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  info from ...
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-23-2017, 04:56 AM - Forum: Prints - finger and palm - Replies (1)

from Mark Beckner's deposition in Wolf v Ramsey

3 Q (BY MR. WOOD) You indicated, Chief
4 Beckner, that in 1997 with respect to -- late 1997,
5 you submitted some handwriting and possibly some
6 fingerprints to CBI with respect to Chris Wolf.
7 We've covered the handwriting, haven't we, that we
8 talked about earlier that Chet Ubowski gave reports
9 on a couple of occasions?
10 A Yes.
11 Q Now, what about -- you say possibly some
12 fingerprints. Did you in fact obtain fingerprints
13 from Chris Wolf?
14 A Again, I just want to clarify I'm going by
15 memory from almost four years ago. But yes, I recall
16 that we had fingerprints from Chris Wolf.
17 Q And were they submitted to CBI?
18 A Yes.
19 Q For comparisons to what?
20 A To evidence taken at the scene. Any
21 fingerprints that we had, any prints whatsoever that
22 we had at the scene.
23 Q Okay. And did you ever -- well, you go on
24 to say you obtained some handwriting exemplars in
25 1998. That would have been different from the

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1 initial handwriting?
2 A I believe so. I'm, you know --
3 Q And some palm prints --
4 A -- the best of my recollection.
5 Q Okay. Do you remember what the results
6 were that came back on the fingerprints from CBI with
7 respect to Mr. Wolf?
8 A No match.
9 Q Would I be safe then to say that across
10 the board that would be true?
11 A Yes.
12 Q If you had a match from someone you
13 wouldn't have expected to be in the house, we would
14 probably all know about it.
15 The palm print, again, you took a palm
16 print left and right from Mr. Wolf, submitted those
17 to CBI?
18 A I know we took palm prints.
19 Q Were they submitted to CBI?
20 A Yes.
21 Q Again, for comparison to what you believe
22 were palm prints taken from the crime scene?
23 A Yes.
24 Q Did you take both the left and the right
25 hand palm print from Mr. Wolf?

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1 A I don't know for sure.
2 Q Do you know what you would have expected
3 to be done in that regard?
4 A Both, I would have expected.

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  COMPARE THESE TWO IMAGES!
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-22-2017, 05:27 PM - Forum: Broken window/ Spider web - Replies (1)

       

This shows just how far CBS, Kolar and the others went to mislead the public!

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  Gurule and Dorrance - 2010
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-22-2017, 03:43 PM - Forum: Boulder crimes - Replies (1)

Men arrested in Boulder burglary could be linked to many more over 15 years
By Vanessa Miller Camera Staff Writer
Posted:   04/07/2010 08:42:11 PM MDT


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Nicholas Dorrance (Boulder County Sheriff's Office)
Two men recently arrested on suspicion of breaking into a north Boulder home may have been behind dozens of residential burglaries in the city and other parts of the Denver metro area over the past 15 years, according to police.
Nicholas Dorrance, 46, and James P. Gurule, 45, were arrested March 27 on suspicion of second-degree burglary after witnesses saw them leaving Nassau Place in a white 2000 Ford Expedition about the same time a home on the street was burglarized, according to police.
The department issued an alert for the vehicle, and Westminster police and the Colorado State Patrol helped officers stop the men on U.S. 36 near Wadsworth Boulevard. Investigators found evidence in the SUV that linked the men to the break-in, and detectives suspect they've been committing burglaries for years.
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James P. Gurule (Boulder County Sheriff's Office)
"We feel like this is going to be a significant arrest that allows us to give homeowners some answers in a lot of different cases," said Boulder police spokeswoman Sarah Huntley.
Detectives have found hundreds of items believed to be stolen, including jewelry, weapons and electronics.
Officers have matched up some of the found property with victims of previous burglaries. As for the rest of the items, officers are photographing them and plan to post the images on the department's Web site by the end of the week so victims can be reunited with their property, Huntley said. So far, the department has photographed more than 400 items, she said.
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"The items likely come from burglaries that occurred in Boulder and other parts of the metro area, possibly stemming back from 15 years ago," Huntley said.
The suspected burglars are believed to have already sold many of the high-end items, Huntley said. But, she said, many of the items that police hope to reunite with their owners might have sentimental value.
One of the items, for example, is a bracelet that has charms on it seeming to signify children's ages, she said.
Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner said his department recently created a task force to focus on catching the residential burglars. He couldn't say how many crimes Dorrance and Gurule are suspected of being involved in, but he said their arrests were "satisfying" for the officers.
Both men have posted $20,000 bonds to be released from the Boulder County Jail. They couldn't be reached for comment Wednesday. They're due back in a Boulder County Jail courtroom today for the filing of charges.
Both Gurule and Dorrance have lengthy criminal histories in Colorado, according to court records, including previous arrests for theft, drugs and alcohol violations.

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  Broken Windows and spider web crime scene photos
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 03-21-2017, 06:41 PM - Forum: Broken window/ Spider web - Replies (8)

Check these crime scene photos...


First one is the window RIGHT to the middle window..

Please click on it to see a bigger picture!!!



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  The QUOTE
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-21-2017, 09:20 AM - Forum: DNA - more technical discussions - No Replies


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OK, I am looking at the files on the DNA - lots of stuff to read and it took a long time to find the report I feel is most important.

IMO, the whole file boils down to a single fact.  While some of the DNA can be disputed, there is a single piece of evidence that points directly to the man who was with JonBenét when she died. 



That man left his DNA mixed with her blood in her panties when he sexually assaulted her.



Amy Jeanguenat is the DNA expert who worked on this sample at BODE Laboratories.  I am looking at the results of the lab report that went to Investigator Tom Bennett.  There are 13 locus listed and allelles after each separate loci.  In other words, they have the killer's DNA profile and can solve this case!


To those who would say the DNA is "iffy" or "mud" or had multiple sources, I say that simply is not true and this report proves it.  

THE QUOTE:





"When asked, Jeanguenat stated that she saw no indication

that a third party contributed to the mixture and would

'testify in court' to that effect."

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  The important quote
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-21-2017, 09:19 AM - Forum: DNA found in panties - Replies (2)

OK, I am looking at the files on the DNA - lots of stuff to read and it took a long time to find the report I feel is most important.

IMO, the whole file boils down to a single fact.  While some of the DNA can be disputed, there is a single piece of evidence that points directly to the man who was with JonBenét when she died. 




That man left his DNA mixed with her blood in her panties when he sexually assaulted her.



Amy Jeanguenat is the DNA expert who worked on this sample at BODE Laboratories.  I am looking at the results of the lab report that went to Investigator Tom Bennett.  There are 13 locus listed and allelles after each separate loci.  In other words, they have the killer's DNA profile and can solve this case!


To those who would say the DNA is "iffy" or "mud" or had multiple sources, I say that simply is not true and this report proves it.  

THE QUOTE:





"When asked, Jeanguenat stated that she saw no indication

that a third party contributed to the mixture and would

'testify in court' to that effect."

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  rope
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 09:10 PM - Forum: Rope - Replies (8)

   

I thought the rope looked the same but was told one was much more pliable than the other and the diameters were different- they were NOT the same.

I was not told that by the Ramseys and don't know if they ever got to compare the ropes side by side - - don't know where the rope is that was used in the photo shoot.

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  Shapiro sued Schiller
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 06:44 PM - Forum: Jeffrey Scott Shapiro - Replies (2)

Ramsey book creators sued
Former reporter says book libels him

By Camera staff
October 15, 2002
A former newspaper tabloid writer has filed a lawsuit against a publisher and an author he says libeled and defamed him in the book "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town," a publication about the JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation.
Jeffrey Shapiro, 29, of Florida, who wrote about the high-profile homicide for the Globe, filed his case on Wednesday in U.S. District Court in Albuquerque, N.M., because the state has a three-year statute of limitations on libel and defamation cases.
The book, written by Lawrence Schiller and published by Harper Collins Publishers Inc. in February 1999 in hardcover and in November 1999 in paperback, was distributed throughout the country.
According to the complaint, Shapiro says one sentence in the book contains a libelous statement that could have been corrected before paperback editions were printed.
"It's one sentence with pretty substantial ramifications," Shapiro's Los Angeles attorney, Neville L. Johnson, said Monday.
That sentence implicates Shapiro in an alleged extortion of former Boulder police Det. Steve Thomas when, in reality, Shapiro warned authorities of the crime, records showed.
In August 1998, the Globe editors told Shapiro of plans to blackmail Thomas into providing details of the investigation, according to the complaint. Shapiro then told Thomas and police Chief Mark Beckner about the tabloid's plan to extort Thomas, the document showed.
Two months later, Shapiro reported the plot to the FBI, the complaint said. Shapiro was fired in February 1999.
The lawsuit alleges that during a conversation with Schiller before the book was published, Schiller read a passage to Shapiro that said, "... Shapiro had a conversation with the FBI about the possibility someone had engaged in extortion with Thomas."
The published passage said "Several months later, the FBI talked to Shapiro about the possibility that he had engaged in extortion with Thomas."
In a subsequent conversation with Schiller, which Shapiro recorded, the author said he would change the sentence before the paperbacks were published. It was not changed, Shapiro's attorneys said.
"He's the man who went to the FBI to say my supervisors want to do something bad," Johnson said. "We've got Schiller admitting that he was incorrect."
Schiller said Monday night he had not seen the lawsuit, and declined to comment.
The suit is one of several that have sprung from the 1996 slaying of the Boulder girl. JonBenet's beaten and garroted body was found the basement of her parent's Boulder home on Dec. 26 of that year. The murder has gone unsolved.
http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/city_news...66,00.html




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JonBenét book spurs libel suit
By Jim Kirksey
Denver Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - Former Globe newspaper freelance reporter Jeffrey Shapiro contends that "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town," the book about the murder of JonBenét Ramsey and the subsequent investigation, is not a perfect account.

Shapiro has filed a libel suit against the book's author, Lawrence Schiller, saying the book misrepresents Shapiro's role in an alleged extortion plot by the editors of the Globe against former Boulder detective Steve Thomas in an attempt to get information about the case from Thomas.
Shapiro says in the suit that he warned Thomas of the extortion plot, then told Boulder police and the FBI, even playing tapes of his conversations with the Globe editors where the plot was discussed.
The former reporter contends he explained his role in the matter to Schiller on three occasions, and that role was acknowledged by the author. In the book, however, Schiller wrote that "the FBI talked to Shapiro about the possibility that he had engaged in extortion with Thomas."
The suit filed Wednesday in U.S. District Court in New Mexico does not specify damages, but there is a floor of $75,000 at issue to qualify for filing in U.S. District Court.
The suit was filed in New Mexico because the statute of limitations is less restrictive in that state, said Shapiro's attorney, Neville Johnson.
Schiller said he was not aware of the suit. Attempts to reach co-defendant HarperCollins Publishers, which published the book, late Monday afternoon were not successful.

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EXHIBIT 1
Page 722 "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" soft-back:
Shapiro said. Thomas thought the reporter was playing
good cop, bad cop – the oldest trick in the book.
“They know about your mother, Shapiro continued.
“We know she committed suicide.”
“My mother…my mother…”Thomas said, staring at
Shapiro.” You’ve got that all wrong. Thomas had been just
seven years old when his mother became suddenly ill and
died.
“I don’t want to see that story run,” Shapiro said. “I’m
just trying to protect you.”
But the way Thomas saw it, Shapiro was trying to buy
him. He told the reporter to leave at once.
three days later, a FedEx package arrived at Thomas’s
home. In it was a letter from Craig Lewis of the Globe, who requested an interview. Enclosed
were pictures of Thomas’s
long-deceased mother and late aunt, who had died of brain
cancer.
That afternoon, Thomas told his lawyer to write
Shapiro and the Globe that any further contact with him
would be met with legal action. Before long, Thomas heard
that the DA’s office was floating a rumor that mental
instability ran in his family.
Several months later, the FBI talked to Shapiro about
the possibility that he had engaged in extortion with Thomas.
Shapiro played them a tape he had recorded during a
conversation with Globe staff, where the topic of how to go about
levereging Detective Steve Thomas had been discussed.
Thomas decided not to press charges against the Globe
or any of its employees and the FBI dropped the investigation
for the time being. To clear his own name, Shapiro
went public with excerpts from more than half a dozen
phone conversations he’s recorded with his editors at the
Globe. It wasn’t long before he was appearing on TV and in such publications as Editor and
Publisher with his views on
tabloid journalism.

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  Why the GJ indicted
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 06:37 PM - Forum: Grand Jury Indictments - No Replies

Just posted the Dec. 2016 story Charlie Brennan did on a grand juror speaking out.  First a quote, then my comments.

The quote:

The grand juror briefly laid out several reasons central to why the grand jury voted to indict John and Patsy Ramsey.

The reasons offered by the juror are:

• "No evidence of an intruder. No footprints in the snow, no physical evidence left behind."

• "The killer was in the house for hours between the blow to the head and the strangling."

• "The location of the body in a hard-to-find room."

• "The ransom note written in the house with weird personal information and never a ransom call."

• The juror, after rattling off those points, then posed a question: "Also, how much evidence is there really that this was a sex crime?"

My comments:

Remembering the Grand Jury was seated for over a year, and that the prosecutors were trying to get Patsy arrested.  Remembering that while Lou Smit did get to speak to them he felt the persecutors were treating him with disrespect and trying to make the jury see him as less than a stellar investigator - - I have this to say.

Did no one tell them that John Fernie walked from the alleyway to the south door and then to the front door - - and if prints would have shown at all, his would have.  There were no prints in the snow because the walkways were CLEAR.

The jury didn't see evidence of anything left behind?

 Did they not hear that Dr. Doberson would testify that the marks on her body were, "to a medical certainty", caused by a stun gun and that the police could not link any Ramsey to a stun gun? 

Did they not know the cord and tape matched nothing in the house?

How about the fibers, the beaver hair, the prints, the pubic hair found on the blanket?

Did no one tell them about the foreign DNA mixed with the child's blood in her panties?

Did LE actually LIE to them about the head blow coming an hour before she died?  Did their common sense not tell them there would have been a lot of bleeding if she had lived any length of time after he skull was broken like that?

The ransom note written in the house - - and the handwriting not matching either Ramsey - - in fact far from a match for either one.

The weirdness - - would it not be more likely for a rich family staging a kidnapping to ask for a million, to include the daughter's name and NOT spend so much time writing a note to leave WITH a body?

Did no one point out the similarities in the note to other documents and movies?  The author watched movies and read about old crimes like Leopold, Loeb and Bobby Franks.

Did they really think loving and caring parents would not call for help if they saw their daughter in need?

And to answer the question, she was sexually violated by someone who would torture her with a garrote.  Was this a sex crime?  It wasn't an invite to a picnic!

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  GJ Juror spoke out on DNA
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 06:21 PM - Forum: DNA - more technical discussions - No Replies

Ramsey grand juror welcomes new DNA tests, discusses reasons for indicting parents
But juror says DNA didn't play big role in deliberations
By Charlie Brennan

Staff Writer
Posted: 12/16/2016 03:28:33 PM MST

Members of the Boulder County grand jury that investigated the JonBenet Ramsey case leave the Justice Center after the panel was disbanded on Oct. 13,
Members of the Boulder County grand jury that investigated the JonBenet Ramsey case leave the Justice Center after the panel was disbanded on Oct. 13, 1999.(Camera file photo)

A JonBenet Ramsey case grand juror on Friday applauded the news that there is to be a new round of DNA testing in the unsolved investigation, but is unsure that it will necessarily lead to the killer's identity.

Also, exclusively to the Daily Camera, the juror cited key reasons that the grand jury voted to indict John and Patsy Ramsey in their child's Christmas night 1996 murder — indictments never prosecuted by then-Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter, due to his belief there was insufficient evidence to prove a case beyond reasonable doubt.

"I am glad to hear that there will be new DNA testing," said the juror, who offered the comments based on assurance of anonymity.

The Ramsey grand jury heard evidence in the case from September 1998 to October 1999 before it was disbanded.

"I'm also feeling doubtful that it will bring the killer to justice," the juror said. "But I know that other cases are being solved after much time has passed with new technology, so perhaps this can be, too."

The juror had seen the news on Tuesday when it was reported that, following a joint investigation by the Camera and 9NEWS raising concerns about the DNA-based exoneration of the Ramsey family, police and prosecutors are planning to submit certain evidence to the latest generation of DNA testing.

"I was happy to see that it's moving forward," the juror said, "but not that hopeful of a resolution."

Until now, it has never been known to what extent DNA evidence — far less advanced in the late 1990s than it is today — had influenced the jury's decision- making process.

Not very much, according to this juror.

"To me, it seemed like the DNA evidence was just inconclusive. I don't remember it playing a major role in our discussions, because what did it mean?" the juror said. "It didn't seem to include or exclude anyone."

A subsequent round of additional DNA testing on which then-District Attorney Mary Lacy based her July 9, 2008, exoneration letter — which has repeatedly been dismissed as "meaningless" by her successor, Stan Garnett — was not initiated until late in 2007, eight years after the Ramsey grand jury disbanded.

Multiple experts contacted this year through the Camera/9NEWS investigation said Lacy's letter greatly overstated the certainty or clarity of the results reached through that later round of testing. Those experts also said there was no way to state — as Lacy did — that the DNA profile identified by her office as "Unknown Male 1" had to be that of JonBenet's killer.

Reasons for the Ramsey indictment

The grand juror briefly laid out several reasons central to why the grand jury voted to indict John and Patsy Ramsey.

The reasons offered by the juror are:

• "No evidence of an intruder. No footprints in the snow, no physical evidence left behind."

• "The killer was in the house for hours between the blow to the head and the strangling."

• "The location of the body in a hard-to-find room."

• "The ransom note written in the house with weird personal information and never a ransom call."

• The juror, after rattling off those points, then posed a question: "Also, how much evidence is there really that this was a sex crime?"

The grand jury indictments of the Ramseys remained perhaps the best-kept secret of the star-crossed case until January 2013, when it was first reported by the Camera that the jury had voted to indict both parents on charges of child abuse resulting in death.

A reporter's subsequent lawsuit resulted in an October 2013 decision by a judge to unseal those indictments, which not only confirmed the indictments' existence, but also revealed that both parents also had been indicted on a second charge, that of accessory to an unidentified third person in the crime of first-degree murder.
 
Holiday stirs memories

Patsy Ramsey died in 2006, after a 13-year battle with ovarian cancer. Both of JonBenet's parents steadfastly asserted their innocence in the case, and have said that an unknown killer broke into their home while the family was attending a Christmas night party, then waited for the family to return and retire to bed before targeting JonBenet.

JonBenet was found Dec. 26, 1996, in a little-used basement room, having suffered a fractured skull and asphyxiation by a garrote. A strip of duct tape covered her mouth and her wrists were loosely bound.

Patsy Ramsey reported finding a 2-½ page ransom note shortly before dawn that day, demanding the unusual sum of $118,000 for her child's safe return. There was never any attempt to actually collect on that demand prior to JonBenet's body being discovered by her father and a family friend early that afternoon.

The juror confessed to "not doing much at all" for Christmas this season, which marks 20 years since JonBenet was buried in a Marietta, Ga., graveyard with her killer's identity still a mystery.

However, the juror said, the holiday certainly triggers many thoughts about the tragedy.

"Yes, a lot of things can spark a memory of the case, and a lot of them are tied to Christmas," the juror said. "So, I do remember her this time of year. I still feel sad that we weren't able to help JonBenet."

Charlie Brennan: 303-473-1327, brennanc@dailycamera.com or twitter.com/chasbrennan

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