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  Odd quotes
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 11:31 AM - Forum: Fleet and Priscilla White - No Replies

“Fleet White came in to talk to me and Beckner,” Koby told Hunter. “White wants you off the case. He says you leaked stuff to one of the tabloids after you met with him last year.” Hunter remained silent. “He’s on the warpath, and he’s threatening to see the attorney general.” Koby said that White refused to cooperate with the police as long as Hunter was still on the case. In one conversation with detectives, White had even teased the officers: “What would you say if I told you the Ramseys owned Hi-Tec shoes?”

Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, Lawrence Schiller, page 593

My comment - Imagine being John and Patsy Ramsey  and being told Fleet White would not speak to you, had ignored your letters to them, but were chummy with BORG police like Steve Thomas - - and now he was wanting to have the DA (who was honestly on the fence, not choosing sides) to be removed!

And imagine being the parents who knew their 9 year old never owned a set of those boots - - being told the "friend" was "teasing" with such possibilities?

This reminds me of .... well, let's just say I can imagine Thomas telling the Whites they really, honestly, PROMISE they had evidence the ramseys did it but the stubborn killers just were refusing to be browbeaten in an interrogation and... oh, it might help if they know you are going to tell the truth - - even if it isn't - - if they think you accept they did it - - they might confess.  Just help us out.  Can you say you know they owned Hi-Tec boots?

In Fleet White's deposition, he did NOT say the Ramseys owned Hi-Tec boots.  Wish that was all public, it is not.  But he never said that as a fact, far from it.  So I think this "tease", if true, was said out of frustration.  He believed Thomas had evidence, he was not trying to lie but couldn't quite tell the truth, either.

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  the broken glass and suitcase
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 11:21 AM - Forum: Broken window/ Spider web - Replies (1)

JOHN RAMSEY:  So I went down to the basement. I went into this room with Fleet. I explained to him that this window had been cracked open and I closed it. That the window was broken, but I think it was broken by me once before. We got down on our hands and knees looking for some glass just to see.
LOU SMIT: What did you find?
JOHN RAMSEY: I think we found a few fragments of glass not enough to indicate that it was a fresh break.
LOU SMIT: What did you do with those fragments?
JOHN RAMSEY: We might have put them on the ledge, if I remember. It really wasn't much. We had only found one or two. We might have put them up here on the ledge.
LOU SMIT: Could you have put them on the suitcase?
JOHN RAMSEY: Ahhhh, it's possible but I don't remember doing that.
LOU SMIT: Was the suitcase, when you came back, in the same spot it was when you had been?
JOHN RAMSEY: I think I moved it to see or to look for glass then. But I think it was where I left it, where it was when I was down there before.

John Ramsey, 1998 interview

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  inconsistancies in his story
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 11:19 AM - Forum: John Ramsey - biography - No Replies

Found this bit in a transcript of a 1997 interview.  Read it and pay attention to the time. 

He said it was close to 11 when he and Fleet went to the basement and checked out the broken window, then he went to search the rest of the basement.  In truth, it was not 11 but 1.

Remember the BORG reported John telling JAR and Melinda they found the body around 11?  I honestly think John had suffered such a shock he simply lost time and his comments reflect that.

Of course the BORG says that proves he is a liar so he is guilty so he is the killer.  But I really don't see it that way.

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  Posts that might be found in MAD Magazine
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 11:08 AM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - Replies (13)

[Image: quote_icon.png] Originally Posted by Curiousmind48 [Image: viewpost-right.png]

Has anyone considered the possibility that jonbenet tried to kill herself that night, that she was so distraught that she stood on a chair and tied a rope around her own neck? I know she was only six, but even young children can be pushed to a certain limit and crack. Could patsy have found her daughter almost dead from strangulation and because that would blow the illusion of a perfect family, further staging might have taken place. Or the rope was so tight, it would not come off and it was clear she was in great distress and dying. Could someone have finished the job as a way to end her suffering? Of course, that doesn't explain the head injury. I dont believe an intruder was involved, but will say, the simplest explanation is often the right one.

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  The Darnay Hoffman FAX to Tom Miller
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-06-2017, 07:12 PM - Forum: JonBenet Ramsey: Prostitution of Justice - No Replies

Dear Tom,
Could you please fax me a copy of your c.v.? My fax number is (212) 496-****. I need to begin
preparing your court affidavit and a recital of your qualifications as a handwriting expert is essential.
You might be interested to know that I spoke with handwriting expert Paul A. Osborn who is, as you
probably already know, the grandson of Albert S. and son of Albert D. Osborn. He refuses to touch the Ramsey case with a ten foot pole. His reasons: he knows the handwriting experts who gave their reports to the defense team and to CBI --- four in all. According to Osborn these experts are supposedly top in their field (he won't give me their names) with impeccable ethical credentials. Their verdict: the similarities between Patsy and the ransom note writers handwriting is at the very lowest end of the spectrum, i.e., there is little or no basis for a match.
I don't have to tell you what is going to happen when I present your report and affidavit to a district
court judge. When Alex Hunter and Hal Haddon are finished with you, you will either look like Henry
Lee or Dennis Fung. Obviously this is going to be a "defining moment" for both of us. My former law
professor Barry Scheck just took a wicked hit in the Nanny murder trial, so it can happen to the best of us.
Trust me (as they say in Hollywood) when I tell you that if you're doing this solely for the money, then
you're nuts. This is "a career move." You better be in this because you "like the action." Because you're going to see plenty of it when this report hits the courts.
Best, Darnay Hoffman

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  Book available online
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-06-2017, 06:57 PM - Forum: JonBenet Ramsey: Prostitution of Justice - Replies (2)

His book is now free to read, but I paid to have it printed out so I can have it when he changes his mind.

http://www.tommillerlaw.com/JonBenet-Ramsey.shtml

So I know who he is, the role he played.  I have the FAX sent to him by Darnay - it is posted in the Darnay thread and in this area as wwell..   I know about his BORG position and his marriage to Judith Phillips who also found the BORG position a money-maker.

(Yeah, I don't like either of them much.  Sure they feel the same about me.)

Interesting tiny bit he wrote in his book - quoted here:

"By December, 1997, I accepted the inevitable. My home would be foreclosed upon and I would be homeless within a few months. I charged my last credit card to the limit to buy Christmas presents for my boys."

And on Judith's situation, we have this from Miller's book.

"By April, 1997, editors for the grocery store tabloids had made offers to Judith for her photographs. Network reporters, newspapers, magazines and marketing agencies were calling. Meanwhile, her divorce from her husband had become a quagmire. Her husband feared repercussions from John should Judith sell her work to anyone. Though aware that Judith wanted a divorce, he would not leave the home, nor was he paying the bills. As the financial ties of the marriage broke down, the tabloid offers of money became less complimentary and more a necessity for her impending divorce.

Since John and Patsy were clients of his, Phillips wanted to keep his wife’s artwork out of the hands of the press. When she decided to sell her photographs to the National Enquirer, Phillips refused to release her work from his safety deposit box. Judith then had to hire an attorney to retrieve the property from her husband’s control. In August, 1997, Robert Phillips moved out of the family home."

(I think the correct term would be he would not pay HER bills, not "the" bills. He was a lawyer and hardly likely to let his credit take a hit. JMO)

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  I met Rol
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-06-2017, 05:42 PM - Forum: Rol Hoverstock - No Replies

Father Rol Hoverstock

Pastor at St. John's Episcopal Church, 1419 Pine Street, Boulder, CO.




I personally met with Rol Hoverstock and talked to him about the murder of JonBenét and the later suspicion of her parents.  He clearly didn't want to give a "media" interview but agreed to meet with me and was very gracious.  He said JonBenét was a beautiful child, he couldn't imagine how anyone could have hurt her like they did.  He also said he was positive that her parents had done NOTHING to harm their daughter and never would have.  He felt they were being mistreated by the media and the police. 

He was clearly shook up when speaking about the day he got the call and was at the house when JonBenét's body was found.  He described the pain in that house that day and how overwhelming it was for ALL concerned, from the family to the friends to the officers who, as he reminded me, are only human too.

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  obituary
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-06-2017, 05:31 PM - Forum: Rol Hoverstock - No Replies

Rol Hoverstock, beloved minister and cyclist, dies in Boulder at 73
Holstock offered counsel to thousands, including family of JonBenét Ramsey
By Alex Burness
Staff Writer
Posted:   10/02/2015 08:08:12 PM MDT | Updated:   about a year ago


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Father Rol Hoverstock, longtime minister at St. John's Episcopal Church in Boulder, conducting the Blessing of the Animals to honor St Francis in 2003. He died Thursday. (Cliff Grassmick / Staff photographer)

Father Rol Hoverstock, longtime minister at St. John's Episcopal Church in downtown Boulder, and former owner of the iconic University Hill bike shop The Spoke, died late Thursday night. He was 73.
According to friends, Hoverstock had battled illness for months, and was admitted to hospice earlier this week. He died with his wife, Bea, and children, Molly and Joe, beside him.
"This is extremely sad news for everyone who knew and loved Rol," said Susan Springer, St. John's Rector, in a statement to the congregation. "He was friend, confidante, priest, mentor and companion on the way."
In his church capacity, clergy members say, Hoverstock was an effective, fair-minded leader.
"He got things done without invoking people's dislike or anger or anything like that," said Richard Collins, St. John's member and University of Colorado law professor.
Hoverstock was not an iconoclast — his views were consistent with the doctrine of the church, friends say — but he was a calm, reassuring voice to all types of people seeking his wisdom.
"I think he was so respected because he was so respecting to other people," friend Ginny Pine said. "Very strong in his faith, but very open to everybody."
Among those who sought his counsel were John and Patsy Ramsey, parents of JonBenét.
Not long after JonBenét's body was found inside the Ramsey's 15th Street home Dec. 26, 1996, Hoverstock led family and friends who were there in the Lord's Prayer.


"That was something that was a challenge, certainly, to his early years at St. John's," university classmate and lifelong friend David Cass said. "The press attention was a strain."
Hoverstock never spoke to the media about the case.
Prior to becoming a leader at St. John's in the mid-90s, he was a kid living outside Buffalo, N.Y., dreaming of going west for college. So, he enrolled at the University of Colorado.
"I think he just liked the idea of getting away from New York, and he loved it here," Cass said.
After college, he served in the AmeriCorps VISTA program in Florida. It was one of only two stints outside Colorado in his adult life; the other was to study in a South Dakota ministry.
One day in Florida, Cass was ushering a wedding, and he invited Hoverstock. There, Hoverstock met Bea, and the two remained together until his death.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Hoverstock co-owned The Spoke bicycle shop inside the University Hill space now occupied by Buchanan's coffeeshop.
Doug Emerson, who now owns University Bicycles on Pearl St., said Hoverstock would lead his employees on bike rides after close. The store, he said, was ahead of its time.
"This was back when most of the country was used to Schwinn stores," Emerson said. "The Spoke was a real pro's shop — Italian bicycles, British bicycles. He had the kind of stuff you didn't find in the U.S."
In whatever he did, loved ones say, he carried a strong belief in humanity, and always seemed to know the right thing to say, in any situation.
"He was an awesome man," friend Jim Bliley said. "He was loving, caring, and, in his own way, charismatic.
"He attracted people because of his love and humility as a person. He could always find the soft spot."
No memorial service has been announced yet, but St. John's has said it will update the community if and when a public one is scheduled.

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  Thread 1
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-05-2017, 05:23 PM - Forum: Listen Carefully: Truth and Evidence in the JonBenet Ramsey Case - Replies (21)

So I downloaded the book, finished Johnny Kerns' book and this is my next project. 

Page two already lets us know who they don't like.  They are talking about the end of the Ramsey call.  Correctly say the 911 operator was still engaging Patsy and entering information - - and "unbelievably, Patsy tried to hang up."

Patsy was in a panic, she had called for help, explained the situation and had to believe help would be there soon.  I personally fully understand why she would get off the phone - - she needed help THERE, not on the phone.  She needed to talk to John and think about who might have done this.  She didn't need to be talking to an operator, she wanted a COP!

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  new testing?
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-05-2017, 05:03 PM - Forum: DNA - more technical discussions - Replies (1)

(CNN)Authorities in Colorado are going to use new DNA testing technology in one of America's most famous unsolved murder cases.

But don't expect it to lead to an arrest in the 20-year-old JonBenet Ramsey case in the near future.
The Colorado Bureau of investigation is opening a new DNA testing facility in 2017 and will next year use new technology in the JonBenet case -- as well as other cold cases.




Boulder County District Attorney Stan Garnett told CNN's Jean Casarez that he expects the DNA testing results will be "not significant and not a big deal."
Garnett stressed the JonBenet investigation is much more than a DNA case. Any new results will only be significant if they can be matched with other evidence authorities already have.

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As he told CNN affiliate KMGH: "To ever have a prosecutable case, we have to have several different pieces of evidence come together."




Garnett told CNN that his office along with the Boulder Police Department meets periodically with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation as they continue to keep up with the changes in DNA testing.
The district attorney said he isn't sure whether they will use DNA from pieces of evidence or only re-test results they already have.
Boulder police officials said they will only have comments if there is new information to be announced.
JonBenet's body was found in on December 26, 1996, in the basement of the family's home in Boulder, hours after her mother discovered a handwritten, three-page ransom note.
JonBenet was found with a garrote fashioned out of rope embedded deep into her neck. The same rope was around one of her wrists. At the end of the garrote was a broken paintbrush that appeared to be from the art set of her mother Patsy Ramsey.
Her father, John Ramsey, said he removed duct tape from her mouth when he found his 6-year-old girl.
Two years after JonBenet's killing, with the case not close to being solved, Boulder's district attorney convened a grand jury in 1998.
At the conclusion of the proceedings 13 months later, then-Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter convened a press conference broadcast live nationwide.
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In 2008 there were new forensic findings. Unknown male DNA had been found on the waistband of JonBenet's long johns. Earlier tests had found unknown male DNA on the crotch of her underwear. The two samples matched or "were consistent" with each other, according to testing done by forensic scientist Dr. Angela Williamson.

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