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  Atlanta Questions
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:43 PM - Forum: odds and ends - No Replies

ST:  How about, uh, uh, certainly we, we’ve chased a lot of things locally, but were there ever any Charlevoix concerns or concerns in the greater Atlanta area as you live there or continue to have ties there that you’ve thought of that we might be aware of? Any, anybody, zealots, nuts, fanatics in Charlevoix uh, any bad business dealings, bad neighbor dealings, anything at all?
PR:  Um. . .
ST:  The Northridge home, uh . . .
PR:  No, I mean, there was one incident in uh, Charlevoix that, and you can ask John more about this, but, um, he was getting ready to do this yacht race to Mackinaw Island and this fellow, and I can’t remember his name, was going, you know they had to have six, I think a, six or eight people on the crew or something and one of the guys, one of the people on the race had to have done the race before, that was one of the boat rules or race rules or something like that and this guy that they, from the Charlevoix boat store or something like that was going to be, his name was Tim something, Tim, I think is was Tim something, was going to be on the race with them, and they were all suppose to meet in Chicago. Fleet White was going to be on the race and a couple of these buddies of Fleets from California and John and Melinda and John Andrew and then this guy from Charlevoix. Tim Mur. . .Murtock, Murtaugh, or something like that was going to meet them over in Chicago. Well, they were over there the day before the race and it was hotter than blazes that day and this guy never showed, never showed and I remember trying to down his wife. I called his wife and said, you know, where is, where is he. They’re waiting for him, you know, to qualify for this race or whatever and she said well he’s in Chicago, you know, that’s what he told me and he never did show up on that race. Now, I don’t know why he didn’t do that, but they almost, you know, they were pretty, he, John and Fleet were miffed over that. And they had to take a, this woman crew member, you know, which is kind of a, you know, walks around say does anybody need a crew, anybody need a crew, (inaudible) and they said yeah and she happened to have done this race before so they qualified, but that guy, you know, never did show up. Tim Murtock.
ST:  How about Atlanta. Can you think back, days in Atlanta and Northridge and (inaudible) and I know, again, you’ve racked you brain and I’m sure you would have forwarded that to us, but anything today that comes to mind.
PR:  No, um, no.
ST:  Patsy, one of the things that, that I’m, certainly have to ask you about is we try to think of who would have had any reason or intent or motive to have done something like this and what might have pushed them to do something to do this would be terribly strong feelings and um, uh, have there and I need to ask you this, um, has there been any spurned or scorned lovers or infidelities in your marriage to John, uh that we need to look at as a, as a possible actor in this?
PR:  No, absolutely not.
ST:  And, and let me ask that another way. Have there been any infidelities in your marriage to John.
PR:  No.
ST:  Are you aware of a woman in Tucson claiming to have had an affair with John.
PR:  Um hum.
ST:  And what’s your response to that?
PR:  She’s an extortionist.
ST:  Okay. One person that we have not been able to run down, that I certainly want to exhaust in this ting is uh, a woman who Lucinda revealed to us is having had an affair with John that ultimately lead to the dissolution of their marriage. Um, that was some time ago, but, um, I think people have been reluctant to share that with us. Do you know who this person was?
PR:  No, I’m not aware of anything like that.
ST:  Are, are you aware of prior to today, because I had to ask Nedra and Pam and Paulie and uh, if they were aware of this person, while we were in Georgia so we could find her, and make sure she’s not some kook that laid in wait for 20 years. . .
PR:  Um hum.
ST:  . . .um, is today the first time you’ve been made, made aware of this woman?
PR:  I don’t know of any woman with, I don’t know anything about this, no.
ST:  Okay. Are you aware that John had some sort of infidelity according to Lucinda?
PR:  No (Inaudible).
ST:  Okay. So you certainly wouldn’t know this woman’s name then?
PR:  No.
ST:  And you’re not in a position so I’ll ask John if he’ll share that with us.

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  Charlevoix boat race
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:42 PM - Forum: odds and ends - No Replies

ST:  How about, uh, uh, certainly we, we’ve chased a lot of things locally, but were there ever any Charlevoix concerns or concerns in the greater Atlanta area as you live there or continue to have ties there that you’ve thought of that we might be aware of? Any, anybody, zealots, nuts, fanatics in Charlevoix uh, any bad business dealings, bad neighbor dealings, anything at all?
PR:  Um. . .
ST:  The Northridge home, uh . . .
PR:  No, I mean, there was one incident in uh, Charlevoix that, and you can ask John more about this, but, um, he was getting ready to do this yacht race to Mackinaw Island and this fellow, and I can’t remember his name, was going, you know they had to have six, I think a, six or eight people on the crew or something and one of the guys, one of the people on the race had to have done the race before, that was one of the boat rules or race rules or something like that and this guy that they, from the Charlevoix boat store or something like that was going to be, his name was Tim something, Tim, I think is was Tim something, was going to be on the race with them, and they were all suppose to meet in Chicago. Fleet White was going to be on the race and a couple of these buddies of Fleets from California and John and Melinda and John Andrew and then this guy from Charlevoix. Tim Mur. . .Murtock, Murtaugh, or something like that was going to meet them over in Chicago. Well, they were over there the day before the race and it was hotter than blazes that day and this guy never showed, never showed and I remember trying to down his wife. I called his wife and said, you know, where is, where is he. They’re waiting for him, you know, to qualify for this race or whatever and she said well he’s in Chicago, you know, that’s what he told me and he never did show up on that race. Now, I don’t know why he didn’t do that, but they almost, you know, they were pretty, he, John and Fleet were miffed over that. And they had to take a, this woman crew member, you know, which is kind of a, you know, walks around say does anybody need a crew, anybody need a crew, (inaudible) and they said yeah and she happened to have done this race before so they qualified, but that guy, you know, never did show up. Tim Murtock.

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  Patsy on the bonus
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:38 PM - Forum: 118 thousand dollar ransom - No Replies

ST:  How immediate did it come to your mind or John’s mind uh, that that uh, amount of money asked for in the ransom note roughly equaled John’s bonus? Were you aware of that on the morning of the 26th?
PR:  Was I, was I aware of what now?
ST:  The bonus amount equaling. . .
PR:  I was not aware that, I, I didn’t know that he had gotten a bonus.
ST:  Okay.
PR:  Or that that, he takes care of all that stuff and I didn’t know, I think at some time that morning he, I remember him saying that that might be close to a figure that was a bonus that he had gotten, but. . .
ST:  Okay. I’m assuming his salary, and I don’t know if you know this, was to $118,000. Do you know what John’s salary was in relation to a bonus being $118,000?
PR:  I don’t know any of that.
ST:  Are you not privy to any of the financial information in the household.
PR:  Well, I’m sure I’m privy. I can see it if want to, but . . .
ST:  Okay.
PR:  . . .I just. . .
ST:  Okay. That’s not your day to day affair?
PR:  That’s not my day. . . no.

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  Patsy in interview
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:33 PM - Forum: Christmas Day, 1996 - Replies (9)

TT:  Okay. How about December 25th, Christmas day. How did that start out? Who got up first and that sort of thing?
PR:  Uh, well, the kids came up and woke us up and John went down, he went to get everything ready, you know, get the lights on, get the music on, you know. . .
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  . . .uh, I think he, he said he had, he brought he, Santa Claus Brought me a bicycle so he had to go get that under the tree. . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .and then we all went down and, into the living room. That’s where we had the Christmas.
TT:  Okay. Big tree in the living room. Okay. Because I know there’s kind of trees all over.
PR:  Right.
TT:  What, what do you normally store the Christmas presents say before the 25th.
PR:  I the basement. I had them all in the basement.
TT:  Okay. Because there were some extra Christmas presents. Who were they for? Do you remember?
PR:  Well, I had, I had some uh, bagged up and kind of ready to go up to the lake.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  We were going to the lake the 26th.
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  Michigan. And I had Melinda’s and Stewart’s and John Andrew’s.
TT:  Okay. Those were the presents that were down in the cellar still?
PR:  Uh. There were probably were some down there.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  I don’t know when you mean down still.
TT:  Um, on the 26th there was still some presents downstairs.
PR:  When, uh, I was, if there were I don’t remember, I had them kind of. . .
TT:  Kind of all over the place?
PR:  . . .you know, all over, yeah. And I had, uh, I know I had a (Lego?) set down there that I had gotten for Burke’s birthday which was in January, so I. . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .I had that there kind of back, held back.
TT:  Okay. Why don’t you walk me through the rest of the 25th. What all did you guys do that day?
PR:  Well, I continued to wrap some presents. I went back down to the basement on the washing machine area there and wrapped for taking the stuff to the lake . . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .and the kids were playing with there toys and the Colby kids were over and some other little new kids that moved in a couple of doors up uh, where the Whites had. . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .rented a house two doors up the hill.
TT:  Towards Baseline?
PR:  Towards Baseline.
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  Uh, south I guess that is. Um, there were just kids all around, you know, they all playing with all their stuff and . . .
TT:  Quite a few kids in the house, around the house?
PR:  Yeah, right.
TT:  Okay. And then about what time did you guys go over to the White’s house that night?
PR:  Um, um, dinner timeish, you know, five or six or something like that.
TT:  Al right. What did you guys do at the White’s house, kind of, how many people were over there?
PR:  Well, that whole group of her family was still there. . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .and uh, you know what? I think Heather did not come to our party cause she was, had a cold, but she rallied and was there for dinner at Fleet’s house.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  Um, so, you know, all of them were there.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  And we. . .
TT:  (Inaudible)
PR:  . . .were all there, yean.
TT:  About what time did you get home from the Whites that night?
PR:  Well, we stopped a couple of places on the way home to drop off Christmas gifts.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  By the Walkers and the Stines.
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  And I imagine it was about nineish, something like that.
TT:  Okay. Sometime, nine, after nine, something like that?
PR:  Some, yeah.
ST:  (Inaudible) um.
TT:  Question?
ST;  Uh,    quick quick question. Give me some more detail Patsy, if you will, on, on the daytime and afternoon of the 25th. Um, we sort of moved quickly to that evening but, but uh. . .
PR:  Yeah.
ST:  . . .walk me through that day.
PR:  Well, we opened our presents and uh, try to have them do it slowly so it doesn’t it’s not over with in five minutes, you know, and we all opened our things and then we had breakfast and uh, I was packing, as well as wrapping gifts that day. We were, we were going to go to the lake on the 26th so I was putting a few things together for that trip and um, and trying to get the presents together to take up there and then I was packing our suitcases to go, we were going to go on a Walt Disney cruise on. . .
ST:  Big Red boat?
PR:  Bid Red boat. On my birthday, the 29th. So I was, had summer clothes, trying to get all that ready, so uh, and packing and uh, I think I colored my hair that afternoon, like with one of those quick, you know, uh. . .
ST:  Everybody stayed home the whole day. No trips out on the 25th prior to going to the Whites?
PR:  Uh, John, I think went out to the airplane to kind of, he always kind of checks, checks it out.
ST:  Prior to a flight?
PR:  Yeah. So he went out there that afternoon and the kids were just in an out playing and playing with their, JonBenet was making this little jewelry things and Burke had this car that he was playing with.
ST:  So you and the kids were home the whole day . . .
PR:  Yes.
ST:  . . .prior to going to the Whites and John returned from his short outing. . .
PR:  Right.
ST:  . . .uh, and that was his only trip out that day?
PR:  As best I can remember. Yes.

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  Christmas Eve
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:29 PM - Forum: odds and ends - Replies (6)

TT:  Got a little of your tea left. Okay. Patsy, let’s move over to the uh, to the 24th. I want you to start kind of, actually let’s go more towards the afternoon of the 24th. That would be the 24th of Christmas Eve. The kids are all excited. Kind of run me through that in the same fashion. What did you guys do?
PR:  Well we um, uh went to church, the family church service which was at four or 4:30 . . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .something like that. And uh, after that we went to Pasta Jay’s for dinner. . .
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  And then we drove around town looking at Christmas lights and we drove up to the star up on the mountain there and um, I remember JonBenet was miffed because we wouldn’t let her get out and she wanted to walk up into the star . . .
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  And uh, she just had her little velvet Sunday school shoes on, you know, so she was, she said, ‘Well, what’s the use coming up here if you can’t even go up to the star.’ Um, so then we came down, down from the star and we wound around by the White’s house and uh, I think, and we went in there for a few minutes and uh, then we went home.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  And, you know, got everybody ready for bed.
TT:  Okay. About what time (inaudible).
PR:  Oh, gee, I don’t know.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  I don’t know exactly.
TT:  Okay. Um, go home, go to bed.
PR:  Early evening.
TT:  Okay. Early evening?
PR:  Um hum.
TT:  Go home, got ready for bed um, where did everybody sleep that night?
PR:  Well, JonBenet was in her bed in her room. . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .and Burke was in his bed and we slept in our room.
TT:  Okay. Do you have an idea if JonBenet moved over towards Burke’s room at all that night. Slept in his room?
PR:  Um, I can’t remember, can’t remember.
TT:  Okay. Is that something that she would normally do?
PR:  No.
TT:  Sleep in Burke’s room. I know everybody’s got, you got, they both have two beds in their rooms.
PR:  Yeah, right um, I don’t think so. I just can’t remember.

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  Shreveport (letter)
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:23 PM - Forum: odds and ends - No Replies

TT:  Okay. Patsy, we got a uh, got some information for a friend of yours down in Shreveport. You know anybody down in Shreveport, Louisiana?
PR:  I don’t know anybody down in Shreveport.
TT:  The name, that come up at all you guys know of?
PR:  I think I heard something about it in the press or something, but I never have known anybody that I can remember in Shreveport.
TT:  Okay. Um . . .
PR:  Do you know the name? Do you guys have the name?
TT:  I, I don’t have the name right off. I don’t have that.
PR:  Maybe it’s somebody I knew that moved to Shreveport and I didn’t know that.
TT:  Right.
PR:  But I don’t . . .
TT:  Don’t know of anybody that, recent friends that would have moved down there.
PR:  No.

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  JonBenét
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:20 PM - Forum: other family members - Replies (6)

TT:   Okay. What about some of JonBenet’s playmates? She had some in school?
PR:  School mostly, yeah. Well, pre-school, Quinn Hasley was one of her best little girlfriends.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  And uh, Daphne White.
TT:  Um hum. Did they all go to the same pre-school?
PR:  Yeah.
TT:  And that’s . . .
PR:  First Presbyterian.
TT:  Down of 15th and Canyon.
PR:  Right.
TT:  Is that right?
PR:  Um hum, um hum.
TT:  Okay. Okay.
PR:  And uh, then this year in Kindergarten she like little Annie Smart and uh, Megan Kostinick. She liked them.
TT:  Okay. Did these little girls ever come over to you, to your house to play?
PR:  Um hum. Um hum.
TT:  About how often would they come over?
PR:  Oh, about once very couple of weeks maybe or so.

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  St. John's Foyer Group
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:14 PM - Forum: The House at 755 15th Street, Boulder, CO - No Replies

Patsy in interview with Thomas and Trujillo

TT:  Okay. Um, you guys had a, a Foyer Group meeting back on the 13th.
PR:  Right.
TT:  You want kind of . . .
PR:  What is that?
TT:  What is the Foyer Group, yeah.
PR:  The Foyer, it’s a Foyer dinner group from church . . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .from St. Johns and um, they have small groups , kind of a dinner group assigned and you meet with that group throughout the year, usually like school year.
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  And you have dinner in each others home, but this particular, there are like dinner, individual dinner groups of maybe six to ten that meet in each others homes and then the entire Foyer Dinner Group which is made up several of these smaller groups. . .
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  . . .had a Christmas party at our house, so the entire group was invited.
TT:  (Inaudible) the six to ten of that, six to ten couples or six to ten people?
PR:  People.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  (Inaudible) Might be couples and singles.
TT:  Right. So, about once very six months to ten months you rotate around to another house. Is that, to have dinner. Is that right?
PR:  Right. Well, I think they have, they meet monthly, you know, and like if we’re all in a group we’d go to your house one month and my house one month . . .
TT:  Right.
PR:  . . .or whatever.
TT:  Okay, and so about once a, once every five to six months you have a host of a group of a, a group six to ten people . . .
PR:  At your house, right, uh huh.
TT:  Okay. Now, is this just a dinner group, religious group . . .
PR:  Well, they’re, they all go to St. Johns so their, you know. . .
TT:  It’s not like you sit down and discuss the Bible while your eating dinner or anything like that.
PR:  No, it’s more social. Yeah.
TT:  It’s all social. Okay.
PR:  Yeah, uh huh, yeah.
TT:  About how many people were over at the house on the 13th?
PR:  Oh, you know, 50 or 60 maybe.
TT:  Okay. Quite a few then?
PR:  Yeah.
TT:  How many total, do you have an idea about how many total Foyer Groups there are? Are there about 10 groups then?
PR:  Probably yeah. Well, no. I think there are more than that, but I think, you know, not everybody came.
TT;  Okay.
PR:  I know there are a couple of pages worth, I think. I don’t, I don’t remember ever having counted them exactly.
TT:  Do, do you have a list of the people that were over to the house on the 13th?
PR:  No, but Carolyn Blyley probably does.
TT:  Over at St. Johns?
PR:  Yeah, she’s, she put it together. She just called me and asked me if I would have it at our house and I think, you know, I wouldn’t have to do anything just have my house . . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .she know I decorate a lot for Christmas and all that.
TT:  So you were just kind of the host house. . .
PR:  Right.
TT:  . . .invite everybody.
PR:  Right. She sent the invitations and all that.
TT:  Okay. Steve.

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  on Burke
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 07:28 PM - Forum: Burke Ramsey - bio - Replies (3)

TT:  Um, tell me about Burke’s normal bedtime routine before Christmas. How does, how does he normally go to bed.
PR:  Oh, he, he um, usually does his homework and then puts his pajamas on and sometimes reluctantly and . . .
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  He loves to watch Discovery so he tries to, but he’s suppose to be reading a half hour a night, so we would read to him a little bit or he would read to himself and so he was generally pretty good about going to bed.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  About 8:30 or so.
TT:  (Inaudible) About what time does he . . .
PR:  About 8:30, um hum.
TT:  Burke also has a TV in his room, right.
PR:  Well, the TV doesn’t really work. He used it for videos.
TT:  Okay. He also, what kind of videos was he playing?
PR:  He loves anything that has to do with airplanes. He has, you know, these flight instruction tapes and . . .
TT:  They’re flight, like flight simulator that flies . . .
PR:  No, mean like the real (inaudible) pilot tapes, you know, to learn how to fly.
TT:  Oh.
PR:  He like to watch those and.
TT:  Okay. So he’s looking at doing that as a kind of a hobby or something?
PR:  Oh yeah. He loves airplanes, like John.

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  on family finances
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 07:26 PM - Forum: John Ramsey - biography - No Replies

TT:  Okay. Kind of a, who handles the finances for the family, the checkbooks, pays the bills, that kind of stuff?
PR:  He does.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  Usually.
TT:  John takes care of all that kind of stuff?
PR:  Well, I have a checkbook that I write, you know, my kind of, the personal things, you know, like, whatever, housekeepers or household kind of stuff, you know, but, he usually does (inaudible).
TT:  And that’s, particularly what your talking about, that’s, those kind of personal . . .
PR:  You know like laundry . . .
TT:  . . .housekeeping stuff.
PR:  . . .and you know.
TT:  Is that the checkbook you wrote the check to Linda Hoffman out of?
PR:  Uh huh.
TT:  Okay. And that’s uh, she was going to borrow $2,000 is that right?
PR:  Right.
TT:  On uh, the, on Friday the 26th? That’s when she was due back in the house. Christmas was Wednesday.
PR:  Right. Oh yeah, I think that’s right, yeah.
TT:  Okay. Do you remember if you ever wrote her a check for that $2,000, because I know she talked about it.
PR:  Right. I don’t think I did, because I think, I was thinking about that as I walked down the stairs that morning, that I, oh, I’ve got to remember to leave that check.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  And then everything broke loose.
TT:  Okay. She never picked it up or anything. She never stopped by later and got the $2,000.
PR:  I don’t (paper rustling causes Patsy’s voice to be inaudible) left that day so I don’t know what happened.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  I mean I didn’t write the check, so.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  (Inaudible)
??:  (Inaudible) on the break.

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