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  what BORG hears
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-19-2017, 12:33 AM - Forum: 911 call - Replies (4)

I posted the following on Monday Feb 20

"At the end of the 911 call John Ramsey is heard barking to Burke "We're not speaking to you". It is stated in a clear parent-to-child tone, with venom and contempt."

This is just one example of what BORG hears when they listen to the tape.

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  Patsy on psychotherapy
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-18-2017, 10:29 PM - Forum: Patsy Ramsey - bio - Replies (2)

24 TOM HANEY: You mentioned earlier 25 about getting counseling for Burke. How about 0133  1 counseling for you and John?  2 PATSY RAMSEY: Oh, yeah, yeah.  3 TOM HANEY: You still going or--  4 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-hum.  5 TOM HANEY: Both of you?  6 PATSY RAMSEY: Not as frequently  7 now. I mean when I first started going, when I  8 came back to Colorado after burying JonBenet, I  9 mean I never had any experience with 10 psychotherapy, because I never really needed it, 11 even when I had cancer, I didn't feel like I 12 needed it, because I had support of my husband, 13 my family and my faith and you know, God healed 14 me and I could get bigger. But this was just, 15 you know, way beyond anything. 16 And I realized, I mean it was after 17 several weeks of just being in that fetal 18 position, crying, and just not wanting to live 19 basically, and you think, I can't go on like 20 this. I need help. And I wasn't real sure what 21 was out there, because I never had any 22 experience to know what was out there.

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  the start of a myth
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-18-2017, 10:22 PM - Forum: Burke Ramsey - bio - No Replies

7 TRIP DeMUTH: A couple of questions  8 Tom. With Evan Colby, was there ever a time  9 when Burke and Evan were under the porch without 10 their clothes on something, like that? 11 PATSY RAMSEY: (Nodding). 12 TRIP DeMUTH: Can you tell me about 13 that? 14 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I think 15 Cynthia Savage, my housekeeper-nanny, told me 16 about that one time. They were, there isn't a 17 porch to be under, but I think Evan taught Burke 18 that it was easier to go pee-pee outside than to 19 take the time to go inside to go pee-pee, so he 20 sort of taught him how to go behind the tree. 21 Evan is a little guy. 22 TRIP DeMUTH: How little is little 23 Evan? 24 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, I want to say 25 Burke was probably six or seven, Evan was 7 or 0120  1 8, or something like that. And Suzanne told me  2 she came out and saw -- I think she said they  3 were kind of by where we kept this trash can,  4 sort on the left side of the garage and Evan had  5 his pants down showing Burke his -- works.  6 TRIP DeMUTH: Would Burke also have  7 his pants down or not?  8 PATSY RAMSEY: I don't think  9 I heard that.

my comment - from this bit in Patsy's 1998 interview, the story grew into Burke being gay.  The BORG were vicious.

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  Quick info about the Duct tape
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 03-18-2017, 11:28 AM - Forum: Duck Tape - Replies (14)

  • The duct tape was black, a point John Ramsey makes repeatedly. At one point he states "it was like black. It wasn't electrical tape. It was kind of white, black, unusual tape, I thought." It appears that "wide" may have been incorrectly transcribed as "white" in this statement since there are repeated other instances in which he refers to the tape as black. Crime scene photos make the tape appear gray, but this may be due to a reflection of light off the black tape  John  also several times notes the smooth edges of the tape, asserting that it has been cut with a knife and NOT torn by hand as one might normally do with duct tape. Note the Carnes opinion below indicates both ends were torn.John  reported the tape adhered all the way to JonBenet's mouth, i.e., it was not just loose on her lips. The tape is described as wider than electrical tape but not as wide as duct tape; JR appears quite certain on this point. He had previously used tape of a similar size that was white for sailing, but had never seen that type of tape in black previously. Note the Carnes opinion below indicates it was duct tape despite John's insistence it was not that wide (in the interviews, John is surprised by how wide the tape appears in crime-scene photos since it does not square his recollection).
Carnes Opinion
  • ******Lip Prints on Tape. Plaintiff also notes that the strip of duct tape found on JonBenet's mouth had a bloody mucous on it and a "perfect set of child's lip prints, which did not indicate a tongue impression or resistance." (PSDMF 53.)(Carnes 2003:15).*******Both Ends Torn. "Both ends of the duct tape found on her were torn, indicating that it came from a roll of tape that had been used before. (SMF P 171; PSMF P 171.) (Carnes 2003:18).*******Animal Hair. "Animal hair, alleged to be from a beaver, was found on the duct tape. (SMF 183; PSMF 183.) Yet, nothing in defendants' home matches the hair (SMF 183; PSMF 183.), thereby suggesting either that the duct tape had been obtained from outside the home or that it had been carried outside the home at some point." (Carnes 2003:71).
FBI Findings
  • Date Manufactured. "The FBI had determined that the tape .... had first been manufactured in November 1996 under the brand name Suretape. The tape had a 40 percent calcium filler in the adhesive, and its yarn/scrim count of 20/10 helped pinpoint that Bron was the tape’s distributor" (Schiller).
Source of Tape
  • Not Sourced to Ramseys. "The black duct tape used on JonBenet's  mouth has also not been sourced to defendants. (SMF P 170; PSMF P 170.)...No similar duct tape was found in the house, nor is there evidence that defendants ever used or owned such duct tape. (SMF P 172; PSMF P 172.)" (Carnes 2003:18).Not From Picture Frame. "BPD detective Byfield had located two paintings in the home, one of which was hung in JonBenet's bedroom, that had black tape attached to the rear of the frames. There was no match with the strip of tape found in the windowless room, however. It was later determined that Better Light Photography Studio had placed these pieces of tape on the frames in 1993" (Schiller)

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  John and Patsy on nightgown
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 03-18-2017, 09:47 AM - Forum: Barbie nightgown - Replies (2)

BARBARA WALTERS: When JonBenet's body was found there was one of her favorite nightgown's next to her. Her so-called Barbie nightgown.


BARBARA WALTERS: And so there was the impression that whoever did this cared about this child. Left the nightgown. Left the blanket.


BARBARA WALTERS: Again. Oh her parents did it but they, they loved her so they tried to comfort her even in death.

JOHN RAMSEY: That's a very strange… that nightgown should not have been there. It's it's a clue of some type. We don't know what. Look, we know several very positive facts about this killer we believe. It's a male. (PAUSE) It's a pedophile that looks at young… female children much differently than you and I do. They look at 'em with sexual uh eyes. I thought about it every day for 3 years. I've talked to experts. I've talked to experienced homicide detectives. (LONG PAUSE) It's the best profile we can come up with.

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  DNA and fibers?
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-18-2017, 09:41 AM - Forum: Duck Tape - No Replies

I am looking for reports on the evidence found on the black duct tape.  Reading the official records on the DNA, I find the tape was sent to BODE labs and they determined the tape was "not suitable for testing" at their lab.  So no DNA tests were done on the tape at that lab.

I believe later the stain was determined to be JonBenet's saliva.

Looking for details on what fibers were on the tape.

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  Heart in hand
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-18-2017, 09:31 AM - Forum: Autopsy - Replies (4)


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