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  Lies told to media
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 11:56 AM - Forum: Misleading the media - Replies (7)

We know Charlie Brenna was mislead and reversed himself more than once saying he had believed sources who had not been wrong in other stories.

He published that there were no footprints in the snow - - but the crime scene photos showed there was little to no snow on the south side of the house.

He published that John had been the pilot in the flight to Atlanta - but he was wrong there as well.

Use this thread to show examples like that.

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  Odd quotes
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 11:31 AM - Forum: Fleet and Priscilla White - No Replies

“Fleet White came in to talk to me and Beckner,” Koby told Hunter. “White wants you off the case. He says you leaked stuff to one of the tabloids after you met with him last year.” Hunter remained silent. “He’s on the warpath, and he’s threatening to see the attorney general.” Koby said that White refused to cooperate with the police as long as Hunter was still on the case. In one conversation with detectives, White had even teased the officers: “What would you say if I told you the Ramseys owned Hi-Tec shoes?”

Perfect Murder, Perfect Town, Lawrence Schiller, page 593

My comment - Imagine being John and Patsy Ramsey  and being told Fleet White would not speak to you, had ignored your letters to them, but were chummy with BORG police like Steve Thomas - - and now he was wanting to have the DA (who was honestly on the fence, not choosing sides) to be removed!

And imagine being the parents who knew their 9 year old never owned a set of those boots - - being told the "friend" was "teasing" with such possibilities?

This reminds me of .... well, let's just say I can imagine Thomas telling the Whites they really, honestly, PROMISE they had evidence the ramseys did it but the stubborn killers just were refusing to be browbeaten in an interrogation and... oh, it might help if they know you are going to tell the truth - - even if it isn't - - if they think you accept they did it - - they might confess.  Just help us out.  Can you say you know they owned Hi-Tec boots?

In Fleet White's deposition, he did NOT say the Ramseys owned Hi-Tec boots.  Wish that was all public, it is not.  But he never said that as a fact, far from it.  So I think this "tease", if true, was said out of frustration.  He believed Thomas had evidence, he was not trying to lie but couldn't quite tell the truth, either.

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  the broken glass and suitcase
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 11:21 AM - Forum: Broken window/ Spider web - Replies (1)

JOHN RAMSEY:  So I went down to the basement. I went into this room with Fleet. I explained to him that this window had been cracked open and I closed it. That the window was broken, but I think it was broken by me once before. We got down on our hands and knees looking for some glass just to see.
LOU SMIT: What did you find?
JOHN RAMSEY: I think we found a few fragments of glass not enough to indicate that it was a fresh break.
LOU SMIT: What did you do with those fragments?
JOHN RAMSEY: We might have put them on the ledge, if I remember. It really wasn't much. We had only found one or two. We might have put them up here on the ledge.
LOU SMIT: Could you have put them on the suitcase?
JOHN RAMSEY: Ahhhh, it's possible but I don't remember doing that.
LOU SMIT: Was the suitcase, when you came back, in the same spot it was when you had been?
JOHN RAMSEY: I think I moved it to see or to look for glass then. But I think it was where I left it, where it was when I was down there before.

John Ramsey, 1998 interview

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  Posts that might be found in MAD Magazine
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-07-2017, 11:08 AM - Forum: Absolutely insane posts - mostly by BORG - Replies (14)

[Image: quote_icon.png] Originally Posted by Curiousmind48 [Image: viewpost-right.png]

Has anyone considered the possibility that jonbenet tried to kill herself that night, that she was so distraught that she stood on a chair and tied a rope around her own neck? I know she was only six, but even young children can be pushed to a certain limit and crack. Could patsy have found her daughter almost dead from strangulation and because that would blow the illusion of a perfect family, further staging might have taken place. Or the rope was so tight, it would not come off and it was clear she was in great distress and dying. Could someone have finished the job as a way to end her suffering? Of course, that doesn't explain the head injury. I dont believe an intruder was involved, but will say, the simplest explanation is often the right one.

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  I met Rol
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-06-2017, 05:42 PM - Forum: Rol Hoverstock - No Replies

Father Rol Hoverstock

Pastor at St. John's Episcopal Church, 1419 Pine Street, Boulder, CO.




I personally met with Rol Hoverstock and talked to him about the murder of JonBenét and the later suspicion of her parents.  He clearly didn't want to give a "media" interview but agreed to meet with me and was very gracious.  He said JonBenét was a beautiful child, he couldn't imagine how anyone could have hurt her like they did.  He also said he was positive that her parents had done NOTHING to harm their daughter and never would have.  He felt they were being mistreated by the media and the police. 

He was clearly shook up when speaking about the day he got the call and was at the house when JonBenét's body was found.  He described the pain in that house that day and how overwhelming it was for ALL concerned, from the family to the friends to the officers who, as he reminded me, are only human too.

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  obituary
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-06-2017, 05:31 PM - Forum: Rol Hoverstock - No Replies

Rol Hoverstock, beloved minister and cyclist, dies in Boulder at 73
Holstock offered counsel to thousands, including family of JonBenét Ramsey
By Alex Burness
Staff Writer
Posted:   10/02/2015 08:08:12 PM MDT | Updated:   about a year ago


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Father Rol Hoverstock, longtime minister at St. John's Episcopal Church in Boulder, conducting the Blessing of the Animals to honor St Francis in 2003. He died Thursday. (Cliff Grassmick / Staff photographer)

Father Rol Hoverstock, longtime minister at St. John's Episcopal Church in downtown Boulder, and former owner of the iconic University Hill bike shop The Spoke, died late Thursday night. He was 73.
According to friends, Hoverstock had battled illness for months, and was admitted to hospice earlier this week. He died with his wife, Bea, and children, Molly and Joe, beside him.
"This is extremely sad news for everyone who knew and loved Rol," said Susan Springer, St. John's Rector, in a statement to the congregation. "He was friend, confidante, priest, mentor and companion on the way."
In his church capacity, clergy members say, Hoverstock was an effective, fair-minded leader.
"He got things done without invoking people's dislike or anger or anything like that," said Richard Collins, St. John's member and University of Colorado law professor.
Hoverstock was not an iconoclast — his views were consistent with the doctrine of the church, friends say — but he was a calm, reassuring voice to all types of people seeking his wisdom.
"I think he was so respected because he was so respecting to other people," friend Ginny Pine said. "Very strong in his faith, but very open to everybody."
Among those who sought his counsel were John and Patsy Ramsey, parents of JonBenét.
Not long after JonBenét's body was found inside the Ramsey's 15th Street home Dec. 26, 1996, Hoverstock led family and friends who were there in the Lord's Prayer.


"That was something that was a challenge, certainly, to his early years at St. John's," university classmate and lifelong friend David Cass said. "The press attention was a strain."
Hoverstock never spoke to the media about the case.
Prior to becoming a leader at St. John's in the mid-90s, he was a kid living outside Buffalo, N.Y., dreaming of going west for college. So, he enrolled at the University of Colorado.
"I think he just liked the idea of getting away from New York, and he loved it here," Cass said.
After college, he served in the AmeriCorps VISTA program in Florida. It was one of only two stints outside Colorado in his adult life; the other was to study in a South Dakota ministry.
One day in Florida, Cass was ushering a wedding, and he invited Hoverstock. There, Hoverstock met Bea, and the two remained together until his death.
In the late 70s and early 80s, Hoverstock co-owned The Spoke bicycle shop inside the University Hill space now occupied by Buchanan's coffeeshop.
Doug Emerson, who now owns University Bicycles on Pearl St., said Hoverstock would lead his employees on bike rides after close. The store, he said, was ahead of its time.
"This was back when most of the country was used to Schwinn stores," Emerson said. "The Spoke was a real pro's shop — Italian bicycles, British bicycles. He had the kind of stuff you didn't find in the U.S."
In whatever he did, loved ones say, he carried a strong belief in humanity, and always seemed to know the right thing to say, in any situation.
"He was an awesome man," friend Jim Bliley said. "He was loving, caring, and, in his own way, charismatic.
"He attracted people because of his love and humility as a person. He could always find the soft spot."
No memorial service has been announced yet, but St. John's has said it will update the community if and when a public one is scheduled.

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  new testing?
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-05-2017, 05:03 PM - Forum: DNA - more technical discussions - Replies (1)

(CNN)Authorities in Colorado are going to use new DNA testing technology in one of America's most famous unsolved murder cases.

But don't expect it to lead to an arrest in the 20-year-old JonBenet Ramsey case in the near future.
The Colorado Bureau of investigation is opening a new DNA testing facility in 2017 and will next year use new technology in the JonBenet case -- as well as other cold cases.




Boulder County District Attorney Stan Garnett told CNN's Jean Casarez that he expects the DNA testing results will be "not significant and not a big deal."
Garnett stressed the JonBenet investigation is much more than a DNA case. Any new results will only be significant if they can be matched with other evidence authorities already have.

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As he told CNN affiliate KMGH: "To ever have a prosecutable case, we have to have several different pieces of evidence come together."




Garnett told CNN that his office along with the Boulder Police Department meets periodically with the Colorado Bureau of Investigation as they continue to keep up with the changes in DNA testing.
The district attorney said he isn't sure whether they will use DNA from pieces of evidence or only re-test results they already have.
Boulder police officials said they will only have comments if there is new information to be announced.
JonBenet's body was found in on December 26, 1996, in the basement of the family's home in Boulder, hours after her mother discovered a handwritten, three-page ransom note.
JonBenet was found with a garrote fashioned out of rope embedded deep into her neck. The same rope was around one of her wrists. At the end of the garrote was a broken paintbrush that appeared to be from the art set of her mother Patsy Ramsey.
Her father, John Ramsey, said he removed duct tape from her mouth when he found his 6-year-old girl.
Two years after JonBenet's killing, with the case not close to being solved, Boulder's district attorney convened a grand jury in 1998.
At the conclusion of the proceedings 13 months later, then-Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter convened a press conference broadcast live nationwide.
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In 2008 there were new forensic findings. Unknown male DNA had been found on the waistband of JonBenet's long johns. Earlier tests had found unknown male DNA on the crotch of her underwear. The two samples matched or "were consistent" with each other, according to testing done by forensic scientist Dr. Angela Williamson.

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  information gleaned from other crimes
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-05-2017, 03:46 PM - Forum: Head Injury - No Replies

Charise Walker was 5 years old when she was murdered by a neighbor.

"...members of the search party were in the woods, searching with flashlights. They spotted her clothes first, "hanging from a briar about twenty or thirty feet" from a, place where "the leaves and all [on the ground] had been torn up.

William Sharpe described her location:
She was kinda in a thicket like, with briars and bushes. . . . It looked like her clothes were thrown in and she was thrown in behind them.
At this point, she was still alive, although horribly injured. Danny Watts testified:
When I got to the woods there was about four or five men standing around the little girl. I got between them -- I got on my knees where she was at. She had blood running out of both ears. She had blood running out of her mouth and nose. She had been beaten up around the head. Her leg had a bone sticking up -- not sticking through the skin but it was sticking up, you could see a big lump there.
. . . I tried to keep the blood from running out of her ears. I kept wiping it. It was coming out of her mouth and nose. I kept wiping her, and the paramedics finally arrived.
Charise was taken to the hospital, but she died from her injuries. Dr. Larry Howard performed the autopsy. Her anus and her vagina had been penetrated by something consistent in size and shape with a male sex organ. Both the vaginal and the anal tracts were lacerated internally. Her leg was broken, and her face bore a pattern lesion that was "highly suggestive" of having been caused by a belt buckle. Her whole head had been subjected to "severe impact injury and her skull was fractured in two places." Dr. Howard testified that Charise died as the result of injuries to the head.
Pruitt was interrogated by law enforcement officers after his arrest. He admitted taking the girl into the woods and attempting to have sex with her but claimed that because of her small size he was unsuccessful. He admitted hitting her with his fist when she began screaming"

Note the amount of bleeding from this head injury.

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  Francine Knox killed 7 month old nephew
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-05-2017, 02:26 PM - Forum: Stun Gun - No Replies

A Baby's Stun-Gun Death -  May 28, 1994



PEORIA, Ill., Nov. 24— A woman was charged on Wednesday with killing her 7-month-old nephew with an electric stun gun in an effort to stop his crying. The accused, Francine Knox, 37, who was also the foster mother of the baby, Brandon Jordan, repeatedly used the stun gun "to silence the child as he cried through the night," the authorities said. Stun guns, box-shaped weapons with two small metal prongs that typically transmit a 50,000-volt charge, are used by some police departments to temporarily disable violent suspects.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Francine Knox, 37, was charged with manslaughter Wednesday in the May 28 death of Brandon Jordan.

Knox was not charged immediately because authorities were investigating other cases and the effects of stun guns on children, officials said.

The infant was the son of Knox's brother, Anthony Jordan Jr., and Carolyn Hollins. After the couple lost custody of their four children, Brandon was placed in Knox's care.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Foster Mother Gets 14 Years in Stun-Gun Death of Nephew
PEORIA, Ill. - A Peoria woman convicted of electrocuting her baby nephew
with a stun gun because he would not stop crying has been sentenced to 14 years
in prison.
Francine Knox, 38, was convicted in June of involuntary manslaughter,
aggravated battery of a child and child endangerment in the May 28, 1994, death
of 7-month-old Brandon Jordan.
She was the boy's foster mother. He was born to a cocaine-addicted
sister-in-law of Knox.
Prosecutors said Knox first tried to quiet Brandon with cough and cold
medicine. When that did not work, Knox, irritated and sleep-deprived, stunned
the boy as he sat in a car seat in her bedroom about 2 a.m., prosecutors said.
Defense lawyers claimed any of five other people in the home at the time
could have killed the boy, and claimed police failed to properly investigate
the possibility.
Knox said at Wednesday's sentencing that she is "proud of my children and
everything I've done with them." She named several, including her daughter and
about 10 foster children she has cared for over the years. She did not mention
Brandon.

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  Who are the BORG?
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-05-2017, 08:50 AM - Forum: We Are the BORG. - Replies (3)

In Star Trek, they are a group known for taking over other thriving communities.  Individuals in those communities are forced to be "assimilated" into the BORG, they are implanted with nanoprobes and become drones who are not allowed to question or debate their host. 

From Wikipedia:

Borg Collective[edit]

Also referred to as the "hive mind" or "collective consciousness", the Borg Collective is a civilization with a group mind. Each Borg individual, or drone, is linked to the collective by a sophisticated subspace network that ensures each member is given constant supervision and guidance. The collective is broadcast over a subspace domain similar to that used by the transporter. Being part of the collective offers significant biomedical advantages to the individual drones. The mental energy of the group consciousness can help an injured or damaged drone heal or regenerate damaged body parts or technology. The collective consciousness not only gives them the ability to "share the same thoughts", but also to adapt with great speed to defensive tactics used against them.


In the Ramsey saga, it isn't much different.  There started out being different theories and different groups were forming, one, the Ramsey supports, was a very small group.  Lots were on the fence and then there were the ones who just believed it had to be the parents.  They started out being just a group with an opinion, but it wasn't long before that became an agenda.  Other posters were more than encouraged to adopt that theory - and if they did not they were criticized, shunned, attacked themselves and sometimes just banned from forums.



 The "hive mind" or "collective consciousness", the Borg Collectiv group mind is found in the Ramsey ynch mob.

 Each Borg individual, or drone, is linked to the collective by a sophisticated subspace network called the Internet.  Each member is given constant supervision and guidance, told where to post, where not to post, where to read, where not to read.  WHAT not to read.  WHO not to read.

Most members of the Ramsey BORG, for example, have been advised not to read pro-Ramsey books as they might get confused.  They can't read this forum because they may get educated and lose their BORG footing.

Being part of the BORG offers significant emotional advantages to the individual drones. The mental energy of the group consciousness can help an injured or damaged drone heal by assuring them they are right. (Steve Thomas is a good man, he is right and he believes.  or Hell, CBS even showed Burke hitting her in the head!)

The collective consciousness not only gives them the ability to "share the same thoughts", but also to adapt with great speed to defensive tactics used against them.  Like being in a gang (When you're a Jet, you're a Jet all the way.)  they join forces and intentionally try to "take down" those who wouldn't be assimilated.  (Those who read everything and made educated efforts to find the truth.)

Lou Smit recognized the online (and BOULDER) lynch mob as a BORG type civilization - - he shared that with me and I adopted the term.

That is who BORG is.

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