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  Kane brought in Foster's info
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-10-2017, 05:27 PM - Forum: Grand Jury Indictments - No Replies

Grand jury to examine work of Vassar linguist

By Matt Sebastian
Camera Staff Writer

The grand jury investigating the JonBenét Ramsey murder apparently will review the work of a controversial linguist who concluded the 6-year-old's mother wrote the ransom note left in the family home.
Although he has not testified before the secret panel, Vassar College professor Donald Foster said he and prosecutor Michael Kane, who is presenting the case to the grand jury, have been discussing the matter.
"I've been in communication about how my work should best be presented but was asked not to discuss it," Foster said, declining to elaborate.
While handwriting analysis has indicated that Patsy Ramsey may have written the note, investigators apparently have not reached a definitive conclusion.
But a source close to the case told the Daily Camera last fall that Foster compared the language of the ransom note to Patsy Ramsey's writings and concluded JonBenét's mother penned the 2½-page note.
In fact, officials attending a two-day presentation of the case that detectives made to prosecutors in June called Foster's evidence crucial to the police theory of the crime, the source said.
Yet six months before going to work for Boulder police, Foster wrote to Patsy Ramsey, saying he believed "absolutely and unequivocally" that she was innocent.
Surprised police and prosecutors didn't find out about Foster's letter until several days after the June case presentation.
Last fall, when news of his letter to Patsy Ramsey surfaced, Foster refused to elaborate on his apparently contradictory analysis.
"I think that will be entirely explained in due course," Foster said in October.
Suzanne Laurion, the Boulder County district attorney's spokeswoman, declined to comment Thursday on Foster's involvement with the grand jury investigation.
An English professor at Vassar, Foster gained notoriety by linking Theodore Kaczynski to the Unabomber Manifesto and determining that Newsweek columnist Joe Klein was the anonymous author of the political novel "Primary Colors."
On Dec. 26, 1996, JonBenét Ramsey was found beaten and strangled in the basement of her parents' 15th Street home, about eight hours after Patsy Ramsey reportedly discovered the ransom note demanding $118,000 in exchange for the girl's safe return.
Boulder County's grand jury has been hearing evidence in the slaying since mid-September. JonBenét's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, remain under suspicion in the case. They have vehemently maintained their innocence.

January 29, 1999

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  Santa Bear
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-10-2017, 05:26 PM - Forum: odds and ends - Replies (2)

New twist in Ramsey case
Investigators ask public to help identify stuffed toy in photo
By Matt Sebastian
Camera Staff Writer

Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter, in a highly unusual move, appealed to the public Thursday to help identify a stuffed bear somehow connected to the JonBenét Ramsey murder investigation.
With no explanation of the toy's role in the 2-year-old investigation, the district attorney's office posted a photograph on the Internet of the furry white bear, dressed in a Santa Claus suit.
Investigators are trying to determine the bear's manufacturer and where such a stuffed animal could have been purchased in 1996 or earlier.
Such queries seem to imply detectives don't believe the bear belonged to JonBenét and now must find out who bought it and how it came to be in a crime-scene photo, presumably taken in the 6-year-old's bedroom.
"I make this public request for assistance knowing that it will give rise to considerable speculation about the status of the Ramsey case," Hunter said in a prepared statement released Thursday. "I intend to let this speculation take whatever course it will since to confirm or deny theories about what all this means would most certainly damage the ongoing investigation."
Suzanne Laurion, the district attorney's spokeswoman, would not elaborate on where the bear was photographed, whether police seized it as evidence or if the Ramseys have denied owning such a toy.
"We have nothing more to say," Laurion said Thursday.
Six-year-old JonBenét Ramsey was found beaten and strangled in the basement of her parents' Boulder home Dec. 26, 1996.
Police have named no suspects, although JonBenét's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, remain under suspicion. They repeatedly have denied any involvement in their daughter's death.
Hunter convened the county's grand jury in September to investigate the case. The 12 jurors and five alternates met again Thursday.
A Ramsey attorney also declined Thursday to discuss the mysterious stuffed bear.
Despite having observed police present their entire case last June, at least one member of Hunter's prosecution team was completely unaware of the bear.
"I don't know anything about it," Adams County District Attorney Bob Grant said. "This is the first I've heard of it."
Judging from the grainy photograph, the bear appears to be lying next to a Barbie doll on a bed spread or comforter.
The search warrant affidavit filed in Boulder District Court for the Ramseys' 15th Street home lists no stuffed animals in the inventory of items seized by detectives. A comforter from JonBenét's bed, as well as sheets and a pillowcase, are listed, though.
Denver legal analyst Andrew Cohen believes the district attorney's handling of this situation insinuates the bear is missing.
"If they had the bear, they'd say, 'We have this bear and we want to know where it comes from,' " Cohen said Thursday. "The ambiguity of it all probably suggests that they don't."
But the air of mystery surrounding the toy may not necessarily mean it's connected to the killer.
"You can't leap to the conclusion that the bear was used to lure the little girl out of her bedroom to the basement where she met her death," Cohen said.
Joseph Matthews, a retired Miami Beach homicide investigator, believes detectives are just wrapping up all the loose ends of their case.
"There's a game plan by the defense attorneys to come up with enough reasonable doubt that they could present to the jury if this could ever go to trial," Matthews said.
A stuffed animal that no one can explain could easily be used to raise such doubt and, therefore, must be checked out, the former detective said.
Investigators also could be doing the same thing in their quest to match unidentified DNA found on JonBenét's body and clothing. As recently as this month, detectives continued to take samples in hopes of identifying the unknown genetic material.
"I think they're just covering all the bases now," Matthews said.
According to the DA's office, the bear is about a foot long, with its torso and face covered in white, furry fabric. It's wearing a red Santa jacket, pants and a hat.
The clothing is trimmed along the edges with material that looks like curly lamb's wool. A half-inch-wide black belt is strapped around the bear's stomach. Attached to the belt with a shiny gold loop is brown pouch, about three inches long.
Any information on this specific bear, including photographs of possible matches, should be sent to Hunter, in care of the Boulder County District Attorney's Office, 1777 Sixth St., Boulder 80302

January 29, 1999 |

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  Police want Mills' inttapes
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-10-2017, 05:24 PM - Forum: odds and ends - No Replies

Ramsey tapes wanted by DA

By Matt Sebastian
Camera Staff Writer

Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter has requested an unedited version of a University of Colorado journalism professor's interviews with the parents of JonBenét Ramsey.
Suzanne Laurion, Hunter's spokeswoman, said Tuesday that the district attorney asked professor Michael Tracey for the videotapes but has received no response.
Although Tracey was willing to discuss the documentary he co-produced, when contacted Tuesday he wouldn't comment on Hunter's request for the uncut footage.
Boulder police made a similar request to CNN in early 1997 after the cable news network aired an interview with John and Patsy Ramsey — the couple's first media appearance, one that came before the parents even talked extensively to investigators.
CNN complied with that request.
Tracey and two Newsweek reporters sat down with the Ramseys in Atlanta in February to discuss the murder of 6-year-old JonBenét, whose strangled and beaten body was discovered in the Ramseys' Boulder home on Dec. 26, 1996.
A year and a half after the slaying, police have named no suspects. Although JonBenét's parents deny any involvement in the girl's death, police have said the couple remains under suspicion.
Last month, the Ramseys were interviewed for three days by representatives of Hunter's office. Hunter is considering presenting the case to a grand jury, although Laurion said no decision had been made.
The documentary, which Tracey co-produced with a fellow Briton, David Mills, will air Thursday on England's Channel 4.
The CU professor is still seeking an American outlet for the film, which he describes as a criticism of the media coverage of the Ramsey case.
"We insist on maintaining a fairly high level of editorial control of the program that goes out in the U.S.," Tracey said, noting that the networks so far have not acquiesced to that demand.
Should the documentary ever be aired in America, it won't be the same program seen this week in England.
The British version runs about 50 minutes, Tracey said, while the American cut is 75 minutes, which could be aired over an hour and a half with commercials.
The British version also doesn't feature much of the actual interview with John and Patsy Ramsey.
To cut it down in length, Tracey said, "We had to lose something and, ironically, we had to lose them."
The American version of the documentary features "much more" of the interview, which Tracey called "compelling," as well as some unseen home video footage of the family and JonBenét.

July 8, 1998

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  COORS Event center
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-10-2017, 05:23 PM - Forum: odds and ends - Replies (7)

O.J. vets to attend Ramsey review
Boulder police prepare overview of killing for the district attorney
By Thomas Henry Eaton and Matt Sebastian
Camera Staff Writers

When Boulder police present the JonBenét Ramsey murder case to the district attorney next week, two veterans of the O.J. Simpson defense team will be there, along with several Denver area prosecutors and police officers.
About 26 people are expected to observe the case presentation Monday and Tuesday at the Coors Events and Conference Center at the University of Colorado.
Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter has said he will decide within 30 days of the presentation whether to grant investigators' request for a grand jury investigation into the unsolved slaying. Six-year-old JonBenét was found dead in her family's basement Dec. 26, 1996, several hours after being reported kidnapped.
Two Simpson alumni, Dr. Henry Lee, director of the Connecticut State Police Forensic Science Laboratory, and Barry Scheck, an attorney famed for his DNA analysis, will bring their insight to Boulder next week.
"I want those people who have been on the case from the beginning and those who bring fresh approaches to analyzing and evaluating the evidence," Hunter said Thursday.
"I want my longtime, trusted advisers there."
To that effect, 10 members of Hunter's staff will be present, including Chief Trial Deputy Peter Hofstrom; assistant district attorneys Bill Wise and Phil Miller; Chief Deputy Pete Maguire; senior trial deputies Trip DeMuth, Mary Keenan and John Pickering; and retired Colorado Springs detective Lou Smit.
Hunter's newest staff member, grand jury specialist Michael Kane, also will attend. Kane reported to work Tuesday and was sworn in by Boulder District Chief Judge Joseph Bellipanni as a deputy district attorney.
Three Denver area district attorneys have been invited as well — Adams County's Bob Grant, Denver's Bill Ritter and Arapahoe County's Jim Peters.
For investigative expertise, Hunter will bring along Tom Haney, a 29-year veteran of the Denver Police Department currently supervising homicide investigations, and Dan Schuler, a witness interview specialist from the Broomfield Police Department.
The Ramsey case will be presented by Detective Cmdr. Mark Beckner and Sgt. Tom Wickman, along with the six detectives still assigned to the investigation.
Beckner and Hunter are scheduled to hold a press conference at the end of the two-day meeting.

Friday, May 29, 1998

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  news stories on cord
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-10-2017, 05:21 PM - Forum: cord ligature - wrist - No Replies

Cord checked in Ramsey case
Nylon used in strangling bought locally, sources say
By MATT SEBASTIAN, Camera Staff Writer
Monday, March 9, 1998
Investigators are almost certain the nylon cord used to strangle JonBenét Ramsey came from a Boulder surplus store, sources have told the Daily Camera.
Detectives purchased the Boulder Army Store's entire stock of Stansport white nylon utility cord on May 22, and sent the samples to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation for comparison to the rope found around the 6-year-old's neck and right wrist.
Shannon Long, co-owner of the Boulder Army Store, wouldn't talk on Friday about the police visit, although he confirmed detectives purchased the cord.
"Yeah, they came in - and whatever they bought, they bought," Long said.
The surplus store is at 1545 Pearl St., just past the east end of the Downtown Mall.
The 1/4-inch-wide Stansport cord - which comes packaged in lengths of 50 and 100 feet and often is used for camping or outdoor activities - also is available at McGuckin Hardware.
Sources said Boulder investigators only purchased the nylon cord from the Boulder Army Store, not at McGuckin Hardware.
When asked if investigators had bought quantities of Stansport cord, a McGuckin manager said, "We don't have any comment."
Cmdr. Mark Beckner, who is heading the Ramsey investigation team, could not be reached for comment Friday.
JonBenét Ramsey was found beaten and strangled in the basement of her 15th Street home Dec. 26, 1996.
More than a year later, detectives have no suspects, although they have maintained the 6-year-old's parents remain "under an umbrella of suspicion."
Investigators have determined that the stick used to tighten the garrote around JonBenét's neck was a broken paintbrush found in an arts and crafts basket in the Ramseys' basement.
It is unclear if detectives have been able to ascertain whether the Stansport cord - like the paintbrush - was known to have been in the Ramsey home before the murder.

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  lost interviews
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-10-2017, 05:20 PM - Forum: Police errors - No Replies

Report: Police lose JonBenét evidence
Detectives re-examine duct tape discovered by John Ramsey
Associated Press
Monday, February 16, 1998
Boulder-- Police investigating the murder of JonBenét Ramsey have retraced steps taken in the 14-month investigation because authorities lost evidence, friends of the Ramseys said in a published report.
In another report, police are said to be taking another look at a piece of duct tape John Ramsey said he pulled from the mouth of his 6-year-old daughter when he found her body.
The Rocky Mountain News reported Sunday that friends of the Ramseys have been asked for new interviews. The friends, whose names were not given, said police told them they couldn't find the originals.
Some also were asked for new palm prints for the same reason.
In one case, two interviews -conducted the day after JonBenets body was found Dec. 26, 1996 - were missing two weeks later, sources told the News.
When questioned about the need for new interviews, police said, "Well, we just can't find it. We have to do it again," the sources said.
The Denver Post reported Sunday that investigators have sent the duct tape in for a DNA test. The Post quoted unidentified sources who said an autopsy found no sign of skin damage on the childs mouth. They said ripping duct tape off normally would cause some skin marks.
The Post said investigators believe DNA tests should help determine whether the tape was ever on the childs mouth.
Meanwhile, Adams County District Attorney Bob Grant, who has acted as a consultant to Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter in the case, said it is not unusual for investigators to cover the same ground twice.
"If you go and take a fingerprint from somebody, you don't necessarily take a palm print," he said. "If you interview somebody about item a, b and c, and you go back and interview them again about d, e and f, it doesn't mean you dont ask them again about a, b and c."
Some repeat requests came after Cmdr. Mark Beckner was assigned to lead the eight detectives investigating the case.
Beckner said late last year that he and the eight detectives assigned to the case had identified more than 70 tasks, including re-interviewing friends, family and neighbors of the Ramseys.
Some people who had given palm prints in the past were recently contacted by detectives who wanted to know if they had ever given palm prints.
"I said, 'You should know this, shouldnt you?'" said one Ramsey family friend. "And (the detective) said, 'If I knew the answer, I wouldn't have asked.'"
Other sources told the News that police said they had misfiled the palm prints and no longer could find them.
Earlier reports of lost evidence were refuted by police. A published report last month alleged that a heavy flashlight found during the initial search of the Ramsey home had been missing and was only recently found. Boulder investigators said the flashlight never was lost and had been analyzed by the Colorado Bureau of Investigation months ago.
Boulder police were unavailable for comment Sunday.

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  Flashlight thread
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-10-2017, 05:17 PM - Forum: Head Injury - No Replies

Magazine: JonBenet flashlight found
Monday, January 12, 1998
A flashlight possibly used to inflict a fatal head wound on 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey was found during a review of evidence at Boulder police headquarters, according news reports.
The flashlight was first spotted on a kitchen counter in the Ramsey home on Dec. 26, 1996, the first day of the investigation, but had disappeared, according to an article in this week's issue of Time magazine.
After Boulder Police Cmdr. Mark Beckner ordered a review of all case files and materials, almost a year later, a flashlight was found in an evidence storage room at police headquarters.
The flashlight does not appear to belong to any police officers, according to the magazine.
"Cops had long suspected that a weighty black flashlight was used to inflict the fatal 8-inch head wound on the six-year-old beauty queen after she was garroted," reported Dick Woodbury, Time's Denver bureau chief.
Boulder Police Chief Tom Koby declined to comment on the report.
"We have never commented on rumors and speculations, and we are going to stay consistent with that," City of Boulder spokeswoman Leslie Aaholm said.
Ramsey was found slain in the basement of her parents' home Dec. 26, 1996. No arrests have been made. In addition to the massive skull fracture, she was found strangled with a garrote made from a broken paint brush found in the home. There were also signs of possible sexual abuse.
The flashlight has been sent to the Colorado Bureau of Investigations for lab testing, according to the brief article, which appears in the magazine's "Scoop" section.
"Police believe the flashlight's heavy rubber coating seems consistent with an instrument that could deliver a crushing blow yet not cause bleeding," the magazine reports, without identifying a source.
A flashlight was listed among several blunt objects collected at the Ramsey's Boulder home, according to four search warrants released Sept. 29.
Other seized items, which could have been used to strike Ramsey, included a baseball bat, golf clubs, a red clay brick and a hammer.

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  Dec 1997 - public for 1st time
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-10-2017, 05:15 PM - Forum: Stun Gun - Replies (1)

Ramsey attorney: stun gun possible
Camera Staff Report
Saturday, December 20, 1997
The lead attorney for John Ramsey said Friday a stun gun may have been used in the Dec. 26 slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey.
Bryan Morgan said his clients have known about the stun gun for "many months," partly because detectives investigating the case were asking neighbors questions about such a weapon, which is used to immobilize people through the use of electric shock.
Boulder police and prosecutors wouldn't comment on the revelation.
"You can call it speculation. You can call it a rumor," said Boulder city spokeswoman Leslie Aaholm. "Call it what you like. It's an investigative detail. We're not going to comment."
Christopher Mueller, a criminal law professor at the University of Colorado, said, "If police are asking potential witnesses whether they own a stun gun, there is some indication that the police have information that such a tool was used in the crime and it could signal a new direction."
But, he added, "another possibility is that this rumor has surfaced, and the police simply have to either confirm it or put it to rest."
Margaret Dillon, who lives in the 750 block of 14th Street, told the Los Angeles Times that Boulder police detectives queried her about a stun gun. She only would confirm to the Daily Camera that she was interviewed for the first time by police last Wednesday.
Three other neighbors contacted by the Camera said they were never asked about stun guns in recent police interviews. Frances Smith, one of Dillon's neighbors, said she, too, was interviewed in the last week. But no mention was made of a stun gun.
"Well, they asked if we heard anything unusual the night of the murder, and of course we didn't," Smith said. "They were here only a very short time. They didn't mention a stun gun. I don't know what a stun gun even is."
Although Dillon said this week's visit was the first by police, Smith said detectives have talked to her three times.
"At the beginning of the activities after the murder, we had two of the Boulder policemen come by at various times," Smith said. "At one time, they wanted to go through our backyard, which of course they did, and the other time was more or less to see if we heard anything or saw anything unusual."
Another neighbor, who asked not to be named, said when new detectives came to his home this week they asked if he'd heard a scream the night of the girl's murder. He said he didn't, but he was in bed with the flu that night.
But, Morgan said, "We have known for some time that law enforcement believed a stun gun was used in the commission of this crime. We have refused any comment about it until it became apparent that the police interviews on the subject had been revealed to the press."
The Ramsey family and its representatives did not reveal the information sooner because of concerns that news reports of police inquiries would cause the killer to dispose of such a weapon, Morgan said.
Morgan said the Ramsey family "does not own such a weapon and have not ever owned such a weapon." Rachelle Zimmer, a lawyer and spokesperson for the family, told the Los Angeles Times, "It must now be clear to any open-minded person that this vicious crime was committed by an outsider."
Nearly a year ago, John Ramsey and a friend found JonBenet strangled, beaten and apparently sexually assaulted in the basement of the family's home about eight hours after the girl was reported kidnapped.
He said family representatives did not have access to autopsy reports or other documents to indicate whether such a weapon actually was used on the girl, or if such a weapon was simply recovered during the investigation.
However, "we are satisfied that the law enforcement authorities have a firm basis for their belief that such a weapon was used," he said.
Jack Mitchell, part-owner of Universal Electronics, which sells stun guns in Indiana and Michigan, said, "If a stun gun was used, it would be to silence a person. ... Once you shock the person, they couldn't scream or anything."
A person shocked by a stun gun would be knocked unconscious in less than two seconds, he said. A typical hand-held stun gun would leave red marks and bumps, possibly two bumps an inch and half to two inches apart. If someone modified the stun gun's voltage, it could burn the skin and even cause puncture wounds.
Among a variety of abrasions on the 6-year-old's body, JonBenet's autopsy mentions "two small scratch-like abrasions" on the girl's left lower leg. It also refers to a "rust-colored abrasion" below her right ear.
But Z. G. Standing Bear, a Colorado State University professor with 35 years of criminal justice experience, including a stint as a coroner, said "it's possible, not probable" that an autopsy would reveal evidence of a stun gun assault.
"There's no research on that, especially on little kids," Standing Bear said.
Camera staff writers Christopher Anderson, Clay Evans, Julie Poppen and Matt Sebastian contributed to this report.

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  Morgue art - - May 1997
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-10-2017, 05:12 PM - Forum: JT Colfax - No Replies

Arrest made in theft of morgue pages
Friday, May 23, 1997
Boulder police arrested James Michael Thompson of Denver Thursday on charges of theft under $100 and criminal mischief. Thompson allegedly stole log pages from the morgue at Boulder Community Hospital that included the entry of JonBenet Ramsey, the 6-year-old girl found strangled in her home Dec. 26.
Thompson, 33, was formally charged Thursday afternoon and released on $1,000 bond.
Thompson, an artist who uses the pseudonym J.T. Colfax, said he was drunk when he took the pages from the Boulder Community Hospital morgue on April 29. On May 8, hospital officials reported that two pages in the log were missing, including the page with the Ramsey notation.
He also faces five counts of abuse of a corpse in connection with the photographs of corpses adorned with party noisemakers and signs reading "Happy Halloween," "Getting Fired Isn't the End of the World" and "Yee Haw." Police said Thompson told them the photos were "shock art."
Also Thursday, the Boulder County District Attorney's office filed a motion asking a judge to continue to seal search warrants and other documents in the Ramsey murder.

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  Shreveport letter
Posted by: jameson245 - 05-10-2017, 05:11 PM - Forum: odds and ends - Replies (1)

Letter may shed light on murder mystery
Camera Staff Writer
Friday, February 7, 1997
Boulder Police are seeking the author of an anonymous, handwritten letter that may provide insight into the murder of JonBenet Ramsey.
The letter - mailed from Shreveport, La., and postmarked Jan. 27 - apparently reports details relevant to the homicide, sources said.
"There's a good possibility that it has facts in it that the media haven't reported yet," a source said. "It'd be very helpful to find out what exactly the author knows so we can use the information, along with things like DNA test results, and arrest a suspect."
Police began investigating the slaying after John Ramsey, JonBenet's father, and a friend discovered the 6-year-old strangled in the Ramseys' home at 755 15th St. on Dec. 26. About eight hours earlier, Patsy Ramsey, JonBenet's mother, found a ransom note demanding $118,000 and called police.
As authorities continue to search for clues, Boulder Police detective Steve Thomas called the Shreveport Police Department Wednesday. "He said the letter contained information that could be important to the case," said Cindy Chadwick, spokeswoman for the Louisiana depart-
Police have asked people not to respond to the plea unless they wrote the letter. "This is not a request for unsolicited or psychic information," Thomas said in a press release from the Shreveport Police Department.
Boulder Police have not contacted Chadwick about sending an investigator to Louisiana, she added.
"We probably won't fly someone down there unless something major turns up," one source said. "There's a chance that the person who wrote this letter just mailed it from Shreveport and doesn't live there, so flying someone there could be a waste of time. Hopefully, we'll find the person, because on the surface, the letter seems very interesting."
Sources said the department does not immediately plan to submit the letter for handwriting analysis.
City spokeswoman Leslie Aaholm declined to comment on the contents of the letter. "The police want to find the author to ask some follow-up questions," Aaholm said. "We hope the person will come forward. But I guess the opposite could happen: If they were hesitant to sign their name in the first place, this (media attention) may convince them that they made the right decision."
The department has received 600 letters and more than 1,300 calls about the murder, Aaholm noted.
"I'm sure the police have gotten a lot of letters, and I hope they find who wrote the Shreveport letter," a Ramsey family friend said. "It could be anyone, even someone at the Miss USA contest (held Wednesday) in Shreveport. I mean, JonBenet and Patsy were in beauty pageants, so the author might be someone from those contests or other contests."
Meanwhile, police continue to await complete DNA test results from the Colorado Bureau of Investigation.
"They're done with some of the preliminary processing," a source said, noting that investigators recently returned to Georgia to interview Nedra Paugh, Patsy Ramsey's mother. "Everything could come back as early as (today), or it may be a little while longer. Those tests, other evidence and interviewing people will help us build a really strong case.

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