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  from _PEOPLE
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-18-2017, 05:14 PM - Forum: John Ramsey - biography - No Replies

7 . "More from People online"
Posted by SpiritRain on Jan-23-00 at 07:51 AM (EST)

Quote:http://www.pathfinder.com/people/sp/rams...006_3.html
October 6, 1997
1 | 2 | 3 | 4
In '80, Patsy (left) congratulated sis Pam on becoming a fellow Miss West Virginia
With broad strokes and a brilliant palette, Patsy's allies paint her as kinetic and magnetic, but for all his own achievements, her husband seems scarcely to cast a shadow. Most who know John Ramsey contend he's a modest and taciturn sort who tends to his business and spends leisure hours flying radio-controlled airplanes with Burke or sailing his 34-foot sloop, Miss America. Before his move to Boulder, he drove around Atlanta in a 15-year-old Chevy pickup. Says his brother Jeff: "He's not boastful." (Patsy, it seems, is more forthright. In her 1996 annual Christmas letter, she reported that Access Graphics had reached "its one-billion $$ mark in sales.") Says longtime friend and colleague Jim Marino: "I never saw him get mad. I never heard him cuss. I never saw him raise a hand to anybody."
Born in Omaha to James Ramsey, a decorated World War II pilot, and his homemaker wife, Mary Jane, John Bennett Ramsey was 13 when the family moved to Okemos, Mich., a rural suburb of Lansing, where his father served as director of Michigan's Aeronautics Commission. "We were a real Leave It to Beaver kind of family," says Jeff. At Okemos High School, John ran cross-country. It was a classic '50s milieu: bowling, movies and school dances. "John was very friendly," says retired Navy Capt. John Shick, a high school running teammate and later Ramsey's fraternity brother at Michigan State University. "I remember him as a person who didn't get excited." A quote under Ramsey's yearbook photo ("Some say he's quiet -- others doubt it") hints that even then, people didn't quite know what to make of his reserve.
Enrolling at Michigan State in 1961, Ramsey joined Theta Chi fraternity and met Lucinda Lou Pasch, an elementary education major. "She was a short, pretty brunette," says Shick, "and quiet." On July 16, 1966, after Ramsey graduated with a degree in electrical engineering, the couple married, then settled in East Lansing. Ramsey spent a couple of years in the Navy's engineering corps, some of it at Subic Bay in the Philippines, then earned a master's degree from Michigan State and settled in Atlanta.
The couple had three children -- Elizabeth, Melinda and John Andrew -- but their union foundered, and they divorced in 1978. The next year John started a small computer company. JimMarino worked for him, and in the evenings the two single men "played around," as Marino puts it. "We would go to bars and meet women," he says, adding that after Ramsey was engaged to Patsy, "I never saw him mess around."
About the time the Ramseys wed, John started Microsouth, a software distributor, which he ran from the basement of their suburban Atlanta home. (Patsy answered the phone.) He soon launched a second company, which marketed computer accessories, including printers, but the venture faltered. "Patsy had her father come down and basically save the company," Marino says of Don Paugh. The two companies ultimately merged into Access Graphics, where Paugh is now vice president of operations. As business took off in the 1980s, Patsy immersed herself in volunteer work for the local garden club, a tree festival and a children's hospital, among other charities -- and in perfecting their home. Ex-neighbor and longtime friend Vesta Taylor, 75, recalls that in the span of a week Patsy had her living room painted five times, in five varying shades. "She'd call me over at different times of the day, when the sun was coming in in a particular way," Taylor says, "and say, `Vesta, what do you think?' "
Thriving, the couple started a family. Son Burke was born in 1987, followed in 1990 by JonBenét. The next year John relocated his business to Boulder and moved the family to a 15-room faux Tudor home near the University of Colorado. Here, too, Patsy indulged her inner Bob Vila. "Friends said you got lost [in the house] because of the way she added on," says Taylor. "They said John couldn't find the bedroom. It was in the attic."
In Boulder the Ramsey fairy tale would begin to unravel. On Jan. 8, 1992, John's older daughter, Elizabeth, died from injuries suffered in an auto accident near Chicago. She was riding with her boyfriend Matthew Derrington, who was also killed, when his BMW collided with a van. "She was sweet and gentle, just like her daddy," says Shirley Brady, Burke's ex-nanny. Devastated, John Ramsey "became more introverted" after she died, according to Marino. "Work became his pacifier, his distractor."
In 1992, John's father died...

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Posted by: jameson245 - 10-18-2017, 05:14 PM - Forum: John Ramsey - biography - No Replies

7 . "More from People online"
Posted by SpiritRain on Jan-23-00 at 07:51 AM (EST)

Quote:http://www.pathfinder.com/people/sp/rams...006_3.html
October 6, 1997
1 | 2 | 3 | 4
In '80, Patsy (left) congratulated sis Pam on becoming a fellow Miss West Virginia
With broad strokes and a brilliant palette, Patsy's allies paint her as kinetic and magnetic, but for all his own achievements, her husband seems scarcely to cast a shadow. Most who know John Ramsey contend he's a modest and taciturn sort who tends to his business and spends leisure hours flying radio-controlled airplanes with Burke or sailing his 34-foot sloop, Miss America. Before his move to Boulder, he drove around Atlanta in a 15-year-old Chevy pickup. Says his brother Jeff: "He's not boastful." (Patsy, it seems, is more forthright. In her 1996 annual Christmas letter, she reported that Access Graphics had reached "its one-billion $$ mark in sales.") Says longtime friend and colleague Jim Marino: "I never saw him get mad. I never heard him cuss. I never saw him raise a hand to anybody."
Born in Omaha to James Ramsey, a decorated World War II pilot, and his homemaker wife, Mary Jane, John Bennett Ramsey was 13 when the family moved to Okemos, Mich., a rural suburb of Lansing, where his father served as director of Michigan's Aeronautics Commission. "We were a real Leave It to Beaver kind of family," says Jeff. At Okemos High School, John ran cross-country. It was a classic '50s milieu: bowling, movies and school dances. "John was very friendly," says retired Navy Capt. John Shick, a high school running teammate and later Ramsey's fraternity brother at Michigan State University. "I remember him as a person who didn't get excited." A quote under Ramsey's yearbook photo ("Some say he's quiet -- others doubt it") hints that even then, people didn't quite know what to make of his reserve.
Enrolling at Michigan State in 1961, Ramsey joined Theta Chi fraternity and met Lucinda Lou Pasch, an elementary education major. "She was a short, pretty brunette," says Shick, "and quiet." On July 16, 1966, after Ramsey graduated with a degree in electrical engineering, the couple married, then settled in East Lansing. Ramsey spent a couple of years in the Navy's engineering corps, some of it at Subic Bay in the Philippines, then earned a master's degree from Michigan State and settled in Atlanta.
The couple had three children -- Elizabeth, Melinda and John Andrew -- but their union foundered, and they divorced in 1978. The next year John started a small computer company. JimMarino worked for him, and in the evenings the two single men "played around," as Marino puts it. "We would go to bars and meet women," he says, adding that after Ramsey was engaged to Patsy, "I never saw him mess around."
About the time the Ramseys wed, John started Microsouth, a software distributor, which he ran from the basement of their suburban Atlanta home. (Patsy answered the phone.) He soon launched a second company, which marketed computer accessories, including printers, but the venture faltered. "Patsy had her father come down and basically save the company," Marino says of Don Paugh. The two companies ultimately merged into Access Graphics, where Paugh is now vice president of operations. As business took off in the 1980s, Patsy immersed herself in volunteer work for the local garden club, a tree festival and a children's hospital, among other charities -- and in perfecting their home. Ex-neighbor and longtime friend Vesta Taylor, 75, recalls that in the span of a week Patsy had her living room painted five times, in five varying shades. "She'd call me over at different times of the day, when the sun was coming in in a particular way," Taylor says, "and say, `Vesta, what do you think?' "
Thriving, the couple started a family. Son Burke was born in 1987, followed in 1990 by JonBenét. The next year John relocated his business to Boulder and moved the family to a 15-room faux Tudor home near the University of Colorado. Here, too, Patsy indulged her inner Bob Vila. "Friends said you got lost [in the house] because of the way she added on," says Taylor. "They said John couldn't find the bedroom. It was in the attic."
In Boulder the Ramsey fairy tale would begin to unravel. On Jan. 8, 1992, John's older daughter, Elizabeth, died from injuries suffered in an auto accident near Chicago. She was riding with her boyfriend Matthew Derrington, who was also killed, when his BMW collided with a van. "She was sweet and gentle, just like her daddy," says Shirley Brady, Burke's ex-nanny. Devastated, John Ramsey "became more introverted" after she died, according to Marino. "Work became his pacifier, his distractor."
In 1992, John's father died...

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  other bio info and old discussion from old Webbsleuths forum
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-18-2017, 05:10 PM - Forum: John Ramsey - biography - No Replies

"John's Bio"
Posted by SpiritRain on Jan-22-00 at 06:15 AM (EST)

Quote: This is from:
http://www.insidedenver.com/extra/ramsey/0105queen.htm
John Ramsey was born in Nebraska two years after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. His father, James Dudley Ramsey, was a highly decorated transport pilot in World War II who eventually became director of the Michigan Aeronautics Commission.
He instilled a lifelong love of flying in his eldest son, a quiet, steady youth whose controlled exterior belied his willingness to take risks and an uncanny ability to see beyond the obvious.
In 1957 -- the year Patsy Paugh was born -- 14-year-old John Ramsey moved to Okemos, a tiny town near Lansing, Mich., where he ran cross country, played in the band and chaired the Christmas dance his senior year.
The caption beneath Ramsey's photo in his high school yearbook reads: "Some say he's quiet -- others doubt it.''
"Everything he did demonstrated character,'' said Nancy Turner Lawton, a former classmate who dated Ramsey for several years. "He was just an upright person who had a desire to do things right.
"He had a savings account. He had a plan for his life. I can't tell you how responsible he was at 18.''
John Ramsey followed the same straight and narrow path at Michigan State University in Lansing, where he became president of his fraternity, joined ROTC and met his future wife, Lucinda Lou Pasch.
He became a military pilot, like his father, spending two years in the Phillipines; he earned a master's degree in marketing in 1971, and soon after, accepted a sales job in Atlanta with a California-based electronics engineering company.
But when the company urged him to come West, he refused. It wasn't the obvious decision, one he later credited with making his career.
"That was the turning point for me, back in 1976,'' Ramsey told Computer Reseller News.
It also marked a personal turning point. He and Cindy, now the parents of three children, Elizabeth, Melinda and John, divorced. On Nov. 15, 1980, he married 23-year-old Patricia Ann Paugh at the Peachtree Presbyterian Church in Atlanta.
By that time, Ramsey had formed his own company, Advanced Products Group, selling computer terminals, printers and other items from an office in his basement of his home. Despite the company's high tech mission, neighbor Joe Saportas recalled that Ramsey drove a battered pickup and enjoyed doing construction projects around the house.
Ramsey saw his future in presentation graphics. In 1988, he merged his company with two others to form Access Graphics, based in Boulder. For more than a year, he commuted from Atlanta for his job as vice president of sales. In 1991, Lockheed Martin acquired Access, and Ramsey became Access president.
In five years, he shepherded the company from a $150 million in sales to more than $1 billion, tripling its work force to 560 employees worldwide.
"I would describe him as a visionary leader,'' said Access spokeswoman Laurie Wagner. "He's very good at looking ahead toward where we need to be.''
With his promotion came the family move to Boulder, and a $750,000 brick Tudor in a quiet, upscale neighborhood on 15th Street.
***********************************************************************
What started me on this was after reading the JonBenet article on Mousey's Susan Smith thread, (http://va.crimelibrary.com/ramsey/ramseymain.htm)I learned that John had been voted businessman of the year. At the time of the murder, "John had just been voted local "businessman of the year.""

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  other bio info and old discussion from old Webbsleuths forum
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-18-2017, 05:10 PM - Forum: John Ramsey - biography - No Replies

"John's Bio"
Posted by SpiritRain on Jan-22-00 at 06:15 AM (EST)

Quote: This is from:
http://www.insidedenver.com/extra/ramsey/0105queen.htm
John Ramsey was born in Nebraska two years after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor. His father, James Dudley Ramsey, was a highly decorated transport pilot in World War II who eventually became director of the Michigan Aeronautics Commission.
He instilled a lifelong love of flying in his eldest son, a quiet, steady youth whose controlled exterior belied his willingness to take risks and an uncanny ability to see beyond the obvious.
In 1957 -- the year Patsy Paugh was born -- 14-year-old John Ramsey moved to Okemos, a tiny town near Lansing, Mich., where he ran cross country, played in the band and chaired the Christmas dance his senior year.
The caption beneath Ramsey's photo in his high school yearbook reads: "Some say he's quiet -- others doubt it.''
"Everything he did demonstrated character,'' said Nancy Turner Lawton, a former classmate who dated Ramsey for several years. "He was just an upright person who had a desire to do things right.
"He had a savings account. He had a plan for his life. I can't tell you how responsible he was at 18.''
John Ramsey followed the same straight and narrow path at Michigan State University in Lansing, where he became president of his fraternity, joined ROTC and met his future wife, Lucinda Lou Pasch.
He became a military pilot, like his father, spending two years in the Phillipines; he earned a master's degree in marketing in 1971, and soon after, accepted a sales job in Atlanta with a California-based electronics engineering company.
But when the company urged him to come West, he refused. It wasn't the obvious decision, one he later credited with making his career.
"That was the turning point for me, back in 1976,'' Ramsey told Computer Reseller News.
It also marked a personal turning point. He and Cindy, now the parents of three children, Elizabeth, Melinda and John, divorced. On Nov. 15, 1980, he married 23-year-old Patricia Ann Paugh at the Peachtree Presbyterian Church in Atlanta.
By that time, Ramsey had formed his own company, Advanced Products Group, selling computer terminals, printers and other items from an office in his basement of his home. Despite the company's high tech mission, neighbor Joe Saportas recalled that Ramsey drove a battered pickup and enjoyed doing construction projects around the house.
Ramsey saw his future in presentation graphics. In 1988, he merged his company with two others to form Access Graphics, based in Boulder. For more than a year, he commuted from Atlanta for his job as vice president of sales. In 1991, Lockheed Martin acquired Access, and Ramsey became Access president.
In five years, he shepherded the company from a $150 million in sales to more than $1 billion, tripling its work force to 560 employees worldwide.
"I would describe him as a visionary leader,'' said Access spokeswoman Laurie Wagner. "He's very good at looking ahead toward where we need to be.''
With his promotion came the family move to Boulder, and a $750,000 brick Tudor in a quiet, upscale neighborhood on 15th Street.
***********************************************************************
What started me on this was after reading the JonBenet article on Mousey's Susan Smith thread, (http://va.crimelibrary.com/ramsey/ramseymain.htm)I learned that John had been voted businessman of the year. At the time of the murder, "John had just been voted local "businessman of the year.""

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  a quote
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-18-2017, 04:40 PM - Forum: The Cases That Haunt Us: From Jack the Ripper to JonBenét Ramsey - No Replies

JD: I would like to feel comfortable that the case would one day be resolved. However, as many of you know, there was a major contamination at the crime scene when local law enforcement allowed people to freely roam through the house. I will, however, take the position that has been a somewhat controversial position, and that is that I do not believe that the family, John or Patsy or the son, was involved in the death of JonBenét. It is difficult to comprehend that John and Patsy Ramsey -- on Christmas Day, a happy time of the year, planning to go to Michigan the following morning, with their car packed with gifts, out with friends for the evening -- would suddenly return home and kill their daughter, especially in the way that she was killed, i.e., blunt-force trauma to the head, which causes an eight-inch fracture in her skull, coupled with a ligature tightly bound around her neck, as well as sexual assault.


This is from a question and answer Douglas did online - I forget where.

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  Babysitter/ nannies
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 10-18-2017, 04:23 PM - Forum: Housekeepers, workers in the house - No Replies

There was a babysitter/nanny  who was let go after Burke reported being abused/hit by the Nanny.

Im not aware of her name or any information regarding her besides this. Anyone know of anything else to provide?

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  Lynn Wilcox
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-18-2017, 03:48 PM - Forum: Housekeepers, workers in the house - No Replies

Reportedly, a housekeeper at Ramsey house, she lost her job after being caught nosing around in some personal papers.  Detective Harmer interviewed her briefly.

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  New document received. Source trusted completely
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-18-2017, 02:41 PM - Forum: Fiber and Hair Evidence - Replies (3)

In JonBenet's right hand there were blue wool fibers that have, to the best of my knowledge, never been sourced.  

In her left hand there were blue-grey fibers (document doesn't say what the material was for those) and black cotton fibers as well as blue cotton fibers.  These fibers are also unidentified.

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  Dale Yeager
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-16-2017, 07:23 PM - Forum: Discredited and discounted witnesses in this case - Replies (2)

Doing business as "Seraph", this man wrote an "expert report" for the BPD that linked Patsy to the ransom note by saying the 118 in the ransom note was a very special number to Patsy.  That was never proven to be true - but it would seem the police figured nothing ventured, nothing gained so they hired Yeager and his team to write a report to (as Dale Yeager later said) "push buttons" in an interrogation.

I contacted Yeager and thought it might be interesting to share his response to me.


 I asked:

>You have reported that you think Patsy Ramsey felt she had to "sacrifice"<BR>
her daughter because she is a "delusional sociopath".  With no history of<BR>
neglect, abuse, or prior violence in the house, considering the dead child's<BR>
siblings say "NO WAY", I would like to ask how you came to this conclusion.<BR>
Have you met the woman?  Visited her prayer group?  These people are NOT a<BR>
cult, they are normal people.  Just would like to know how you figure Patsy<BR>
has to be "delusional" OR a "sociopath".  Did you mean just for the night?<BR>

>Hope you will respond, I am honestly interested in your answer.


He responded

I grew up in a conservative evangelical home in fact my father is a Wesleyan<BR>
[Methodist] minister. I have never stated publicly or privately that the<BR>
Charismatic movement is a cult. If you read the reports carefully you will<BR>
see that I believe that Patsy has been a sociopath for a long time and that<BR>
in her "confused" state after her breast cancer she began to take the<BR>
biblical information she was given - through her involvement with the<BR>
Charismatic movement and mix it with her own delusions of spirituality. She<BR>
is NOT mentally ill. Sociopaths make up a large proportion of the American<BR>
population. They are control freaks who see threats where none exists, they<BR>
assert their opinions aggressively with others and always need to be in<BR>
charge. Low level sociopaths hurt peoples feelings and control others lives<BR>
[codependency], high level sociopaths kill [OJ Simpson].<BR>
By the way physical abuse is not always present in the home of a sociopath.<BR>
Patsy exhibited aggressive and verbally violent episodes to her children and<BR>
husband.<BR>
Americans in general do not understand how prevalent sociopathic behavior<BR>
is. People with this ilk are dangerous and they come in all shapes and<BR>
sizes. They can be helped if there is early intervention in their lives. The<BR>
problem is that many of them come from families who encourage the behavior.<BR>
Thank you for writing. I hope that this has answered your questions.<BR>
Dale Yeager


I was not satisfied and asked again:

You didn't answer my questions.  Were you asked to report on the 118  only as it related to that bible verse and this crime and were you working with the base supposition that Patsy did this?<BR>
<BR>
I don't see any evidence that this woman killed  her child, none.  She had opportunity, nothing else is supported by facts.  Are you comfortable testifying against her with the information you have?<BR>
<BR>
By the way, I think based on your definition of a sociopath, most successful people, and a lot of losers, are sociopaths.  Almost a normal thing.<BR>
<BR>
Reading the ransom note, you really think she wrote that?  Can we talk about that a bit?  Do you think she wrote it before or after the crime?  And why not use her name, the name of John"s business but say things like She dies, she dies, behead,no Christian burial.  Not distancing, IMO.<BR>
<BR>
Would like to hear your thoughts.  Written after, would there be no tears on the note.<BR>
<BR>
And don't people who make religious sacrifices have to admit it?  I mean lying about it is defeating the purpose.  NO?<BR>
<BR>
Sorry if I sound confused.  I have ICQ and an IM calling.<BR>
<BR>
Hope to hear back from you and if you will visit a while I will shut down the other programs.<BR>
<BR>
jameson<BR>
<BR>


He answered me one more time:

Sorry I didn't answer your questions.<BR>
1. No I have never spoken to Patsy or her minister, I don't need to. The<BR>
point of profiling is the examination of actions and attitudes to create a<BR>
thought pattern of that individual. Speaking with her would be counter<BR>
productive to the profile. I need only the facts. I started out thinking it<BR>
was a serial killer so I didn't have any pre conceived ideas.<BR>
2. The evidence is complicated and I cannot go into it now because some of<BR>
it has not be made public and I am under agreement not to speak about it.<BR>
The note is absolutely her handwriting [FBI crime lab]. Your problem is that<BR>
you are viewing this case from a compassionate and logical perspective. You<BR>
cannot use logic or kindness when analyzing the behavior of sociopaths. Her<BR>
reasoning is not rational or logical. As far as lying about it, sociopaths<BR>
can separate themselves;eves from the side of them that did the crime. In<BR>
her delusional state she really believes that she didn't commit it.<BR>
Please read "The Gift Of Fear" it will explain this to you. And yes many<BR>
"leaders" and mother in laws are socipathic. :-)<BR>
Thank you for writing.<BR>
Dale Yeager<BR>

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  Cyril Wecht
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-16-2017, 05:17 PM - Forum: John Ramsey sues CBS - Replies (1)

Geraldo

       (Excerpts from 02/26/97)

Dr. CYRIL WECHT (Pathologist): Do I believe it was accidental in the sense that it was not an intent, initially, to kill this girl? Yes, very much so. And with regard to the sexual business, too--chronic, acute--the fact of the matter is there is no evidence of a brutal sexual assault on this girl. It was a careful situation so as not to leave any injuries.

Ms. JERALYN MERRITT (Criminal Defense Attorney): The pediatrician of this child m--met this child many, many times over the last couple of years. He says there was no prior sexual abuse, no evidence of it. And he also says that he would have known it if there was. And he saw this child on a regular basis, and I think we have to give some credence to that because, with all due respect to Dr. Wecht, he hasn't spoken to the pediatrician as far as I know and he hasn't met the child.

(End of excerpts)

RIVERA: The debate on location in Boulder, Colorado, between Dr. Cyril Wecht, on the one hand, the noted forensic pathologist, and two of the local criminal defense attorneys, Jeralyn Merritt and Larry Pozner.

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