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  Body wiped down?
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-26-2017, 10:07 AM - Forum: Fiber and Hair Evidence - No Replies

Some people say JonBenét may have been wiped down, I personally don't think she was at all.  I think that "wiping" was inadvertent contact with the killer's sleeve.

I don't see in the autopsy that there is any mention of her being wiped down and am trying to remember where that came from.  I see it in the Bonita papers but we all know better than to take that as a reliable source as those papers were the beginnings of a BORG book being written after the author listened to several people making BORG presentations.

The coroner COULD have said it was a possibility.  I don't think he ever stated that as fact.

So I guess that is really a subject yet to be pinned down.  What were those fibers and was she actually wiped down or could that have been inadvertent contact with the killer's sleeve?  (No blue cloth was found near the body.)

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  positive comments from me
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-24-2017, 12:47 PM - Forum: The Coldest Case: Who Killed JonBenet Ramsey - Replies (14)

I am reading the book and suggesting Johnny make some corrections.  I will leave those comments private for now but want you to see a few things in his book I found really made me glad the book is out there.  To begin with, he has some documents at the end of his book that all students of Ramsey should have.  I was glad to see them included.

Some of his personal thoughts just shined when i read them and I will share one here.



"....America got its first chance to leer at him as an adult, speculate about his reactions to his sister's murder and generally treat him with suspicion and scorn.  The message boards lit up claiming Burke did not seem sad enough, had a quizzical smile on his face and at times seemed not to take the subject seriously.  We have clearly learned nothing from our twenty years of misreading the peculiarities of grief.  The grief the Ramsey family has experienced is unquantifiable and yet a new generation of Americans cropped up to reveal the enormous lack of compassion and empathy we have for our fellow citizens."



I thought that was a great way to explain the surge of new BORG fueled hate that filled all Ramsey discussions after the anniversary programs that aired this fall.

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  Alie Berrellez
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-22-2017, 12:23 PM - Forum: Boulder crimes - No Replies

Not Boulder but close

Resolving 1993 murder of Englewood 5-year-old took an advances in forensic science



By Kevin Vaughan | The Denver Post
PUBLISHED: October 8, 2011 at 2:47 pm


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Detective Bobbie Garrett pulled down a three-ring binder, opened its vinyl cover and began reading the 275-page summary of one of Colorado’s most notorious cold cases.

It was January — nearly 18 years after a brown-eyed 5-year-old girl named Aleszandra “Alie” Berrelez vanished from the courtyard outside her Englewood apartment, sparking a four-day hunt that ended in the heartbreaking discovery of her body. Her killer had stuffed her into a canvas bag and tossed her down a hillside in Deer Creek Canyon.

As Garrett began the latest look at case No. 93-9789 — the kidnap and murder of little Alie Berrelez — the paper trail alone filled 37 three-inch binders and two file boxes at the Englewood Police Department. Garrett, an investigator in the crimes against persons unit for more than a decade who had worked the case off and on over the years, settled in to take a fresh look.
Alie’s disappearance and the subsequent discovery of her body had captivated people across the Denver area, in part because of the bloodhound, Yogi, who led officers from her apartment to Deer Creek Canyon, where her body was found.
What the public never knew was that later Yogi led investigators from Deer Creek Canyon back to the Golden Nugget Apartments, and that a second bloodhound, Becky, took them right to apartment 106A — and that both dogs identified both the prime suspect and two cars he had driven.
As Garrett sat down in January to look again at Alie’s disappearance and murder, she saw the extensive circumstantial case against the man who lived in that apartment — a drug user and drifter who died in 2001 after years of hard living.
The first step was to examine the case summary, which detailed the work of the original detectives in 1993 and 1994.
The story started, at the top of Page 1, at the beginning.
“On May 18, 1993, at approximately 7:02 p.m., the Englewood Department of Safety Services Police Division Dispatcher Vern Elder received a phone call from Marivel Berrelez . . . Marivel Berrelez stated that her 5 year old daughter was missing.”

Garrett read on.
Alie was in the courtyard of the Golden Nugget Apartments with her two brothers. . . . A neighbor watching the children slipped into her unit for a few minutes, and when she returned, Alie was gone. . . . Soon, other officers swarmed the horseshoe-shaped complex but found no signs of Alie. . . . Alie’s 3-year-old brother, Sam, told the officers she was with a man “and they went in a car.” . . . Three days after Alie vanished, a police bloodhound named Yogi sniffed a pair of the little girl’s underpants and began working around the apartment courtyard before heading to Broadway, then south to C-470, and ultimately to the mouth of Deer Creek Canyon. . . . Four days after Alie disappeared, searchers that picked up where Yogi left off saw a green canvas bag in a ravine. . . . An officer opened the bag and saw Alie’s lifeless body.
On Page 18, Garrett saw the first mention of a man who had come into investigators’ sights the same day Alie’s body was found. A man who lived in unit 106A but had boarded a train to California.
As Garrett read, she experienced what she would later describe as “red flag upon red flag.” She continued, jotting down occasional questions, thinking about what else she might do that hadn’t already been done. When she was finished, she’d reached the same conclusion as her predecessors: The man who lived in unit 106A was Alie’s killer.
Detectives had tried in 1994 to press charges against him after building a case that was strong but circumstantial. Prosecutors, however, decided there wasn’t enough, and no arrest was made — despite repeated efforts, in the ensuing years, to find the clue that would tip the balance irrevocably toward a suspect.
Now Garrett considered her options. What she decided would crack the case.
Unraveling the truth
Solving a cold case — any cold case — can be a matter of luck or advanced technology or shoe leather.
Luck, as in a furnace repairman’s 1995 discovery of a wad of women’s underwear secreted in a duct that led to an arrest in the 6-year-old unsolved murder of Susan Doll.
Advanced technology, as in the 2008 arrest in the rape and murder more than 30 years before of Holly Andrews — a case solved with a DNA match.
Shoe leather, as in the 1983 Boulder murder of Sid Wells that yielded, earlier this year, an arrest warrant for the longtime suspect in the case, Thayne Smika, obtained after detectives and prosecutors went through everything again, conducted new interviews, and determined they had enough to go to court.
When Becky, the second bloodhound, walked right into the open door of that unit four days after Alie vanished, maintenance workers were cleaning up — the previous tenant had abruptly moved out.
The previous tenant was 32-year- old Nicholas Randolph Stofer.
An examination of Englewood’s case files paints a portrait of Stofer as a young man with a lot of problems.
Born Nicholas Randolph Schultz, he’d gotten a new name after his mother remarried and his stepfather adopted him. He grew up in the Littleton area, and by age 15, he was drinking and using drugs and engaging in sex with a male classmate. He later served in the U.S. Navy but was bounced out on an “other than honorable” discharge and drifted, married and divorced twice, found jobs and lost them, and used massive amounts of drugs and alcohol.
On June 2, 1993, 15 days after Alie vanished, investigators had their first contact with Stofer. In a telephone interview, Stofer claimed that around the time of Alie’s disappearance, he’d been talking with two other tenants in the complex. He said that while they were chatting, he saw Alie’s mother looking for her in the courtyard. And he said he then headed out to a pay phone in front of the complex to make calls.
But those other tenants told a different story — that when they’d left for a bingo game, Alie was still in the courtyard. Phone records showed Stofer hadn’t made any calls.
As Garrett went over everything, she saw one curiosity after another linking Stofer to Alie’s disappearance and death.
Alie was barefoot when she was found, and seven people described Stofer as having a “foot fetish” — two of them said he’d talked of being sexually attracted to small, female feet. . . . Stofer bought an Amtrak ticket to California the day Alie disappeared, then moved up his departure and was on the train when her body was found. . . . Stofer was inside his apartment as officers searched for Alie but never answered his door. . . . Stofer borrowed a Buick two days after Alie vanished, claiming he needed to go to Hudson to get his last paycheck from a railroad job but had, in fact, been fired and paid two months earlier. . . . A friend who’d helped him move into the Golden Nugget Apartments saw a green canvas bag exactly like the one used to conceal Alie’s body. . . . Alie’s brother, Sam, in multiple conversations with a psychologist, said he’d seen “the old man” take her. . . . On two separate occasions, Sam took investigators to apartment 106A after being asked where the “old man” lived.
And Garrett saw more compelling evidence, courtesy of the two dogs.
In August 1993, Yogi and Becky, in separate exercises at different locations, were given a gauze pad to sniff that had been wiped around inside the green canvas bag. And each dog then picked out Stofer’s Subaru, and later the borrowed Buick, from among a series of vehicles parked together.
And then, in April 1994, there was more. Investigators obtained a court order requiring Stofer to appear in a lineup. He and four others — three police officers and a firefighter — stood next to designated cones in a lot at a training center used by law enforcement officers from Arapahoe and Douglas counties. More than a half-mile away, a handler let Becky sniff the gauze pad.
The dog then zig-zagged her way more than 1,000 yards until the five men were in sight. Becky sniffed her way right up to Stofer, stopped in front of him and nudged his right hand.
A little later, Yogi was given the same gauze pad. He, too, worked his way to the men, jumping on Stofer when he reached him.
Later that year, investigators took the case to prosecutors in the office of then-Arapahoe County District Attorney Bob Gallagher. The prosecutors decided the case wasn’t strong enough.
Garrett saw some of the things that may have given them pause, things that could have been exploited by a defense attorney. That Sam had initially said the man who took Alie was black. That both Yogi and Becky had shown keen interest in the same apartment a block from the Berrelez home — an apartment with no ties to Alie or Stofer. That while the carpet fibers found on Alie’s clothing matched the green shag in Stofer’s apartment, they also matched the floor covering in seven other units in the building. That doctors never determined with certainty how Alie died — perhaps, they theorized, it was a result of a severe asthma attack. And, of course, that dogs can’t talk.
Still, Garrett believed the evidence pointing to Stofer far outweighed that which threw his guilt into question, and so as she thought about her next step, she believed DNA testing — much more advanced than what existed at the time Alie was killed — was her best bet.
On Feb. 8, she filled out the paperwork to send several items to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation: The green canvas bag in which Alie’s body had been found, and her shoes, underwear, jumper, shirt, headband and hair tie.
It was Garrett’s best hope, and yet she knew it might yield nothing.
“You always submit things hoping they’re going to come back with something,” she said. “But they often don’t.”
Months passed. Garrett worked other cases.
Closing the case
Tuesday, Aug. 31. The phone on Garrett’s desk rang.
“Investigations, Garrett,” she answered.
On the other end of the line was Gentry Roth, a CBI forensic scientist.
The call started with small talk. Roth told her about his memories of the case — especially Yogi, the bloodhound. He asked her a few questions about Stofer — how it was he came to be a suspect, whether he was a family friend, whether he would have been around her.
“So,” Roth finally asked, “wanna know what I did?”
“What?” Garrett asked excitedly.
Garrett’s mind raced. Submitting the evidence again had been a risk — testing can, in effect, destroy the chance to test again in the future when technology may be even more advanced.
But Roth told her how he’d run moistened cotton swabs over Alie’s clothing, then tested them. And how that testing had yielded two DNA hits — both from Alie’s underpants.
One was a partial genetic profile, and Stofer could not be eliminated as the source of it. Because the profile was not complete, Roth could not say with a “reasonable degree of scientific certainty” that it came from Stofer. But what Roth could say was that the odds of it coming from someone else were, at a minimum, greater than one in 100 million. At the same time, he found a second partial profile, this one known as a Y-STR. It is a DNA profile that is male-specific and is passed from fathers to sons. And it, too, matched Stofer.
Because the samples were so small, Roth could not tell her what had left the DNA. It could have been anything — drops of sweat, or saliva, or a few skin cells.
No matter. Garrett had DNA consistent with Stofer’s on the underpants Alie was wearing when her body was found. And with that, she had the final clue she needed to close the books on a case that frustrated her and many other investigators and left Alie’s family in limbo for more than 18 years.
About 20 feet and an open area separate Garrett’s desk from the office of Englewood Police Chief John Collins, who as a young detective had worked some on the Berrelez case in the early years. Collins could tell Garrett was on the phone with someone, and then he heard her yelling.
“Stop what you’re doing,” she yelled to Collins. “You better sit down. . . . This is kind of big.”
A moment later, Garrett burst into his office.
“We have a DNA hit,” she said excitedly.
“On who?” Collins asked.
“Alie’s case,” Garrett said.
“Stofer?”
“Yep.”
Kevin Vaughan: 303-954-5019 or kvaughan@denverpost.com

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  House is a Maze No Intruder Could Navigate
Posted by: meibomius - 02-21-2017, 09:36 PM - Forum: Disproving Myths - No Replies

MYTH: The layout of the house is a maze, and no intruder could have navigated it without being totally familiar with the house. This myth I believe was first leaked by the BPD very early on, and has persisted in the minds of a lot of RDI. Even many IDI aren't sure how to counter the argument, because the layout of the house really is very complex and it isn't easy to visualize the actual path that an intruder needed to travel.

However, the parts of the house any intruder would have had to navigate to be responsible for every aspect of this crime are actually very small (i once roughly calculated it as about 20% of the house, but it was a crude estimation and I don't recall how I did it.)

To illustrate just how little of the entire house an intruder would have needed to navigate, here is an exploded floorplan of the house,* with very hastily drawn in paths of entrance and exit to cover four different possible points of entry (GREEN), then getting from JonBenét's bedroom down the the basement and the storage room where her body was found (YELLOW), and finally possible exit paths back the way he had entered, or out one of the other possible points of entry (RED). The flashlight, the markers and the notepad are all right along this path

This was done very hastily and so iis very crude looking, but I wanted to get this up here for people to react to. Does it surprise you? Does it help make the point? Is it worth spending the time to do more neatly and carefully? (& using another floorplan image if copyright is a concern) Suggestions?


*I believe I saw this original image (without paths) has been posted on one of the major forums, maybe FFJ, but I can't find any original source at the moment, and I can't find any copyright notice to help find the source.  If someone knows the original source (maybe one of the news outlets?), I can add a credit. If the moderator feels it clearly violates any copyright, do what you must. This is used in good faith for what I believe is a fair use. 
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  chris wolf handwriting comparison.
Posted by: BIZ - 02-21-2017, 03:45 PM - Forum: Handwriting - No Replies


.pdf   Chris Wolf Handwriting Comparison to Ransom Note from u:samarkandy - Imgur.pdf (Size: 1.87 MB / Downloads: 4)
.pdf   Chris Wolf Handwriting Comparison to Ransom Note from u:samarkandy - Imgur.pdf (Size: 1.87 MB / Downloads: 4) http://imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4C

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  The Ransom note and the Movie Connection
Posted by: BIZ - 02-21-2017, 03:33 PM - Forum: Linguistics - Ransom Note - No Replies

Ransom (1996)

Story Lines
Specified denomination of bills and type of container for delivery of the ransom
The delivery of the ransom requires extreme physical exertion [The RN encourages John to be well-rested]
The child is bound with his hands placed above his head
Duct tape is used on the child
The child's parent is a wealthy businessman who can fly his own plane
The kidnapper employs counter-surveillance
Similar Phrases
"Do not involve the police or the FBI. If you do, I will kill him."
"Do not inform the media or I will kill him."
"No tracking devices in the money or the cases or I will kill him."


Ruthless People (1986) 

Similar Phrases
"Mister Stone. Listen very carefully." 
"We have kidnapped your wife."
"We have no qualms about killing and will do so at the slightest provocation. Do you understand?"
"I have no patience for stupid questions, Mister Stone, and I donÂ’t like repeating myself. Do you understand?"
"You are to obtain a new, black, American Tourister briefcase. Model numbereight-one-o-four. Do you understand?"
"In it you will place five hundred thousand dollars in unmarked, non-
sequentially numbered one-hundred dollars bills. Do you understand?" 
"Monday morning, at eleven A.M., you will proceed, with case in hand, to Hope Street Plaza and wait for a phone to ring. You will receive further instructions then. Do you understand?"
"You will be watched at all phases of execution. If anyone is with you, or if any action is not carried out to our complete satisfaction, it will be
considered an infraction of the rules, and your wife will be killed. Do you understand?" 
"If you notify the police, your wife will be killed. If you notify the media, she will be killed. If you deviate from our instructions in any way whatsoever, she will be killed. Do you understand?"


Speed (1994)

Story Lines
Specified denomination of bills and type of container for delivery of the ransom
The kidnapper employs counter-surveillance
Phrases
"You know that I'm on top of you. Do not attempt to grow a brain." [RN states: "Don't try to grow a brain John"]


"Mind Hunter," by FBI profiler John Douglas. 

In chapter 16, there is a case of a young girl who is kidnapped, sexually assaulted, and suffocated with duct tape. When the killer called the mother, he began with the words "listen carefully." The same two words begin the ransom note." 
Others have speculated that the references to "John" in the RN were to John Douglas rather than John Ramsey, i.e., that the writer was deliberately taunting FBI profilers.
Seven (1995)

Story Lines
Police drama about two cops, one new and one about to retire, after a serial killer using the seven deadly sins as his MO.[JBR may or may not have been killed by a serial killer; elements of "staging" suggest there may have been something symbolic about her death in the mind of the killer].
Phrases
Killer: "I'm setting the example. What I've done is going to be puzzled over and studied and followed... forever." [JBR's killer may have been implicitly trying to "send a message" about the U.S. "we respect your business but not the country that it serves." Alternatively the killer may have been bothered by little girls being beauty pageant queens, although this theme is not mentioned in RN].
Killer: "Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention." [JBR was dealt a savage blow to the head, one that would fell a 350 lb. lineman, far more than what was needed for her to die. If the point of this blow was to send a message, however, one would have expected it to be externally visible, which it was not. On the other hand, an extremely experienced or far-sighted killer would have known the public shock value of learning this fact at the autopsy.]. 
Killer: "It seems that envy is my sin." [The allusion to "fat cat" in the RN suggests the killer may have been envious of JR; on the other hand, it's not clear the killer would have been self-critical enough to label his/her behavior as envious]. 
Nick of Time (1995)
When Aired. "On the night JonBenet was murdered, the movie 'Nick of Time' aired at 7:30 P.M. on a Boulder cable channel....Bill Cox, who was staying with Fleet and Priscilla White, told the police he remembered watching the movie that night." (Schiller 1999:225t).
Story Lines
"The story centers on an unarmed political faction that kidnaps a six-year-old girl." (Schiller 1999:225,).
Similar Phrases
"The victim is told, "Listen to me very carefully.'" (Schiller 1999:225,)

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  transference anyone?
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-20-2017, 11:31 PM - Forum: A Little Girl's Dream - No Replies

4.0 out of 5 starsHURRAH FOR INSIDE PAGEANT STORY!! AN EX PAGEANT MOM !
ByA customeron April 23, 1998
Format: Paperback
What a sad story. I'm also an abused child I wished I had the courage to tell my side of what happened to me, but I can't. I will read this book over and over...someday maybe I will have the courage to TELL. This book will help many who have been abused. I cried when I read her story...the anguish she must be going through. Can you imagine what little JonBenet went through...only the people who have gone through with it will ever know. The last chapter makes you stop and think...Did mommy and daddy really do it??? The only other thing, I wished it would have contained more about the pageant industry. I got out because i didn't agree on what those moms do to their beautiful little girls. I also saw the hitting, the pulling of hair, and some DUCT-TAPING. It wasn't for me!

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  another PDI
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-20-2017, 11:26 PM - Forum: The Tragic Little Pageant Princess - No Replies

Top Customer Reviews
1.0 out of 5 stars   May be good fiction but NOT true crime
By jameson on June 22, 2015
Format: Kindle Edition
Another book full of misinformation, guess Patsy Ramsey's death brought out all these authors. Dead people can't sue. I will point out one mistake in his book that involves me personally. Don Foster, linguistics expert, now discredited linguistics failure, was NOT discounted in this case because he once wrote a sympathy note to the Ramseys. He was discredited because he first accused John Andrew of the crime, had identified some Internet posts as belonging to JAR, identified those posts as the killer's, but he was wrong. The posts belonged to a middle-aged female from Massachusetts, not a college boy from Georgia.
But this author misinforms people about Foster and other facts in this case. May be good fiction but NOT true crime.

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  Thank you Lori for the review
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-20-2017, 11:19 PM - Forum: An Angel Betrayed - No Replies

1.0 out of 5 starsdeserves zero stars -- don't waste your money
By Lori on November 11, 2014
Format: Paperback|Verified Purchase
I would give this book zero stars if I could. It is the most poorly-written and possibly the worst book I have ever read. I wish I could get my money back -- don't spend yours.

First off, it's less a book than a self-published, rambling screed. The author is not a writer, a journalist, a law enforcement professional or a part of any other profession that could shine a light on this complicated and extremely sad case. It turns out he is a poster at web sites websleuths and forumsforjustice with no credentials or standing to write the book -- just a guy with a rambling, unsubstantiated, incoherent theory and the money to publish it. There is no new information in this book. People and testimony are quoted from other sources; there are no citations, no footnotes. Posts from the forums are quoted using posters' nicknames. Other authors' and investigators' work is mined for the only factual information in the book. The author has a theory and subjects the reader to his smug opinions on every page. The grammar is horrendous. The book is poorly organized with constant refrains of "More on that later" and no index.

With an almost creepy lack of cohesion, the author slips in opinions of things, names and cases that don't have anything to do with JonBenet's tragic murder, whether in venom-filled statements or clumsy, at times illiterate analogies. In this over-the-top jeremiad he mentions, among other things, Family Guy, Anna Nicole Smith, Star Trek, and Barack Obama. He uses vulgar and vile language throughout the book. One of the attorneys from the Boulder DA's Office is said to be "a bitchy little nudnik." A female attorney is characterized as "a radical feminist." DA Alex Hunter is called a "a no-good, weak bastard." Ramsey attorney Lin Wood is described as "a slimy, ugly, bald, unprincipaled maggot with a law degree." And there's this (and many more like it): "Another problem is that nobody can seem to unglue the DA's lips off of John Ramsey's ass."

I could go on but you get the point. The book is trashy and ill-informed. Save your money

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  Not mine but excellent review
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-20-2017, 10:55 PM - Forum: Mother Gone Bad - Replies (1)

Top Customer Reviews of A MOTHER GONE BAD

1.0 out of 5 stars
Bypodmomon January 20, 2015
Format: Paperback|Verified Purchase
As a psychologist, I found this book to be very unprofessional. Although I do believe the parents caused her death and Patsy wrote the ransom note, I do not believe that Dr. Hodges' methods are independently validated or peer-reviewed. It also worries me that he keeps touting his amazing breakthrough that will revolutionize criminal science - this sounds grandiose and is an odd statement from a mental health prnot mine but excellent reviewofessional. The book contains no footnotes or index so it is difficult to evaluate many of the "facts" presented. While handwriting analysis and statement analysis are accepted methods within the field, Dr. Hodges seems to find excessive meaning in every word and letter which I am afraid is not always real. For instance, when Patsy mentions in a Christmas letter that Burke is in 3rd grade, Dr. Hodges finds that she is referring to a sexual threesome, which seems like a stretch to me. On the other hand, Dr. Hodges seems not to notice some very obvious things - he mentions that the name JonBenet must have created a "special bond" between father and daughter, but never mentions that giving your daughter a feminized version of your own name denies her a separate identity and bespeaks of ownership. In researching Dr. Hodges on the web, I discovered that he has written books and articles "analyzing" President Obama, finding that he "confessed" that he stole the 2012 election, is not legally or mentally fit to be President, and wants to become a "dictator." When a mental health professional presents such an open agenda, I would be very very suspicious of all of his "scholarly" work.

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