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  Reddit response
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-21-2020, 08:21 AM - Forum: Found on other forums - No Replies

  • Inviting all those people,  - - - How is that evidence of their guilt?  They were in a Panic and did exactly what Fleet White did the year before - he called the Ramseys over when Daphne went missing.  Thank goodness she was found in the house, alive and well.  I think I might have called friends over hoping they'd help search for her - - in the neighborhood, probably.

  • John wanting to fly out, - - - The body had been found, police stopped asking questions and told John and Patsy they needed to leave the house.  They had a funeral to plan.  In Atlanta where she would be buried next to her sister.  Their families were in Atlanta.  Why wouldn't John want to go there?  Had they been eager to check into a hotel, the BORG would say they were acting abnormally, staying in town to make sure the police weren't exposing their secrets when the NORMAL thing to do would be going to family for comfort and support.

  • the bogus ransom note, - - -   I agree it was bogus - - a jab at John written while the killer waited for the family to get home and settle in.  To me it makes some sense to leave the note with the body as a way to remind John that he couldn't save his daughter for the price of his bonus.  Makes NO sense for parents staging a kidnapping to leave the note and body in the house.

  • Patsy changing her writing,  - - -  I have a couple notes Patsy wrote to me after the murder - - her handwriting (cursive was her preferred way to write) is different at all.  Don Foster said she changed her writing but he was fully discredited in this case as well as others.  (Shakespeare being the one I found most fun to follow.

  • the whole pineapple thing, - - - The pineapple was not in her stomach but in her intestines.  Could have been eaten before leaving to go to the Whites' dinner.  WAs NOT eaten within minutes of her death.

  • the fecal smearing, - that is all myth - - not documented in any documents or depositions, an Internet poster started that crap.  (See what I did there?)

  • Burke’s odd interviews, - - - He was a gawky kid when this happened.  You have seen bits and pieces of taped interviews and I believe Dr. Phil's editing department should have been flogged for the job they did.  The full interviews weren't so strange.  Although I will admit his constant smile is disconcerting.

  • Burke’s lack of empathy/concern/fear - - - He trusted her father would bring her back safe.  He cried when he was told she died and you don't know what fear he felt at any time because that was not shared.

  • the 911 call - - - The original call is pretty normal.  Those that people ALTERED, "enhanced", changed - - they are just BORG.  Sad so many people trust them when they are not true.

  • issue with the web in the window. - - - I have shown the truth of the web in photos on several forums - - but once someone is BORG, even photographs seem easy to ignore.  Or maybe just easy to interpret to fit the theory one wants to believe.    There ws a web, when the window was opened, it was torn in two.  One piece is still in the corner of the frame and the rest is blowing in the wind, hanging from the frame in the first photo of the window and later in the crime scene video.  It was small, could be safe from a person going through the window.  It was also misrepresented in the CBS documentary,  They show a HUGE web.  I also shared that in the forums.

  • Just the idea that someone would “borrow” that notepad paper and pen, and then put it back where it came from. (What a polite killer). - - - If he was standing by that window, waiting for the parents to get home, thinking he had to stop moving around in case someone were to look in and see him - - especially as it got dark and the lights left on in the house would make the house like an aquarium - - he may have decided to indulge in a little fantasy - - what if he kidnapped her for ransom?  Maybe writing a note was just a way to kill time.  The pad was there, the pen was there.  Nothing to do with polite, just he wrote the note then put the pen and pad back.  Do you think it would make more sense to take them home?

  • The practice notes - - - There MAY have been ONE - - and that consisted of "Mr. and Mrs. I"     - - but that has never been released and the handwriting never compared by us so...  that could have been written by someone else (Patsy).

  • the comfort in the home. Languishing inside this cavernous labyrinth-like home but never even uses the bathroom despite spending 8-10 hours there. - - who says he didn't use the bathroom?  The one in the basement had been used and not flushed.  Maybe because he was afraid of making that much noise - - maybe the family was home by then.

  • The dramatic flair of the note - - with pieces taken from different movies.  I think it gives us a clue as to what the author did in his spare time - - but the Ramseys were reading other kinds of books, watching other kinds of movies.  A lot of Disney, comedies, classics.

  • intentional misspellings - - not so sure they were intentional but how does that fit ANY theory?  BORG or IDI?

  • similarities to Patsy’s writing. - - - All kids born in the 50's were taught to make their letters the same.  It isn't the similarities that make your writing unique - it is the difference you incorporate into the letters as you get older.  (I don't know anyone who makes their small "f" the way I do.)


  • the French word attache - - hardly a word that would be rare in Boulder, a college town full of people who sometimes put on airs 

  • “and hence”- - - not a common phrase but maybe the author used it regularly - - something a tipster might include in a letter to authorities.  In this case, no one found any Ramsey using it until after the murder.  Just saying...

  • the long note reminiscent of the long info newsletters Patsy sent out - - - Christmas Newsletters are intentionally long - a tradition with some families.  More important is the vicious nature of the note that no one could link to anyone in the family.

  • no sense of urgency about the phone call - - - Have you LISTENED to the actual 911 call?  

  • alerting LE though expressly told not to - - - Few people would not call for help.  I would call immediately hoping to get roadblocks put up and all houses checked inside and out.  I did a study of kidnappings where ransom notes were left - - 99% called police.

  • none of their prints on the note - - Not even the cop left a print - - all I can think is that they had all JUST washed their hands and so - - no oil, no print - - - as for the author, he probably was wearing gloves.  Gloves he took with him when he left.

  • reluctance to cooperate with LE - - - Read the early press releases, they did cooperate.  They called 911, answered all questions.  When they went to the Fernies' the cops joined them and were welcomed.  They went in and gave hair, prints, handwriting, handwriting and more handwriting.  When they refused to be bullied into a confession - - THAT was considered to be reluctance to cooperate.  Then they pulled back but NEVER refused to answer questions  - just wanted them in writing so they could not be misreported as the first ones had. (Remember John saying he read to the kids?  That was misinformation in the police report and good reason not to trust the cops to keep their records straight.  Better to do it all in writing so the police lies or "errors"  would stop.

  • Burke claiming to never have read the note - - - there is no proof he ever did.  I think it is stragnge but know the family and - - - yeah, some things they do seem odd to me as well.  But I believe Burke had not read the note/

  • Patsy pretending not to write the baby book - - - She had been told to answer the question with great care.  If she did not specifically remember writing a phrase, she needed to say so.  It would have been wrong to say she had and then find out that entry had been written by Beth or Melinda and they were saying so.  Then Patsy would not have made a mistake, she would have been "caught in a lie".  So if she didn't remember, she didn't take credit for the writing.

  • Patsy’s acting while confronted with letter similarities - - - "acting" - - seems like the listener was already firmly BORG to find evidence of guilt there.

  • dna of UM1 never turning up in a database. I feel a violent sexual offender would commit another similar crime. It’s not guaranteed someone will reoffend but Pedos can’t be rehabilitated and nearly all reoffend- - - I believe I know who did this and that this was a singular crime, directed at John and the killer did NOT commit another similar crime.  There's no similar crime in the books.

  • sealed psychiatric records of Burke’s - - - his interview tapes have been seen by quite a few.  Records of his visits AFTER the crime were not shared because - - he was a victim with rights to privacy in that setting.  There was NO evidence linking him to the crime, the police, including Steve Thomas, made that clear so no reason to open his files to the public.

  • previous sexual abuse - - didn't happen, no evidence of that

  • frequent medical visits for Jonbenet - - - all explained, mostly sinus infections, colds.

  • denial that the sexual assault happened - - there is no denying she was sexually assaulted the night of her murder.  The DNA found mixed with her blood is evidence that is used to clear suspects.

  • Burke’s behavior according to people who knew him - - Are you talking the tabloid trash talk?  Judith Phillips' whine that he wouldn't hug her after?  Give me a break!  He did well in high school, went to college and has done well.  No police record, never locked away for psychiatric issues.  He lives on his own, has friends and lives the easy life thanks to all the lawsuits he won against people telling those kinds of stories about his "behavior".  But I have yet to see anyone come out and tell a true story that put him in a bad light.  His friends who have come online have never said bad things.  A few anonymous posters with theories have, but not real people.

  • the clumsiness and inexperience of the crime itself - - - Yet he is still free.

  • suspicions of those closest to the Ramseys - - If you are referring to the Whites, I have Fleet's deposition and he never believed the Ramseys did it.  He was confused by Steve Thomas and others but did not cross that line.

  • fibers belonging to parents in areas of interest. Not one, but both. - - Secondary transfer, they had been with her all day and carried her and undressed her for bed.  More important are the numerous fibers that were on her body and NOT sourced.

  • James Kolar’s book - - IMO, he is an ass and a liar.  But don't take my word for that - in his own book, read the letter DA Mary Lacy wrote to him saying his fantasy was just WRONG.

  • Burke admitting he was up - - - he was not up at the time of the murder.  

  • Burke’s prints on the pineapple bowl - -  which he was never asked about.  Most likely it was a snack he got out Christmas afternoon 

  • Burke’s DNA all over the Barbie pajamas found next to the body - Really?  All over?  There was a spot on the bottom that was tested and his DNA was found.  Could be he had sat next to her watching TV and touched her or that he stepped on the hem at some point.

  • No one trying to track down a killer to date   - - - that job belongs to law enforcement.  The Ramseys don't have the files needed to track down leads and tips.  But I will admit the lack of BPD involvement at this point is disgusting - - they should work the case or give it up to a cold case squad.

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  more window images
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-20-2020, 07:33 PM - Forum: Broken window/ Spider web - No Replies


This is the FIRST photo taken of the basement window.   It was removed for examination and the web that had been left in the corner is missing - but it can be seen in the crime scene video.  The bottom pane had a fingerprint on it that was important in Lou Smit's mind.

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  hymen injury - from autopsy
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-20-2020, 10:21 AM - Forum: Prior sexual abuse - No Replies

THAT was an interesting subject that was covered during my discussions with Doctors Dobersen and Krugman as well. Dr. Dobersen went over a book with me, sorry but the name of the book eludes me at the moment. It was a book used in ER's and clinics - and it documents the many different sizes and shapes of hymens. At 45 years of age, I had no idea how diverse they were. ANYWAY, both said the description of the hymen with no evidence of scarring (as if it had been torn apart) was NOT evidence of any damage. That was probably just the way her hymen was formed. That does NOT negate the injury done to her - - she WAS sexually assaulted that night and that is described in detail in the autopsy. Read the autopsy carefully - - the abrasion may have involved the hymen but the hymen was not "torn" that night.
From the autopsy:
"The hymen itself is represented by a rim of mucosal tissue extending clockwise between the 2 and 10:00 positions. The area of abrasion is present at approximately the 7:00 position and appears to involve the hymen and distal right lateral vaginal wall and possibly the area anterior to the hymen."

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  Vulvovaginitis explained
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-19-2020, 08:52 PM - Forum: Prior sexual abuse - Replies (1)



  • This fact sheet is available in the following languages: ArabicAssyrianBurmeseChinese (simplified)Chinese (traditional)EnglishKarenPersianSomaliTurkish and Vietnamese.

    Vulvovaginitis (vul-vo-vaj-ee-night-is) is inflammation or irritation of the vagina and vulva (external female genital area). Mild vulvovaginitis is a very common problem, and some children will have vulvovaginitis many times. Once puberty has begun, vulvovaginitis usually occurs less often.
    In most cases, vulvovaginitis is not a serious problem and it will usually improve with simple steps at home. Usually no medical treatment or tests are needed.
    [/url]Signs and symptoms of vulvovaginitis
    If your child has vulvovaginitis, they may have:
    • itching in the vaginal area
    • some discharge from the vagina
    • redness of the skin between the labia majora (outside lips of the vagina)
    • burning or stinging when they pass urine.
  • What causes vulvovaginitis?
    While your child is young, the lining of the vagina and vulva can be quite thin and this can lead to it being easily irritated. Moisture or dampness around the vulva can also lead to vulvovaginitis – this is made worse by tight clothing or being overweight. Another cause of vulvovaginitis is irritants, such as soap residue, bubble baths and antiseptics.
    Threadworms sometimes cause or worsen vulvovaginitis. Children with threadworms often scratch a lot at night. If itching is a major symptom, then you may want to treat your child for threadworms. See our fact sheet Worms.
    Care at home
    In most mild cases of vulvovaginitis, you can care for your child at home without visiting a doctor. Reassure your child that they don’t need to worry, as vulvovaginitis is a common problem and a normal part of growing up.
    Try avoiding the things that make vulvovaginitis worse:
    • Wear loose cotton underwear and avoid tight jeans etc.
    • If your child is overweight, seek advice on how to maintain a healthy weight with diet and exercise.
    • Don't use a lot of soap in the bath or shower, and make sure any soap is well rinsed from the vulva. Avoid bubble baths and antibacterial products.
  • Some people find vinegar baths helpful: add half a cup of white vinegar to a shallow bath and soak for 10 to 15 minutes. Do this daily for a few days and see if it helps.
    Soothing creams (for example, soft paraffin, nappy-rash creams) may help settle the soreness, as well as protect the skin from moisture or any discharge, which can be irritating.
    You may have to repeat these simple measures if the problem comes back.
    When to see a doctor
    Take your child to the GP if:
    • The vulvovaginitis is bothering your child – the doctor may advise a swab of the area be taken for testing, but the results are not always helpful.
    • Your child has a more severe case of vulvovaginitis, blood-stained discharge, or other skin problems – the doctor may refer them to a paediatrician or other specialist for further management.
    • Your child has a fever and pain when passing urine – the doctor may want to test for a urinary tract infection (see our fact sheet Urinary tract infection).
  • [url=https://www.rch.org.au/kidsinfo/fact_sheets/Vulvovaginitis/#key-points-to-remember]Key points to remember
    • Mild vulvovaginitis is a very common problem.
    • It may recur now and then, but will improve as your child gets older.
    • In most mild cases, no medical treatment or tests are necessary.
    • Avoid the things that make vulvovaginitis worse, such as tight underwear and irritants like soap.

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  John Ziegler changed his mind
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-19-2020, 04:33 PM - Forum: Some Important quotes - No Replies

20 Years After JonBenet Ramsey’s Murder, Here’s Why I Changed My Mind About What Really Happened
JOHN ZIEGLER Dec 26th, 2016, 9:23 am
Twenty years ago today, a six-year-old girl named JonBenet Ramsey was abused and then brutally murdered in her affluent Colorado home. Since then, the news media has barely ever stopped discussing, and often misreporting about, the case.
Tomorrow, Lin Wood, the famed attorney for the Ramsey family, is filing a massive $750 million defamation lawsuit against the CBS network and a production company it hired. The litigation is in response to a two-part special on the case (hosted by former FBI profiler Jim Clemente, with whom I have dealt extensively, and strongly disagree with, on the “Penn State Scandal”) which CBS aired earlier this year. In a recent hour-long interview with me, Wood called the program which concluded that JonBenet’s brother Burke killed her, a “despicable act.”
Wood also said that, in all his years of working at the highest levels of this area of law (he also represented the infamously falsely-charged Richard Jewell in the 1996 Olympic Park bombing case), he has “never seen a case of defamation nearly as clear cut as this one.” He went on to confidently predict that his lawsuit against CBS will produce an award which will “easily set a record in First Amendment law,” easily surpassing the Hulk Hogan/Gawker judgment.
Wood, has secured multiple settlements in the past against media outlets for their assertions that Burke (whose parents allowed him, as a young boy, to be interviewed alone, three times, by authorities, including before he had even been told that JonBenet was dead) was the killer. He is sure Burke is innocent and just as positive that no one else in the Ramsey family committed the crime which birthed a media obsession that is still going strong twenty years later.
Up until the last few months (which has brought numerous television specials, including a recent “20/20” on ABC, which prominently featured Lawnewz founder Dan Abrams), I rather strongly disagreed with Wood’s view of the case. But, after extensive research and thought, I am currently convinced that Wood is correct and that the only plausible scenario, as extraordinary as it seems to be, is that an unknown male intruder, who left traces of DNA on two pieces of JonBenet’s clothing, viciously killed the beauty pageant princess.
As I see it, there are two keys to the case from an evidentiary perspective, and one more from a “human” standpoint. When looked at objectively (as opposed to the biased perspectives of a police force which has a huge incentive for the family to be guilty in order to justify their original rush to judgment, and the news media which wants the juiciest ratings-grabbing narrative possible), I now believe they all point directly away from anyone in the Ramsey family having anything to do with this horrific unsolved murder.
The first is the extremely bizarre ransom note. It is the primary reason that I, for one, was totally convinced for nearly two decades that Patsy Ramsey at least had to be in on the crime and that, therefore, her husband John also had to know about it as well. It seems way too strange for a very long ransom note to have been written, on a pad of paper found in the house, by an intruder who would have seemingly been very eager to escape. Since we have always been told by the authorities and the media that Patsy couldn’t be eliminated as the source of the handwriting, it appeared that, barring convincing evidence of someone else’s guilt, there was little reason to look elsewhere for the perpetrator.
However, Wood makes a very compelling case that the handwriting analysis has been “distorted” by the news media. The average grade that the experts gave Patsy’s handwriting sample was about 4.5 out of 5, which is literally as close as you can get to totally excluding someone as a source without technically doing so (this despite the fact that a majority of the experts were chosen by the police and were well aware of what conclusion they wanted). ABC’s “20/20” just recently used an alleged handwriting “expert” who indicted Patsy, but who has been deemed “not qualified” by multiple authorities and had even originally pursued work with the Ramsey defense team back in the late 1990s (which was not mentioned by ABC).
Not being an expert on handwriting, I personally rely on the logic test. If Patsy was really, in the midst of a massive panic caused by the horrifying death of her beloved daughter, going to write a ransom note in some crazed attempt to muddy the waters (to no apparent end) while JonBenet’s abandoned dead body got cold in the basement, why would she write such an incredibly lengthy note? Obviously, the more you write the greater the chance there is that you won’t be able to disguise your handwriting, even when you aren’t under by far the most intense pressure of your entire life.
If you accept that somehow Patsy wrote the long note you then must explain how it is that, hours after the death event, she was able to make the terrified 911 call sound exactly like a mom who just found out their daughter was kidnapped. Part of the “perfect storm” here is that, since she was once a beauty pageant queen, people presume that anything she did which was inconsistent with their own pet theory was simply because she was somehow a great performer (since when are beauty pageant participants known as amazing actors?!).
Many have pointed to the reference to $118,000 in the ransom note as proof that it had to be written by Patsy because it virtually matched John’s Christmas bonus.  However, such an “odd” amount would be insane for a “criminal mastermind” to put in the note because it would obviously point suspicion towards the family. Therefore, that dollar figure may actually be far more consistent with the intruder theory, especially since John’s pay stub with that amount was found on his easily accessible desk and, according to Wood, there are still “ongoing investigative efforts” involving possible suspects from John’s place of business at the time.
I have come to believe that the ransom note is actually the key component to this murder having been a nearly perfect crime. Safely hidden inside the massive house on Christmas night, the intruder wrote the note to create a huge diversion, buy time as everyone waited for a directed phone call the next morning, and deflect suspicion on to the parents. For those who think it far-fetched that someone would know the layout of the house, the Ramseys had just had hundreds of strangers through their home for tours during the Christmas season.
Of course this theory would be baseless if there were not also other huge problems with the case against the Ramseys, and there are many. Foremost among them is the way that JonBenet died.
Until recently, I always assumed that the garrote which was found around her neck was at least remotely consistent with the police/media theory that the crime scene was “staged.” However, when you see the shocking autopsy photos it is clear that this is not remotely the case.
There is overwhelming evidence that she was fighting her attacker (who may have used a stun gun on her) until her last breath, and that the massive head wound, which caused almost no bleeding, came AFTER she had been suffocated in order to make sure the deed was done.
This is obviously completely incompatible with the theory that she was killed accidently which, as Wood says, “is nonsensical on its face.” Wood believes that the media purposely downplays the garrote evidence because, “it doesn’t fit with their preferred narrative” and that, consequently, the “public has no appreciation for the brutality of this murder.”  
As the parent of a girl who is only a little younger than JonBenet was, I know there is absolutely no chance that my wife or I could do anything close to that to our daughter, especially when the act clearly went WAY beyond a fit of rage. But less obviously, I am even more positive that there is no possible way that we would have stayed together for many years afterwards, even if the case didn’t become one of the most intensely covered in history (it is widely believed that couples who lose a child, even under innocent circumstances, are at greater risk of divorce).  
From a purely human standpoint, it seems very clear to me that had the Ramseys really conspired to commit/cover-up this crime that there is no way that they ever could have stayed together as genuinely as they did until Patsy died of cancer almost ten years later. There is no scenario I can think of where each would have each other so blackmailed that one wouldn’t have eventually, if not immediately, turned on the other (the police presuming that one would “flip” on the other if they just applied enough pressure helped birth tremendous misinformation in the media). This is especially the case since Patsy’s death was far from sudden and she could have easily either confessed or ratted out John by leaving a note for after she died. Conversely, if Patsy was guilty, why would John not at least imply that suspicion now that she is dead?
Instead, when you watch the many interviews the couple did together (in many of which Patsy is extremely convincing, with or without pageant training) it is apparent that they do not have the disdain for each other which would have instantly manifested itself if they were involved in such a hideous conspiracy. Instead, I see two people who, having somehow endured the worst that life could possibly throw at them, were still somehow in love until the very end.
To me the most important lesson of the Ramsey case is understanding the dangers of law enforcement and the news media jumping to what seems like a reasonable conclusion and then instantly rejecting as illegitimate all other possible scenarios. Once prominent people, especially while under a microscope, pick a lane, they are naturally so invested in being “right” that any further investigation is either stunted, or flat-out discarded.
When it comes to the news media, this motive is further exacerbated by the insatiable thirst for ratings. Wood estimates that, over the past twenty years, all media outlets combined have probably made over a billion dollars on this case. “The media continues to be willing to do anything they have to in order to profit from the murder of this child,” says Wood. “It’s unconscionable.”
This case also shows the incredible difficulty of reversing a false media narrative, especially without a trial to help do so. My guess is that there won’t be a trial in the coming defamation case against CBS either, because the TV network won’t be dumb enough to take the issue that far. So while the many false narratives of this case will never be fully corrected, it is possible that at least one outlet will be paying at least a real price for perpetrating falsehoods and damaging lives for ratings.
John Ziegler is a nationally-syndicated radio talk show host and documentary filmmaker. You can follow him on Twitter at @ZigManFreud  or email him at johnz@mediaite.com

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  April 2000
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-19-2020, 04:20 PM - Forum: Handwriting - No Replies

From April of 2000, 4 months before the Atlanta Interviews...

RIVERA: So is it fair to say that, as of tonight, as we sit here tonight, you do not have convincing evidence of an intruder to the Ramsey home?

Mr. HUNTER: We have some evidence of intruder. We have not closed our mind to it. But I--I'm not
going to say that all we have is looking in the house. I'm not going to say that that's all we have or
all that we are concerned with, because there's--the case is more complicated than that.

RIVERA: The ransom note--clearly, it's a fake. When you say that Patsy Ramsey has not been
excluded as the author of the note, are you saying, because it's parallel to your previous statement
that they're not excluded as possible suspects in the case--are you saying that it is one of your
suspicions that Patsy Ramsey wrote the note or Patsy Ramsey is a suspect in the authoring of the

Mr. HUNTER: Well, you know, I--I think, in fairness to this investigation, the handwriting people that
we have retained in this case and that have been retained by the Ramseys, I--it--it is a very low
probability, according to these experts. Now these handwriting--you know, in the--in the Oklahoma
City bombing case, Matsch didn't let--let that stuff in. There's a lot of mumbo-jumbo to it. I don't
think it's particularly reliable. So I don't think it's fair to say that, you know, what these experts say,
sug--they just don't exclude her.

RIVERA: She's not...
Mr. HUNTER: They don't exclude her, but it's very low. And, frankly, if we get this to trial, which I
hope, I would prefer to give that note to the jury and give that jury historical writings that--that
might pertain to a particular individual and have them using their common sense, because these
handwriting people have come up with such a scale and standards that it's really hard to...

RIVERA: It's a--it's--it's not quite a science yet.

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  images of autopsy report 9 pages
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  Suitcase under broken window
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-18-2020, 03:30 PM - Forum: Suitcase - Replies (1)



When Lou Smit went public with the evidence of an intruder the Rocky Mountain News published a very good article outlining the evidence - - and the BORG BPD's answer to that same evidence.  Let the reader see what they think.

(The newspaper article is no longer available - - a horrible loss for students of the case.  But I will do what I can to keep the information available for some.

Smit's argument: A hard-sided suitcase was discovered below the open window. The killer, figuring
it was safe to go out the way he came in, may have used it to boost himself up.
Ease of exit: Smit has gone in and out of the window with and without using a suitcase. "With a
suitcase, it's a lot easier."
Out of place: John Ramsey said the suitcase was not in that area of the basement before, suggesting
that someone moved it there. In addition, if the suitcase had been under the window for a long time,
dust and debris would have collected on it. But little was there.
Glass shard: A pea-size piece of glass was found on top of the suitcase, within what might be a
partial footprint. Smit surmises the glass may have come off the intruder's shoe as he stepped on the
suitcase to get out.
Response: Police have said privately that what looks like a footprint on the suitcase isn't a footprint.


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  Open butler door seen by Fernie
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-18-2020, 02:54 PM - Forum: odds and ends - No Replies

"Fernie and the open door"
John Fernie went to the Ramsey house early on the 26th.
He parked in the rear, went to the door on the south side. That door was locked. He saw the note on the floor through the window in the door.
He went to the front of the house and was let in.
Like Fleet, Fernie walked through the house - - and at that time - - very early - - he found the door to the butler's kitchen open. He did report it and it was photographed.

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  Foster found it in a bible
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-12-2020, 01:36 PM - Forum: SBTC - No Replies


Donald Foster found SBTC in the bible - kind of.  The first letters of the first four lines in Psalm 35 were C,T,B and S.  That's SBTC and, according to BORG, evidence that Patsy killed her daughter.

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