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  the prayer - Rutherford
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-12-2018, 08:42 AM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - No Replies

someone named Rutherford (I think) wrote about her "red flag" and I want to comment on that.

She wrote:

The Red flag to me was the prayer that Patsy Ramsey said she said over JonBenet as she tucked her in bed on December 25th. (She said this in I believe a CBS interview part one. I am unable to find it on the net, but a clip of it was shown on the A&E show titled, The killing of JonBenet: The truth uncovered. It is about the 11th minute of the show). The prayer, now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the Lord my soul to keep...etc. Whether she said it out loud or in her head it just didn't happen. JonBenet was asleep and so Patsy all alone in the dark said basically a nursery rhyme to God. I am a Christian and so are the Ramseys. God knows who you are when you are alone and you cant be fake with God. It was 9 or 10 at night, getting up at 530, any prayer said in that situation is thankfulness or a problem you need to talk about or numerous other things. OR, not at all, just get the kids in bed. Then to further compound the unlikeliness of that prayer is the fact that she used it as a point of irony in a T.V. interview.

I want to say I was really surprised to see this being a red flag for anyone.  I can picture Patsy saying it out loud as she pulled the covers up - it would not be out of character at all.  Patsy wasn't praying to God because she was under stress or worried about anything - it wasn't a serious PRAYER prayer - it was more of their regular routine being followed even though JonBenet was not saying it with her.

Your last sentence makes no sense - when she said that little prayer over her sleeping child, she had no idea she was going to lose her daughter and talk about that night in some interview.  There is no irony there compounding the unlikeliness of anything.

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  Christopher Enoch Abeyta
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-11-2018, 02:57 PM - Forum: Colorado crimes - No Replies

Christopher Enoch Abeyta
Case Type: MISSING
Case Status: OPEN
Aliases: None
Incident Date: 07/15/1986
Agency: Colorado Springs Police Department
Age: 1
Gender: MALE
Race: Caucasian
Eyes: Blue
Hair: Blond/Strawberry
Height: 2' 2"
Weight: 22 lbs

About this case
On July 15, 1986, seven month old Christopher was taken from his parents' bedroom in the middle of the night. The investigation found the home garage door opener was missing and their basement window was open. Foul play is suspected.

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  SuperDave Quotes
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-10-2018, 07:39 AM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - No Replies

"I'm loathe to speak ill of the dead, but someone has to set the record straight: Ollie Gray did not "investigate" this case in any meaningful way. "

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  Found on Facebook
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-30-2018, 06:31 PM - Forum: Found on other forums - No Replies

[/url]This guy seems pretty smart - and may not last long on the Facebook forums that don't seem to care if lies stand unchallenged.
[url=https://www.facebook.com/tom.gavin.988?fref=gs&dti=1731600583761248&hc_location=group]


Tom Gavin
New Member · July 25 at 11:13 PM


Bob Russell, Former District Attorney in Colorado Springs:
"The evidence was too strong that the Ramseys didn't do this. And so, to see that anybody's trying to really get the Ramsey's indicted, when I had already seen the evidence that showed he Ramseys most certainly didn't do it, it really bothered me...even though I've been a Prosecutor all my life."
After Lou Smit was allowed to keep his evidence, that pointed to an Intruder (The Boulder Special Prosecutoe Michael Kane sought an injunction against Lou Smit and his evidence) the Grand Jury still heard evidence dominated by the Police view of Ramsey guilt.
Former Public Defender Greg Walta in 1998:
"I think the case is in deep trouble. And I think it's in deep trouble because the Boulder Police Dept. has really staked its reputation on the Ramseys being guilty. and once that's happened, that Police Dept. can no longer perform its' chief function. And I think the Boulder PD is virtually incapable of solving this case."
And he was right. Here we are 20 yrs later. Case has been unsolved and virtually frozen. And 20 yrs later, Walta states that JonBenet's killer is one of the "scariest people on earth." Totally convinced of Ramsey innocence.
As is one of the first Detectives on the scene, Robert Whitson. He also believes the family is innocent. He WAS IN THE HOUSE with the family the morning of the 26th.
"I was not part of the ongoing investigation, but Detectives that were working the case told me the Ramseys were the ONLY prime suspects." Imagine that[Image: 1f644.png]?
He is now a Criminologist and says he understands now why the Boulder PD focused on the Ramsey's....which they most certainly did, despite what misinformation you hear on these boards. "The Boulder PD formed a Groupthink mentality. Everybody has to think the same thing and anybody who disagrees with that primary hypothesis is excluded from the group."
But what happened in Boulder happens in many cases. A rush to judgment...to blame the parents. There is leaking of information, a public sentiment that the parents must have had something to do with it.
John Ramsey says it best: "We absolutely felt we were the victim of a lynch mob, led by the Boulder Police and supported by the media." (and further strengthened by an often harsh and judgmental public).

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  responding to thetalko.com article
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-30-2018, 04:33 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (16)

16 Things The Ramsey's Don't Want You To Know About JonBenet's Murder

In this article, we’ll take you to the fifteen eeriest things the Ramsey’s don’t want you to know about this age old homicide.

The murder of six-year-old blonde beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey has been the fixation of macabre fascination since the case broke in 1996. You can’t write stuff like this, the day after Christmas in a mansion in Boulder, Colorado there lay little JonBenet Ramsey bludgeoned and strangled under a white sheet in her basement. The case was a media frenzy from the day it broke, however, nearly 21 years later the case remains cold with no signs of heating up. The police had several suspects over the years, including a creepy Santa Clause and a teacher named John Mark Carr who confessed he was there when JonBenet died. However salacious these claims may be, the police never found evidence that could link any suspects definitively to the little girl’s untimely death. However, John, Patsy and Burke Ramsey remained under a cloud of suspicion for the alleged involvement in their daughter and sister’s murder. In this article, we’ll take you to the fifteen eeriest things the Ramsey’s don’t want you to know about this age old homicide.


####################  My comments

I will forgive the author not taking the time to correctly print "JonBenét", but she should have been able to correctly spell Santa Claus and John Mark KARR.

I am going to respond to each point  - one at a time.  Eerie?  Not sure that is a proper description of the "things" - - but the Ramseys have never tried to hide any facts related to this murder.  They always hoped for the facts to be known in order to SOLVE this mystery.

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  Court dates
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-23-2018, 02:18 PM - Forum: John Ramsey sues CBS - No Replies

Ramsey, John v CBS Corporation , et al.

Register of Actions

Case No. 17-013731-CZ

02/04/2019
Case Evaluation - General Civil

03/20/2019
Settlement Conference (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Groner, David A.)


08/02/2018
Reset by Court to 03/20/2019

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  a short interview with Forman and Clemente
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-11-2018, 02:31 PM - Forum: Burke sues CBS for 750 million - Replies (2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6rkPoCHgl4

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  the chosen few
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-06-2018, 06:23 PM - Forum: To view the full forum - No Replies

Many registered and never posted.  Many registered and seldom signed in.  I deleted almost everyone and don't mind that the site is used mostly for fact-checking on those threads that are still public.

Seems those posters remaining prefer the drama found on facebook.  I am not there and find I don't miss the daily opportunity to hit my head on the BORGbrick walls found there.

Life takes funny turns.  I had to be away from the daily Ramsey feud in order to take care of elderly relatives.  I no longer have that responsibility and so find I have time to go back to the Ramsey case, to the Webbsleuths forum where the facts matter and drama does not.  I hope to be here more, to have more time to push LE to solve this.

To the few who read here and care about justice, I hope to see you post more.   It's been a long time and hopefully some with abilities beyond my own will join forces with us to move the case forward.

jameson

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Heart Saturday June 30 Daily Camera
Posted by: jameson245 - 06-30-2018, 04:10 PM - Forum: June 2018 news - DNA tests - Replies (2)

NEW ROUND OF DNA TESTS COMPLETED



A renewed wave of DNA testing in the JonBenet Ramsey case has been completed and although investigators are not talking about what was learned, further forensic examination of evidence in the case could still be on tap.
Newly elected Boulder County District Attorney Michael Dougherty, in his first extensive comments about the infamous unsolved 1996 Boulder homicide, was candid about the fact that, having been appointed to the office this spring after the mid-term resignation of his predecessor, he has not yet been fully briefed on the case.
"Since taking office on March first I have had nearly zero contact with the Ramsey case. It's in the possession of, and under investigation by, the Boulder Police Department," he said, adding that "Not a day goes by that I don't get a call, email or inquiry about Ramsey. All of those I respond to, but all those are then directed to the Boulder Police Department."

He does, however, anticipate a full briefing at a future date. Daugherty won a primary battle Tuesday as the Democratic candidate to complete the third term of Stan Garnett, who resigned earlier this year to return to private practice at the Denver firm where he had worked before taking office in January 2009. Because Daugherty faces no Republican opponent this fall, he will be the county's top prosecutor at least through 2020.


A joint investigation by the Daily Camera and 9News, published in October 2016, revealed for the first time that, according to several independent experts contacted by the news organizations, DNA evidence that had been cited by then-District Attorney Mary Lacy as a basis to issue an exoneration of Ramsey family members in July 2008 did not, in their opinions, support her actions.

Those experts, who examined the data on which Lacy based her controversial decision, disputed her assertion that the DNA found in one location on JonBenet's underwear and two spots on her long johns were necessarily that of the child's killer. In fact, they said it indicated the genetic presence of two people in addition to the girl, something that documents showed Lacy was told at the time, but did not mention in her exoneration of the Ramseys.

Additionally those experts theorized that the original DNA sample recovered from JonBenet's underwear, which was entered into the FBI's Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) in December 2013 and has been used since then for comparison with other suspect DNA in the case, might actually be a composite, rather than that of a single individual.

In the wake of the Daily Camera/9News investigation, Boulder Police Chief Greg Testa and Garnett both announced — separately but on the same day — that their offices would pursue new DNA testing in the star-crossed homicide probe.
Dougherty's remarks are the first time a Boulder official has discussed that renewed round of tests. Although plans for that testing were announced in December 2016, the evidence to be examined was not forwarded to the CBI until mid-2017, he disclosed.
"CBI (the Colorado Bureau of Investigation) conducted testing using contemporary DNA analysis and methods," Dougherty said. "I do not know what specific items were tested and Chief Testa is not going to comment on it. I personally don't actually know, but I do know that items, plural, were submitted to CBI for analysis."
He did say, however, concerning the DNA sample entered into CODIS in 2003, "The quality of the sample met the standards for entry into the CODIS database."

Testa also confirmed completion of the most recent tests.
"I will just say I was pleased with the work CBI completed for us," Testa said. "As you know, this is a challenging case. We continue to work with the CBI and the DA's office, as we review the case and evidence in the case. I think that's all I will say, and can say, about the case."

[b]Testing, and re-testing[/b]

Sending the evidence to the CBI, while standard practice for a Colorado law enforcement agency, marks a departure from the way Ramsey forensic material was handled during Lacy's tenure. The tests pursued on her watch in late 2007 and early 2008 were conducted instead by the Virginia-based Bode Cellmark Forensics, as the private lab is now known.
Dougherty expressed faith in the abilities of the CBI to continue any needed future DNA work in the Ramsey investigation -— and indicated that there could well be more to come.
"The testing of the items that were submitted was completed, and the Boulder PD and CBI are continuing to evaluate those results, but also additional items that might be appropriate for testing," he said.
Experts consulted by the Camera and 9News stated in 2016 that the capabilities of DNA examiners to find genetic fingerprints on evidence continue to expand at an almost dizzying rate, and that retesting of evidence using the latest forensic tools available is always something that should be considered.
Dougherty said the same.
"I just had a conversation with the director of the CBI forensic lab the other day, in which she was encouraging me, in all cold-case homicides, to have police re-submit evidence for testing because their technology continues to develop at such a pace that it makes it worthwhile to go back and test — even, evidence (previously tested) just a few years ago," he said.
JonBenet, 6, killed by asphyxiation and a fractured skull, was found by her father, John Ramsey, in the basement of the family's University Hill residence in Boulder the afternoon of Dec. 26, 1996. Her father's discovery of her body came just hours after her mother, Patsy Ramsey, had dialed 911, reporting having found a ransom note demanding $118,000 for the girl's safe return.
Although no one has ever been charged with the crime, the Camera revealed in 2013 that a Boulder County grand jury investigation resulted in October 1999 in the indictments of John and Patsy Ramsey for child abuse resulting in death and accessory to the crime of first-degree murder. However, then-Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter — who never publicly announced those indictments — declined to prosecute the couple, based on his belief that he did not have adequate evidence to secure convictions.
The Ramseys steadfastly denied any involvement in their youngest child's death, and Patsy Ramsey died after a long battle with cancer in June 2006.
[b]Ramsey seen as active investigation[/b]
During his tenure, Garnett on more than one occasion voiced his doubt that DNA alone would be the key to unlocking the Ramsey mystery, which appears destined to mark 22 years of frustration for local law enforcement this Christmas.
Dougherty, who was supported by Garnett in his election bid, echoed that sentiment following his election.
"From my own experience, there is no case that is just a DNA case," Dougherty said. "You could have a sexual assault or a murder and develop a full profile, but that full profile does not necessarily mean that the person who has that DNA was the perpetrator of the crime.
"Obviously, additional investigation, corroboration, statements, witnesses and so on are required to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt. It's never just the DNA."
Not along after his initial appointment to the top prosecutor's post earlier this year, Dougherty announced the formation of a cold case unit within his office. It's his intention that the unit will be utilized to partner with local law enforcement in cases where prosectors' resources could make a difference in seeking resolutions to unsolved murders and missing person cases.
Thirty-four potential cases have so far been considered, he said. To date, two of those have been identified to be pursued by his new unit. The Ramsey case is not one of them. He said that is because it is still considered under active investigation by Boulder detectives and therefore is not dormant.
"That investigation has been active, consistently, with many, many, many hours of personnel time by the Boulder Police Department in its investigation since it occurred in 1996," said Catherine Olguin, spokesperson for Dougherty's office.
"I don't believe that case ever sat dormant with the Boulder Police Department. They have always had a detective, or two, assigned to it. They've always followed up leads. They've always continually looked back and reviewed the evidence in that case, to see what more could be done."


Charlie Brennan
Senior Reporter, Boulder Daily Camera

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  Dr. Oz - Nancy Grace - Judith Phillips and Doc Miller February 2018
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-20-2018, 12:20 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - Replies (3)

Dr. OZ had Nancy Grace on his show.  There is no transcript available and I don't think I will bother taking the time.

Graceless Wonder started out debunking the Intruder theory with a bunch of misinformation and lies - - mixed with a bit of truth, that is dangerous stuff.

She said John Mark Karr was clearly in Atlanta at the time of the murder.  There was a photo of him proving just that.  Fact is, there was no photo of him there  - - just a rumor of one.  He was cleared by the same DNA that clears the family - - but don't expect HER to say that on national television.

She indicated the size of the basement window - - like the size of her face - - and said "Santa" couldn't have climbed in there - - like no one could.  But those who know the facts of the case know the window was climbed through by Lou Smit and many others - - including myself.  She misrepresented the evidence here when she could simply have said be was cleared by the DNA as well.

Grace went on to clear Gary Oliva - also cleared by the DNA - - but in doing so she said there was no stun gun.  She was told that by a police officeer - - and that hardly stands up next to the official reports from the foremost expert in stun gun injuries, Dr. Doberson.  HE has said on camera that he would testify in court that the injuries "to a medical certainty" were caused by a stun gun.

The Christmas photo of the Ramsey family had Patsy in the front with JonBenet on her lap with Burke and John toward the rear.  According to Nancy, that puts Patsy in the middle as if that is some kind of evidence of guilt.

Following the break we had Judith Phillips who doesn't quite accuse Patsy but makes clear Burke is innocent and John is as well.... but not Patsy.  We heard about the "no footprints in the snow" and Dr. OZ evidently doesn't understand that the walkways were clear and the cops and friends who were there that morning ALSO left no prints. 

Doc Miller - - who I think is a real jerk and hardly a respected hand writing expert - admits he couldn't do the best job without seeing the actual ransom note - - but Patsy probably wrote it anyway.  I believe he would be torn up in any court of law if he tried to testify to those ends.  Oh yeah, he WAS one of the "experts" discareed during the Chris Wolf lawsuit.

Takes a lot of bollicks to go on TV now..... I have to take that back.  Patsy can't sue and he was in the company of Nancy and Judith who - - I believe all three will be in that special hole in Hell for people who would deny a murdered child her due truth and justice.

QUESTION OF THE DAY:  Why don't any of these talk shows do fact check and (just a thought) drug tests on guests before pretending they have credibility?  Not saying I have seen any one of these people doing drugs - - never met any of them in person - - but it is my right to say I have some dark suspicion about .... yeah. 

And Nancy Grace  - - her children will reach their teens and  - - I want them to know their mother is NOT about the truth in this case.  She is narrow minded and just mean.  May Karma take notice and let her children see who she is.  She deserves nothing less.

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