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  Judianne Densen-Gerber (Early BORG)
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-16-2017, 05:04 PM - Forum: Names to remember - Replies (1)

       GERALDO RIVERA: That is the haunting voice of the innocent little child who cries out from her grave for justice. But are we any closer to an arrest in the JonBenet Ramsey case? We will talk with several experts whose analysis of the evidence points in a startling direction. Our ongoing investigation of the Ramsey murder poses the question: Did the mother have anything to do with it? Next GERALDO RIVERA SHOW.

(Excerpt from beauty pageant)

RIVERA: It is painful enough to watch the video of JonBenet Ramsey dancing and posing. It is that much harder to listen to this little beauty queen, hear her voice. It seems almost as if she is still around, vibrant and just as adorable as she was when this video was taken.

It has been, ladies and gentlemen, just over three months since her brutal murder. Who did it and what in the world is taking so long to resolve this terrible mystery?

That's the main question we'll be asking over the course of this hour, but our very specific focus is much more narrow. Here's the question: Could it have been her mother? Could Patsy Ramsey have played some terrible role in taking the life of her precious daughter, or at least in covering up the crime?

Today--two exclusives. First, I'd like you to meet an old friend of mine. This is the forensic psychiatrist Dr. Judianne Densen-Gerber, but we have known each other for decades.

Dr. JUDIANNE DENSEN-GERBER (JD, MD, Forensic Psychiatrist): Forty years.

RIVERA: Imagine. She is here today with never-before-seen video of little JonBenet. That video Dr. Densen-Gerber has carefully studied, scrutinized and analyzed. You know how I cherish your opinion and--and hold it in such high regard. My first question is having st--I--I tell you what. Before I get specific, give me a general overview of what you have discerned.

Dr. DENSEN-GERBER: Well, first I'd like to just comment on what you showed because it's the only patriotic beauty contest--child beauty contest singing that. And when I had reviewed about five hours, Geraldo, of the tapes and she sang "God Bless America," and she said, `land of the free,' I said, `The land of the enslaved children.' And my feeling very strong...

RIVERA: And I--land of the enslaved children. Isn't it true?

Dr. DENSEN-GERBER: And my first reaction is, one, we cry out certainly to catch the person who did--was the perpetrator or who covered up the perpetration. But what about all the other children? I brought you this, which I--first time I've ever seen--from Connecticut which advertises another beauty contest.

RIVERA: Mm-hmm.

Dr. DENSEN-GERBER: And I have been talking--I wrote the child pornography and sexploitation laws for Gayle Kil--Kilde all the way back in 1978...

RIVERA: Mm-hmm.

Dr. DENSEN-GERBER: ...which passed. We didn't put in beauty contests. We didn't even know about them.

RIVERA: Do you think that these contests, per se, are abuse?

Dr. DENSEN-GERBER: Well, like this they are. The first one I studied was one Birch Bayh asked me to study, which was in Naked City, Indiana, and a very ticklish question, literally, because Indiana was the first state to have nudist camps. And these had children under 15 posing, and anybody who could pay $15 could take as many pictures of them as they wanted. And it took us a while to close it down, but we did. This is pretty much the same kind of thing.

RIVERA: Is there any indication, in terms of that tape, that this child was previously the victim of child abuse?

Dr. DENSEN-GERBER: Oh, definitely, and I think you've shown some of them on prior shows, in that you can't look at these tapes and not see that she has bruises. She has a very big bruise during one time in her antec--what we call the antecubital fossa, the same place people shoot heroin. There's another time where one of her eyes when she's being crowned is barely able to be opened. And furthermore, there is even the fact that she--when she is crowned in one contest, she's disoriented and she can't find her way off the stage, and this is not the first contest. So I think that very much she was sort of in a trance or in a mesmerized state when she did this because, really, she was j--a puppet. She wasn't a--her person--her own person.

RIVERA: Was she the puppet of her mother?

Dr. DENSEN-GERBER: Well, for the shows definitely. There is no question that I think there was a symbiotic relationship between the mother and child. This mother had been Miss West Virginia. I believe her sister was also Miss West Virginia and they didn't make Miss America. And certain people have told me that when this baby was just born the mother said, `This is my future Miss America.' So she was fulfilling a long-term dream of the mother to make it.

RIVERA: Is there any indication in your analysis, as you scrutinize, as you investigate, that the mother could have played any role in this?

Dr. DENSEN-GERBER: Well, there is no reason--let me put it the other way--there's no reason to suspect the father any more than the mother.

RIVERA: What is there, if anything, in what you have analyzed in this case that would indicate any culpability or involvement by the mother, Patsy Ramsey?

Dr. DENSEN-GERBER: Well, the first thing is definitely the bruises, the eye that didn't open, the disorientation at the beauty contest. To the best of my knowledge, the father never went with her. I mean, it was the mother who went with her. So it couldn't be the father at least being the physical abuser of the child. In addition, the 30...

RIVERA: That's interesting. I'd not--I'd not thought that one through, but y--of course, that's logical.

Dr. DENSEN-GERBER: ..the 30--the 30 visits to the pediatrician, the mother took her to. What did she go to the pediatrician 30 times in two years for? Looking at the autopsy report, with the chronic and old vaginitis or inflammation, I have to assume that that had to be told sometime to the mother. She must have had a discharge. I mean, she was abused for probably two and a half to three years.

RIVERA: What would have been the motive that night?

Dr. DENSEN-GERBER: There are many possible motives. Either that the child--which has also been said--did not want to go to the January 5th Las Vegas or--and I've asked for the curriculum...

RIVERA: That would be--What's that?--about...

Dr. DENSEN-GERBER: Two weeks.

RIVERA: ...two weeks--just under two weeks later, after the homicide.

Dr. DENSEN-GERBER: It's under two weeks. Or it could easily have been that the child, in school--and I've asked for the curriculum from that first grade--could have been studying good and bad touching and she could have easily said, `I'm not going to do this anymore,' or `I'm going to tell someone.'

There's another thing which I learned from your associate that you had one of her friends on, and this friend said that Patsy loved her daughter very, very much, but she was always concerned that she go to the bathroom, urinate before--and I think this was on your show--before they went anywhere. Well, it's strange--it's--when you talk `went anywhere'--it's a little sick joke--before she went to heaven, I have to say. The fascinating thing in the autopsy that confused me from the very beginning is she had an empty bladder. So she had to be k--killed within five minutes after she went to the potty.

RIVERA: Meaning what?

Dr. DENSEN-GERBER: Meaning that someone took her to the potty. It wasn't a death throes, death agony. So some--now to me, it's the strangest thing in the world for a perpetrator to take a child to the potty right before you kill the child. In addition, whoever killed the child, I feel, did not have much strength because the blows to the head did not fracture anything. It was a contrecoup concussion.

But second of all, if a man becomes enraged and it's a small child or a woman, he'll just put his hands around her and crack the cricoid. This person had to take long, thin strings, put ligatures--put it around the neck and even take a piece of wood to twist it tight enough to kill her.

In addition, the child appears to have been dragged naked downstairs because she has a--bruises all over her back and her thighs. So I would say, I assume, since the father picked the child up immediately upon seeing her dead in the basement, he would have picked her up. And if you could pick her up, you'd put her in a car and you'd throw her in the woods, if you'd done this thing. So it appears to me the person was not strong enough to pick the child up or take it. That doesn't mean it has to be the mother, but it does mean that it could be the mother just as easily as the father.

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  from John Ramsey v CBS
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-14-2017, 02:33 PM - Forum: Head Injury - No Replies

468. Taken alongside Defendants’ concluding segment, wherein they directly accuse
John of completing the actions necessary to cover-up for Burke, the above statements in context
and in combination support the defamatory gist that John engaged in a criminal cover-up,
including strangling JonBenét while she was still alive.
469. In this segment, Defendants conducted a segment with Spitz that culminated with
a reprehensible, staged demonstration intended to plant in the viewers’ minds the powerful and
incriminating image of Burke killing JonBenét: Spitz commands a ten-year-old boy to, in effect,
pretend he is bludgeoning JonBenét to death by using a flashlight to strike a pig skin skull
covered with a blonde wig.
 
470. The main proposition of this flashlight segment is lifted directly from Foreign
Faction.  Spitz also suggested that the flashlight was the murder weapon during his original
review of the case in the 1990s.
Page 76 of 113
 
471. With no direct evidence establishing the murder weapon, Defendants recklessly
state that the murder weapon used to kill JonBenét was the three D-cell Maglite flashlight (the
“Flashlight”) that had been found on the kitchen counter of the Ramsey home. 


 

Their conclusions:
And you can see how it’s broken.  It’s very similar to the type of break that we saw on JonBenét.  Clemente, Exhibit B, p. 39.
 
The impact of the demonstration was a convincing confirmation of the association of the flashlight with the injury in the head. . . . There was, in my view, no doubt that this flashlight or one exactly like it caused that injury.  Spitz, Exhibit B, p. 39.  
 

Later in document:

481. Defendants knowingly and falsely stated that the fracture to JonBenét’s “skull
preserved the appearance, the dimensions of the [Flashlight],” which “fits to perfection.”  
482. The Documentary initially created a misleading and false demonstration with a
flashlight that had Pseudo-Expert Clemente striking a thin wooden board with a flashlight to
allegedly recreate the physical damage to JonBenét’s skull from a blow delivered by the
Flashlight.  The experiment has no scientific validity.  This made-for-TV demonstration was
staged and phony.  In short, Defendants knowingly lied to the viewers by performing a fake
experiment, all with the aim of convincing the viewers that Burke killed his sister with the
flashlight. 
Page 78 of 113
 
483. Defendants then knowingly conducted a second misleading and false
demonstration with a flashlight: only this time a ten-year-old child is instructed to use a
flashlight to strike a purported skull covered by a pigskin and blonde wig. 
484. Defendants knew that their demonstration with the child and a flashlight had no
scientific validity.  
485. Defendants rigged this demonstration in an obvious attempt to recreate the image
in the viewers’ minds of Burke killing JonBenét.  For example, after the boy struck the wigged
skull, the Documentary revealed the damage.  Defendant Clemente falsely proclaimed that the
defect in the skull is “very similar to the type of break that we saw on JonBenét.”  The injury to
JonBenét’s skull was a rectangle with rounded edges, whereas the skull in the Documentary has
a triangular hole. Yet Defendants falsely proclaim, “The demonstration was a convincing
confirmation of the association of the Flashlight with that injury in the head” and there is “no
doubt that this Flashlight or one exactly like it caused that injury.”

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  Spitz info in John v CBS lawsuit
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-14-2017, 02:26 PM - Forum: Burke sues Werner Spitz for $150,000,000.00 - No Replies

a. I believe the family [would not let me in the Ramsey home].  The police had to get permission from them.  They told the police “No dice.  He’s not coming to this house.”  They did not want me in the house.  Maybe, must just be, that I would figure something out that nobody else knows.  Spitz, Exhibit B, p. 32.



Based on what I know - - Spitz was not involved in the Ramsey investigation.  He wanted in and placed a call.  Ramsey lawyers had their own investigators working the case and declined to have Spitz get involved.  Spitz was insulted and angry and his involvement in the CBS show was, IMO, a way to "get back" at the people who didn't jump on his offer.

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  from John Ramsey v CBS lawsuit 10/14/2017
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-14-2017, 02:06 PM - Forum: Handwriting - No Replies

422. The six legitimate handwriting experts who analyzed the original Ransom Note
and original handwriting exemplars of John, Patsy, and Burke long ago rejected the theory that a
member of the Ramsey family wrote the Ransom Note.
423. Each of the six handwriting experts concluded that Burke and John did not write
the Ransom Note, and the consensus of the six experts was that the chances that Patsy wrote it
were “very low.” 
424. As set forth in the Wolf Decision,
During the investigation, the Boulder Police Department and Boulder County District Attorney’s Office consulted at least six handwriting experts . . . All six experts agreed that Mr. Ramsey could be eliminated as the author of the Ransom Note.  None of the six consulted experts identified Mrs. Ramsey as the author of the Ransom Note.  Rather, the experts’ consensus was that she “probably did not” write the Ransom Note.  On a scale of one to five, with five being elimination as the author of the Ransom Note, the experts placed Mrs. Ramsey at a 4.5 or a 4.0.  The experts described the chance of Mrs. Ramsey being the author of the Ransom Note as “very low.”
 
Wolf Decision at 1334; see Exhibit C.

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  Garotte or blow to head first?
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-14-2017, 01:15 PM - Forum: Cord ligature - Garrote - No Replies

from John v CBS lawsuit, this goes to the question of which came first, the blow to the head or death by strangulation.

187. The medical examiner found the cause of JonBenét’s death was asphyxia by
strangulation with the garrote associated with craniocerebral trauma.
188. The medical examiner found physical evidence that conclusively established that
JonBenét was alive at the time she was asphyxiated. 
Page 26 of 113
 
189. There were physical findings on her body that strongly suggested that JonBenét
struggled with her attacker and was conscious at the time she was garroted.
190. JonBenét’s neck had fingernail abrasions and scrapes in the area where the garrote
was embedded in her neck.

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  From John v CBS lawsuit
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-14-2017, 01:12 PM - Forum: DNA - more technical discussions - No Replies

177. The DNA of an unidentified male was found under JonBenét’s fingernails.
178. The DNA found under JonBenét’s nails did not match John, Patsy, or Burke’s
DNA.
179. The DNA of an unidentified male was found in the crotch of JonBenét’s
underwear.
180. The DNA found in JonBenét’s underwear did not match John, Patsy, or Burke’s
DNA.
181. The DNA found in JonBenét’s underwear was likely from saliva.
182. The DNA of an unidentified male was found on the left and right sides of the
waistband of the pajama bottoms worn by JonBenét at the time of her death.
183. The DNA found on JonBenét’s pajama bottoms does not match John, Patsy, or
Burke’s DNA.
184. The DNA found on JonBenét’s pajama bottoms was touch DNA.
185. The saliva DNA found on JonBenét’s underwear was consistent with the touch
DNA found on JonBenét’s pajama bottoms.
186. An unidentified Caucasian pubic or auxiliary hair was found on the blanket
covering JonBenét’s body and did not match hairs of John, Patsy, or Burke.

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  Baseball bats
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-14-2017, 01:07 PM - Forum: odds and ends - Replies (1)

Two bats were found outside the Ramsey house.   Burke readily identified the one in the back of the house near where the kids played baseball.  He did not identify the one on the North side window ledge - though after being questioned about it a few times he seemed confused and said he wasn't sure if he had a second bat.  He said the bats were not stored in the basement but in the garage.

This is from the John v CBS lawsuit.  

173. An unidentified baseball bat was found on the north side of the house containing
fibers consistent with fibers found in the carpet in the basement where JonBenét Ramsey’s body
was found.

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  Evidence found in JonBenet's bed
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-14-2017, 01:00 PM - Forum: odds and ends - Replies (1)

165. The end portion of the wooden handle and the cord used to construct the garrote
were never found in the Ramsey home; i.e., the perpetrator removed these items from the home
after killing JonBenét.
166. The duct tape covering JonBenét’s mouth was never sourced to the Ramsey
home.
167. Fiber evidence suggests that the cord and duct tape were, at one time, in the
second-floor area of the home near JonBenét’s bedroom.  
168. Fibers consistent with those of the cord used to make the slip knots and garrote
were found on JonBenét’s bed.
169. Other items not belonging on the second floor of the Ramsey home were found
there on the day after the murder. 
170. A rope was found inside of a brown paper sack in the guest bedroom on the
second floor.
171. Small pieces of the material of this brown sack were found in JonBenét’s bed and
in the body bag that was used to transport her body.
172. John and Patsy disclaimed ownership and knowledge of that rope.



That is from 10/14/2017 lawsuit filed by John Ramsey against CBS

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  on unlocked windows and open doors
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-14-2017, 12:58 PM - Forum: December 26th - No Replies

From John v CBS lawsuit filed October 14, 2017

155. The Ramsey home was not secure on the night of December 25, 1996.  They had
not turned their security alarm on, and at least seven windows and one door were found unlocked
on the morning of December 26, 1996.  A door from the kitchen to the outside was found open.

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  I disagree with the experts on one point
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-14-2017, 12:49 PM - Forum: Autopsy - No Replies

According to Lin Wood in the John Ramsey v CBS lawsuit:

140. The pathologist performing the autopsy on JonBenét’s body discovered that she
was sexually assaulted by being vaginally penetrated, including penetration with the broken
wooden handle of the garrote.
141. Defendant Spitz concurred during his examination in the 1990s that JonBenét was
penetrated with the broken wooden handle of the garrote.

MY COMMENTS
I disagree with the experts.  I agree there was a sexual assault and I accept their finding that a shard of the paintbrush was found in the vagina.  I disagree with how it got there.

I see no evidence proving JonBenet's long johns and panties were pulled down to her ankles or removed in order to give the killer a clear and unhampered access to her vaginal area.  I think they were pushed down slightly when her abuser put his hand in her clothing to assault her - I don't think part of his "need" was to see her genitals or watch this assault.  I think he was looking at her face and I think when he has assaulted others he had the same needs and methods.

I could be wrong, but that is what the evidence tells me.  The evidence I am referring to is the urine stain and blood drops that were found in her panties.  I believe I am right on that.    When he pulled the long johns and panties back up, there was not far to go and the urine and blood was not disturbed by that movement.

The birefringment material found in the vagina came from the paintbrush and I believe that tiny sliver broke away from the paintbrush when the killer snapped the center part of the paintbrush away from the rest.  The shard stuck to the killer's hands and was transferred to the vagina during a digital assault.  

I believe she was alive and alert during that assault and that was when she let out that horrible scream heard by the neighbor, Melody Stanton.  She would have been struggling at that time and if he tried to assault her with a broken piece of wood, I feel sure there would have been scratches on her external genitals which... never appeared.

So I disagree with the experts in this area and would document that here.

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