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  In the beginning
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-27-2017, 02:08 PM - Forum: FBI involvement - Replies (13)

2000 November 14
About.Com Crime Chat
with former Detective Steve Thomas

crimeADM: "How soon on December 26 did the FBI become involved?"

stevethomas: "good Q, as Patsy on LKL suggested they weren't there. The FBI was involved from the early hours of the case, an FBI agent was at the house shortly after the body was found, the FBI was in the bpd sit room during the morning while it was being investigated as a kidnapping. FBI was in early, despite Ramsey assertions otherwise"

jameson comment:  Patsy and John were in shock that morning and they do not recall being told the FBI was there.  Yes, they heard the FBI was called but do not remember being introduced.  I believe if they had been, they would have been all over that man with questions and pinning their hopes on him and not the Boulder police. 

Instead, he left the house and went back to the BPD to discuss the case away from the parents, and we now know he was assuring the police this was probably, based on statistics, a case of a parent killing their child.

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  Did John leave the house that morning?
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-27-2017, 01:44 PM - Forum: December 26th - No Replies

1997 April 30 - Taped Interrogation interview of John Ramsey by Steve Thomas and Tom Trujillo in Colorado

NE Book Page 128:

Steve Thomas: "So the morning of the 26th do you recall checking all the doors, and they were locked?"

John Ramsey: "I believe I checked all the first-floor doors, yeah. I did go out once. I went out to the door that leads into the garage to see if it was locked becaue there's a bunch of boxes piled in front of it and you couldn't get to it from the inside of the garage.
So I did, infact, go out of the house once, which would have been for, you know, half a minute."

Steve Thomas: "And that was from where to where?"

John Ramsey:
"I went out the side door around to the back of the garage to see if that garage door into the garage was locked."

Steve Thomas: "And then immediately back into the house?"

John Ramsey: "Yeah."

Steve Thomas: "And that wasn't an excursion that exceeded 30 seconds?"

John Ramsey: "No, at max"

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  Who had keys to the house
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-27-2017, 01:40 PM - Forum: The House at 755 15th Street, Boulder, CO - Replies (1)

According to Schiller/Brennan

Who had keys to the Ramsey house?

Fleet White (friend) - PMPT 179
Jay Pettipiece (painter) - PMPT 435
Joe Barnhill (neighbor) - PMPT 179
John Andrew Ramsey - PMPT 179
John Ramsey - PMPT 179
John Fernie (friend) - PMPT 179
Linda Pugh (housekeeper) - PMPT 179
Linda Wilcox (housekeeper) - PMPT 145
Patsy Ramsey - PMPT 179
Nedra Paugh (relative) - PMPT 179
Suzanne Savage (babysitter) - PMPT 145

1999 February 18 - Lawrence Schillers book, "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town

Page 179:

"In April 1997, Ellis Armistead, an investigator hired by the Ramseys, would tell the police that there were twenty more extra keys outstanding. In the end, however, the detective could find only nine poeple who said they had keys. Six of the keys were returned. Three were missing. The Police soon learned that the front door locked automatically when it closed."

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  Meyer and Deters in PMPT
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-26-2017, 10:45 AM - Forum: Stun Gun - Replies (1)

John Meyer, a board certified forensic pathologist and the only pathologist who measured and closely examined the injuries on JonBenet, concluded that:

"The injuries on JonBenet's face and back were, in fact, consistent with those produced by a stun gun." (Page 431, PMPT pb)

Also, other pathologists agreed the body of JonBenet would NOT have to be exhumed to determine for sure if the injuries were consistent with stun gun injuries. The photos were proof enough.

"Soon after, Ainsworth learned of a 1988 Larimer County murder in which a stun gun had been used on a thirteen-month-old girl, Michaela Hughes, who had been sexually assaulted and killed. Ainsworth met with Dr. Robert Deters, the pathologist on the case, and showed him the autopsy photos of JonBenet. Deters agreed that the marks were consistent with a stun-gun injury, but he didn't think the body had to be exhumed. Nothing more would be learned by examining the skin tissue." (Page 431, PMPT pb)

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  what does the position tell us?
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-26-2017, 10:35 AM - Forum: position of the body - Replies (1)

Let's talk about the position of the body. We know her hands were above her head, not neatly folded on her chest as is normal position for burial. We now her feet were exposed because Fleet White told how he touched her feet and they were cold. I don't think that is the act of a person who loved the child. The blanket being tossed on her, that could have been because the killer didn't want to look at his "work" - it really had not been the crime he imagined - or it may have just been incidental, he tossed her and the blanket in there and didn't carefully place the blanket at all. JMO

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  Body wiped down?
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-26-2017, 10:07 AM - Forum: Fiber and Hair Evidence - Replies (1)

Some people say JonBenét may have been wiped down, I personally don't think she was at all.  I think that "wiping" was inadvertent contact with the killer's sleeve.

I don't see in the autopsy that there is any mention of her being wiped down and am trying to remember where that came from.  I see it in the Bonita papers but we all know better than to take that as a reliable source as those papers were the beginnings of a BORG book being written after the author listened to several people making BORG presentations.

The coroner COULD have said it was a possibility.  I don't think he ever stated that as fact.

So I guess that is really a subject yet to be pinned down.  What were those fibers and was she actually wiped down or could that have been inadvertent contact with the killer's sleeve?  (No blue cloth was found near the body.)

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  Alie Berrellez
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-22-2017, 12:23 PM - Forum: Boulder crimes - No Replies

Not Boulder but close

Resolving 1993 murder of Englewood 5-year-old took an advances in forensic science

By Kevin Vaughan | The Denver Post
PUBLISHED: October 8, 2011 at 2:47 pm


Detective Bobbie Garrett pulled down a three-ring binder, opened its vinyl cover and began reading the 275-page summary of one of Colorado’s most notorious cold cases.

It was January — nearly 18 years after a brown-eyed 5-year-old girl named Aleszandra “Alie” Berrelez vanished from the courtyard outside her Englewood apartment, sparking a four-day hunt that ended in the heartbreaking discovery of her body. Her killer had stuffed her into a canvas bag and tossed her down a hillside in Deer Creek Canyon.

As Garrett began the latest look at case No. 93-9789 — the kidnap and murder of little Alie Berrelez — the paper trail alone filled 37 three-inch binders and two file boxes at the Englewood Police Department. Garrett, an investigator in the crimes against persons unit for more than a decade who had worked the case off and on over the years, settled in to take a fresh look.
Alie’s disappearance and the subsequent discovery of her body had captivated people across the Denver area, in part because of the bloodhound, Yogi, who led officers from her apartment to Deer Creek Canyon, where her body was found.
What the public never knew was that later Yogi led investigators from Deer Creek Canyon back to the Golden Nugget Apartments, and that a second bloodhound, Becky, took them right to apartment 106A — and that both dogs identified both the prime suspect and two cars he had driven.
As Garrett sat down in January to look again at Alie’s disappearance and murder, she saw the extensive circumstantial case against the man who lived in that apartment — a drug user and drifter who died in 2001 after years of hard living.
The first step was to examine the case summary, which detailed the work of the original detectives in 1993 and 1994.
The story started, at the top of Page 1, at the beginning.
“On May 18, 1993, at approximately 7:02 p.m., the Englewood Department of Safety Services Police Division Dispatcher Vern Elder received a phone call from Marivel Berrelez . . . Marivel Berrelez stated that her 5 year old daughter was missing.”

Garrett read on.
Alie was in the courtyard of the Golden Nugget Apartments with her two brothers. . . . A neighbor watching the children slipped into her unit for a few minutes, and when she returned, Alie was gone. . . . Soon, other officers swarmed the horseshoe-shaped complex but found no signs of Alie. . . . Alie’s 3-year-old brother, Sam, told the officers she was with a man “and they went in a car.” . . . Three days after Alie vanished, a police bloodhound named Yogi sniffed a pair of the little girl’s underpants and began working around the apartment courtyard before heading to Broadway, then south to C-470, and ultimately to the mouth of Deer Creek Canyon. . . . Four days after Alie disappeared, searchers that picked up where Yogi left off saw a green canvas bag in a ravine. . . . An officer opened the bag and saw Alie’s lifeless body.
On Page 18, Garrett saw the first mention of a man who had come into investigators’ sights the same day Alie’s body was found. A man who lived in unit 106A but had boarded a train to California.
As Garrett read, she experienced what she would later describe as “red flag upon red flag.” She continued, jotting down occasional questions, thinking about what else she might do that hadn’t already been done. When she was finished, she’d reached the same conclusion as her predecessors: The man who lived in unit 106A was Alie’s killer.
Detectives had tried in 1994 to press charges against him after building a case that was strong but circumstantial. Prosecutors, however, decided there wasn’t enough, and no arrest was made — despite repeated efforts, in the ensuing years, to find the clue that would tip the balance irrevocably toward a suspect.
Now Garrett considered her options. What she decided would crack the case.
Unraveling the truth
Solving a cold case — any cold case — can be a matter of luck or advanced technology or shoe leather.
Luck, as in a furnace repairman’s 1995 discovery of a wad of women’s underwear secreted in a duct that led to an arrest in the 6-year-old unsolved murder of Susan Doll.
Advanced technology, as in the 2008 arrest in the rape and murder more than 30 years before of Holly Andrews — a case solved with a DNA match.
Shoe leather, as in the 1983 Boulder murder of Sid Wells that yielded, earlier this year, an arrest warrant for the longtime suspect in the case, Thayne Smika, obtained after detectives and prosecutors went through everything again, conducted new interviews, and determined they had enough to go to court.
When Becky, the second bloodhound, walked right into the open door of that unit four days after Alie vanished, maintenance workers were cleaning up — the previous tenant had abruptly moved out.
The previous tenant was 32-year- old Nicholas Randolph Stofer.
An examination of Englewood’s case files paints a portrait of Stofer as a young man with a lot of problems.
Born Nicholas Randolph Schultz, he’d gotten a new name after his mother remarried and his stepfather adopted him. He grew up in the Littleton area, and by age 15, he was drinking and using drugs and engaging in sex with a male classmate. He later served in the U.S. Navy but was bounced out on an “other than honorable” discharge and drifted, married and divorced twice, found jobs and lost them, and used massive amounts of drugs and alcohol.
On June 2, 1993, 15 days after Alie vanished, investigators had their first contact with Stofer. In a telephone interview, Stofer claimed that around the time of Alie’s disappearance, he’d been talking with two other tenants in the complex. He said that while they were chatting, he saw Alie’s mother looking for her in the courtyard. And he said he then headed out to a pay phone in front of the complex to make calls.
But those other tenants told a different story — that when they’d left for a bingo game, Alie was still in the courtyard. Phone records showed Stofer hadn’t made any calls.
As Garrett went over everything, she saw one curiosity after another linking Stofer to Alie’s disappearance and death.
Alie was barefoot when she was found, and seven people described Stofer as having a “foot fetish” — two of them said he’d talked of being sexually attracted to small, female feet. . . . Stofer bought an Amtrak ticket to California the day Alie disappeared, then moved up his departure and was on the train when her body was found. . . . Stofer was inside his apartment as officers searched for Alie but never answered his door. . . . Stofer borrowed a Buick two days after Alie vanished, claiming he needed to go to Hudson to get his last paycheck from a railroad job but had, in fact, been fired and paid two months earlier. . . . A friend who’d helped him move into the Golden Nugget Apartments saw a green canvas bag exactly like the one used to conceal Alie’s body. . . . Alie’s brother, Sam, in multiple conversations with a psychologist, said he’d seen “the old man” take her. . . . On two separate occasions, Sam took investigators to apartment 106A after being asked where the “old man” lived.
And Garrett saw more compelling evidence, courtesy of the two dogs.
In August 1993, Yogi and Becky, in separate exercises at different locations, were given a gauze pad to sniff that had been wiped around inside the green canvas bag. And each dog then picked out Stofer’s Subaru, and later the borrowed Buick, from among a series of vehicles parked together.
And then, in April 1994, there was more. Investigators obtained a court order requiring Stofer to appear in a lineup. He and four others — three police officers and a firefighter — stood next to designated cones in a lot at a training center used by law enforcement officers from Arapahoe and Douglas counties. More than a half-mile away, a handler let Becky sniff the gauze pad.
The dog then zig-zagged her way more than 1,000 yards until the five men were in sight. Becky sniffed her way right up to Stofer, stopped in front of him and nudged his right hand.
A little later, Yogi was given the same gauze pad. He, too, worked his way to the men, jumping on Stofer when he reached him.
Later that year, investigators took the case to prosecutors in the office of then-Arapahoe County District Attorney Bob Gallagher. The prosecutors decided the case wasn’t strong enough.
Garrett saw some of the things that may have given them pause, things that could have been exploited by a defense attorney. That Sam had initially said the man who took Alie was black. That both Yogi and Becky had shown keen interest in the same apartment a block from the Berrelez home — an apartment with no ties to Alie or Stofer. That while the carpet fibers found on Alie’s clothing matched the green shag in Stofer’s apartment, they also matched the floor covering in seven other units in the building. That doctors never determined with certainty how Alie died — perhaps, they theorized, it was a result of a severe asthma attack. And, of course, that dogs can’t talk.
Still, Garrett believed the evidence pointing to Stofer far outweighed that which threw his guilt into question, and so as she thought about her next step, she believed DNA testing — much more advanced than what existed at the time Alie was killed — was her best bet.
On Feb. 8, she filled out the paperwork to send several items to the Colorado Bureau of Investigation: The green canvas bag in which Alie’s body had been found, and her shoes, underwear, jumper, shirt, headband and hair tie.
It was Garrett’s best hope, and yet she knew it might yield nothing.
“You always submit things hoping they’re going to come back with something,” she said. “But they often don’t.”
Months passed. Garrett worked other cases.
Closing the case
Tuesday, Aug. 31. The phone on Garrett’s desk rang.
“Investigations, Garrett,” she answered.
On the other end of the line was Gentry Roth, a CBI forensic scientist.
The call started with small talk. Roth told her about his memories of the case — especially Yogi, the bloodhound. He asked her a few questions about Stofer — how it was he came to be a suspect, whether he was a family friend, whether he would have been around her.
“So,” Roth finally asked, “wanna know what I did?”
“What?” Garrett asked excitedly.
Garrett’s mind raced. Submitting the evidence again had been a risk — testing can, in effect, destroy the chance to test again in the future when technology may be even more advanced.
But Roth told her how he’d run moistened cotton swabs over Alie’s clothing, then tested them. And how that testing had yielded two DNA hits — both from Alie’s underpants.
One was a partial genetic profile, and Stofer could not be eliminated as the source of it. Because the profile was not complete, Roth could not say with a “reasonable degree of scientific certainty” that it came from Stofer. But what Roth could say was that the odds of it coming from someone else were, at a minimum, greater than one in 100 million. At the same time, he found a second partial profile, this one known as a Y-STR. It is a DNA profile that is male-specific and is passed from fathers to sons. And it, too, matched Stofer.
Because the samples were so small, Roth could not tell her what had left the DNA. It could have been anything — drops of sweat, or saliva, or a few skin cells.
No matter. Garrett had DNA consistent with Stofer’s on the underpants Alie was wearing when her body was found. And with that, she had the final clue she needed to close the books on a case that frustrated her and many other investigators and left Alie’s family in limbo for more than 18 years.
About 20 feet and an open area separate Garrett’s desk from the office of Englewood Police Chief John Collins, who as a young detective had worked some on the Berrelez case in the early years. Collins could tell Garrett was on the phone with someone, and then he heard her yelling.
“Stop what you’re doing,” she yelled to Collins. “You better sit down. . . . This is kind of big.”
A moment later, Garrett burst into his office.
“We have a DNA hit,” she said excitedly.
“On who?” Collins asked.
“Alie’s case,” Garrett said.
Kevin Vaughan: 303-954-5019 or kvaughan@denverpost.com

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  House is a Maze No Intruder Could Navigate
Posted by: meibomius - 02-21-2017, 09:36 PM - Forum: Disproving Myths - No Replies

MYTH: The layout of the house is a maze, and no intruder could have navigated it without being totally familiar with the house. This myth I believe was first leaked by the BPD very early on, and has persisted in the minds of a lot of RDI. Even many IDI aren't sure how to counter the argument, because the layout of the house really is very complex and it isn't easy to visualize the actual path that an intruder needed to travel.

However, the parts of the house any intruder would have had to navigate to be responsible for every aspect of this crime are actually very small (i once roughly calculated it as about 20% of the house, but it was a crude estimation and I don't recall how I did it.)

To illustrate just how little of the entire house an intruder would have needed to navigate, here is an exploded floorplan of the house,* with very hastily drawn in paths of entrance and exit to cover four different possible points of entry (GREEN), then getting from JonBenét's bedroom down the the basement and the storage room where her body was found (YELLOW), and finally possible exit paths back the way he had entered, or out one of the other possible points of entry (RED). The flashlight, the markers and the notepad are all right along this path

This was done very hastily and so iis very crude looking, but I wanted to get this up here for people to react to. Does it surprise you? Does it help make the point? Is it worth spending the time to do more neatly and carefully? (& using another floorplan image if copyright is a concern) Suggestions?

*I believe I saw this original image (without paths) has been posted on one of the major forums, maybe FFJ, but I can't find any original source at the moment, and I can't find any copyright notice to help find the source.  If someone knows the original source (maybe one of the news outlets?), I can add a credit. If the moderator feels it clearly violates any copyright, do what you must. This is used in good faith for what I believe is a fair use. 
[Image: ramsey_floorplan1.jpg]

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  chris wolf handwriting comparison.
Posted by: BIZ - 02-21-2017, 03:45 PM - Forum: Handwriting - No Replies

.pdf   Chris Wolf Handwriting Comparison to Ransom Note from u:samarkandy - Imgur.pdf (Size: 1.87 MB / Downloads: 9)
.pdf   Chris Wolf Handwriting Comparison to Ransom Note from u:samarkandy - Imgur.pdf (Size: 1.87 MB / Downloads: 9) http://imgur.com/r/JonBenet/8Ha6H4C

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  The Ransom note and the Movie Connection
Posted by: BIZ - 02-21-2017, 03:33 PM - Forum: Linguistics - Ransom Note - No Replies

Ransom (1996)

Story Lines
Specified denomination of bills and type of container for delivery of the ransom
The delivery of the ransom requires extreme physical exertion [The RN encourages John to be well-rested]
The child is bound with his hands placed above his head
Duct tape is used on the child
The child's parent is a wealthy businessman who can fly his own plane
The kidnapper employs counter-surveillance
Similar Phrases
"Do not involve the police or the FBI. If you do, I will kill him."
"Do not inform the media or I will kill him."
"No tracking devices in the money or the cases or I will kill him."

Ruthless People (1986) 

Similar Phrases
"Mister Stone. Listen very carefully." 
"We have kidnapped your wife."
"We have no qualms about killing and will do so at the slightest provocation. Do you understand?"
"I have no patience for stupid questions, Mister Stone, and I donÂ’t like repeating myself. Do you understand?"
"You are to obtain a new, black, American Tourister briefcase. Model numbereight-one-o-four. Do you understand?"
"In it you will place five hundred thousand dollars in unmarked, non-
sequentially numbered one-hundred dollars bills. Do you understand?" 
"Monday morning, at eleven A.M., you will proceed, with case in hand, to Hope Street Plaza and wait for a phone to ring. You will receive further instructions then. Do you understand?"
"You will be watched at all phases of execution. If anyone is with you, or if any action is not carried out to our complete satisfaction, it will be
considered an infraction of the rules, and your wife will be killed. Do you understand?" 
"If you notify the police, your wife will be killed. If you notify the media, she will be killed. If you deviate from our instructions in any way whatsoever, she will be killed. Do you understand?"

Speed (1994)

Story Lines
Specified denomination of bills and type of container for delivery of the ransom
The kidnapper employs counter-surveillance
"You know that I'm on top of you. Do not attempt to grow a brain." [RN states: "Don't try to grow a brain John"]

"Mind Hunter," by FBI profiler John Douglas. 

In chapter 16, there is a case of a young girl who is kidnapped, sexually assaulted, and suffocated with duct tape. When the killer called the mother, he began with the words "listen carefully." The same two words begin the ransom note." 
Others have speculated that the references to "John" in the RN were to John Douglas rather than John Ramsey, i.e., that the writer was deliberately taunting FBI profilers.
Seven (1995)

Story Lines
Police drama about two cops, one new and one about to retire, after a serial killer using the seven deadly sins as his MO.[JBR may or may not have been killed by a serial killer; elements of "staging" suggest there may have been something symbolic about her death in the mind of the killer].
Killer: "I'm setting the example. What I've done is going to be puzzled over and studied and followed... forever." [JBR's killer may have been implicitly trying to "send a message" about the U.S. "we respect your business but not the country that it serves." Alternatively the killer may have been bothered by little girls being beauty pageant queens, although this theme is not mentioned in RN].
Killer: "Wanting people to listen, you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer, and then you'll notice you've got their strict attention." [JBR was dealt a savage blow to the head, one that would fell a 350 lb. lineman, far more than what was needed for her to die. If the point of this blow was to send a message, however, one would have expected it to be externally visible, which it was not. On the other hand, an extremely experienced or far-sighted killer would have known the public shock value of learning this fact at the autopsy.]. 
Killer: "It seems that envy is my sin." [The allusion to "fat cat" in the RN suggests the killer may have been envious of JR; on the other hand, it's not clear the killer would have been self-critical enough to label his/her behavior as envious]. 
Nick of Time (1995)
When Aired. "On the night JonBenet was murdered, the movie 'Nick of Time' aired at 7:30 P.M. on a Boulder cable channel....Bill Cox, who was staying with Fleet and Priscilla White, told the police he remembered watching the movie that night." (Schiller 1999:225t).
Story Lines
"The story centers on an unarmed political faction that kidnaps a six-year-old girl." (Schiller 1999:225,).
Similar Phrases
"The victim is told, "Listen to me very carefully.'" (Schiller 1999:225,)

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