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  Found on Facebook
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-30-2018, 06:31 PM - Forum: Found on other forums - No Replies

[/url]This guy seems pretty smart - and may not last long on the Facebook forums that don't seem to care if lies stand unchallenged.
[url=https://www.facebook.com/tom.gavin.988?fref=gs&dti=1731600583761248&hc_location=group]


Tom Gavin
New Member · July 25 at 11:13 PM


Bob Russell, Former District Attorney in Colorado Springs:
"The evidence was too strong that the Ramseys didn't do this. And so, to see that anybody's trying to really get the Ramsey's indicted, when I had already seen the evidence that showed he Ramseys most certainly didn't do it, it really bothered me...even though I've been a Prosecutor all my life."
After Lou Smit was allowed to keep his evidence, that pointed to an Intruder (The Boulder Special Prosecutoe Michael Kane sought an injunction against Lou Smit and his evidence) the Grand Jury still heard evidence dominated by the Police view of Ramsey guilt.
Former Public Defender Greg Walta in 1998:
"I think the case is in deep trouble. And I think it's in deep trouble because the Boulder Police Dept. has really staked its reputation on the Ramseys being guilty. and once that's happened, that Police Dept. can no longer perform its' chief function. And I think the Boulder PD is virtually incapable of solving this case."
And he was right. Here we are 20 yrs later. Case has been unsolved and virtually frozen. And 20 yrs later, Walta states that JonBenet's killer is one of the "scariest people on earth." Totally convinced of Ramsey innocence.
As is one of the first Detectives on the scene, Robert Whitson. He also believes the family is innocent. He WAS IN THE HOUSE with the family the morning of the 26th.
"I was not part of the ongoing investigation, but Detectives that were working the case told me the Ramseys were the ONLY prime suspects." Imagine that[Image: 1f644.png]?
He is now a Criminologist and says he understands now why the Boulder PD focused on the Ramsey's....which they most certainly did, despite what misinformation you hear on these boards. "The Boulder PD formed a Groupthink mentality. Everybody has to think the same thing and anybody who disagrees with that primary hypothesis is excluded from the group."
But what happened in Boulder happens in many cases. A rush to judgment...to blame the parents. There is leaking of information, a public sentiment that the parents must have had something to do with it.
John Ramsey says it best: "We absolutely felt we were the victim of a lynch mob, led by the Boulder Police and supported by the media." (and further strengthened by an often harsh and judgmental public).

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  responding to thetalko.com article
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-30-2018, 04:33 PM - Forum: Answering BORG questions - Replies (16)

16 Things The Ramsey's Don't Want You To Know About JonBenet's Murder

In this article, we’ll take you to the fifteen eeriest things the Ramsey’s don’t want you to know about this age old homicide.

The murder of six-year-old blonde beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey has been the fixation of macabre fascination since the case broke in 1996. You can’t write stuff like this, the day after Christmas in a mansion in Boulder, Colorado there lay little JonBenet Ramsey bludgeoned and strangled under a white sheet in her basement. The case was a media frenzy from the day it broke, however, nearly 21 years later the case remains cold with no signs of heating up. The police had several suspects over the years, including a creepy Santa Clause and a teacher named John Mark Carr who confessed he was there when JonBenet died. However salacious these claims may be, the police never found evidence that could link any suspects definitively to the little girl’s untimely death. However, John, Patsy and Burke Ramsey remained under a cloud of suspicion for the alleged involvement in their daughter and sister’s murder. In this article, we’ll take you to the fifteen eeriest things the Ramsey’s don’t want you to know about this age old homicide.


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I will forgive the author not taking the time to correctly print "JonBenét", but she should have been able to correctly spell Santa Claus and John Mark KARR.

I am going to respond to each point  - one at a time.  Eerie?  Not sure that is a proper description of the "things" - - but the Ramseys have never tried to hide any facts related to this murder.  They always hoped for the facts to be known in order to SOLVE this mystery.

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  Court dates
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-23-2018, 02:18 PM - Forum: John Ramsey sues CBS - No Replies

Ramsey, John v CBS Corporation , et al.

Register of Actions

Case No. 17-013731-CZ

02/04/2019
Case Evaluation - General Civil

03/20/2019
Settlement Conference (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Groner, David A.)


08/02/2018
Reset by Court to 03/20/2019

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  a short interview with Forman and Clemente
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-11-2018, 02:31 PM - Forum: Burke sues CBS for 750 million - Replies (2)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6rkPoCHgl4

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  the chosen few
Posted by: jameson245 - 07-06-2018, 06:23 PM - Forum: To view the full forum - No Replies

Many registered and never posted.  Many registered and seldom signed in.  I deleted almost everyone and don't mind that the site is used mostly for fact-checking on those threads that are still public.

Seems those posters remaining prefer the drama found on facebook.  I am not there and find I don't miss the daily opportunity to hit my head on the BORGbrick walls found there.

Life takes funny turns.  I had to be away from the daily Ramsey feud in order to take care of elderly relatives.  I no longer have that responsibility and so find I have time to go back to the Ramsey case, to the Webbsleuths forum where the facts matter and drama does not.  I hope to be here more, to have more time to push LE to solve this.

To the few who read here and care about justice, I hope to see you post more.   It's been a long time and hopefully some with abilities beyond my own will join forces with us to move the case forward.

jameson

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Heart Saturday June 30 Daily Camera
Posted by: jameson245 - 06-30-2018, 04:10 PM - Forum: June 2018 news - DNA tests - Replies (2)

NEW ROUND OF DNA TESTS COMPLETED



A renewed wave of DNA testing in the JonBenet Ramsey case has been completed and although investigators are not talking about what was learned, further forensic examination of evidence in the case could still be on tap.
Newly elected Boulder County District Attorney Michael Dougherty, in his first extensive comments about the infamous unsolved 1996 Boulder homicide, was candid about the fact that, having been appointed to the office this spring after the mid-term resignation of his predecessor, he has not yet been fully briefed on the case.
"Since taking office on March first I have had nearly zero contact with the Ramsey case. It's in the possession of, and under investigation by, the Boulder Police Department," he said, adding that "Not a day goes by that I don't get a call, email or inquiry about Ramsey. All of those I respond to, but all those are then directed to the Boulder Police Department."

He does, however, anticipate a full briefing at a future date. Daugherty won a primary battle Tuesday as the Democratic candidate to complete the third term of Stan Garnett, who resigned earlier this year to return to private practice at the Denver firm where he had worked before taking office in January 2009. Because Daugherty faces no Republican opponent this fall, he will be the county's top prosecutor at least through 2020.


A joint investigation by the Daily Camera and 9News, published in October 2016, revealed for the first time that, according to several independent experts contacted by the news organizations, DNA evidence that had been cited by then-District Attorney Mary Lacy as a basis to issue an exoneration of Ramsey family members in July 2008 did not, in their opinions, support her actions.

Those experts, who examined the data on which Lacy based her controversial decision, disputed her assertion that the DNA found in one location on JonBenet's underwear and two spots on her long johns were necessarily that of the child's killer. In fact, they said it indicated the genetic presence of two people in addition to the girl, something that documents showed Lacy was told at the time, but did not mention in her exoneration of the Ramseys.

Additionally those experts theorized that the original DNA sample recovered from JonBenet's underwear, which was entered into the FBI's Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) in December 2013 and has been used since then for comparison with other suspect DNA in the case, might actually be a composite, rather than that of a single individual.

In the wake of the Daily Camera/9News investigation, Boulder Police Chief Greg Testa and Garnett both announced — separately but on the same day — that their offices would pursue new DNA testing in the star-crossed homicide probe.
Dougherty's remarks are the first time a Boulder official has discussed that renewed round of tests. Although plans for that testing were announced in December 2016, the evidence to be examined was not forwarded to the CBI until mid-2017, he disclosed.
"CBI (the Colorado Bureau of Investigation) conducted testing using contemporary DNA analysis and methods," Dougherty said. "I do not know what specific items were tested and Chief Testa is not going to comment on it. I personally don't actually know, but I do know that items, plural, were submitted to CBI for analysis."
He did say, however, concerning the DNA sample entered into CODIS in 2003, "The quality of the sample met the standards for entry into the CODIS database."

Testa also confirmed completion of the most recent tests.
"I will just say I was pleased with the work CBI completed for us," Testa said. "As you know, this is a challenging case. We continue to work with the CBI and the DA's office, as we review the case and evidence in the case. I think that's all I will say, and can say, about the case."

[b]Testing, and re-testing[/b]

Sending the evidence to the CBI, while standard practice for a Colorado law enforcement agency, marks a departure from the way Ramsey forensic material was handled during Lacy's tenure. The tests pursued on her watch in late 2007 and early 2008 were conducted instead by the Virginia-based Bode Cellmark Forensics, as the private lab is now known.
Dougherty expressed faith in the abilities of the CBI to continue any needed future DNA work in the Ramsey investigation -— and indicated that there could well be more to come.
"The testing of the items that were submitted was completed, and the Boulder PD and CBI are continuing to evaluate those results, but also additional items that might be appropriate for testing," he said.
Experts consulted by the Camera and 9News stated in 2016 that the capabilities of DNA examiners to find genetic fingerprints on evidence continue to expand at an almost dizzying rate, and that retesting of evidence using the latest forensic tools available is always something that should be considered.
Dougherty said the same.
"I just had a conversation with the director of the CBI forensic lab the other day, in which she was encouraging me, in all cold-case homicides, to have police re-submit evidence for testing because their technology continues to develop at such a pace that it makes it worthwhile to go back and test — even, evidence (previously tested) just a few years ago," he said.
JonBenet, 6, killed by asphyxiation and a fractured skull, was found by her father, John Ramsey, in the basement of the family's University Hill residence in Boulder the afternoon of Dec. 26, 1996. Her father's discovery of her body came just hours after her mother, Patsy Ramsey, had dialed 911, reporting having found a ransom note demanding $118,000 for the girl's safe return.
Although no one has ever been charged with the crime, the Camera revealed in 2013 that a Boulder County grand jury investigation resulted in October 1999 in the indictments of John and Patsy Ramsey for child abuse resulting in death and accessory to the crime of first-degree murder. However, then-Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter — who never publicly announced those indictments — declined to prosecute the couple, based on his belief that he did not have adequate evidence to secure convictions.
The Ramseys steadfastly denied any involvement in their youngest child's death, and Patsy Ramsey died after a long battle with cancer in June 2006.
[b]Ramsey seen as active investigation[/b]
During his tenure, Garnett on more than one occasion voiced his doubt that DNA alone would be the key to unlocking the Ramsey mystery, which appears destined to mark 22 years of frustration for local law enforcement this Christmas.
Dougherty, who was supported by Garnett in his election bid, echoed that sentiment following his election.
"From my own experience, there is no case that is just a DNA case," Dougherty said. "You could have a sexual assault or a murder and develop a full profile, but that full profile does not necessarily mean that the person who has that DNA was the perpetrator of the crime.
"Obviously, additional investigation, corroboration, statements, witnesses and so on are required to prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt. It's never just the DNA."
Not along after his initial appointment to the top prosecutor's post earlier this year, Dougherty announced the formation of a cold case unit within his office. It's his intention that the unit will be utilized to partner with local law enforcement in cases where prosectors' resources could make a difference in seeking resolutions to unsolved murders and missing person cases.
Thirty-four potential cases have so far been considered, he said. To date, two of those have been identified to be pursued by his new unit. The Ramsey case is not one of them. He said that is because it is still considered under active investigation by Boulder detectives and therefore is not dormant.
"That investigation has been active, consistently, with many, many, many hours of personnel time by the Boulder Police Department in its investigation since it occurred in 1996," said Catherine Olguin, spokesperson for Dougherty's office.
"I don't believe that case ever sat dormant with the Boulder Police Department. They have always had a detective, or two, assigned to it. They've always followed up leads. They've always continually looked back and reviewed the evidence in that case, to see what more could be done."


Charlie Brennan
Senior Reporter, Boulder Daily Camera

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  Dr. Oz - Nancy Grace - Judith Phillips and Doc Miller February 2018
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-20-2018, 12:20 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - Replies (3)

Dr. OZ had Nancy Grace on his show.  There is no transcript available and I don't think I will bother taking the time.

Graceless Wonder started out debunking the Intruder theory with a bunch of misinformation and lies - - mixed with a bit of truth, that is dangerous stuff.

She said John Mark Karr was clearly in Atlanta at the time of the murder.  There was a photo of him proving just that.  Fact is, there was no photo of him there  - - just a rumor of one.  He was cleared by the same DNA that clears the family - - but don't expect HER to say that on national television.

She indicated the size of the basement window - - like the size of her face - - and said "Santa" couldn't have climbed in there - - like no one could.  But those who know the facts of the case know the window was climbed through by Lou Smit and many others - - including myself.  She misrepresented the evidence here when she could simply have said be was cleared by the DNA as well.

Grace went on to clear Gary Oliva - also cleared by the DNA - - but in doing so she said there was no stun gun.  She was told that by a police officeer - - and that hardly stands up next to the official reports from the foremost expert in stun gun injuries, Dr. Doberson.  HE has said on camera that he would testify in court that the injuries "to a medical certainty" were caused by a stun gun.

The Christmas photo of the Ramsey family had Patsy in the front with JonBenet on her lap with Burke and John toward the rear.  According to Nancy, that puts Patsy in the middle as if that is some kind of evidence of guilt.

Following the break we had Judith Phillips who doesn't quite accuse Patsy but makes clear Burke is innocent and John is as well.... but not Patsy.  We heard about the "no footprints in the snow" and Dr. OZ evidently doesn't understand that the walkways were clear and the cops and friends who were there that morning ALSO left no prints. 

Doc Miller - - who I think is a real jerk and hardly a respected hand writing expert - admits he couldn't do the best job without seeing the actual ransom note - - but Patsy probably wrote it anyway.  I believe he would be torn up in any court of law if he tried to testify to those ends.  Oh yeah, he WAS one of the "experts" discareed during the Chris Wolf lawsuit.

Takes a lot of bollicks to go on TV now..... I have to take that back.  Patsy can't sue and he was in the company of Nancy and Judith who - - I believe all three will be in that special hole in Hell for people who would deny a murdered child her due truth and justice.

QUESTION OF THE DAY:  Why don't any of these talk shows do fact check and (just a thought) drug tests on guests before pretending they have credibility?  Not saying I have seen any one of these people doing drugs - - never met any of them in person - - but it is my right to say I have some dark suspicion about .... yeah. 

And Nancy Grace  - - her children will reach their teens and  - - I want them to know their mother is NOT about the truth in this case.  She is narrow minded and just mean.  May Karma take notice and let her children see who she is.  She deserves nothing less.

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  John Phillips
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-31-2018, 03:54 PM - Forum: Opinions - No Replies

Opinion
And the winner of the Fake News Award is …


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[size=x-small]AP Photo/David Zalubowski

In this Jan. 3, 1997, file photo, a police officer sits in her cruiser outside the home in which 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey was found murdered in Boulder, Colorado on Dec. 26, 1996.
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By John Phillips | Orange County Register
PUBLISHED: January 10, 2018 at 8:30 pm | UPDATED: January 11, 2018 at 12:28 pm
[size=medium]Now that the page has (hopefully) turned on fire season, Southern California will quickly be consumed with our next season — Awards season!
First it was the Golden Globes, later tonight it will be the Critics Choice Awards and then in March it’s the granddaddy of them all, the 90th Annual Academy Awards celebration.
At these ceremonies, Hollywood will shower itself with statues and praise — as they wear black to protest their own industry’s various embarrassing sexual harassment scandals.
Who says slacktivism can’t be slimming?
It’s really a shame that my colleague at KABC-AM 790, Doug McIntyre, wasn’t nominated for his documentary, “Trying to Get Good: The Jazz Odyssey of Jack Sheldon.”
I mean, seriously, how great would the reaction be on the faces of the red carpet fashionistas when they ask him who he is wearing, and McIntyre responds with, “Kirkland?”

And we can’t forget President Trump’s highly anticipated Fake News Awards. On January 7th, the President promoted the event by tweeting, “The Fake News Awards, those going to the most corrupt & biased of the Mainstream Media, will be presented to the losers on Wednesday, January 17th, rather than this coming Monday. The interest in, and importance of, these awards is far greater than anyone could have anticipated!”

Now, I don’t have a crystal ball to predict who will be taking home the gold at the Fake News Awards, but I do have a network to nominate: CBS.
CBS deserves thoughtful consideration by the academy at the Fake News Awards for their shameful series The Case of: JonBenet Ramsey, where the network concluded, to millions of viewers, that JonBenet’s brother Burke Ramsey killed his sister.

Ramsey is currently, and understandably, suing the Tiffany Network for $750 million, alleging that he was defamed and his reputation was ruined as a result of the spurious broadcast.
In the special, a panel of law enforcement specialists came to the conclusion that after reviewing evidence from the case that Burke, then 9 years old, killed 6-year-old JonBenet by accident in 1996. The investigators also believed the children’s parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, faked their daughter’s kidnapping to cover for their son.
True crime journalist Dawna Kaufmann has written extensively about the case and told the Register, “CBS and the participants of that program blundered badly and now must pay for their irresponsible error.
“Authorities cleared Burke who, if he had guilty knowledge, would have been isolated by his parents. Instead they sent him to a friend’s home, then right back to school.”
On Twitter, L. Lin Wood, the attorney for Burke Ramsey, adopted a very similar tone after a Michigan judge denied the network’s motion to dismiss Ramsey’s lawsuit. Wood tweeted, “Fake investigators. Fake investigation. Fake ‘documentary.’ Fake result and false accusations. And now a fake @CBSNews response to its huge loss today in Burke Ramsey defamation case. For those in the know, this is a very big win for Burke.”
What is really shameful about the CBS broadcast is that the network either knew, or should have known, that they were passing along reckless and unverified information that had very real consequences.
If you’re accusing someone of being a killer, you’d better be right.
CBS wasn’t.
For whatever reason, Americans are fascinated with true crime. It’s the reason that documentaries and scripted dramas are currently being produced about O.J. Simpson, the Menendez Brothers, Tonya Harding and yes, JonBenet Ramsey.
The problem for filmmakers is that while the public thirst for new content on these iconic crimes is there, the facts really haven’t changed much since the trials. That means to find a new and exciting angle, networks are forced to play the “what if” game.
“Even though there’s no evidence that supports the theory that Burke Ramsey was the killer, what if he did it?”
That is, by definition, fake news. And soon a court will decide if it’s defamatory, too.
[i]John Phillips is a CNN political commentator and can be heard weekdays at 3 p.m. on “The Drive Home with Jillian Barberie and John Phillips” on KABC/AM 790.[/i]

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  Lin Wood says CBS is going down!
Posted by: BIZ - 01-10-2018, 05:59 AM - Forum: Burke sues CBS for 750 million - Replies (2)

http://www.westword.com/news/jonbenet-ramseys-brother-burke-his-750-million-cbs-lawsuit-lives-on-9863717

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  Case to go forward - January 2018 news
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-06-2018, 03:26 PM - Forum: Burke sues CBS for 750 million - Replies (1)

Judge refuses to dismiss $750million suit filed by JonBenet Ramsey's brother against CBS for docu-series 'alleging that he killed his six-year-old sister'
• The Boulder Daily Camera reports a circuit court judge in Michigan on Friday denied a motion by CBS and other defendants who asked that he toss the case
• Michigan 3rd Circuit Court District Judge David Groner also denied a defense motion for $150million by Burke Ramsey, against pathologist, Werner Spitz
• Burke Ramsey, now 30, sued CBS in December 2016, saying his reputation was ruined after a two-part docu-series that concluded he killed his 6-year-old sister
• Included in the $750million lawsuit were CBS Corporation, Los Angeles-based Critical Content and seven additional experts who were cited in the piece
• John Ramsey, JonBenet's father, also filed a defamation lawsuit in October against CBS and the other defendants listed by his son

A judge declined to dismiss a $750 million defamation lawsuit filed against CBS by JonBenet Ramsey's brother.
The Boulder Daily Camera reports a circuit court judge in Michigan on Friday denied a motion by CBS and other defendants who asked that he toss the case.
Michigan 3rd Circuit Court District Judge David Groner also denied a defense motion for $150million by Burke Ramsey, now 30, against pathologist, Werner Spitz, who was included in the documentary.

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The Boulder Daily Camera reports a circuit court judge in Michigan on Friday denied a motion by CBS and others who asked that he toss the $750m case brought by Burke Ramsey, now 30

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He sued CBS in December 2016, saying his reputation was ruined after a two-part docu-series that concluded he killed his 6-year-old sister, JonBenet Ramsey
Burke Ramsey sued CBS in December 2016, saying his reputation was ruined after a two-part docu-series that concluded he killed his 6-year-old sister more than two decades ago.
The beauty pageant star was found dead in the basement of her family's home in Boulder the day after Christmas in 1996. A prosecutor cleared her parents and brother in 2008 based on DNA evidence.
According to Burke Ramsey's suit, 'The gist of 'The Case Of: JonBenet Ramsey' is that JonBenet's brother, Burke Ramsey, killed his six-year-old sister.' It went on to state, 'The gist of 'The Case Of: JonBenet Ramsey' is false and defamatory per se. Burke Ramsey did not kill his sister and had no involvement in her brutal murder.'

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The beauty pageant star was found dead in the basement of her family's home in Boulder the day after Christmas in 1996. A prosecutor cleared her parents and brother in 2008 based on DNA evidence
Included in the lawsuit were CBS Corporation, Los Angeles-based Critical Content and seven additional experts who were cited in the piece.
The defendants argued that the statement of Burke killing his sister 'was never made in the series.'
They also added a disclaimer that appears in both the end and beginning of the series that added: 'The opinions and conclusions of the investigators who appear on this program about how it may have occurred represent just some of a number of possible scenarios.'

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John Ramsey, JonBenet's father, also filed a defamation lawsuit in October against CBS and the other defendants listed by his son
Groner explained, in Friday's ruling, that 'the statements at issue and the docu-series as a whole could reasonably be understood as stating actual facts' about the plaintiff.
He added: 'This Court does not find that the 'disclaimer' at the beginning and end of the program negate the docu-series potentially defamatory meaning.'
'This very preliminary procedural ruling was issued prior to any evidence being presented. It is based solely on the plaintiff's complaint. Should the case move forward, we look forward to defending it on its merits,' CBS said in a statement.
John Ramsey, JonBenet's father, also filed a defamation lawsuit in October against CBS and the other defendants listed by his son.
CBS has also motioned to have that dismissed.

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