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  Melinda Ramsey
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 01-28-2017, 03:45 PM - Forum: other family members - Replies (1)

Melinda Ramsey 

 John Ramseys daughter from his first marriage.  She was officially cleared as a suspect.
~~~~~~~~~

Melinda Ramsey speaking about  her step mother, Patsy Ramsey in "JonBenet's Mother, The Tragedy and the Truth by   Linda McLean


I've never called her mother, because I already have a wonderful mother; I call her Patsy. But I think of her as my "special mom". I first met Patsy when I was 7 or 8 years old, after my parents had been divorced for a couple of years. For some reasons, one of my first impressions was that she seemed so full of energy. As we got to know each other, we grew very close and still are. We are not related by blood but we are related by love.

"Patsy was always so much fun to be around! I vividly remember the family playing Bingo and Charades together. When it was our birthday, she always made a fuss. This was our "special day' and the birthday child was the center of attention. Patsy was always interested in whatever I was doing at school. I remember when I ran for student council in junior high, she helped me make posters and buttons and practice my speech. Patsy always thinks of others. She always puts other people's feelings, wants and needs above her own. It makes her happy to make other people happy. And that's what makes her so special.

I've never called her mother, because I already have a wonderful mother; I call her Patsy. But I think of her as my "special mom". I first met Patsy when I was 7 or 8 years old, after my parents had been divorced for a couple of years. For some reasons, one of my first impressions was that she seemed so full of energy. As we got to know each other, we grew very close and still are. We are not related by blood but we are related by love.

Patsy was always so much fun to be around! I vividly remember the family playing Bingo and Charades together. When it was our birthday, she always made a fuss. This was our "special day' and the birthday child was the center of attention. Patsy was always interested in whatever I was doing at school. I remember when I ran for student council in junior high, she helped me make posters and buttons and practice my speech. Patsy always thinks of others. She always puts other people's feelings, wants and needs above her own. It makes her happy to make other people happy. And that's what makes her so special.

I know it's hard to be a step-parent. You are somewhere in the middle - like a "fill-in". But Patsy was always genuinely glad to see us; she treated us like her own children. It meant a lot to me as a child when she introduced me to people as "my daughter, Melinda". She didn't make the distinction of step-child. But she also didn't cross the line and try to become our mother. She didn't discipline us. For my upcoming wedding, she and my mother are working as a team. Patsy helped Mom select the invitations and organize my engagement party. I know I am fortunate to have a family like this

On day as we were driving in the car, Dad asked, "What would you think about having another brother or sister?" It really caught me off-guard and I was shocked; I guess I just never thought about it. But I was really happy and when Burke and JonBenét were born, it was so exciting! They were both so much fun to be around. Burke liked to play with John Andrew, always looking for him to play matchbook cars, etc. JonBenét and I liked to paint together or play dress up. Each year we colored Easter eggs and we had a Christmas tradition of baking cookies together.

Since I grew up in Georgia, I wasn't used to snow. One day in Boulder, there were little patches of snow on the ground and JonBenet went out to "build a snowman". I soon realized it would be almost impossible to do this with the little bit of snow that was left. But JonBenet was determined. "I know we can do it!" And so, of course, we worked and worked until we had a two-foot-high snowman. I'd do anything to make her happy.

One of my strongest memories is how she always ran to greet me. Her pig tails were flying, her hands were outstretched and she screamed, "Be-winda, Be-winda." It is this memory that I cherish the most.

It breaks my heart to see these horrible accusations being made about Dad and Patsy. They are wonderful parents! Patsy helped raise Beth and John Andrew and me. I watched them with Burke and JonBenet. I know! And yet people who don't know them who have never even met them, are saying absolutely horrible things! They have no right to!!

I'm their daughter. I've lived under the same roof as them. I've had the same parents as JonBenet. I have such a hard time understanding why the public refuses to believe me -- why my word just isn't enough. 

I'm glad Dad and Patsy are strong people. They have withstood a lot and they can withstand this too. But it isn't fair. It just isn't fair.

(Melinda was crying as the interview ended)

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  A thread on the book
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 11:11 AM - Forum: JonBenét's Mother - the Tragedy and the Truth - Replies (5)

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonbenet...E5Q1BVDTA6

Includes lots of quotes

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  Shirley Brady - Georgia nanny
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 11:08 AM - Forum: Burke Ramsey - bio - No Replies

Published in the Boulder Camera - January 10th, 1997

This is an awful way to start a new year after you get "Happy New Year" wishes from everyone.

I really don't feel happy and I wonder, how long will this sadness last? I never expected such a tragedy as little JonBenet's murder. Although I have not seen her since she was a baby, I have talked to her mother several times. I'll always remember the family as kind, good people; a soft-spoken father who is kind and loving, and his children are his life, and a beautiful mother who is always radiant. She's the only woman I've ever seen who comes to breakfast in her housecoat and looks like a ray of sunshine.

I was the housekeeper and nanny to their little son who was born while I was there. Both are devoted parents and I was crazy about Burke. I used to rock him to sleep; he loved Handel's Messiah's "Halleluiah Chorus." I have in my heart and mind so many happy memories of the whole family including grandparents and aunts. The oldest children had so much grace and class, so well behaved and refined.

When I saw that little coffin and the grieving parents, I was stunned. Who could do such a violent, crazy deed? It is plain insanity for anyone to even think a family member would have done it. After Mr. Ramsey's oldest daughter died, JonBenet was his salvation to go on from his sorrow, loosing his oldest.

Burke adored his little sister. When I babysat, I watched him playing with her when she woke up. He would tell me she woke up so I could change her. He always was a highly motivated, intelligent child. He figured out at 5 months in his walker, how to unscrew every doorknob in his kitchen. I used to call him "Super Kid." I took him to the piano and took his little finger to play: "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star." He enjoyed it at least five minutes, which is a long time for a six months old. He loved for me to read to him. I could write a book about them, titled "The Love of One Family."

I was asked how Mr. Ramsey is taking all the tragedies in his life. I said he has a tremendous inner strength - he is like the Rock of Gibralter. He will never ever forget it, but he lets God comfort him in the belief, what He does, he accepts it. Mrs. Ramsey is the same. When you have two people loving each other like they do, nothing can come between them. They share tragedies together.

Finally, as I wrote in their card:

God gave you JonBenet for a little while. Now she is in heaven, in the sunshine of God's smile.

God bless all of you for supporting them.

SHIRLEY BRADY

Americus, Ga.

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  The small hidden room
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 10:28 AM - Forum: Disproving Myths - Replies (8)

Man: Then another story appeared - The room where JonBenet was found was so hidden, whoever murdered her knew the house - even the mayor of Boulder said so.

Mayor: By all reports, there were no visible signs of forced entry. The body was found in a place
where people are saying, someone had to know the house.

Man: Television hammered the message home.

American Journal - "But the biggest clue to this mystery is this maze of a house itself, this house with a hidden room where JonBenét's body was found.

Linda Hoffman - Housekeeper - I didn't even know that room was there. I cleaned that house, I
cleaned that basement many times and didn't even know that room was there.

American Journal Questioner (To Linda Hoffman) It tells you something about the killer, doesn't it?

Linda Hoffman - That's right.

Questioner - What does it tell you?

Linda Hoffman - It tells me somebody had to know that house.

!!!!!!!!!!

But the room was not hidden in any way. From the foot of the stairs, you can see the door to the room straight ahead of you. Linda had gone into the room many times to get out Christmas trees and other junk. But when the police asked her about the room, they didn't WANT her to say she knew about the room - so they didn't make it clear where the body was found.   (I think they suggested you had to go THROUGH the boiler room to get to the small room where she was found - - like it was very small and hidden.  JMO)

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  Footprints in the snow
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 10:26 AM - Forum: Disproving Myths - Replies (4)

Reporter Charlie Brennan said he knew from the beginning the parents were the only real suspects.

Charlie Brennan: I certainly have, I had that sense at that time, I had that sense at that time, yes. I had the belief that the police were under a strong suspicion from the very beginning that it had to be the parents.

Man: A local television reporter who also covered the story on the 27th drew the same conclusion.

Julie Hayden, TV Reporter: Early on there, definitely before the five o'clock newscast, we were
beginning to get the sense that the police were not hunting Boulder for some mad kidnapper – That the police were looking more inside the family.

Man: From now on, a clear pattern was to emerge in the news coverage. While police chief Tom
Koby said little, others in law enforcement continually leaked information. Often it was misleading information intended to implicate the Ramseys. The pattern began that day. A story was leaked that suggested ONLY a family member could have murdered JonBenét.

C Brennan: I had a trusted law enforcement source tell me the first officers there noted that it was rather strange, they thought, NO footprints in the snow outside and this is a source that has been infallible in my experience.


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We now have the crime scene photos and know the walkways were clear.  We know police notes were written hours, days after the event and mistakes were made.  And we know from depositions that John Fernie walked around the house before the police went looking for tracks - if no one else's were there, his should have been.  This seems like a clear case of the police leading the media on a BORG path.

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  legal lying in interrogations
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 10:21 AM - Forum: Disproving Myths - No Replies

My best information is that the book Mind Hunter was NOT in the Ramsey house - that Mike Kane was lying when he told John it was - and that was perfectly legal. It is a police tactic to get a response.  (Also a way to get misinformation to the public in a way it would be taken as "fact".  Remember, all kinds of things were being leaked back then.)

From the 1998 interview:

MIKE KANE: Okay. What about "Mind Hunter", John Douglas's book was there, was in the house, had you purchased that?

JOHN RAMSEY: No. It was there in '96? Interesting.

MIKE KANE: Why's that interesting?

JOHN RAMSEY: I never never heard of John Douglas or that book before.

That interview took place before John realized just what lengths the cops would go to to get information they might twist their way -- after all, now it was ON THE RECORD that the book was in the house -- misinformation, but still on the record.

By the 2000 interview, John was wiser and when told there were fibers on JonBenet's genitals from John's sweater, he was NOT so polite -- he called Kane a liar.

It is interesting to see how things changed over time.  In 1996, many of us thought police didn't lie.

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  The Hoffman/Miller FAX
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 10:15 AM - Forum: Handwriting - Replies (3)

Darnay Hoffman is the attorney who sued the Ramseys on behalf of Chris Wolf.  He said that his experts would testify that Patsy Ramsey and no one else wrote the ransom note.  The case was tossed out by Federal Judge Julie Carnes but the depositions from that lawsuit gavve us a LOT of good information on a number of subjects.

RIP, Darnay.  Now you know.


I shared this FAX a long time ago with the forum - and will again here. This FAX went from Darnay Hoffman to another attorney - Tom Miller. Tom Miller was willing to say that as a handwriting expert he had done what the FBI, CBI and US Secret service had been unable to do --- link Patsy to the note.  

While Miller was willing to say Patsy wrote the note, he was never taken seriously by anyone I know related to this investigation, and that included Darnay.

This FAX is a document I think most Ramsey addicts will find very interesting.  THIS is the kind of documents followers of the case rarely get to see but only one of many.

The text:

Dear Tom,
Could you please fax me a copy of your c.v.? My fax number is (212) 496-****. I need to begin
preparing your court affidavit and a recital of your qualifications as a handwriting expert is essential.

You might be interested to know that I spoke with handwriting expert Paul A. Osborn who is, as you
probably already know, the grandson of Albert S. and son of Albert D. Osborn. He refuses to touch the
Ramsey case with a ten foot pole. His reasons: he knows the handwriting experts who gave their reports
to the defense team and to CBI --- four in all. According to Osborn these experts are supposedly top in
their field (he won't give me their names) with impeccable ethical credentials. Their verdict: the
similarities between Patsy and the ransom note writers handwriting is at the very lowest end of the
spectrum, i.e., there is little or no basis for a match.

I don't have to tell you what is going to happen when I present your report and affidavit to a district
court judge. When Alex Hunter and Hal Haddon are finished with you, you will either look like Henry
Lee or Dennis Fung. Obviously this is going to be a "defining moment" for both of us. My former law
professor Barry Scheck just took a wicked hit in the Nanny murder trial, so it can happen to the best of
us.

Trust me (as they say in Hollywood) when I tell you that if you're doing this solely for the money, then
you're nuts. This is "a career move." You better be in this because you "like the action." Because you're
going to see plenty of it when this report hits the courts.

Best, Darnay Hoffman
.

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  from documentaries and interviews
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 10:05 AM - Forum: Prior sexual abuse - Replies (11)

Quotes from A&E documentary
.
Tracey to Dr. Beuf: JonBenet was brought to see you on 27 occasions. Does this number of visits strike
you as excessive?
Dr. Beuf: No, I don't think it's excessive under the circumstances. I went through her chart and
summarized the types of visits she had in the office in the few years prior to her death. She was here three times for annual well-child visits, one time for stomach ache, one time for vaginitis, one time for a bruised nose from a fall at a local market, and 21 times for colds, sinusitis, ear infections, bronchitis, pneumonia, hay fever, and possible asthma. A pretty wide spectrum of generally allergy and respiratory system associated problems which are not uncommon with kids her age.
Tracey: So that number 27, one would expect that other children would have similar numbers of
visits?
Dr. Beuf: Some more and in some cases less than others.
Tracey: In that kind of time frame?
Dr. Beuf: Yes.
Tracey: Did you see any signs of any kind of sexual or physical abuse of JonBenet Ramsey?
Dr. Beuf: I saw absolutely no signs of sexual abuse. I had no suspicion of it.
Man: Other media stories have suggested that vaginal inflamation released in the autopsy
report suggests previous sexual abuse. This conclusion is not supported by the balance of medical
opinion.
Dr. Thomas Henry:{Denver Medical Examiner} From what is noted in the autopsy report, there is no
evidence of injury to the anus, there is no evidence of injury to the skin around the vagina, the labia.
There is no indication of healed scars in any of those areas. There is no other indication from the autopsy report at all that there is any other previous injuries that have healed in that area.
Man: But the absence of physical evidence in itself is not conclusive. So is there any other
evidence for the media's claim?
Man: Lucinda Johnson is John Ramseys first wife.
Man to Lucinda: A blunt question, is John Ramsey a child abuser?
Lucinda: No he is not. He is affectionate, he is kind and very gentle.
Man: Any suggestions from other family, other friends, school friends, so on, that that may
be the case.
Lucinda: No. There have never been other suggestion from any other source.
Man: Peggy Ramsey, John's sister-in-law. Is John someone who would abuse children?
Peggy: No. No he is not and it hurts so much that people would even say it or think it. There is
no truth to that. If we thought there was, we certainly would have spoken up as a family. We
would have gotten together and said, look, you know, you need help but nothing like that ever, ever,
ever crossed our minds.
Man: John Ramsey's first son, John Andrew:
John Andrew: No, there was never any abuse in my family. Zero. None. There was never any
touching or anything weird that might be kind of seen as sexual abuse by some. Never.
Man: This is John Ramsey's oldest daughter, Melinda.
Melinda: I'm John Ramseys daughter. I grew up with him, he raised me and I saw him raise JonBenet
and I don't understand why they don't believe me --- That he is the most caring father in the world. He
has never, ever, ever abused us in any way. I just wish I could say something to convince them.
Man: These are family members but what they are saying is supported by Boulder social services.
After the murder they videotaped a long interview with JonBenét's 9 year old brother Burke. The police
watched from behind a two way mirror. Social Services later reported that there was no indication of
either physical or sexual abuse.
The police declined to take part in this program but even their inquiry supports the family.
Many months of investigation into possible sexual abuse, according to one law enforcement
official, had yielded zero - "Friggin' Zero!"

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  posters' views of exculpatory evidence
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 10:04 AM - Forum: Intruder evidence - Replies (1)

Exculpatory Evidence - as I see it

Parents had no motive and no history of violence or mental illness that would suggest they were
capable or predisposed to do such a thing.

Evidence of intruder at basement window - leaves and "popcorn" dragged into house, glass on floor, suitcase moved as possible "step"

Ransom note - too long and clear to have been written in a panic AFTER the crime, I think it was
written before. I can explain why an intruder might,(wasting time while he waited for the family to
be down for the night)- but why a parent? Who would plan to kill their child and leave a note with
a body? In my theory, the note was a red herring, a "joke", by a very sick person like Ted Bundy
and Danny Rollins.

Ransom note - the handwriting doesn't match either parent. On a scale of 1-5 with 5 being "no way", John is a 5 and Patsy a 4.5.

Stun gun was used - parents had no access to any stun gun, never had any interest in one.

Child taken to basement - if a parent wanted to abuse or punish a child, why go to the cluttered basement? Why not just use the bedroom?

Garotte - not a weapon used by parents

Cord - didn't match anything in the house, couldn't be linked to parents in any way.

Sexual Assault - no history of pedophilia in that house at all and when parents DO kill their
children, less than 1% sexually assault them

DNA found on her clothing, under her fingernails AND mixed with JonBenét's blood in her panties is unsourced to this day.... but has been used to clear suspects including the Whites, Helgoth, Olica, Wolf and her parents

Dark fibers on JonBenét's clothing and on her genitals doesn't match anything in the Ramsey house. Same with colored fibers on the tape.

Body was not left in "peaceful pose" as children usually are when killed by parents. She was left in a moldy room, on the floor, not "tucked in", the garotte remained n her neck, arms thrown over head.

Tape, part of staging, didn't match anything in the house - source roll never found, no one can link the tape to the parents.

Boot print and palm print in room with body don't match the Ramseys. Boots never found and no evidence the Ramseys ever bought a pair of Hi-Tek boots.

Ramseys cooperated with police - called them and gave them full control over the house, signed over 100 consent forms allowing the BPD to access private records, repeatedly allowed themselves to be interrogated - marathon type interrogations.

Character witnesses - No one can cite a time when the Ramseys were anything but loving parents.
Family, friends, the older children in particular - all defend the parents.(Exceptions being Judith
Thomas and Linda Hoffmann-Pugh who started out defending them then made THOUSANDS of
dollars by "switching sides" and selling information to the tabloids.)

Ramseys passed polygraphs given by some of the best men in the country - and the results have NOT been disputed by any authority -- they won't accept them but won't contest them either.

Judge Julie Carnes and DA Mary Keenan's public statements that say clearly that the evidence points toward an intruder, not a domestic situation.

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  Mayor Leslie Durgin - "Boulder is safe".
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 10:01 AM - Forum: Press Releases /Official statements - No Replies

'No need to fear,' mayor tells Boulder
Leader says residents shouldn't think killer is 'wandering streets'

By Kevin McCullen
Rocky Mountain News Staff Writer

----------

BOULDER -- Mayor Leslie Durgin appeared at a news conference Friday to defend police and dispel fears about public safety.

"I've been asked if there is widespread fear in Boulder, and the answer is 'no.' There is no widespread fear in Boulder,'' Durgin told the news conference, carried live by Cable News Network.

She said she has not asked police for a briefing on the case.

"People in Boulder have no need to fear there is someone wandering the streets of Boulder looking for someone to attack. Boulder is safe,'' she said. "Boulder is a safe community, and it will continue to be.''

Durgin, who has been mayor since 1989, said the media coverage of the Ramsey slaying is as intense as she's ever seen in Boulder, which has drifted in and out of the national limelight for years because of the city's assortment of brilliant or eclectic residents.

Producers of the crime show America's Most Wanted contacted Boulder police Friday to seek their assistance in covering the story. Major news organizations from throughout the country have sent representatives to the city of 94,000, and newspapers in Great Britain have called city officials and local reporters.

"If this was New York or a community that experiences frequent homicides, it might not be that unusual,'' she said. "It is unusual --thank God -- in this community.''

Saturday, January 04, 1997

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


She later went public and said she should never have made that statement, that she did it to help calm the fear of the public -- based on the police telling her it was a domestic issue.


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From a Mills documentary

Man: The day after the funeral the Ramseys appeared on CNN. The introduction reflected the
growing suspicion.

CNN video: Body found stashed in the basement of her own home. The parents of little JonBenet
Ramsey are in Atlanta and on the advise of friends they have retained defense lawyers. Earlier today the
Ramseys broke their silence and shared their grief with CNN's Brian Cabell in this exclusive interview.

Cabell - Do you believe that someone outside your home...

Patsy: There is a killer on the loose.

John: Absolutely

Patsy: I don't know who it is, I don't know if it is a he or a she, but if I were a resident of Boulder,
I would tell my friends to keep, keep hold your babies close to you. There's someone out there.

Man: For the Ramseys, the broadcast was a disaster. It was taken as further evidence that they
were playacting - talking to television rather than the police. Boulder's mayor, Leslie Durgan rejected
Patsy's claim.

Mayor Leslie Durgan: People in Boulder had no need to fear that there is someone wandering the
streets of Boulder, as has been portrayed by some people, looking for young children to attack. Boulder is
safe, it's always been a safe community. It continues to be a safe community.

Patsy: Now, I don't know why she said that -- To this day I don't know why she said that but, boy,
do I think that's what touched it off and it seemed like after that all the dominos started falling.

John: Plus it was so bizarre because we knew there was a killer out there and how could she say
there wasn't? It made no sense.

Mayor: It was done in large part to allay the fears of the children in our community and to let
people know that the information that I had at time was that we did not have some crazed person
wandering the streets of University Hill.

Tracey: And who did you clear it with?

Mayor: The police chief.

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