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  Psychic thread
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 02:15 PM - Forum: Names to remember - Replies (1)

#1 -

Quote: 1997-04-21: STAR MAGAZINE: "JonBenet Names Her Killer: It's not who you think it is!"

Week of April 21, 1997:

The SUN's cover reads "JonBenet Names Her Killer: It's not who you think it is!"

"The man who murdered little beauty JonBenet is a Ted Bundy like drifter who stalked the six-year-old for months before making his murderous move and he will strike again very soon if he's not collared by cops. So warns America's top psychic investigator Warren Freiberg. The respected radio-TV medium got his description of the killer from the most knowledgeable source possible-the victim-during a chilling seance at his home in Munster, Indiana.

Like most Americans following the heartwrenching murder investigation, Freiberg expected the girl to name her father or mother as the one responsible for sending her to a tragically early grave. However, he soon found the friend is not only unrelated to JonBenet's family, but is also a depraved drifter who's ready to strike again hundreds of miles away from the little girl's home.

From JonBenet's description of the killer, Freiberg drew a mental image of a tall, handsome man with delicate facial features and a small scar above his left eye. The psychic tried to comfort the troubled youngster, but her voice grew even more harsh and quaking as she continued with the story of her last moments of life.

The hovering spirit spoke: I don't know how Jim got in my house, but I wasn't afraid because I had seen him at some of the pageants. I asked him where mommy was and his face changed. . .he scared me when he grabbed me by the arm and said, You're my child now! I started to cry, but he put his hand over my mouth. I could not talk or yell for mom or dad. Then he started to do things to me. . .things that hurt and made me cry more. Then he put a rope around my neck and I couldn't breathe. I tried to fight him and I prayed my mommy or anyone would come to help me. . .I was frightened and alone. I hoped he would let me go, but he didn't. Please make sure he never does what he did to me to anyone else. Hurry. . .Jim is making friends with anther little girl with blonde hair who enters beauty pageants like me.

Freiberg says that he sees the killer targeting another pretty six-year-old pageant contestant. I hope I'm wrong, but I see this sicko killing again by mid-July. The top psychic, who has assisted with dozens of police investigations in the past, believes there is a sharp Sun reader out there who will lead homicide detectives to this murderer known to JonBenet as Jim"

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  Lin Wood Responds to Dismissal of Lawsuit
Posted by: BIZ - 03-20-2017, 02:07 PM - Forum: What is in the news - staying up to date - No Replies

[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]http://www.westword.com/news/jonbenet-murder-claim-lawsuit-burke-ramseys-lawyer-rips-cbs-call-to-dismiss-8876611[/font]

[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]CBS has formally asked a court to dismiss a lawsuit filed on behalf of Burke Ramsey over a 2016 docuseries in which a team of analysts concluded that he'd murdered his sister, JonBenét Ramsey, in their Boulder home on Christmas Day 1996. In response, Ramsey family attorney Lin Wood summarily rejects the arguments made by CBS and Dr[/font]. Werner Spitz, a participant in the docuseries being sued separately for comments he made last September during a WWJ-AM/CBS Detroit interview publicizing the program.

"CBS and the other docuseries’ defendants have recently moved to dismiss Burke’s complaint on essentially the same basis that Dr. Spitz did previously, contending that their accusation against Burke is protected opinion when taken in context," notes the Atlanta-based Wood, corresponding via e-mail. "In both instances, the defense asserts, as it must, that no reasonable mind could have taken the accusation to be one of fact rather than a mere subjective opinion or hypothesis."

Wood feels otherwise.

"CBS — one of the most well-known news outlets in the world — put up seven 'experts' in a four-hour 'documentary' and marketed their 'true-crime' series as giving one 'complete theory' that 'solved' the case, all the while representing the series as a documentary," he maintains.

Specifically, Spitz and the other panelists on the program, titled The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey, concluded that Burke killed his sister with a blow to the head. The following image from the docuseries captures a reenactment; Spitz is seen at left.

[Image: dr.werner.spitz.two.youtube.jpg]Dr. Werner Spitz, left, watches as a child is called upon to act out a theory of how Burke Ramsey could have killed his sister, JonBenét, from the CBS program The Case of: JonBenét Ramsey.


In Wood's view, "It is difficult to understand how, in that context, the accusation against Burke could have been intended and received as anything but a factual accusation. And that is clearly what the viewer expected — a truthful and factual 'documentary' providing insight into this case."

Instead, as the lawsuit alleges, "CBS and the others consciously portrayed false, skewed and misrepresentative facts and recreations throughout the broadcast that stole from the viewers their ability to evaluate the murder of JonBenét Ramsey and CBS’s accusation against Burke," Wood allows. "For this reason, and the issue of objective fact or subjective opinion aside, I do not believe the First Amendment protects statements that are based on a false disclosed basis or an undisclosed and incomplete basis."

Wood also provides an update on the Spitz suit, which was filed in Michigan.

"We had a hearing...in Detroit on the defense’s motion to dismiss the case," he notes. "Interestingly, despite the defense having provided to the court a DVD of CBS’ documentary and stating it was 'central' to their opinion defense, Dr. Spitz never provided to the court a copy of his WWJ radio interview wherein he made the statements complained of in the lawsuit. When the court requested a copy at the hearing, it appeared to my team that his lawyers were reluctant to provide it to the court."

Nonetheless, Wood goes on, "that radio broadcast will be provided to the court and to me....  So we will know more about the context in which Dr. Spitz uttered his accusations against this young man in short order."

Click to read excerpts of Spitz's remarks.

Meanwhile, Wood stresses, he's determined to press forward with both court actions — and he's confident the dismissal calls won't prevail.
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]"As paradoxical as it may seem in light of the many exonerations of Burke by several public officials, Burke will continue his quest to prove his innocence in a court of law," he writes. "We do not expect the court to deny him that opportunity by ruling that these accusations are protected speech."[/font]

[font=San Francisco, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, .SFNSText-Regular, sans-serif]They can delete the tapes from [/font][font=San Francisco, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, .SFNSText-Regular, sans-serif]the[/font][font=San Francisco, -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, .SFNSText-Regular, sans-serif] internet and not produce them in court. But we have record of what was said:[/font]
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September 20th, 2016, 1:47 PM [/font]

[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]Share66[/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif][font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]Dr. Wener Spitz
A team of investigators, including Dr. Spitz, 89, a retired Wayne State University professor and world-renowned forensic pathologist, examined evidence in the 1996 slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey and concluded Monday night that brother Burke did it.[/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]The conclusion came on the CBS docu-series "The Case of: JonBenet Ramsey." [/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]CBS Detroit reports:[/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]On Monday night’s premiere of the series “The Case Of: JonBenét Ramsey,” Spitz forwarded a theory that Ramsey was killed by a heavy flashlight that was seen in crime scene photographs on the family’s kitchen counter top the next day. He showed through demonstrations on the CBS special that the fatal injury to the 6-year-old’s skull matched the flashlight’s outer rim, though no DNA was ever discovered on the device.[/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]JonBenet Ramsey[/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]The team included retired FBI profiler Jim Clemente and criminal behavioral analyst Laura Richards.[/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]The team believes the parents concocted a story to cover for their son. [/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]“If you really, really use your free time to think about this case, you cannot come to a different conclusion,” Spitz told CBS Detroit. “It’s the boy who did it, whether he was jealous, or mentally unfit or something … I don’t know the why, I’m not a psychiatrist, but what I am sure about is what I know about him, that is what happened here. And the parents changed the scene to make it look like something it wasn’t."[/font]
[font='San Francisco', -apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, '.SFNSText-Regular', sans-serif]Spitz has worked on a number of high profile cases over the decades including the assassinations of president John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr.[/font][/font]

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  Why bother?
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 01:02 PM - Forum: Reward offered until 12/31/2017 - No Replies

I have been told this is not going to be solved, why bother putting money aside for a reward when we are going to be living on just a bit less when I am paying for rewards, ads, Internet forums, travel....

Today I was going through an old story and Gaby Wood was talking about meeting with Michael Tracey - - and this section reminded me of exactly why.


When Tracey pulled the image out of the manila envelope, I thought it was one I had already seen - a close-up of JonBenet's neck, designed to show the garrotte and the marks thought to have been made by a stun gun. But I noticed Tracey only pulled half the picture out of the envelope. The photographs I had seen were not close-ups but crops of this one. On instinct, I reached for the photo and pulled it out a little further. JonBenet's face came into view. She was lying down, and shot in profile. Her mouth was slightly open, her eyes were closed. If the photo had been in black and white, so that her skin's bluish tinge was invisible, you might have thought that she was merely asleep - until your eyes were drawn down to the fine blonde hair trapped under the cord with which she had been strangled. I looked at this photograph only briefly; in an unforeseeable split second I felt suddenly, swimmingly sick. Tracey's voice became background noise. Come on, I told myself, you're not squeamish. But back she came, the seemingly sleeping child. I started to sweat.

Later, I realized what it was about the photo that had haunted me: it was so ordinary. Over the course of many conversations, I'd become accustomed to hearing of 'the garrotted neck', 'the fingernails', 'the blood in the underpants'; these things were never hers. And the infamous pageant photos, haunting in their own perverse, made-up way, put her at several removes from herself. So in our minds she seems to have gone from icon to crime-lab fodder without passing through the most obvious and fundamental incarnation. I expected her body to look unrecognizable in some way, to be bloody or obscured or overly clinical. The last thing I expected it to be was what she was: a little girl.

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  Gaby Wood
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 12:22 PM - Forum: Names to remember - Replies (3)

on a lot of people

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  relating to John Mark Karr
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 12:00 PM - Forum: Michael Tracey - Replies (4)

First, let me say I admire Michael Tracey for doing everything in his power to see this case solved.  Including dealing with John Mark Karr.

Then let me say I am sorry he didn't include me in his efforts with JMK because I really would have been more impartial and told him the guy was lying.  He has JonBenét being injured in ways she was not - - and he missed some things we knew to be fact.  (The stun gun)  AND, he had some other mistakes - like where she was killed - he said it was next to the broken window and it was at the other end of the basement that she wet herself - - he was just wrong.

So Tracey was wrong about Karr - - and he made a few other mistakes as well.  But at least he tried to advance the investigation and for that he gets brownie points in the next life.

This thread is going to be about Tracey and the emails he exchanged with John Mark Karr.    They are not as bad as the taped phone conversations, but I post to let others see just what JMK was saying.

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  John on Christmas Morning....
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 03-20-2017, 10:41 AM - Forum: Christmas Day, 1996 - Replies (3)

John Ramsey on Christmas Morning... 

DOI (HB) Page 5:

"While the kids played with their gifts, Patsy and I went to the kitchen to prepare our traditional Christmas morning breakfast of pancakes, bacon, corn beef hash, and hash browns. I usually made the pancakes, so I got all the ingredients together while Patsy set the table and cooked the rest of the breakfast. JonBenet always loved to get into the act and was right under my elbows, standing on a stool by the stove, to help pour the pancake batter. She normally liked to make a Mickey Mouse shape and decorate it at the table with fruit and raisins to make the face come to life, but there wasn't time for that on this Christmas Day. Too many new things to play with. Burke came to the table just long enough to eat a bite. As far as he was concerned, eating got in the way of playing."

07-09-1998 A&E Documentary
'Who Killed JonBenet’
By Michael Tracy and David Mills

John Ramsey: "She was a spark-plug in our family. She was a ball of energy. That's just something you can't not remember."

Man: "Christmas morning, 1996. On that day, JonBenet woke early."

John Ramsey: "I can remember Burke and JonBenet running up to our bed to get us up. The little kids would pass out the gifts to whoever they were for and we would go around the room and open each gift – We did that that morning."

Man: "This is the next to last photograph of JonBenet. John Ramsey took it that morning."

John Ramsey: "JonBenet had gotten a bicycle that Christmas and we played most of the day. We were going to go out to dinner and I remember we were trying to get everybody organized to leave and JonBenet was on her bike and wanted me to take her around the block. I said, no - no we don't have time, we'll do this later. She said, "Oh Daddy please," and I can remember that and that kind of hurts because we didn't do that."

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  Ramsey Christmas letter, 1996
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 03-20-2017, 10:17 AM - Forum: Christmas Day, 1996 - Replies (2)

Ramsey family Christmas Letter, 1996

Dear Friends & Family,

It's been another busy year at the Ramsey household. Can't believe its almost over and time to start again!

Melinda (24) graduated from Medical College of Georgia and is working in Pediatric ICU at Kennestone Hospital in Atlanta. John Andrew (20) is a Sophomore at the University of Colorado.

Burke is a busy fourth grader where he really shines in math and spelling. He played flag football this fall and is currently on a basketball binge! His little league team was #1. He's lost just about all of his baby teeth, so I'm sure we'll be seeing the orthodontist in 1997!

JonBenet is enjoying her first year in 'real school.' Kindergarten in the Core Knowledge program is fast paced and five full days a week. She has already been moved ahead to first grade math. She continues to enjoy participating in talent and modeling pageants. She was named "America's Royale Tiny Miss" last summer and is Colorado's Little Miss Christmas. Her teacher says she is so outgoing that she will never have trouble delivering an oral book report!

John is always on the go travelling hither and yon. Access recently celebrated its one billion $$ mark in sales, so he's pretty happy! He and his crew were underway in the Port Huron to Mackinac Island yacht race in July, but had to pull out mid way due to lack of wind. (Can you believe that?) But, his real love is the new 'old looking' boat, Grand Season, which he spent months designing.

I spend most of my 'free time' working in the school and doing volunteer work. The Charlevoix house was on the home tour in July and will likely appear in one of the Better Homes & Gardens publications in 1997. On a recent trip to NYC, my friend and I appeared amid the throng of fans on the TODAY show. Al Roker & Bryant actually talked to us and we were on camera for a few fleeting moments!

We are all enjoying continued good health and look forward to seeing you in 1997! One final note ... thank you to all my 'friends' and my dear husband for surprising me with the biggest, most outrageous 40th birthday bash I've ever had! We'll be spending my actual birthday on the Disney Big Red Boat over the new year!

Merry Christmas and much love,
The Ramseys

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  List of Christmas gifts... 1996
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 03-20-2017, 10:14 AM - Forum: Christmas Day, 1996 - Replies (1)

List of Christmas gifts... 1996

Burke got Nintendo64 · (DOI- page 2)
Burke got a remote control car · (DOI- page 3)
John got a gumball machine · (DOI- page 4)
JonBenet got a bicycle · (DOI- page 2)
JonBenet got a My Twinn Doll ·( DOI- pages 3, 4, 32, 242)
JonBenet got a gold bracelet · ( DOI- page 344)
JonBenet got a ring from Nedra ·( National Enquirer book- page 51)
JonBenet got a necklace from Pam · ( NE book page -51)
Patsy got a bicycle · (DOI- page 3)
Patsy got green paper ornament · ( DOI- page 274)

March 18th,2000
Death of Innocence 

DOI Page 274:

"Then Haney asked if I remembered what JonBenet had gotten me for Christmas, and I became very emotional. I remembered a little green construction paper ornament JonBenet had made in her class at school. When I had opened it on December 25, 1996, I saw her school picture with the message: "your gift is ME." How true, how very, very true. I had thought the ornament was lost in the shuffle, but Trip DeMuth assured me they had it in their possession. Of all the hundreds of items that were confiscated from both of our homes, that is the one item I most want returned."

DOI Page 344:

"I had given her a tiny gold bracelet on the evening of December 23, 1996, placing it on her wrist in much the same way Mike was doing now. It was the evening of our family Christmas party, and since she was all dressed up, I had decided to let her open the gift early so she could wear it during the holiday. The bracelet was inscribed with her name on the front and on the back with the date she was actually supposed to receive it: 12-25-96. I hope I can someday get that bracelet back. It's part of the vast number of items still in police custody."

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  Patsy on Christmas morning
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 03-20-2017, 10:07 AM - Forum: Christmas Day, 1996 - Replies (3)

Excerpts from National Enquirer book, "JonBenet, The Police Files" by Don Gentile and David Wright

1997 April 30 - Taped Interrogation interview of Patsy Ramsey by Steve Thomas and Tom Trujillo in Colorado

NE Book Page 41: 

Tom Trujillo: "Actually, let's start back on the morning of the 25th, um, let's kind of break it down into small hours. What time did you guys get up that morning?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Early"

Tom Trujillo: "Before sunrise?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Six-ish probably."

Tom Trujillo: "Okay. Patsy, take through, say, the first three hours of, of Christmas morning with you and John and Burke and JonBenet. Kind of, kind of in a by minute, step-by-step of what you guys did for the first couple or three hours."

Patsy Ramsey: "Well, we went down the stairs and passed out Christmas presents."

Tom Trujillo: "About how long did it take you to pass out Christmas presents? I know you talked about you kind of did it slowly.."

Patsy Ramsey: "Yeah."

Tom Trujillo: "About how long did that take?"

Patsy Ramsey: "I don't know. Hour, maybe... I mean to pass them out and opening them. I try to get everybody to take turns, you know. Of course, their piles are bigger than my pile so... they open two or three and then I open one..."

Tom Trujillo: "What did you guys do after you open the presents up?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Uh, I think we made pancakes."

Tom Trujillo: "Okay. Had some breakfast? Um, about how long did it take to eat breakfast?"

Patsy Ramsey: "I don't know, a half hour."

Tom Trujillo: "After, after breakfast how did the family split? What did you guys do?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Oh, the kids were just playing with their stuff, you know, and I was, I don't remember exactly... I was, you know, trying to get clothes ready to go two different places. I remember that.. And then a bunch of kids started showing up to, you know, they want to see what each other got and, you know. Burke set up his Nintendo, Nintendo 64 and..."

Tom Trujillo: "During the early morning hours, the morning hours before the kids got there, did everybody go and get dressed, I take it?"

Patsy Ramsey: "At some point in the day, yeah."

Tom Trujillo: "During the day, about what time did, uh, John go down to the hanger and check on the plane?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Oh, I don't know. I don't know, lunchtime, after lunch, I, I don't remember."

Tom Trujillo: "Okay, did you have lunch that day?"

Patsy Ramsey: "I'm sure we did."

Tom Trujillo: "Okay. Do you have any idea about, what did you have for lunch?
Patsy Ramsey: "I don't remember."

Tom Trujillo: "About how long was John gone when he went out to check on the plane?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Oh, probably a couple of hours."

Tom Trujillo: "So he left about noon, afternoon sometime. Gone till two, 3:00 in the afteroon?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Um, yeah."

Tom Trujillo: "Okay. And were... kids over to the house that whole time playing with John, excuse me, JonBenet and Burke?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Uh, a better part of that day, I would say."

Tom Trujillo: "Okay. Did, uh, did Burke and JonBenet play together during that time? Did the little girls and little boys mix up at all?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Yeah."

Tom Trujillo: "Play together."

Patsy Ramsey: "Yeah, they were all, yeah, a lot of them were in Burke's room playing that Nintenedo and she was, I remember coming up there and checking on them and they were, the boys were mostly sitting around playing the Nintendo and she was, had this little jewelry making kit right there in the, in the doorway of Burke's room... so I made a couple with her."

Excerpts from National Enquirer book, "JonBenet, The Police Files" by Don Gentile and David Wright

04/30/97 - Taped Interrogation interview of Patsy Ramsey by Steve Thomas and Tom Trujillo in Colorado

NE Book Page 47:

Tom Trujillo: "Okay. Got home about 8:30, 9:00. What's the first thing you guys do when you got home that night? Actually, let me step back. Befofe you got home, you went over to.."

Patsy Ramsey: "Walkers and dropped off a little gift... and Stines and dropped off a little gift and drove home and JonBenet was asleep. She had fallen asleep in the car."

Tom Trujillo: "Did you have to wake her up to get her inside or..?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Well, she was just really zonked and John carried her up to her room... and, I, uh, you know, ran up behind him and, or in front of him, I can't remember. Maybe, or it might have been in front of him to turn the bed down. And he laid her down and I got her undressed and put her, I left her shirt on her and, uh, went to the bathroom and tried to find some pajama pants and all I could find was some, like long underwear pants... and put those on."

Tom Trujillo: "What color of top did she wear to bed that night. What color top was she wearing actually to the Whites' house like?

Patsy Ramsey: "Well, she wore this little outfit that I had gotten her at the Gap. We had a little, little riff over that 'cause I wanted her to wear, I was wearing a red sweater and I wanted her to wear this red sweater with her black velvet pants, 'cause I was wearing black velvet pants and it was Christmas and all that. And she didn't want to wear the red shirt just because I was wearing it. She wanted to wear the shirt that went with the outfit which was a Gap out fit that I had bought her when we went shopping for her and it was a little white, kind of neck like this.."

Tom Trujillo: "Kind of a crew neck?"

Patsy Ramsey: "...Crew neck and it had a little, little rhinestone, little kind of sequin kind of star thing on it."

Tom Trujillo: "Okay."

Patsy Ramsey: "So I just left that on her."

Tom Trujillo: "Okay. And I'm sorry. What kind of pants, what color of pants...?"

Patsy Ramsey: "They were black velvet. Black velvet jeans, kind of like, from the Gap. Some little black velvet vest."

Tom Trujillo: "And what were you wearing Patsy, a, a red turtleneck and black...?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Velvet jeans, yeah."

Tom Trujillo: "Okay."

Patsy Ramsey: "Velvet pants. And I have a Christmas sweater I was wearing."

Tom Trujillo: "And what color was that?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Red with all kinds of..."

Tom Trujillo: "And that was over the turtleneck?"

Patsy Ramsey: "Yeah."

Tom Trujillo: "..When you say you wore black velvet jeans, were those like a, a, were they a jean material..?"

Patsy Ramsey: "No, they're, no, no, no. They're black velvet."

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  Burke Ramsey OWN WORDS ! Dr Phil Show
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 03-20-2017, 09:53 AM - Forum: 911 call - Replies (3)

Burke Ramsey denied he was on the 911  call  Patsy placed after she found a ransom note and realized that her daughter was missing.

During the conversation, Dr. Phil brings up the call, and asks Burke, who was 9 years old at the time of the murder, if he's heard of it.

Burke: Oh, it's been brought up a bunch of times, because they think I'm on it or something.
Dr. Phil: Where were you during the phone call?
Burke: In my bed.
Dr. Phil: How do you know?
Burke: I don't remember getting up until my dad came in there.
Dr. Phil (to John Ramsey): Where was Burke?
John: We checked his bedroom immediately, he was asleep in bed. That was pure fiction.

The 911 operator who received Patsy Ramsey's call that night claims to have heard voices  on the other end of the line during the call, and speculation has spread around wondering if Burke's was one of them. John and Patsy Ramsey were cleared of suspicion in the case years ago.

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