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Posted by: jameson245 - 03-28-2017, 12:34 PM - Forum: Prior sexual abuse - No Replies

Ramsey doctors: No history of abuse
Camera Staff Writer
March 16, 1997
JonBenet Ramsey's family has provided the district attorney a psychiatrist's videotaped interview with the girl's 10-year-old brother, a pediatrician's records and other information that they contend indicates the family has no history of sexual abuse, a source says.
The family has made Burke Ramsey's interview with the psychiatrist - who was selected by the Boulder County Department of Social Services - and all of JonBenet's medical records available to the prosecutor. They also allowed pediatrician Dr. Francesco Beuf and his nurses to speak with investigators.
"Police could not have obtained those things on their own, because they don't have subpoena power," said a source. "All that was completely voluntary on the part of the family."
The Ramseys' investigators also have conducted exhaustive interviews with family members, friends and people from deep in the past of JonBenet's mother, Patsy. But thus far, they have failed to turn up any evidence of past abuse of the murdered 6-year-old or her mother, the source said.
Police have been similarly stymied, according to sources.
Neither police nor District Attorney Alex Hunter would comment on what information the family has provided or the status of the investigation regarding past sexual abuse of JonBenet. Some close to the Ramseys say they were asked about abuse during police questioning. John and Patsy Ramsey have not yet agreed to be interviewed by police.
JonBenet's body was discovered in the basement of her family's University Hill home by John Ramsey and a friend on Dec. 26, about eight hours after her mother found a three-page ransom note demanding $118,000 for the girl's safe return. A coroner's examination found that she had been struck on the head, strangled with a cord and sexually assaulted before she died.
Police still have not named any suspects in the case, but two weeks ago ruled out John Ramsey's two children by a previous marriage, John Andrew Ramsey, 20, and Melinda Ramsey, 26.
The taped interview of Burke Ramsey demonstrates that the boy has not been molested and is unaware of any abuse of his sister, a source said. In addition, records from Beuf show no indication of abuse, the source said.
Investigators have invested hundreds of hours pursuing the sexual abuse angle, scouring the nation for any evidence that JonBenet, her two half-sisters - Melinda and Elizabeth, 22, who was killed in a 1992 car accident - or Patsy Ramsey were ever molested.
They've gone so far as to query reporters about what they know and exhumed a 5-year-old autopsy report on Elizabeth. (Police have since said Elizabeth's death has no implications in the JonBenet case.)
Besides the more obvious ramifications of possible past sexual abuse of JonBenet, investigators have tried to determine whether Patsy may have been abused in the past. Some have theorized that such a history could have created a psychological complex allowing her to deny the abuse of her daughter, or even to pen a false ransom note.
Two groups of handwriting experts, one from the Colorado Bureau of Investigation and the other hired by the Ramsey family, have concluded that John Ramsey did not write a ransom note found in the case, but that they cannot exclude the possibility that Patsy Ramsey did. Investigators for the family, however, called that possibility "highly unlikely."
While a coroner's report found JonBenet had been sexually assaulted before she was killed, "experts" have differed widely as to whether the evidence supports previous or chronic abuse. The coroner's report found "chronic inflammation and epithelial erosion" in the girl's vagina, leading Dr. Cyril Wecht, coroner of Allegheny County, Pa., to conclude that there was abuse at least two days before her death.
But others say anyone who hasn't examined the actual tissue couldn't reach a reliable conclusion.
"Poor hygiene can cause chronic inflammation," Dr. Joan Slook, a pediatrician with the Baylor College of Medicine in Houston, told the Daily Camera. "Some little girls can have asymptomatic bladder infections that can cause irritation in the vagina."
At the same time, other experts caution that sexual abuse of young children does not necessarily leave evidence easily detected in routine pediatric examinations. The abuse could consist of oral or manual contact, or the perpetrator may convince or force the child to touch his or her genitals instead.
JonBenet's vagina was not penetrated, sources say, but there were "bruises" or marks in her genital area.
"Signs of physical abuse are pretty obvious when you see bruises or fractures or abrasions," said Dr. Richard Krugman, dean of the University of Colorado Medical School in Denver and former director of the Kempe National Center for the Prevention and Treatment of Child Abuse and Neglect. But "children can be sexually abused and have perfectly normal exams."
Far more important in determining a history of abuse are the child's statements, followed by his or her demeanor and behavior, experts say.
That's why Ramsey family representatives think the videotape of Burke Ramsey is significant: The interview clearly shows that the boy has not been abused and that he has no knowledge of any unusual problems with his sister, a source said. He also is full of praise and love for his parents, said the source.
"If you ask if perpetrators of sexual abuse are likely to abuse only same-sex or opposite sex children, some are and some aren't," Krugman said. "Some will sexually abuse all children."
Siblings and parents may well be aware that abuse of a child is occurring, he said, "but not always."


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  CBI noted in BPD report
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-28-2017, 12:30 PM - Forum: Stun Gun - Replies (1)

BPD report #26-58

"Sue Ketchum of the CBI is shown the photos of the marks and she indicated that they could very well be made from a stun gun."

That was in the Paula Woodward book.  I don't think she would misquote a police report but wish she had shared the date for that piece of information.  On the same page in that book (148) she talks about Kolar and his theory that the marks were left by the end of a piece of toy railroad track.  She says the DA, Mary Lacy, "discounted the information".

I have an issue with Paula not using names.   Kolar was being discounted or discredited time and time again - - in his own book he includes a letter from Lacy saying he is not honest about the evidence.  But in  this book, by not including his name, Paula really is not saving herself from a lawsuit - - she is, IMO, protecting certain people.  My theory is she REALLY doesn't want to burn bridges and hopes not using names will give her some advantage  if she wants to speak to these people later on.

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  or Twilight Zone
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-27-2017, 05:16 PM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - No Replies

It has been suggested that Burke was gone the next morning as well - - replaced by some alien form.. That theory has the aliens taking both kids to the basement, accidentally killing JonBenet when she wouldn't cooperate.  Burke saw that and cooperated - his replacement got a good home and THAT is what we saw on Dr. Phil.

Yep, there are loons out there with all kinds of theories.

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  Watch the New Trailer for Netflix's JonBenét Ramsey Documentary
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 03-27-2017, 09:27 AM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - No Replies


(my comments about preview:I understand the house in Boulder is VERY unique and VERY hard to recreate, but cmon, this house looks nothing like theirs. Ive seen houses before that have a similar structure as the Boulder house... they could have found  a better house, lol)

Watch the New Trailer for Netflix's JonBenét Ramsey Documentary
Kate Samuelson
Mar 24, 2017

The trailer for Netflix's documentary about slain child beauty queen JonBenét Ramsey, who was found beaten and strangled in the basement of her family’s Colorado home in 1996, has been released. Casting JonBenét, directed and produced by Kitty Green, explores the sensational child murder case that captivated America and remains unsolved more than two decades later. An investigation that has considered more than 140 suspects, including family members, has failed to bring criminal charges.

The trailer shows local actors auditioning for the roles of JonBenét and her parents, John and Patsy Ramsey. For the documentary, the filmmakers spent more than 15 months eliciting responses, reflections and performances from the Ramsey family's Colorado hometown community.

This is not the first time the complex case has been tackled for television. In 2016, People Magazine Investigates took a fresh look at it in an episode entitled “JonBenét: The Untold Truth" and CBS aired a documentary miniseries called The Case Of: JonBenét Ramsey.

Last October, it was revealed that Burke Ramsey, JonBenet's brother, is suing a famed forensic pathologist for $150 million after the expert “falsely stated that Burke Ramsey killed his sister,” according to a court filing. Two months later, Boulder, Colorado, District Attorney Stan Garnett, who is the current prosecutor in the case, told People that he has not wavered from his belief that his predecessor was wrong to publicly clear John, Patsy and Burke from suspicion.
“John, Burke, the Ramsey family are totally covered by the presumption of innocence and are entitled to that,” Garnett said. “If we ever change our opinion about that with regard to the Ramseys or anyone else, we will file charges and say what we have to say about the case in open court.”

Casting JonBenét premieres on Netflix on April 28.

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  What this book is about
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 03-26-2017, 07:27 PM - Forum: Patsy Ramsey: What the Pilot's Wife Knew - Replies (3)

I bought this on amazon a few months ago and just got around to reading it.

The beginning of the book starts about how she first met the Ramsey family. Her husband, was the Ramsey family personal plot. At first, she didnt know what to expect. They met at Pasta Jays and she fell in love with them. She felt John was stand offish and thought she did something for him to be quiet... but we all know thats just his personality and I doubt it was anything personal.

She talked to Pam about her pageant days. Pam assumed she would be a snob when she found out Patsy was in huge beauty pageants but realized she wasnt like that at all. She realized they both loved to volunteer.

Pam talked about being at the Ramsey Christmas party. She commented how beautiful and big their house was. The christmas decorations were beautiful. Patsy showed her around the house and told her about times she was sick with cancer. She said the whole family would have a family movie night in their bed because she was too sick to leave. They had popcorn and had wonderful times together. 

Pam said the Christmas party was catered and there was TONS of food.

During Pams tour of their house, she commented on how beautiful JonBenet's room was. Pam said she had a beautiful room growing up but she didnt get to pick anything out so she didnt really like it. Patsy commented and said that too bad because its nice to let children pick out their own colors of their room.

Pam said John and Patsys floor had their own refrigerator.

She (Pam) noticed Patsy's love for birdhouses. She said Patsy had many in her kitchen. She said she found a beautiful one and bought one for Patsy. She imagined how nice it would look inside Patsy's kitchen. Patsy ended up taking it to Charvoix and had it outside. She seemed very bothered that Patsy would put it outside and have it ruined by the weather. She said she never found out why Patsy took it outside. To me, she sounds super silly. She gave it to Patsy as a gift... its a BIRD HOUSE! There should be no stipulations on how a BIRD HOUSE should be used. Ridiculous.

She talked about the YWCA roaring 20's and 30's fashion show they did to raise money. At the end, Patsy and JonBenet walked hand and hand in matching outfits. Everyone loved it. 

She said Patsy helped volunteering whenever possible and everyone loved her. She raised money for Boulder county safehouse chocolate lover fling and ironically sat on stage as a judge with Sheriff  of Boulder County, George EPP.


She said JonBenet was so full of life and the possibilities were endless in her life. She said she had great role models in her life. John and Patsy  provided SECURITY, LOVE and EDUCATION to their kids. She said John and Patsy truly care(d) about their kids and wanted them to experince everything in life. Life became meaniful after her first cancer scare, Why would she take a life  when she almost lost hers?

Her husband,  Michael said he NEVER witnessed ANY abuse of ANY KIND!!!

She talked about a beautiful memory she had the Ramsey family... They spent some time in the summer of 1994 at their charlovix house. Everyone had a great time, eating smores..  fire...dancing.. GOOD FAMILY FUN!!

She played with JonBenet and asked her if she believed in Fairies. JonBenet was super excited and said she did! She said saw she a fairy in a distance and loved chasing the "Fairies" around.

As the fire dimmed out, she asked Patsy if she wished upon a falling star. Patsy commented how she wished she would her cancer wouldnt return until she could send her kids off to college.  She said she wanted to see her kids grew up. Pam said she wished so badly for that because PATSY WAS A CARING MOTHER! Pam said she never wanted the night to end.

One day she said JonBenet lost her jolly ranchers. JonBenet told michael he needed to help her find them. She then said she thinks she threw them down the laundry shoot with their dirty laundry. Pam and  Michael laughed 

Pam wrote that she talked one time with Patsy how children are too trusting of people. Patsy replied "too trusting" . Patsy commented how JonBenet would walk up to strangers and talk with them.

Pam wasnt sure about pageants and didnt know if JonBenet liked them. After she won Miss Charolvix, she handed Pam and Michael a poster with her picture on it.. signed xo xo xo JonBenet.

She commented at the 1995 christmas party that it seemed Santa gave JonBenet extra attention.

December, 1996.. Patsy asked Pam to drive JonBenet in her convertible at the Boulder Parade of lights. 

She said everything went okay until a very well dressed man started running towards their car. He had a very angry face on him.  It happened so fast. They sped up before he got to their car. She stated he looked very familiar and gave her a strange feeling like she knew who he was. 

She talked about the day of the 26th. She said John called them at 6:10 about the kidnapping. They discussed the possibility of John's older kids being in danger too. At that time they had no idea what was really going on.

Pam received a call from Fleet White around 8:00 am.  Fleet started questioning about michael and Johns flight. Pam told fleet she didnt know who he was and questioned if he was the kidnapper and had plans trying to get to Johns other children. Fleet got pissed. Fleet gave her his number to verify his identify.

Pam had a friend come over because she felt upset and needed support. When they found out JonBenet was murdered, they began to sob.

They said the day JonBenet died, they felt a cool breeze. They said it made them feel like JonBenet was okay. They were shocked and in disbelief. She said her husband Michael was closer to JonBenet then she was but they were still so sad.

During the grand jury time.. they stayed at their house because they knew it would be more out of the radar.

The day Burke went infront of the grand jury was long for them. They waited anxiously for Burke to come back. He was there all day and was brought back by Ellis Armstead. Burke came back really tired and wanted to be by himself. They made him feel as comfortable as possible. 

She watched two great people get destroyed by the media. She knew in her well being that they are innocent and did not kill JonBenet.

Many media said Michael hid the murder weapon. They were never really contacted by the Media until one day they came home with Media EVERYWHERE. Their neighbor didnt know they knew the Ramseys so he didnt know what was going on. They went into his property and got too close. So their neighbor came out with a shovel to scare away the reporters. The police eventually came.

They found out Michaels brother, Gary sold a bogus story to the tabloid because they were low on money.

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  Can you help?
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-26-2017, 04:58 PM - Forum: GO FUND ME - a way anyone can help - Replies (15)


So you read about the murder and feel bad, wish the case was solved so the killer could pay for the horrendous crime.

I have posted a small reward for the identification of the source of the DNA found in JonBenét's panties.
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But I know that isn't enough.

I have this web site dedicated to publishing the truth for researchers and seekers.  Never know what piece of the puzzle will make that one person step forward with information to solve this.

The money will be collected to help find the killer and to pay a reward to the person who ends the mystery.

One thing needed is money to pay for DNA tests to be done for PIs on their favorite suspects.  A single test costs close to a thousand dollars.  If the fund grows as I hope, I want to help those investigators pay for tests on the most reasonable suspects. 

But I expect the bulk will go to pay for investigator expenses - with whatever is left going toward a reward.

So if you want to show support, contribute what you can.  It may make a difference.

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  Patsy gave two stories on note and empty bed
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-26-2017, 03:38 PM - Forum: Disproving Myths - No Replies

The myth is that Patsy told conflicting to the officers - the first that she went in to wake JonBenet and found the empty bed, then the note.  The other that she found the note then ran up the stairs and found the empty bed.

According to BPD report #5-3834, from a formal interview that took place on 1/10/1997, "Officer French doesn't know whether Patsy said that she went in to get her daughter ready or whether she came downstairs first."

That interview took place after the shock of the events of 12/26/1996 had passed.  But not so long he would have forgotten everything.  I give credit to French for openly admitting he was confused, for not lying and risking telling a lie.

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Posted by: Johnny Kerns - 03-26-2017, 03:31 PM - Forum: The Coldest Case: Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey - Replies (1)

Greetings my fellow armchair detectives,

I have enjoyed reading along as you continue cracking away at mysteries leading to who killed JonBenet.
I want to reward the loyal readers that have followed me on my own journey to solve this case.

If you purchased a copy of "The Coldest Case" between the date of initial release and now, I would like to extend a very cool offer for WebbSleuths members only:

If you send me your old copy of the First Edition via US Mail, I will send you back an autographed copy of the Second Edition (coming out tomorrow!) at no cost! The Second Edition contains a trove of new information, new insights about DNA evidence and new photos! Please email me directly for the address to send your old copy at: Johnnytojohn@gmail.com or message me here on the forum!

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Again, this offer is limited to WebbSleuths members only and is my personal way of saying 'Thank you' for your comments, edits, concerns, praise & contributions.

As an author and investigator, my work continues. If you would like to continue on the journey with me, please like and share the Facebook page of my next book: "Inherit the Whole Earth: Who Killed Kirk Kimberly?"!

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  Clothes not collected
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-26-2017, 02:37 PM - Forum: Disproving Myths - No Replies

I will admit that until the Woodward book was released, I thought it was close to a year after the murder that the BPD asked the Ramseys for the clothing they had worn the night of the murder.

But in her book, Woodward cites a police report - BPD Report 1-1430 - that says John and patsy gave some clothing to the police on January 28th, 1997 - just a month after the murder.  Those items are described as two black shirts from john and black pants and a red and black checked sweater from Patsy.

Seems they had been asked to release clothing they were photographed in - John couldn't remember which shirt he had worn so sent two he thought possible.  Patsy sent the pants and sweater but not a red top (probably the red sweater she wore under that checkered jacket.

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  southern common sense
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-26-2017, 01:51 PM - Forum: Disproving Myths - No Replies

The BORG myth is that Patsy used to tease John about using his "southern common sense" when everyone knew he was born in Nebraska and raised largely in Michigan.

The fact is that didn't happen.  Both John and Patsy have told me they did not do that and the Ramsey friend Susan Stine said she never heard such a statement made.  That simply wasn't in any conversation, common sense was just common sense.

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