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  April 2000
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-19-2020, 04:20 PM - Forum: Handwriting - No Replies

From April of 2000, 4 months before the Atlanta Interviews...

RIVERA: So is it fair to say that, as of tonight, as we sit here tonight, you do not have convincing evidence of an intruder to the Ramsey home?

Mr. HUNTER: We have some evidence of intruder. We have not closed our mind to it. But I--I'm not
going to say that all we have is looking in the house. I'm not going to say that that's all we have or
all that we are concerned with, because there's--the case is more complicated than that.

RIVERA: The ransom note--clearly, it's a fake. When you say that Patsy Ramsey has not been
excluded as the author of the note, are you saying, because it's parallel to your previous statement
that they're not excluded as possible suspects in the case--are you saying that it is one of your
suspicions that Patsy Ramsey wrote the note or Patsy Ramsey is a suspect in the authoring of the

Mr. HUNTER: Well, you know, I--I think, in fairness to this investigation, the handwriting people that
we have retained in this case and that have been retained by the Ramseys, I--it--it is a very low
probability, according to these experts. Now these handwriting--you know, in the--in the Oklahoma
City bombing case, Matsch didn't let--let that stuff in. There's a lot of mumbo-jumbo to it. I don't
think it's particularly reliable. So I don't think it's fair to say that, you know, what these experts say,
sug--they just don't exclude her.

RIVERA: She's not...
Mr. HUNTER: They don't exclude her, but it's very low. And, frankly, if we get this to trial, which I
hope, I would prefer to give that note to the jury and give that jury historical writings that--that
might pertain to a particular individual and have them using their common sense, because these
handwriting people have come up with such a scale and standards that it's really hard to...

RIVERA: It's a--it's--it's not quite a science yet.

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  images of autopsy report 9 pages
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-19-2020, 03:08 PM - Forum: Autopsy - Replies (2)


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  Suitcase under broken window
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-18-2020, 03:30 PM - Forum: Suitcase - Replies (2)



When Lou Smit went public with the evidence of an intruder the Rocky Mountain News published a very good article outlining the evidence - - and the BORG BPD's answer to that same evidence.  Let the reader see what they think.

(The newspaper article is no longer available - - a horrible loss for students of the case.  But I will do what I can to keep the information available for some.

Smit's argument: A hard-sided suitcase was discovered below the open window. The killer, figuring
it was safe to go out the way he came in, may have used it to boost himself up.
Ease of exit: Smit has gone in and out of the window with and without using a suitcase. "With a
suitcase, it's a lot easier."
Out of place: John Ramsey said the suitcase was not in that area of the basement before, suggesting
that someone moved it there. In addition, if the suitcase had been under the window for a long time,
dust and debris would have collected on it. But little was there.
Glass shard: A pea-size piece of glass was found on top of the suitcase, within what might be a
partial footprint. Smit surmises the glass may have come off the intruder's shoe as he stepped on the
suitcase to get out.
Response: Police have said privately that what looks like a footprint on the suitcase isn't a footprint.


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  Open butler door seen by Fernie
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-18-2020, 02:54 PM - Forum: odds and ends - No Replies

"Fernie and the open door"
John Fernie went to the Ramsey house early on the 26th.
He parked in the rear, went to the door on the south side. That door was locked. He saw the note on the floor through the window in the door.
He went to the front of the house and was let in.
Like Fleet, Fernie walked through the house - - and at that time - - very early - - he found the door to the butler's kitchen open. He did report it and it was photographed.

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  Foster found it in a bible
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-12-2020, 01:36 PM - Forum: SBTC - No Replies


Donald Foster found SBTC in the bible - kind of.  The first letters of the first four lines in Psalm 35 were C,T,B and S.  That's SBTC and, according to BORG, evidence that Patsy killed her daughter.

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  posted on Boulder forum FB and reddit
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-07-2020, 12:20 PM - Forum: Prior sexual abuse - No Replies

While there was NO evidence of any prior sexual molestation, the BORG is quick to point out that light petting, oral sex and other sex acts don't result in physical damage to the victim. Just FYI, no one near her saw any emotional evidence of such problems either. From family to friends to teachers and her doctor, no one said they had been concerned about that.
At the time of her death, the evidence tells a story. The killer broke a paintbrush to make a handle for his garrote. A very small sliver of paintbrush stuck to the killer's finger and was carried to her genital area. There were no scratches or sores on her that would support a claim that the paintbrush had been used. There was nothing found on the paintbrush that indicated it had been used to hurt her.
There were a few drops of blood that fell into her panties during the assault - - and a man's DNA was found co-mingled with her blood in the drops of blood. The same DNA was NOT located on the fabric between the drops of blood.
There is NO innocent explanation for the DNA found in her panties. A profile was identified - GSLDPD99178617 - and that was entered into CODIS. That profile was used to clear more than a dozen suspects including Fleet White and John Fernie, Gary Oliva and Rick Gardiner, Michael Helgoth and JonBenet's father and brothers.
Someone has gotten away with this murder - - and he had contact with other people... family, friends, co-workers. Someone must have a suspicion. Maybe they convinced themselves it really WAS a family matter and not an intruder. But the fact is the case is still open and the killer has not been exposed. If someone has a suspicion, if someone knows something, PLEASE come forward.

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Brick Dr. Carole Jenny
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-31-2020, 05:45 PM - Forum: Prior sexual abuse - No Replies

From March 1997 People magazine

Dr. Carole Jenny of Brown University, a leading expert on pediatric forensics who reviewed the edited version for PEOPLE, said she saw no indication of long-term abuse but had no doubt that JonBenét had been sexually assaulted just prior to the murder. “This poor, poor baby,” says Jenny. “She was clearly battered and tortured…. It’s awful.”

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  From documentary
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-27-2020, 06:53 PM - Forum: Stun Gun - Replies (1)

MIKE DOBERSEN - My experiments, and the observations that we made and all the work that's been done, I feel that I can testify to a reasonably degree of medical certainty that these are stun gun injuries.

LOU - If a stun gun is used, it is an incredible clue left behind by the killer.  It's not often that he leaves a good clue like this, but just to disregard it, would be incredibly foolish.  Because if a stun gun is used on JonBenét, it points directly at an intruder. It does not point at a parent.


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  BPD's Dream Team
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-05-2020, 05:53 PM - Forum: odds and ends - No Replies

Civil Action No. 97CV1732

Quote:We, Daniel S. Hoffman, Robert N. Miller and Richard N. Baer, have been engaged by the City of Boulder to give the Boulder Police Department legal advice on matters relating to their investigation into the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. Without waiving any privilege, we state as follows:
1 . We have become familiar with the facts, evidence, and information that have been collected during the pendency of the investigation. We are also familiar with the status of the investigation.
2. It is our belief that this investigation has not progressed to the point where the investigation should be referred or submitted to the District Attorney for the filing of charges, and, the investigation has not been so referred or submitted. Therefore, the District Attorney has not refused to prosecute any person for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey since no request has been made by the Boulder Police Department to do so. In addition, the District Attorney has not made any representations to the Boulder Police Department as to what his decision might be if this investigation is submitted to him for his review.
3. We do hereby swear and affirm that the foregoing is true and accurate, and that we are personally familiar with the subject matter discussed in this affidavit.


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  Teabag question - photo #108
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-05-2020, 01:58 PM - Forum: Fleet and Priscilla White - No Replies

Photo is described in detail in evidence lists that have been sent to me.  I am looking for something special and so reviewing the descriptions and just want to document what I found for BPD photo #108.

The photo shows John Bennett Ramsey in the sun room talking to Detective Mason.  The same  photo has Priscilla in the living room and she is holding what is described as a "mug of coffee".  I don't know why the person assumed the mug contained coffee as I was told Priscilla liked to drink hot tea.      

To make hot tea, a tea bag is put in a cup or mug, boiling water is added and the tea "steeps".  Once it is strong enough for the person making it, the tea bag is removed and disposed of.  

A glass on the table in the "breakfast room" contained no liquid but DOES contain a tea bag.  One theory is that someone (possibly Priscilla) had been making tea and discarded the tea bag into the empty glass she found on the table.  I subscribe to this theory and wonder if Priscilla was asked if she did that.

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