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  Sealed portions released - news story
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-20-2017, 07:20 PM - Forum: Autopsy - No Replies

The Denver Post
August 16, 2006



Released under court order Wednesday, the last sealed
portions of JonBenet Ramsey’s autopsy report focused on the cord
and the stick used to strangle her.

The stick is 4 1/2 inches long and broken on both ends,
according to the autopsy report. It’s spotted with “”several
colors of paint” and glistens with varnish.

“Printed in gold letters on one end of the wooden stick is
the word “Korea,”’ Boulder County Coroner John Meyer’s
nine-page report states.

The end of another word appears from
beneath the cord on the stick, and strands of blond hair are
caught in the knot and the cord.

An autopsy photograph shows the cord wrapped around the stick
seven times and spotted with royal blue and black paint.

Investigators have checked the paint on the stick against paint
in the Ramsey home.

“The stick could be very significant,” said one veteran
metro-area homicide investigator. “”Is it some memento of
someone’s journey there (to Korea), and where was it normally
kept? And where is the rest of it?”

Dr. Tom Henry, Denver’s chief medical examiner, said details
in Wednesday’s report probably were released last to allow time
for comparison with statements collected in the investigation.
“This would be one way to find out who’s telling the truth and
who’s not.”

But Henry and other forensic experts who have reviewed the
document stuck by earlier statements that the key to identifying
the killer isn’t in the autopsy report.

Arapahoe County Coroner Dr. Michael Dobersen cautioned
against reading too much into the autopsy. “”The findings are
only part of the whole story,” he said.

The information released Wednesday describes how the coroner
found JonBenet’s body covered with a blanket and a Colorado
Avalanche sweatshirt when he entered the home at 8:20 p.m. on
Dec. 26. The body lay face up, with arms over the head, Meyer
wrote.

Boulder detective Cmdr. John Eller declined to comment about
whether the release of the autopsy report will harm the
investigation, now into its eighth month. Nor would he comment
about evidence described in the autopsy report.

“It belongs in court,” he told The Denver Post.

Investigation continues

Eller said his detectives have been contacting about 35 sex
offenders registered in Boulder for possible connections to the
case. “”We’re looking for additional leads, information and to
shut down potential defenses,” Eller said.

He added that his investigators were “”out until about 2 a.m.
(Wednesday). They haven’t stopped. That needs to be stressed.”

Hal Haddon, John Ramsey’s attorney, said the newly released
information about the cord and stick supports the family’s
contention that the apparatus was brought into the Ramsey’s home.

“What it tells us is this was well planned. The way it was
knotted, the way it was constructed, it was clearly a planned
thing,” Haddon said.

In analyzing the ransom note, it too “”was
well planned and constructed in a very deliberate way,” he said.

JonBenet’s body was clothed in a long-sleeved white T-shirt
with a silver-sequined star on the front, white long underwear
and panties. The long underwear and panties were stained with
urine. The panties, which had the word “”Wednesday” on the
waistband, also were stained in the crotch with red spots up to
a half-inch in diameter.

Heart on her hand

She also was wearing a gold identification bracelet bearing her
name and the date Dec. 25, 1996. A cross hung on a gold chain
around her neck, and she wore a gold ring on the middle finger
of her right hand. A heart was drawn in red ink on the palm of
her left hand. Her hair was gathered in two ponytails, one on
the top of her head and another at the back.

“The urine doesn’t tell me very much because it’s very
common for the … bladder to relax” at the time of death,
(Tom) Henry said.

 He said he assumed the stains were blood but that
it’s impossible to tell just from the autopsy report whether a
sexual assault took place.

Dobersen said, “”Most pathologists and physicians who have
looked at the report seem to lean in the direction of a sexual
assault as far as interpreting those injuries.”

Earlier releases from the report showed JonBenet died of
strangulation and an 8.5-inch-long skull fracture; it gives no
clue about which happened first. The girl also had injuries to
her genital area, but experts differ over whether she was
sexually assaulted.

No time of death

John Ramsey found his daughter’s body in the basement of their
home at 755 15th Street about 1:20 p.m. the day after Christmas.
He carried her upstairs, where someone covered the girl with the
Avalanche sweatshirt.

That morning, her mother had found a note demanding $118,000
for the girl’s safe return.

The autopsy report does not have an estimated time of death.

“I consider estimation of time of death to be an interpretive
finding rather than a factual statement,” Meyer explained in a
prepared statement that accompanied the report.

Still not released are reports on toxicology and other tests
on evidence collected from the body, including samples from
JonBenet’s blood, body orifices, hair, eyelashes, eyebrows and
clothing.

Meyer has long claimed that release of the report could harm
the investigation. Parts of the autopsy were released on Feb.
14. When the seal on the rest of the report came up for renewal
May 15, a district court judge ordered most of the rest
released. Meyer unsuccessfully appealed the release all the way
to the state supreme court.

Investigators from the police department and the district
attorney’s office are planning to visit the FBI in Quantico,
Va., in early September to confer on the case.

 So far, District Attorney Alex Hunter, deputies Pete Hofstrom and Trip DeMuth and
special investigator Lou Smit, along with police Detectives Jane
Harmer, Steve Thomas, Ron Gosage, Tom Trujillo and Tom Wickman
are expected to make the trip.

Also Wednesday, the Boulder district attorney’s office said
that as of June 24, it had spent $70,669 investigating the
Ramsey murder. Expenses are running about $9,000 a month, said
spokeswoman Suzanne Laurion.

Published Aug. 8, 1997

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  look close for web
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  fibers on bat found on north side of house
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-20-2017, 05:57 PM - Forum: Fiber and Hair Evidence - No Replies

From Newsweek May 19, 2000

Police found fibers from the (basement) carpet on a baseball bat in the bushes outside the house, leading Smit to believe the killer used it to bludgeon JonBenet.

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  window in the news
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-20-2017, 05:52 PM - Forum: Broken window/ Spider web - No Replies

A basement window was open, and the window well outside showed signs of fresh disturbance. But the police inexplicably rejected an officer's request to bring in police dogs to find a possible scent trail. Smit noticed leaves and debris, including foam packing peanuts, outside the house in the window well. Inside the basement, he saw similar leaves and foam peanuts, including one 60 feet away in the room where JonBenet was found--a possible sign an intruder coming through the window had tracked the debris through the basement. "The wind sure didn't blow those in there," Smit says. Smit also saw a fresh print from a Hi-Tec shoe, a brand no one in the family owned.

From Newsweek 3/19/2000

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  Police tried to hide Lou's evidence
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-20-2017, 05:50 PM - Forum: Stun Gun - Replies (2)

From "The Intruder Theory", a story published in Newsweek on 3/19/00


"Examining autopsy photos, Smit noticed unusual sets of abrasions on JonBenet's back and face. Smit wondered if they had been made by a stun gun--an unlikely weapon for a parent to use on a child. Smit measured the marks and discovered they matched a brand of stun gun called the Air Taser. He began to believe the killer may have used the stun gun on JonBenet as she slept, then carried her to the basement. The Boulder police were skeptical of Smit's stun-gun theory, and showed some of the autopsy pictures to Arapahoe County coroner Dr. Michael Doberson, who had researched stun-gun wounds. Doberson said he didn't think the marks were from a stun gun. But recently, NEWSWEEK asked Doberson to review Smit's stun-gun evidence. Doberson says the police never showed him Smit's pictures comparing the size and orientation of the marks with the electrical contacts on the Air Taser. He now calls Smit's stun-gun theory "compelling.""

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  Newsweek describes interview day
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-20-2017, 12:03 AM - Forum: Ramsey cooperation - Replies (1)

   

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  Partial list of neighbors
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-19-2017, 10:39 PM - Forum: Neighbors - Replies (1)

SCHAFFNER, SABINE H 715 15TH ST                                                    HOLLAND, B 730 15TH ST

                                                                                                                   FORTIER, JEAN 743 15TH ST


STANTON, MELODY AND LUTHER 738 15TH ST
                                  BRUMFITT, DIANE 745 15TH ST


LIMERICK, JEFFREY W AND PATRICIA N 752 15TH ST
                                                                                                                  RAMSEY, JOHN B AND PATSY 755 15TH ST



BARNHILL, JOE AND BETTY 764 15TH ST
                                                                                                                  GIBBONS, SCOTT AND PRISCILLA FREEMAN  765 15TH ST
NUHN, AINSLEY AND KATI SNARE 774 15TH ST
                                                                                                                   CORNWELL, C H 777 15TH ST
                                                                                                                  

                                                                                                                   VANN, PATRICK R 789 15TH ST



I am not sure this is correct, hopefully someone can help with this.

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  the flavor of the book is just rotten
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-19-2017, 08:31 PM - Forum: The Craven Silence - a series - Replies (2)

A quote from the book - just so you can see the "flavor" of the writing.  (Personally, I'd rather barf than read that garbage.  This is one series I will not have in my collection.  It really is sick.)

Six year old JonBenet was lying in the dark, dead as a doll. Rigor mortis began to clutch at her limbs and discolor them. The most beautiful of children in life, terrifyingly the coin had spun the other way. The little blond princess was dead... [The] unseen, unheard, disregarded broken child on the floor was a reminder: though we are gods, we are also worms and food for worms.

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  Diane Hollis polygraph
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-19-2017, 07:46 PM - Forum: Polygraphs - Replies (3)

transcript from BORG Peter Boyles with polygrapher Gene Parker 

PB: This man's name came up in a couple of news articles and news stories when John and Patsy Ramsey first announced to the entire world that they had passed the polygraph test. Please say "Good Morning" to Gene Parker. Mr. Parker has himself a former Police Chief . He also has been well involved in the polygraph business. Mr. Parker, Good Morning.

GP: Why Good Morning, from Meeker, Colorado.

PB: Thanks for coming on the show. There seems to be a number of things. I spoke with Mr. Parker yesterday in a private conversation. There's been an awful lot of talk about your involvement or on-involvement in this case. So let me bring up a couple of the questions that seem to be out there quite a bit. Did you ever do any work for John Ramsey or for his company prior to this?

GP: No, I never did.

PB: OK. Had you ever met the Ramseys?

GP: No, I never had.

PB: Who approached you to do this exam initially?

GP: Back on 11 December, '97 I was requested by a national newspaper to confirm the authenticity of a Diane Hollis, who is a former executive secretary of John Ramsey, as to her statement as to, ahh, what had occurred in, ahh, conversation in the Ramsey office.

PB: For the folks in our audience, what did Ms. Hollis say had occurred in terms of a conversation?

GP: She stated that, ahh, there was conversation going on with, umm, some remorse as to, ahh, what had taken place at the murder scene.

PB: Could you go further, elaborate further from that, Gene, if you would?

GP: Ohhhh, let me see. I'm looking at a deposition that I wrote at the time and, uhhh, regarding, uhh, the accuracy of the examination. But, the gist of it was that, uhhh, "Were you told that John Ramsey was molesting JonBenet? That Patsy saw it, swung at John but hit JonBenet instead?" And there was a 88% probability that Miss Hollis was truthful with her "Yes" response utilizing an instrument of the United States Government polygraph for that purpose.

PB: That's why this is significant. That, there's another very significant part of this as well. Again, if you would, Gene, the best of your knowledge who was Miss Hollis and what was her job working for John Ramsey?

GH: She was an executive secretary
.
PB: And how did she come across this information?

GH: That, at this point, with due respect to your very fine radio station, I would be unable to provide for you, other than the fact that records show that Miss Hollis was an executive secretary for John Ramsey.

PB: And you tested Miss Hollis?

GH: Yes.

PB: And when Miss Hollis told you what you've just told us that she said, she tested out which way, true or false?

GH: Way to the absolute probability of truthfulness. That same, the same question was formulated three different ways and to each of those three different ways, uhhh, she, uhhh, the results of the examination shows that she was, the probability of truthfulness was very accurate, in the high 90's. The examination took approximately three hours and the actual exam itself about, uhh, 5 minutes times 3 times that was given to her.

PB: Now what's important about this is the Ramseys now tell us that they have total faith and trust in all polygraphs. And yet here comes this. And I don't know how much of this has ever gotten attention before so I wonder what their reaction will be, and I'm not asking for a comment from you. If we could then move on.
Were you ever requested or did anyone ever come to you about doing the Ramsey polygraph on John and Patsy?

GH: Yes.

PB: Yep.

GH Some short period of time ago I received a telephone call from some people that identified themselves as attorneys for John Ramsey.

PB: Did they mention names or could you mention their names?

GH: Yes, they mentioned names but I'm not at liberty to give those out, with due respect.

PB: All right. Fair enough.

GH: At which time I said "yes" since I had done the first one that...

PB: By the way Gene, did they know you had done the Hollis exam?

GH: Yes. Yes. In so much that I utilized an instrument perfected by the United States government and I had done the first Hollis polygraph which kind of started the whole thing that, "Yes, I would be more than happy to examine John and Patsy." And I quoted my fee. At which time I stated that because of the high profile of the case that it would require that a urine examination be done with a medical doctor and a registered nurse, for obvious reasons, presence. Uhhhm, the attorney said, who stated that he was an attorney, I had reason to believe that he was, stated, "Fine, they would get back to me." Some three hours later I received a telephone call from that same telephone number on my Caller-ID that I originally had got stating that they had declined my offer, they had found someone that would not require a urine examination, thank you very much.




PB: But that, that other person would be the legendary now Mr. T, the guy in NJ, who finds, after testing Patsy a number of times, he can't get an accurate read which I am told, and I certainly don't have any expertise, that when you keep getting inconclusive results, you've got a liar.

GP: Yes and no. Uhhh, there are---the human mind is a very strange thing, a very complex thing in so much as that a lot of things can cause an inconclusive.


PB: But how many inconclusives can you keep getting?

GP: With this instrument I rarely get one.

PB: Hang on, Gene. Let me bring you back and get a wrap-up.

Break

PB: ...He had an opportunity to do a lie, ahh, polygraph, I say lie detectors and I've been told time again and again and again Don't say that, but polygraph examination on a woman who also plays out in this as well, her name is Hollis, and ahh, Miss Hollis, Diane Hollis was the former executive secretary to John Ramsey. And he did a polygraph on her. You were, I believe it was, if I know anything about this, this took place in Arvada? Or would you rather not say?

GP: In that area.

PB: Fair enough. And what she told you is that she was told, and again this is a former executive secretary, she was told by someone in the organization, or someone, I shouldn't even set it up that way but

GP: I think maybe I can help you. She had a conversation several times with a personal secretary of John Ramsey.

PB: And she also was the executive secretary.

GP: Right, the executive had discussion with the personal secretary of John Ramsey which stated incidents of remorse and of some discussion as to what really took place.

PB: And what she was told, the fact that you say that 88% probability that this woman is telling the truth.

GP: That's correct. I'm looking at my notes here to the second relevant question, uhhhm, "Did you give, did you have the discussion with the personal secretary which lasted over an hour and a half period of time regarding what took place with JonBenet Ramsey?" and there was a 97% probability she was truthful, that she gained the information from the personal secretary.


PB: Wow! And then they, when initially they came to you to do some polygraphing and then you wanted them to take a UA and they would not do it. Why would that be important or significant, Gene, to the uninitiated?

GP: This was again the follow-up, where the media and, uhhh, events of the time had brought it to the head that it has now that I received a phone call to take in, OK, a polygraph examines John and Patsy. And because of the high profile of the case, because of their great monetary abilities and ability of certain drugs that are available that could affect the human body system that is examined by polygraph why I insisted that there be a registered nurse and a MD there to take a urine examination prior to the examination. So there would be no doubt in anyone's mind that anything might have caused reaction to change to whatever from what it really is. At which time, some three hours later, the law office called back and stated "Thanks but no thanks."

PB: So if you wanted to do a UA on whether or not they were doing...

GP: Whether they had used a drug. Which could, which very well could cause for an inconclusive, let alone could even take and show a truthful being deceptive.


[size=medium][color=#333333][font=ARIAL]PB: What's interesting about this is, even if, because clearly if they were, if they could pass a UA, they'd have come to you. And I'm guessing that.

GP: Sure.

PB: But they couldn't pass the UA so they go to another guy who doesn't require a UA and they still, Patsy still comes out on two occasions inconclusive, apparently--Carol McKinley from Fox News in an interview with the Ramseys, they did tell her they're both taking Prozac and if you watch Patsy Ramsey on TV you know there's more than just Prozac going on there. I don't know if you know that but you can certainly believe it.

GP: Yes, my Masters being in Psychology I have studied the effects of drugs probably as reasons that I polygraph for the Department of Defense. And I have found that there are certain drugs, let alone in that financial-ability category of the Ramseys to take certain drugs that could very easily cause it, which was the reason why I required a medical doctor and an RN which is I think only about the fifth or sixth time in my 20 some odd years of polygraphing that I've needed it.

PB: Gene, if they'd 've given you a hot UA

GP: Umhmm.

PB: That, that kills the whole thing?

GP: That's correct.

PB: Would you like to, I mean, I don't know what further comments...By the way, do you mind if I give your web site a plug or?

GP: Yeah, go ahead. At 64 years of age, anything.

PB: Yeah (chuckling) what are they gonna do to you, right? Actually, I've got a couple of web sites and phone numbers. What would you like to give out to the public?

GP: Oh, I don't know, the one that's http://www.PolygraphPlace.com/ColoradoPolygraph is one.

PB: Do it again and do it slow.

GP: http://www.PolygraphPlace.com/ColoradoPolygraph

PB: Fair enough.

GP: And then there is the expert pages for the world in different categories. http://www.ExpertPages.com And when you get to that click into experts in polygraphs and you'll see a map, click into experts of the world, in this case, click on Colorado.

PB: We will say goodbye off air and I know we'll be in touch and I know we'll speak again, Gene. Thank you for being on KHOW this morning. hang on. OK?

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  Toriello tests - inconclusive
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-19-2017, 07:32 PM - Forum: Polygraphs - No Replies

Tester: Polygraph results unexplained
By Christopher Anderson
Camera Staff Writer
May 27, 2000

The polygraph examiner whose tests on John and Patsy Ramsey came up inconclusive says he can't explain the results.

Gerard Toriello, of Clifton, N.J., said Friday he conducted three tests on the couple in an Atlanta law office on April 17 and 18 - the first polygraph tests the Ramseys took.

The Ramseys underwent the tests six days after Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner Beckner announced his offer for the couple to take lie detector tests conducted by the FBI.

On April 17, Toriello tested John Ramsey for three hours. On April 18, he tested Patsy Ramsey for four hours and John Ramsey again for about two hours.

They were asked if they inflicted the injuries that caused the death of their daughter, JonBenét, in December 1996. The wording, Toriello said, was similar to that in polygraph tests the Ramseys later passed.

Toriello said all three tests he conducted came out inconclusive, based on a numerical score and using the "zone comparison" technique, the same type of test the couple later passed under a second polygrapher who re-tested the couple.

Asked why the tests were inconclusive, Toriello echoed what the Ramseys' attorney, Lin Wood, has been saying for three days: "If we knew what caused an inconclusive test, it wouldn't be an inconclusive test. We would be able to address that factor."

Reasons for inconclusive results can include anxiety, mental fatigue or physical fatigue, Toriello said.

He said both John and Patsy were taking Prozac when he administered the tests. Toriello said the medication can dull the galvanic skin responses during the test, but the results of the tests would not necessarily be affected.

The examiner can factor in the medication's affects when reviewing the charts, he said. The medication would not cause one response to be higher on one question and not on another, he said.

Toriello said he could not disclose the scores or the charts that accompany the test until Boulder police and prosecutors first have a chance to evaluate them.

After Toriello's tests, the Ramseys retook polygraph tests with Los Angeles polygrapher Ed Gelb. Patsy Ramsey's first test with Gelb had "artifacts," most likely because of her physical movement or animated gestures when answering questions, Wood said.

After three marred tests, the Ramseys went on to pass five polygraph tests by Gelb.

Those test results were quality-checked by San Diego polygrapher Cleve Backster, called the grandfather of modern polygraph techniques. Backster confirmed that the Ramseys passed the tests.

The Ramseys paid for all the tests. They say they want the Boulder police and the Boulder County District Attorney's Office to review the results.

Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner said police are willing to look at any information that could help the case, but the results will not remove the Ramseys from suspicion.

The couple refused to take polygraph tests administered by the FBI. Polygraphs are not admissible as evidence in Colorado courts, although they are used frequently by law enforcement agencies as an investigative tool.

In a Friday interview on Larry King Live, Gelb said his tests can only determine whether someone was attempting deception when answering questions. He said the tests are 95 percent accurate.

"I don't think a polygraph has anything to do with guilt or innocence," he said.

May 27, 2000

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