 pageants in the 2 years preceding her death in December, 1996.


JONBENET'S PAGEANT TITLES:
Colorado State All-Star kids Pageant: April 1994 or 5.
Little Miss Charlevoix: June 1995 according to Patsy's 1995 Christmas Letter.

Little Miss Colorado - May 1996 (Lisa Ryckman - Rocky Mountain News  LaDonna Griego's 10-year-old daughter, Breanne, passed her                                                                                              Little Miss Colorado title along to JonBenet in May 1996

America's Royale Tiny Miss: Division title: On June 1, 1996, JonBenet appeared in the Royal Miss state pageant in Denver.[b] [/b]

America's Royale Miss Colorado Dream Queen: July 1996.

Sunburst National Pageant: 2nd place: August 1996.
Miss Colorado Sunburst: October 1996.
Colorado's Little Miss Christmas: December 17th 1996.
Colorado's All-stars Christmas Pageant: Metal for talent: December 22nd 1996.

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  JAR and Melinda
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:56 AM - Forum: December 25th, 1996 - No Replies



.
Christmas Eve Night
.
 Melinda ramsey worked the 6:15 - 7:30 am shift as a nurse in the neonatal ICU unit of the hospital.
.
John Andrew attended the 11:00 candlelight service at the Peachtree Presbyterian Church with his mother and her friend, Mr. Smiles.  The arrived back home at about 1 am.

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