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  The urine stained panties (and the dry bed)
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 08:35 PM - Forum: DNA found in panties - Replies (6)

   

The panties are described in the autopsy:
 " Beneath the long underwear are white panties with printed rose buds and the words "Wednesday" on the elastic waistband. The underwear is urine stained and in the inner aspect of the crotch are several red areas of staining measuring up to 0.5 inch in maximum dimension."


Please note, there is NO evidence she wet the bed.  This is the crime scene photo of her bed.  A urine stain in the hall in the basement indicated she wet herself there, just outside the windowless room where her body was found.



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  The Hi-Tec prints in the basement
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 08:28 PM - Forum: Hi-Tec footwear - Replies (4)

       

Next to where the body was found, there was a clear imprint from a Hi-Tec boot.  Police were never able to  link that brand to the Ramsey family and, in fact, searched for the boots when looking at other suspects.

Someone may still suspect they know who killed JonBenét and it is important they understand there was a LOT of evidence pointing away from the family, pointing TO an intruder.  They may need the nudge to make the call to solve this mystery at last.

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  Long John information
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 08:19 PM - Forum: DNA - Touch DNA on long johns - Replies (10)

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Touch DNA on these long johns influenced DA Mary Lacy when she publicly apologized to John Ramsey for the Hell his family had been put through - because in her mind the DNA evidence - found mixed with JonBenét's blood in her panties and on these long johns - pointed to the intruder who did not innocently leave his DNA on those articles of clothing.

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  The head injury - graphic image
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 08:12 PM - Forum: Head Injury - Replies (8)

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From the autopsy: "The scalp is covered by long blonde hair which is fixed in two ponytails, one on top of the head secured by a cloth hair tie and blue elastic band, and one in the lower back of the head secured by a blue elastic band. No scalp trauma is identified. The external auditory canals are patent and free of blood.The eyes are green and the pupils equally dilated. The sclerae are white. The nostrils are both patent and contain a small amount of tan mucous material."

and after the scalp is opened,
"On removal of the skull cap there is found to be a thin film of subdural hemorrhage measuring approximately 7-8 cc over the surface of the right cerebral hemisphere and extending to the base of the cerebral hemisphere.The 1450 gm brain has a normal overall architecture. Mild narrowing of the sulci and flattening of the gyri are seen. No inflammation is identified.There is a thin film of subarachnoid hemorrhage overlying the entire right cerebral hemisphere. On the right cerebral hemisphere underlying the previously mentioned linear skull fracture is an extensive linear area of purple contusion extending from the right frontal area, posteriorly along the lateral aspect of the parietal region and into the occipital area. This area of contusion measures 8 inches in length with a width of up to 1.75 inches. At the tip of the right temporal lobe is a one-quarter by one-quarter inch similar appearing purple contusion. Only very minimal contusion is present at the tip of the left temporal lobe. This area of contusion measures only one-half inch in maximum dimension."

The blow to her head would have been a fatal injury.  The fact that the coroner (and everyone else who saw her body) had no idea there was such an injury indicates there was no obvious swelling, bruising.  In fact the coroner had no idea she had the head injury until he exposed the skull during the autopsy.  The written autopsy indicates very little bleeding and THAT tells us she was hit in the head VERY CLOSE to the time she died.  Otherwise there would have been a lot more bleeding into the skull, bruising, possible bleeding from her eyes, nose, ears and mouth.

Lou Smit and others believe the garrote was cutting off the flow of blood to the head and that limited the amount of bleeding from the head injury.

THAT should make the BORG  (Bent on Ramsey Guilt) who are holding the theory that the head blow came a half to full hour before the garrote was put on her as staging or to "finish her off" think twice.   That theory just does not fit the physical evidence.

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  The Haddon Letter
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 07:37 PM - Forum: Ramsey cooperation - Replies (5)

The Haddon Letter

April 23rd, 1997 Ramsey Family Statement
MEDIA ADVISORY

Our clients, John and Patsy Ramsey, offered specifically to meet with the and Boulder police
in a formal interview on December 27, 1996 and again on January 18, 1997. Since then, we
have made numerous attempts to schedule interviews the Boulder Police Department. Yesterday
at 4:00 p.m. the Boulder Police Department canceled the separate interviews scheduled for today
at 9:30 a.m. and 1:30 p.m.

We have forwarded the following letter today to the Boulder County
District Attorney Alex Hunter. Hal Haddon Patrick Burke April 23, 1997

HAND DELIVERY
Alexander M. Hunter
Boulder County District Attorney
Boulder County Justice Center
1777 Sixth Street Boulder, CO 80306

Re: John and Patsy Ramsey

Dear Mr. Hunter: By this letter, we express our profound dismay at yesterday's actions
by the leadership of the Boulder Police Department. After representatives of the Boulder
Police with Department and your office requested and agreed to a format for separate
interviews of John Patsy Ramsey beginning at 9:30 a.m. today, we were advised at
approximately 4:00 p.m. yesterday afternoon that the interviews were canceled because
Boulder Police Department leadership no longer agreed to the format of the interviews
-- despite previous statements to the contrary.

When we received this information from your office yesterday, we offered to discuss
any additional matters which might facilitate the interviews but no one from the police
department was willing to even have that discussion.

In view of the bizarre position of the police department, we then offered to make Mr.
and Mrs. Ramsey available this morning for separate interviews by Detective Lou Smit
and any member of the District Attorney's office who wished to attend. This offer was also declined.

This action is incomprehensible in light of the previous history of this issue.

The Police Department, directly and through a campaign of leaks and smears, has portrayed the
Ramseys as unwilling to grant police interviews or assist the investigation. Although we know this
innuendo to be false, we have avoided criticizing the police because we believed that it would only
fuel a media war which would be counterproductive to the overarching goal -- finding and prosecuting
the killer of JonBenét Ramsey.

Yesterday's actions make further silence untenable.

HISTORY OF DISCUSSIONS WITH THE RAMSEYS REGARDING TODAY'S INTERVIEWS

On Friday, April 11, 1997, John and Patsy Ramsey, with their attorneys, met with Peter Hofstrom of your
office and Tom Wickman of the Boulder Police Department. This meeting was held at Mr. Hofstrom's request.

The Ramseys were told at that meeting that they had been treated unfairly in the past and that authorities
wanted to put the investigation on a new track. They were told that "we need your help to solve this crime."
The Ramseys were asked to give interviews and continue their previous cooperation.

No conditions were placed on the manner in which the interviews would be conducted and, in fact, we were
invited to propose any conditions we considered reasonable. At that meeting, John Ramsey immediately said
that he would gladly meet with your representatives if it would help the effort to find his daughter's killer.

The day after that meeting, Patsy Ramsey voluntarily provided a fourth handwriting sample. The Ramseys also
agreed to let authorities search their house again without a warrant; agreed to destructive testing of materials
located at their home; agreed to identify Patsy Ramsey's prior writings; and agreed to make themselves available
for separate interviews on Wednesday, April 23, 1997, beginning at 9:30 a.m.

The Ramseys agreed to answer any questions put to them by any investigator chosen by your office or the
Police Department. We requested that these interviews be of two hour durations, respectively, but we were
certainly flexible on time and your agencies voiced no objection to that time frame.

All the arrangements for these interviews had been made and agreed upon. John and Patsy were anxious to
participate, based on Mr. Hofstrom's representations that such interviews would assist in apprehending the killer
of their daughter.

We cannot describe their anguish and disappointment when we were forced to advise them that the police had
reneged on the very interviews you earnestly requested on April 11.

PREVIOUS INTERVIEWS AND OFFERS

This episode is the latest in an inexplicable series of events which appear to be senseless efforts to intimidate
and smear the Ramseys without any valid investigative purpose. We can document that both John and Patsy
Ramsey were extensively interviewed by Boulder police, including detectives, on December 26, 1996, the day
JonBenét's body was discovered. John Ramsey answered more police questions the next day. On doctors' directions,
Patsy Ramsey was not interrogated on December 27.

What occurred next was the most insensitive and outrageous action in this case, at least to date: Boulder police
refused to release JonBenét's body for burial unless the Ramseys agreed to come to the police station and submit
to a hostile interrogation. We had to threaten legal action to obtain her release for burial.

This was the first in a series of insensitive and incomprehensible actions by the Boulder Police Department leadership
to destroy every sincere attempt to have an open and honest relationship of trust with the Boulder Police Department.

After John and Patsy returned from the funeral, we offered to make them available for a joint interview on January 18, 1997,
at 10:00 a.m. We told the police that Patsy Ramsey was too ill to attend the entire session but that John Ramsey would
answer all questions put to him. The police declined this offer and stated in writing that such an interview would not "be helpful"
because "the time for interviewing John and Patsy as witnesses who could provide critical information that would be helpful
in the initial stages of our investigation has passed."

The police countered with an offer that the Ramseys come to the police station at 6 p.m. on a Friday night and subject
themselves to inquisition for as long as "the nature and quality of the information" warranted. That absurd suggestion
was rejected, especially since the police did not believe that the Ramseys possessed any "critical information."

Since that time, law enforcement authorities from several agencies have launched a cowardly smear campaign against John and Patsy,
fueled by leaks and smears attributable only to "sources." We will no longer endure these tactics in silence. It is beyond
comprehension that law enforcement authorities prefer to leak information rather than interrogate the persons who they
characterize as "suspects" in this investigation.

It is apparent that the leadership of the Boulder Police Department lacks the objectivity and judgment necessary to find
the killer of JonBenét Ramsey. Mr. Hofstrom told John and Patsy that he wanted their help to solve this crime. They
remain willing to meet with Mr. Smit, Mr. Ainsworth or any other members of your office to that end.

Sincerely,
Harold A. Haddon
Patrick Burke

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  Melinda Ramsey
Posted by: Summer Dawn - 01-28-2017, 03:45 PM - Forum: other family members - Replies (3)

Melinda Ramsey 

 John Ramseys daughter from his first marriage.  She was officially cleared as a suspect.
~~~~~~~~~

Melinda Ramsey speaking about  her step mother, Patsy Ramsey in "JonBenet's Mother, The Tragedy and the Truth by   Linda McLean


I've never called her mother, because I already have a wonderful mother; I call her Patsy. But I think of her as my "special mom". I first met Patsy when I was 7 or 8 years old, after my parents had been divorced for a couple of years. For some reasons, one of my first impressions was that she seemed so full of energy. As we got to know each other, we grew very close and still are. We are not related by blood but we are related by love.

"Patsy was always so much fun to be around! I vividly remember the family playing Bingo and Charades together. When it was our birthday, she always made a fuss. This was our "special day' and the birthday child was the center of attention. Patsy was always interested in whatever I was doing at school. I remember when I ran for student council in junior high, she helped me make posters and buttons and practice my speech. Patsy always thinks of others. She always puts other people's feelings, wants and needs above her own. It makes her happy to make other people happy. And that's what makes her so special.

I've never called her mother, because I already have a wonderful mother; I call her Patsy. But I think of her as my "special mom". I first met Patsy when I was 7 or 8 years old, after my parents had been divorced for a couple of years. For some reasons, one of my first impressions was that she seemed so full of energy. As we got to know each other, we grew very close and still are. We are not related by blood but we are related by love.

Patsy was always so much fun to be around! I vividly remember the family playing Bingo and Charades together. When it was our birthday, she always made a fuss. This was our "special day' and the birthday child was the center of attention. Patsy was always interested in whatever I was doing at school. I remember when I ran for student council in junior high, she helped me make posters and buttons and practice my speech. Patsy always thinks of others. She always puts other people's feelings, wants and needs above her own. It makes her happy to make other people happy. And that's what makes her so special.

I know it's hard to be a step-parent. You are somewhere in the middle - like a "fill-in". But Patsy was always genuinely glad to see us; she treated us like her own children. It meant a lot to me as a child when she introduced me to people as "my daughter, Melinda". She didn't make the distinction of step-child. But she also didn't cross the line and try to become our mother. She didn't discipline us. For my upcoming wedding, she and my mother are working as a team. Patsy helped Mom select the invitations and organize my engagement party. I know I am fortunate to have a family like this

On day as we were driving in the car, Dad asked, "What would you think about having another brother or sister?" It really caught me off-guard and I was shocked; I guess I just never thought about it. But I was really happy and when Burke and JonBenét were born, it was so exciting! They were both so much fun to be around. Burke liked to play with John Andrew, always looking for him to play matchbook cars, etc. JonBenét and I liked to paint together or play dress up. Each year we colored Easter eggs and we had a Christmas tradition of baking cookies together.

Since I grew up in Georgia, I wasn't used to snow. One day in Boulder, there were little patches of snow on the ground and JonBenet went out to "build a snowman". I soon realized it would be almost impossible to do this with the little bit of snow that was left. But JonBenet was determined. "I know we can do it!" And so, of course, we worked and worked until we had a two-foot-high snowman. I'd do anything to make her happy.

One of my strongest memories is how she always ran to greet me. Her pig tails were flying, her hands were outstretched and she screamed, "Be-winda, Be-winda." It is this memory that I cherish the most.

It breaks my heart to see these horrible accusations being made about Dad and Patsy. They are wonderful parents! Patsy helped raise Beth and John Andrew and me. I watched them with Burke and JonBenet. I know! And yet people who don't know them who have never even met them, are saying absolutely horrible things! They have no right to!!

I'm their daughter. I've lived under the same roof as them. I've had the same parents as JonBenet. I have such a hard time understanding why the public refuses to believe me -- why my word just isn't enough. 

I'm glad Dad and Patsy are strong people. They have withstood a lot and they can withstand this too. But it isn't fair. It just isn't fair.

(Melinda was crying as the interview ended)

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  A thread on the book
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 11:11 AM - Forum: JonBenét's Mother - the Tragedy and the Truth - Replies (5)

http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonbenet...E5Q1BVDTA6

Includes lots of quotes

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  Shirley Brady - Georgia nanny
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 11:08 AM - Forum: Burke Ramsey - bio - No Replies

Published in the Boulder Camera - January 10th, 1997

This is an awful way to start a new year after you get "Happy New Year" wishes from everyone.

I really don't feel happy and I wonder, how long will this sadness last? I never expected such a tragedy as little JonBenet's murder. Although I have not seen her since she was a baby, I have talked to her mother several times. I'll always remember the family as kind, good people; a soft-spoken father who is kind and loving, and his children are his life, and a beautiful mother who is always radiant. She's the only woman I've ever seen who comes to breakfast in her housecoat and looks like a ray of sunshine.

I was the housekeeper and nanny to their little son who was born while I was there. Both are devoted parents and I was crazy about Burke. I used to rock him to sleep; he loved Handel's Messiah's "Halleluiah Chorus." I have in my heart and mind so many happy memories of the whole family including grandparents and aunts. The oldest children had so much grace and class, so well behaved and refined.

When I saw that little coffin and the grieving parents, I was stunned. Who could do such a violent, crazy deed? It is plain insanity for anyone to even think a family member would have done it. After Mr. Ramsey's oldest daughter died, JonBenet was his salvation to go on from his sorrow, loosing his oldest.

Burke adored his little sister. When I babysat, I watched him playing with her when she woke up. He would tell me she woke up so I could change her. He always was a highly motivated, intelligent child. He figured out at 5 months in his walker, how to unscrew every doorknob in his kitchen. I used to call him "Super Kid." I took him to the piano and took his little finger to play: "Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star." He enjoyed it at least five minutes, which is a long time for a six months old. He loved for me to read to him. I could write a book about them, titled "The Love of One Family."

I was asked how Mr. Ramsey is taking all the tragedies in his life. I said he has a tremendous inner strength - he is like the Rock of Gibralter. He will never ever forget it, but he lets God comfort him in the belief, what He does, he accepts it. Mrs. Ramsey is the same. When you have two people loving each other like they do, nothing can come between them. They share tragedies together.

Finally, as I wrote in their card:

God gave you JonBenet for a little while. Now she is in heaven, in the sunshine of God's smile.

God bless all of you for supporting them.

SHIRLEY BRADY

Americus, Ga.

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  The small hidden room
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 10:28 AM - Forum: Disproving Myths - Replies (8)

Man: Then another story appeared - The room where JonBenet was found was so hidden, whoever murdered her knew the house - even the mayor of Boulder said so.

Mayor: By all reports, there were no visible signs of forced entry. The body was found in a place
where people are saying, someone had to know the house.

Man: Television hammered the message home.

American Journal - "But the biggest clue to this mystery is this maze of a house itself, this house with a hidden room where JonBenét's body was found.

Linda Hoffman - Housekeeper - I didn't even know that room was there. I cleaned that house, I
cleaned that basement many times and didn't even know that room was there.

American Journal Questioner (To Linda Hoffman) It tells you something about the killer, doesn't it?

Linda Hoffman - That's right.

Questioner - What does it tell you?

Linda Hoffman - It tells me somebody had to know that house.

!!!!!!!!!!

But the room was not hidden in any way. From the foot of the stairs, you can see the door to the room straight ahead of you. Linda had gone into the room many times to get out Christmas trees and other junk. But when the police asked her about the room, they didn't WANT her to say she knew about the room - so they didn't make it clear where the body was found.   (I think they suggested you had to go THROUGH the boiler room to get to the small room where she was found - - like it was very small and hidden.  JMO)

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  Footprints in the snow
Posted by: jameson245 - 01-28-2017, 10:26 AM - Forum: Disproving Myths - Replies (4)

Reporter Charlie Brennan said he knew from the beginning the parents were the only real suspects.

Charlie Brennan: I certainly have, I had that sense at that time, I had that sense at that time, yes. I had the belief that the police were under a strong suspicion from the very beginning that it had to be the parents.

Man: A local television reporter who also covered the story on the 27th drew the same conclusion.

Julie Hayden, TV Reporter: Early on there, definitely before the five o'clock newscast, we were
beginning to get the sense that the police were not hunting Boulder for some mad kidnapper – That the police were looking more inside the family.

Man: From now on, a clear pattern was to emerge in the news coverage. While police chief Tom
Koby said little, others in law enforcement continually leaked information. Often it was misleading information intended to implicate the Ramseys. The pattern began that day. A story was leaked that suggested ONLY a family member could have murdered JonBenét.

C Brennan: I had a trusted law enforcement source tell me the first officers there noted that it was rather strange, they thought, NO footprints in the snow outside and this is a source that has been infallible in my experience.


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

We now have the crime scene photos and know the walkways were clear.  We know police notes were written hours, days after the event and mistakes were made.  And we know from depositions that John Fernie walked around the house before the police went looking for tracks - if no one else's were there, his should have been.  This seems like a clear case of the police leading the media on a BORG path.

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