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  Q&A
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 12:16 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (17)

The forum might prove helpful in educating those who are not-quite-BORG and seeking information.  I know in some places there are questions put out - - and answered - - but they are on BORG forums and the other side of the story is not being told there.  So please, if so inclined, copy some questions and answer them here.

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  Examples of BORG reasoning
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 12:11 PM - Forum: We Are the BORG. - No Replies

So a Queen BORG posted this after a certain TV show aired.


"When I saw the sound bite of "There was DNA on her body and IT DIDN'T BELONG TO ANYONE IN THE FAMILY" my blood pressure went off the cuff."

"I can't watch it. I can't. It is so upsetting to see how much the Ramsey spin machine has taken the truth and hidden if far away under red herrings."

"Yes foreign DNA was found on JonBenet BUT IT MEANS NOTHING. I venture to guess we all have some sort of foreign DNA on us. If this DNA had been found on the note, on the pen, or anywhere else then maybe but it wasn't."


my comment -
I had to laugh at the last bit.  Foreign DNA found co-mingled with JonBenét's blood in her panties - blood that resulted from a sexual assault on the night she was killed - - THAT can be ignored.  But she would have paid attention to DNA found on a pad or pen or "anywhere else".

THAT is BORG mentality.

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  Not a theory, just a rant
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 12:09 PM - Forum: BORG theories and BORG people of note - Replies (1)

So a queen BORG posted this after a certain TV show aired.


"When I saw the sound bite of "There was DNA on her body and IT DIDN'T BELONG TO ANYONE IN THE FAMILY" my blood pressure went off the cuff."

"I can't watch it. I can't. It is so upsetting to see how much the Ramsey spin machine has taken the truth and hidden if far away under red herrings."

"Yes foreign DNA was found on JonBenet BUT IT MEANS NOTHING. I venture to guess we all have some sort of foreign DNA on us. If this DNA had been found on the note, on the pen, or anywhere else then maybe but it wasn't."



I had to laugh at the last bit.  Foreign DNA found co-mingled with JonBenét's blood in her panties - blood that resulted from a sexual assault on the night she was killed - - THAT can be ignored.  But she would have paid attention to DNA found on a pad or pen or "anywhere else".

THAT is BORG mentality.

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  Lies told to media
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 11:56 AM - Forum: Misleading the media - Replies (4)

We know Charlie Brenna was mislead and reversed himself more than once saying he had believed sources who had not been wrong in other stories.

He published that there were no footprints in the snow - - but the crime scene photos showed there was little to no snow on the south side of the house.

He published that John had been the pilot in the flight to Atlanta - but he was wrong there as well.

Use this thread to show examples like that.

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  Odd quotes
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 11:31 AM - Forum: Fleet and Priscilla White - No Replies

“Fleet White came in to talk to me and Beckner,” Koby told Hunter. “White wants you off the case. He says you leaked stuff to one of the tabloids after you met with him last year.” Hunter remained silent. “He’s on the warpath, and he’s threatening to see the attorney general.” Koby said that White refused to cooperate with the police as long as Hunter was still on the case. In one conversation with detectives, White had even teased the officers: “What would you say if I told you the Ramseys owned Hi-Tec shoes?”

Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, Lawrence Schiller, page 593

My comment - Imagine being John and Patsy Ramsey  and being told Fleet White would not speak to you, had ignored your letters to them, but were chummy with BORG police like Steve Thomas - - and now he was wanting to have the DA (who was honestly on the fence, not choosing sides) to be removed!

And imagine being the parents who knew their 9 year old never owned a set of those boots - - being told the "friend" was "teasing" with such possibilities?

This reminds me of .... well, let's just say I can imagine Thomas telling the Whites they really, honestly, PROMISE they had evidence the ramseys did it but the stubborn killers just were refusing to be browbeaten in an interrogation and... oh, it might help if they know you are going to tell the truth - - even if it isn't - - if they think you accept they did it - - they might confess.  Just help us out.  Can you say you know they owned Hi-Tec boots?

In Fleet White's deposition, he did NOT say the Ramseys owned Hi-Tec boots.  Wish that was all public, it is not.  But he never said that as a fact, far from it.  So I think this "tease", if true, was said out of frustration.  He believed Thomas had evidence, he was not trying to lie but couldn't quite tell the truth, either.

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  the broken glass and suitcase
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 11:21 AM - Forum: Broken window/ Spider web - Replies (1)

JOHN RAMSEY:  So I went down to the basement. I went into this room with Fleet. I explained to him that this window had been cracked open and I closed it. That the window was broken, but I think it was broken by me once before. We got down on our hands and knees looking for some glass just to see.
LOU SMIT: What did you find?
JOHN RAMSEY: I think we found a few fragments of glass not enough to indicate that it was a fresh break.
LOU SMIT: What did you do with those fragments?
JOHN RAMSEY: We might have put them on the ledge, if I remember. It really wasn't much. We had only found one or two. We might have put them up here on the ledge.
LOU SMIT: Could you have put them on the suitcase?
JOHN RAMSEY: Ahhhh, it's possible but I don't remember doing that.
LOU SMIT: Was the suitcase, when you came back, in the same spot it was when you had been?
JOHN RAMSEY: I think I moved it to see or to look for glass then. But I think it was where I left it, where it was when I was down there before.

John Ramsey, 1998 interview

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  inconsistancies in his story
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 11:19 AM - Forum: John Ramsey - biography - No Replies

Found this bit in a transcript of a 1997 interview.  Read it and pay attention to the time. 

He said it was close to 11 when he and Fleet went to the basement and checked out the broken window, then he went to search the rest of the basement.  In truth, it was not 11 but 1.

Remember the BORG reported John telling JAR and Melinda they found the body around 11?  I honestly think John had suffered such a shock he simply lost time and his comments reflect that.

Of course the BORG says that proves he is a liar so he is guilty so he is the killer.  But I really don't see it that way.

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  Posts that might be found in MAD Magazine
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 11:08 AM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - Replies (13)

[Image: quote_icon.png] Originally Posted by Curiousmind48 [Image: viewpost-right.png]

Has anyone considered the possibility that jonbenet tried to kill herself that night, that she was so distraught that she stood on a chair and tied a rope around her own neck? I know she was only six, but even young children can be pushed to a certain limit and crack. Could patsy have found her daughter almost dead from strangulation and because that would blow the illusion of a perfect family, further staging might have taken place. Or the rope was so tight, it would not come off and it was clear she was in great distress and dying. Could someone have finished the job as a way to end her suffering? Of course, that doesn't explain the head injury. I dont believe an intruder was involved, but will say, the simplest explanation is often the right one.

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  The Darnay Hoffman FAX to Tom Miller
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-06-2017, 07:12 PM - Forum: JonBenet Ramsey: Prostitution of Justice - No Replies

Dear Tom,
Could you please fax me a copy of your c.v.? My fax number is (212) 496-****. I need to begin
preparing your court affidavit and a recital of your qualifications as a handwriting expert is essential.
You might be interested to know that I spoke with handwriting expert Paul A. Osborn who is, as you
probably already know, the grandson of Albert S. and son of Albert D. Osborn. He refuses to touch the Ramsey case with a ten foot pole. His reasons: he knows the handwriting experts who gave their reports to the defense team and to CBI --- four in all. According to Osborn these experts are supposedly top in their field (he won't give me their names) with impeccable ethical credentials. Their verdict: the similarities between Patsy and the ransom note writers handwriting is at the very lowest end of the spectrum, i.e., there is little or no basis for a match.
I don't have to tell you what is going to happen when I present your report and affidavit to a district
court judge. When Alex Hunter and Hal Haddon are finished with you, you will either look like Henry
Lee or Dennis Fung. Obviously this is going to be a "defining moment" for both of us. My former law
professor Barry Scheck just took a wicked hit in the Nanny murder trial, so it can happen to the best of us.
Trust me (as they say in Hollywood) when I tell you that if you're doing this solely for the money, then
you're nuts. This is "a career move." You better be in this because you "like the action." Because you're going to see plenty of it when this report hits the courts.
Best, Darnay Hoffman

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  Book available online
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-06-2017, 06:57 PM - Forum: JonBenet Ramsey: Prostitution of Justice - Replies (2)

His book is now free to read, but I paid to have it printed out so I can have it when he changes his mind.

http://www.tommillerlaw.com/JonBenet-Ramsey.shtml

So I know who he is, the role he played.  I have the FAX sent to him by Darnay - it is posted in the Darnay thread and in this area as wwell..   I know about his BORG position and his marriage to Judith Phillips who also found the BORG position a money-maker.

(Yeah, I don't like either of them much.  Sure they feel the same about me.)

Interesting tiny bit he wrote in his book - quoted here:

"By December, 1997, I accepted the inevitable. My home would be foreclosed upon and I would be homeless within a few months. I charged my last credit card to the limit to buy Christmas presents for my boys."

And on Judith's situation, we have this from Miller's book.

"By April, 1997, editors for the grocery store tabloids had made offers to Judith for her photographs. Network reporters, newspapers, magazines and marketing agencies were calling. Meanwhile, her divorce from her husband had become a quagmire. Her husband feared repercussions from John should Judith sell her work to anyone. Though aware that Judith wanted a divorce, he would not leave the home, nor was he paying the bills. As the financial ties of the marriage broke down, the tabloid offers of money became less complimentary and more a necessity for her impending divorce.

Since John and Patsy were clients of his, Phillips wanted to keep his wife’s artwork out of the hands of the press. When she decided to sell her photographs to the National Enquirer, Phillips refused to release her work from his safety deposit box. Judith then had to hire an attorney to retrieve the property from her husband’s control. In August, 1997, Robert Phillips moved out of the family home."

(I think the correct term would be he would not pay HER bills, not "the" bills. He was a lawyer and hardly likely to let his credit take a hit. JMO)

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