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  David Liebman
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-01-2017, 03:36 PM - Forum: Handwriting - Replies (5)

David Liebman, M.A., C.D.E.

Certified Document Examiner/President of NADE

981 South Quail Street o Norfolk, VA o 23513 p (804) 853-4722 622-9606

CURRICULUM VITAE

EDUCATION Master of Science, 1980, Old Dominion University Major Specialty: Biology Education

Minor: Psychology

Bachelor of Science, 1969, Old Dominion University Major Specialty: Earth Science Education


Minor: Psychology

0Additional study toward a Doctorate in Psychology and Biology.

EMPLOYMENT 9Instructor at Old Dominion University.

adjunct Professor at Tidewater Community College.

*Owned a scientific supply company for eleven years.

HANDWRITING T@NING BACKGROTJND:

CERTIFICATION a National Association of Document Examiners.

ADDITIONAL a Forensic document photography at Eastman Kodak Company,

TRAINING Rochester, New York, 1987.

a Statistics and the use of optical, chemical, laboratory, and scientific measuring equipment.

a University science courses requiring technical and specialized knowledge in the use of various types of laboratory equipment and writing lab reports.

ADVANCED t National Association of Document Examiners

TRAINING 1994-1989 Washington D.C.: 1991 Los Angeles, California, 1992 Atlanta, Georgia; 1994 Concord, Massachusetts; 1995 San Antonio, Texas; 1996 Baltimore, Maryland- 1997 Las Vegas, Nevada.

RESEARCH Old Dominion University: Handwriting disturbances.

AND Forensic photography techniques,

DEVELOPMENT Advanced techniques of document examination.

FACILITIES Including a library of over 500 books and articles on hand. writing and forensic document examination; laboratory; and. photo lab.

PROFESSIONAL National Association

ASSOCIATIONS of Document Examiners

Positions held: ]Education Chairman

Election Committee Chairman

Board of Directors

Second Vice President

Currently: President since October 1994

F-Eastman Kodak

Position held: Chairperson for Spring Seminar on @cd and

Ultra-Violet Forensic Document Photography.

LECTURES National Association of Document Examiners.

Photographic techniques and the Document Examiner.

Tidewater Law Board.

Old Dominion University Law Enforcement, Business and

Finance Security Control Departments and Handwriting

used in the business sector.

9 Chamber of Commerce.

& Retail Merchants Association.

o Tidewater Personnel.

& C&P Telephone Company.

COLLEGE 9 Completion of a College Level Course in Questioned Document-

COURSE ments. Northern V' ' 'a College, Annadale, VA. Instructed by

Larry Zieglar, current Questioned Document Examiner for the

FBI. 1995

COURT * Depositions, Hearings and Arbitrations.

EXPERIENCE o, Court qualified as an expert witness in the following courts:

Juvenile and Domestic Relations Court.

General District Court - Civil Division

General District Court - Traffic Division

Circuit Court

U.S. District Courts



PUBLISHED a National Association of Document Examines Journal:

WORKS Articles concerning forensic document photography.

LABORATORY Magnification devices, Microscopes...

EQUIPMENT o Forensic photography equipment.

Infrared and Ultraviolet (longwave and shortwave lamp)

* Calipers and measuring devices.

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  Cina Wong
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-01-2017, 03:35 PM - Forum: Handwriting - Replies (10)

Cina L. Wong, B.C.D.E.

Court Qualified Board Certified Document Examiner
1131 Granby St. Norfolk VA 23510 U.S.A (757) 622-9606 fax,622-9585
E-mail: NOFORGERY@aol.com

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Qualifying experience in scientific examination and identification of signatures, handwriting, handprinting, typewriting, page substitutions, seals, water-marks, erased, obliterated and altered writing in documents, numerical/diacritic marks, inks, forgeries, specialization in photocopy paste-up forgeries, specific computer dot matrix/laser printers, anonymous letters, and disguised handwriting.
Training includes(definitely not limited to), College accredited course with Larry Zieglar, a former FBI Document Examiner and a specialized course with John W. Hargett, Chief Document Examiner with the Secret Service.
 
Curriculum Vitae and General Resume
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College of San Mateo
San Mateo, California                                                                1984
Awarded Associate of Arts Degree.
COURT EXPERIENCE:
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PROFESSIONAL AFFILIATIONS:
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Delaware                                                                                  1991 -current
Offices held: Professionalism Chairman(1995-1997)
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                    Vice President (1998 - present)
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Tukwila, WA                                                                             1998-current
"An organization founded in 1929, with a purpose to secure the cooperation of those interested in the location, apprehension, and conviction of persons defrauding the public." (NWFIA)
BOARD CERTIFICATION:
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San Francisco, California                                                         1990
Completed a six month program in handwriting Sciences with Questioned Document Examiner Ted Widmer.
International School of Handwriting Sciences
San Francisco, California                                                         1991
Completion of an advanced course in Questioned Document Examination. Involved methods of forgery detection, case studies, hands on equipment operation/technique and court qualification procedures.
Signature Identification
San Francisco, California                                                          1991
A study of:. various techniques used to verify signatures, recognizing different forms of forged signatures, use of equipment to aid in handwriting I.D.
Effects of Health on Handwriting
Sunnyvale, California                                                                 1991
Taught by Patricia Wellingham-Jones (an expert in identifying health related conditions and medications affecting handwriting).
David Liebman, MA, BCDE (President of N.A.D.E.)          1992-1995
Advanced training. Mentorship program offered by N.A.D.E. (National Association of Document Examiners). Study of new techniques and procedures in the document field, court appearances, preparation of court exhibits, use of forensic examination and magnification equipment, typewriter identification, dichroic inks, copy machine forgeries, forensic and document photography.
COMPLETION OF COLLEGE LEVEL COURSE IN QUESTIONED DOCUMENTS:
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Annadale, Virginia                                                                     1995
Instructed by Larry Ziegler, at the time, current Questioned Document Examiner for the FBI.
CONTINUING EDUCATION:
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A 20 lesson course which entail subjects, such as: The mechanics of Handwriting, Proper Procedures for Obtaining Exemplars, Identification of Hand Printing, Disguised Writing, Forgeries, Photo Copy Examination, Typewriter Identification, Anonymous Letters, Document Photography, Examination of Ink and Paper, Writing Instruments, Erased and Obliterated Writing, Use of ESDA...
RELATED EDUCATION:
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Virginia Beach, Virginia
In-depth state accredited sixty hour course taught by Vince Tortomasi (past Norfolk, VA Police Officer).
SPECIALIZED COURSE:
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Bend, Oregon                                                                             1998
Handwriting analysis course instructed by John W. Hargett, the Chief Document Examiner for the U.S. Secret Service. He has been a Handwriting Expert with 31 years experience. Mr. Hargett has also headed the Secret Service International Forensic Training program and has lectured at the U.S, Secret Service Questioned Document Course since 1989.
RESIDENT TRAINING SEMINARS ATTENDED:
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Los Angeles, California
Workshop participation in: Ink identification by well-known ink chemist Izzy Lieberman, Document photography, Guidelines for taking exemplars, Preparation of courtroom exhibits, Mock court, Forgeries.
NADE Conference 1992
Atlanta, Georgia
Workshop participation in: Typewriter identification, contracts, Paper/Watermark identification, Case studies, Document photography, Depositions and Court qualification, Photocopy identification, Computer generated documents and alterations, Forgery and Facsimile machines.
Quote:NADIE Conference 1994
Concord, Massachusetts
Workshop participation in: Information on the current Federal Rules on expert testimony, Case studies, Introduction to new document examination equipment, Variations of courtroom exhibits, Forensic document photography with new advances, Counterfeit money, Handwriting of anonymous letters.
NADE Conference 1995
San Antonio, Texas
Workshop participation in: Cross examination, Personal check security, Disguised writing to defraud. Examination of writing under liquid paper correction fluid, Professionalism and research resources, handling of valuable documents.
NADE Conference 1996
Baltimore, Maryland
Workshop participation in: New research and advanced techniques in Pattern Recognition, Exhibit Preparation, Unusual Variations misidentified as significant Differences.
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Bend, Oregon
Forensic Document Examination sessions with Chief Document Examiner of the U.S, Secret Service, John W. Hargett, Equifax Credit Information Service on how to detect fraud via credit reports with Bonnie Meeks, and Howard Pollett of the Internal Revenue Service on fraud concerning Trusts and Pure Trusts.
LECTURES:
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Atlanta, Georgia
NADE Conference 1995
San Antonio, Texas
PRINT MEDIA:
Quote:Subject or mentioned in articles of: USA Today, Virginian-Pilot, Boulder Camera, Boulder Daily, The Progress Index, The New York Post...
RADIO APPEARANCES:
Quote:Peter Boyles in Boulder, Colorado, and Victoria Jones in New York, New York.
BROADCAST MEDIA:
Quote:Appeared or mentioned on: WTKR's Morning Show, WTKR News, Geraldo, Court TV, Extra, Hard Copy, Fox Network News, Good Morning America, CNN and recently taped for a CBS exclusive for Dan Rather's Evening News and 48 Hours.

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  12/4/97 - Koby affidavit - Hunter never asked to file charges
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-01-2017, 03:33 PM - Forum: Darnay Hoffman - No Replies

DISTRICT COURT, BOULDER COUNTY, COLORADO
Civil Action No. 97CV1732
AFFIDAVIT OF CHIEF TOM KOBY
DARNAY HOFFMAN, Plaintiff,
VS.
ALEXANDER HUNTER, Defendant,

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In my capacity, as Chief of Police, I have been personally involved with the investigation into the murder of JonBenet Ramsey, I am aware of the status of the investigation, I am aware of the evidence and information that has been collected in the investigation, and I am responsible for the decision of whether or not the investigation should be referred to the District Attorney for the filing of charges. The investigation into the murder of JonBenet Ramsey has not been referred to the District Attorney's Office for the filing of charges. At no time, in the past, has this investigation been referred to the District Attorney's Office for the filing of charges against anyone, nor has an arrest warrant been prepared. As a result, Alex Hunter, the District Attorney, has never refused to prosecute any person for this crime. In addition, he has never made any representation to me or anyone in my department, in any way, of what his decision might be if the investigation were to be submitted to his office for the filing of charges. Such a decision cannot be made until the investigation is completed, and this investigation has not progressed to the point where such a referral can be considered. The Boulder Police Department is still in the process of collecting, and testing evidence in this investigation.
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  4/11/98 editorial - 5 myths
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-01-2017, 03:30 PM - Forum: Darnay Hoffman - No Replies

Five myths about the JonBenét Ramsey case

By Darnay Hoffman

Now that the Boulder Police Department has requested that the district attorney convene a grand jury in the JonBenét Ramsey investigation, it is time to dispel some the "myths" and conventional wisdom that have been passing for serious analysis of this case.
Myth #1: The police have hopelessly bungled the evidence in the case, making a solution to JonBenét's murder nearly impossible.
Wrong. Domestic homicides are almost never solved with forensic evidence. The reason is quite simple. The suspects usually live at the scene of the crime and any forensic evidence discovered there invariably has an "innocent" explanation. The public is woefully misinformed with respect to the true value of forensic evidence in identifying suspects in a crime. A recent study in the Journal of Forensic Sciences noted that "crime scene evidence ... has no intrinsic ability to identify an offender who is otherwise unknown." Most crime scenes, moreover, are never as pristine or well-kept as they should be, yet convictions result every day.
Myth #2: There is not enough "hard" evidence to identify the real culprit(s), thereby making it impossible to arrest and charge anyone for the murder of JonBenét.
Wrong again. The ransom note is the only forensic evidence of the true identity of the culprit(s) sufficient to lead to an arrest and conviction in this case. Examining mud prints, knots, masking tape, and nylon cords is just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Either the police can identify the ransom note writer or they can't. If they can't, then everyone can go home now. This case can't be solved in a way that can realistically lead to a conviction "beyond reasonable doubt." Most domestic homicides never have a ransom note or nearly as much evidence as the police now possess. The police know who the ransom note writer is, and they can prove it.
Myth #3: The police have asked the district attorney to convene a grand jury because there isn't enough evidence.
Complete nonsense. The source of almost all the friction and ill-will between the police and Alex Hunter is the growing suspicion that the district attorney is not eager to file a case against the politically powerful Haddon and his client John Ramsey. Anyone who doubts this has only to read Fleet White's letter calling for the removal of Alex Hunter. It is clear from White's letter that he believes, based on his personal experiences dealing with both the police and the district attorney, that it is Alex Hunter, and not Tom Koby, who doesn't want a solution to this crime. The reason the police have requested a grand jury is to force Alex Hunter to present the evidence they have gathered before a panel of Boulder citizens who will have no hesitation whatsoever in returning an indictment. Anyone sophisticated enough to know the law will realize that the Ramseys can't be compelled to give testimony and that the evidence of 11 year-old Burke is almost useless. The only practical purpose in convening a grand jury is to remove the decision to charge someone for the murder of JonBenét from the district attorney and put it in the hands of less politically sensitive people.
Myth #4: Identifying the ransom note writer still doesn't mean the district attorney can get a murder conviction.
This is not only wrong, it is the closest thing to a "Big Lie" being perpetrated by the district attorney's office. This "Whopper" goes something like this: Even if we know the ransom note writer, how can a jury convict them of a murder without more evidence of their physically participating in the actual killing of JonBenét? Simple. Colorado's felony murder statute makes anyone participating in such dangerous crimes as kidnapping equally responsible for any murder resulting from such activity. Much like the get-away-driver to a bank robbery where a guard is killed (who is later found guilty of murder despite not even being in the bank during the robbery and murder) the JonBenét ransom note writer can be charged with first-degree murder even if the police can't prove the writer actually killed JonBenét. Yet Alex Hunter persists in naively stating that even if the ransom note writer were identified and arrested and jailed, they would be immediately eligible for bail. This is also not true because felony murder is not a bailable offense in Colorado. The ransom note writer would have to sit in jail until they went to trial or made a deal to reveal JonBenét's murderer to the district attorney.
Myth #5: This case will never be solved.
It already has been. The police know the killer and they can prove it. Until Alex Hunter is removed from the case as Fleet White demanded in his letter to Gov. Romer, there will never be justice for JonBenét Ramsey, or peace for Boulder, Colorado.

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  12/3/97 - letter to Governor Romer
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-01-2017, 03:28 PM - Forum: Darnay Hoffman - No Replies

DARNAY HOFFMAN

ATTORNEY AT LAW

210 WEST 70TH STREET, SUITE 209

NEW YORK, NY 10023

TELEPHONE (212) 496-2936

FAX (212) 496-8676

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December 3, 1997
Hon. Roy R. Romer, Governor
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Dear Governor Romer:
You may need to order an investigation into the Colorado Bureau of Investigation's handling of the handwriting evidence in the murder of JonBenét Ramsey.
Sometime last March, Boulder police submitted a search warrant affidavit to a Michigan judge seeking permission to search the vacation home of John and Patsy Ramsey for handwriting exemplars. According to Boulder police, a preliminary report by C.B.I. had determined that Patsy Ramsey was "probably" the ransom note writer, hence the need for more unrehearsed samples of her handwriting.
Three months later, CBI issued a report to the Boulder police that reportedly concluded that their analysis "does not exclude" the handwriting of Patsy Ramsey as the ransom note writer. As Ramsey attorney Patrick Furman was quoted to say in the Rocky Mountain News: "the finding of ‘does not exclude’ is one step away from clearing her of authorship." Defense attorney Hal Haddon remarked that the CBI level of assessment of Patsy Ramsey's handwriting "has no evidentiary value, because a lot of people write similarly."
The question for you, Governor, is how C.B.I. could issue a final report which was so dramatically different from their earlier preliminary report. Patsy Ramsey went from "probably" being the ransom note writer in March to "she didn't write it" in June. What's going on here?
This development is especially disturbing in light of the fact that of all the handwriting experts I have consulted -- and there have been over a dozen -- not one of them could believe that any reputable handwriting or document examiner could reach any other conclusion than that Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note. It wasn't even a close call.
Three of the questioned document examiners I consulted have prepared lengthy handwriting reports which clearly show Patsy Ramsey as the ransom note writer. I have enclosed them for your convenience. They were prepared by Thomas C. Miller, a Denver attorney and certified court handwriting expert, David S. Liebman, the president of the National Association of Document Examiners, and Cina L. Wong, the youngest board certified document examiner in NADE history, and considered by many to be the Henry Lee of handwriting examiners.
If after reading these reports you have as many unanswered questions as I have about the disparity between CBI’s conclusions and those of the enclosed experts, you might decide on an investigation. Before the Oklahoma Bombing, no one knew the terrible trouble the FBI crime lab was in. The O.J. Simpson case exposed the L.A. crime lab for the mess it had become. Perhaps the JonBenét Ramsey case will bring some needed light into the dark corners of the CBI forensic handwriting division. According to published reports, Ramsey defense attorneys hired the former teacher and mentor of CBI's handwriting division as an expert "consultant." You can start your investigation right there and keep on going. Who knows what you might find.
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  timeline of window
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-01-2017, 01:03 PM - Forum: Broken window/ Spider web - No Replies

Will be edited as I find information with times.

PW book - BPD Report #5-2473 - - "some time before 1000 hours John Ramsey went down I the basement to the train room and he found the train room window open so he closed it."     According to John, he had been searching the house, the walk-in refrigerator, under beds, anywhere he might think she could have hidden and he went to the basement.  When he saw the open window with the suitcase under it, he thought that is not right and HE says he went upstairs and told the detective he had broken the window months before but the window being open, the suitcase being under it and the scrape mark on the wall was not right.

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  Details from Paula Woodward's book
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-01-2017, 12:03 PM - Forum: Christmas Day, 1996 - Replies (2)

"The kids ran into he bedroom at 6:30 that morning," John remembered.  "They were thrilled.  I made them wait in our room until I went down and turned on the Christmas tree lights.  I brought in Patsy's bike from the garage. Burke and JonBenét's new bikes were already in front of the tree."

(So much for the theory that Burke killed his sister because she got a bike and  he did not.)

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  Ramseys barely spoke to each other on Dec. 26th
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-28-2017, 10:20 AM - Forum: Disproving Myths - No Replies

Ann Bardach, in her early Vanity Fair article, wrote the Officer French said the Ramseys "had barely spoken to or looked at each other", that "he did not see them console each other. 

But in French's police report BPD #5-3844, from the transcript of a formal interview done in January, 1997, we find "John Ramsey does do some touching of Patsy at the scene."

And, in Paula Woodward's book we also have the victims' advocate on record.  "Patsy and John had been in the formal dining room together for some time holding each other or talking." "I didn't know they were in there alone together."  BPD #5-2630

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  quotes found in police reports
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-28-2017, 10:12 AM - Forum: December 26th - Replies (4)

Unfortunately, Paula Woodward did not name the authors of these quotes, but she did cite the police reports that included them.    Maybe one day she will put names to the quotes.  But here, from her book...

BPD #5-433 - "Patsy was literally in shock.  Vomiting, hyperventilating."

BPD #1-640 - "Patsy cries all the time."

BPD #5-230 - "During the initial ransom demand time Patsy was hysterical, just absolutely hysterical."

BPD #5-404 - "She is hyperventilating, She is hallucinating.  She is screaming.  She wa hysterical. John was pacing around.  (Close family friends) were trying to keep Patsy from fainting. She was vomiting a little."

BPD #5-437 - "I thought Patsy was going to have a heart attack and die.  I thought she was going to kill herself."

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  Peering through splayed fingers
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-28-2017, 09:57 AM - Forum: Disproving Myths - No Replies

Despite Vanity Fair's story that indicated the Officer French thought there was something strange about how the Ramseys were acting that morning, and the story has Patsy "peering at him through splayed fingers", police reports actually say nothing of the sort.

In her book, Paula Woodward quotes a BPD report - #5-3851)  "Officer French thinks the Ramseys are acting appropriately at the scene."   

Paula writes, "nowhere in the initial Boulder Police Department reports or excerpts of officer interviews obtained since 1997 does Officer French refer to Patsy as "peering at" or "watching' him on the morning of December 26, 1996."

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