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  keys
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-15-2018, 06:04 PM - Forum: The House at 755 15th Street, Boulder, CO - No Replies

ST: . . .but was there any reason you couldn’t or John could not have retrieve the key from the Barnhills at that time to get in rather than breaking the window?
PR: He, he may not have know they had a key.ST: Do you remember on the night of the 25th, when you and John came home, what the lockup procedure, the security procedure for the house that night was?
PR: No, I don’t.
ST: Concerning keys to the house Patsy uh, and access to the house, outside of John Andrew being in Boulder, were there another keys outstanding other than John Andrew’s and the Barnhills?
PR: Uh, my dad had a key. Um . . .
ST: Had that been accounted for?
PR: Has that been accounted for?
ST: Does Don Paugh still have that key.
PR: I don’t know. Um. . .
ST: Had anybody asked Don Paugh if he still has that key.
PR: (Coughing, response unknown) Excuse me. Uh, my cleaning lady had a key, Linda. The Barnhills I believe actually gave two keys, because I had given her one and she couldn’t find it. I think I gave them another one? Uh, Barbara Fernie had one at one time, I’m not sure. I think I might have gotten that back from her. Pricilla had one I believe. Uh . . .
ST: Does Pricilla still have that key?
PR: I don’t know. I can’t remember. It seems like I gave it to her before we went to the lake, because she was going to have a lot of house guest and I thought if she wanted to, you know, use the house for any reason she could have the key.
ST: What is the status of the key or keys that you gave the Barnhills?
PR: The status right now?
ST: Yeah. Have you gotten those back?
PR: I haven’t, no, I don’t know where they are. I don’t know what the status is of those?
ST: Would it be inaccurate if the Barnhills were saying that they returned the key to you? Could that be possible?
PR: Um, it could be possible I guess. I don’t remember, and I think, I think I gave it to them and the intent was if I got, anybody got locked out of the house they would have a key. So I don’t, I mean, it wasn’t like, you know, keep this for two days and then give it back to me or something, you know.
ST: And as some point we’ll come, uh, uh, Tom has some questions for you about when John had to break in that basement window . . .
PR: Right.
ST: . . .but was there any reason you couldn’t or John could not have retrieve the key from the...

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  clothing questions
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-15-2018, 06:00 PM - Forum: Patsy Ramsey - bio - No Replies

ST: When you awaken the next morning, uh, do you recall what you or John wore the following morning when you got up?
PR: You mean what did I put on in the morning?
ST: Um hum.
PR: Uh, I think I put on the same black velvet pants and the red turtleneck sweater. I don’t know what John had on.
ST: And on the night before, on the night of the 25th, the black velvet pants and the red sweater, you don’t recall what your footwear was?
PR: I think, um, no, I can’t remember exactly. I usually wear these little black kind of little boots with it, bit I don’t know if wore them that, I don’t remember what I wore that night.

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  her bed
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 09:03 PM - Forum: JonBenét's bed - Replies (2)

   

There were no stains on the bed indicating JonBenét had wet the bed.  

Steve Thomas lied about that in his book.

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  the alarm system
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:59 PM - Forum: The House at 755 15th Street, Boulder, CO - No Replies

TT:  Okay. And let me back you up just a little bit. Do you guys ever use the alarm system I that house at all?
PR:  No, we didn’t use it in years.
TT:  Okay. Do you remember about when the last time you used the alarm system was?
PR:  Well, I remember when JonBenet was probably two or three, it was, the house was still under construction. She was probably two.
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  And I didn’t even know the alarm system was activated yet, because we had had so many people in and out of there. She drug that little, this little bench we had back by the garage door, drug it over and I think she was trying to hit the garage door opener, but she hit, you know, boom, boom, boom on that . . .
TT:  The keypad.
PR:  . . .keypad and I mean it just, it’s an interior alarm. It’s got the speakers or whatever they are inside the house and it is just deafening. And uh, John, we ran back to the keypad, cause I had never really heard it go off and she was standing there, you know, like, and uh, I mean, I didn’t even know how to shut the dumb thing off cause I didn’t even know it was activated and pretty soon I, I was trying to call Safe Systems or whoever it was that I thought had been working on it and uh, I mean, you just couldn’t stay in the house it was so awful, so loud. And uh, I remember grabbing John’s cellular phone, because I couldn’t dial it inside the house it was too . . .
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  . . .loud and pretty soon I heard these sirens and apparently she had hit the button that, you know, don’t ask questions, just sent help.
TT:  Um hum. So everybody came.
PR:  Everybody came and, and, you know, they were saying well, you know, if this is your house why don’t you turn it off? And I was like we don’t know the code, you know, so that was the last, so we didn’t use it because of that, cause, cause like every time that we ever used the alarm system it would go off erratically and . . .
TT:  Had problems with it? So it hasn’t, you hadn’t use it or it has it not been hooked up to an alarm company at all?
PR:  I believe it was hooked up to a, um, I don’t know if you call it an alarm company or whatever, but for fire . . .
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  . . .but somehow I think that the smoke detectors were incorporated into that. . .
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  . . .and I think we did have it monitored, you know, for that purpose. . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .for the fire protection.

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  Was anything taken?
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:57 PM - Forum: The House at 755 15th Street, Boulder, CO - Replies (1)

TT: Okay. Before the police arrived and after you guys checked of Burke did either one of you run through the house and check the house at all?
PR: John, I remember him running, going like to the doors, various doors, cause I kept saying how did they get in, how did they get in? And he uh, checked some of the doors I remember. The door to the garage, you know, from the coat room there.
TT: Um hum.
PR: I don’t you know, I just remember him kind of going around checking. I think he went down to the butler kitchen there. Checked, I don’t, you know, I wasn’t watching he did.
TT: Did he ever make a comment about being, any of the doors being unlocked to you? Did he find any doors unlocked that you recall?
PR: He didn’t say that he did.
TT: Okay.
PR: I don’t remember him saying, you know, he didn’t say Oh I found it or something. I don’t remember him . . .
TT: Okay. Do you remember if John ever went down to the basement to check any of the windows down there before the police arrived?
PR: You know I, you’re just going to ask him I don’t . . .
TT: Okay.
PR: . . .I was just, you know . . .
TT: Okay. Patsy, after the 26th have you guys been able to do any type of inventory of the house. Have you come u with anything missing at all?
PR: No, I haven’t been back.
TT: Okay. Has John done anything like that? Any type of inventories to see if anything is missing?
PR: I don’t, not to my knowledge.
TT: Look at it like big jewelry items, anything like that something that . . .
PR: Yeah.
TT: . . .you guys might see as obvious that was missing.
PR: No.

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  Atlanta Questions
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:43 PM - Forum: odds and ends - No Replies

ST:  How about, uh, uh, certainly we, we’ve chased a lot of things locally, but were there ever any Charlevoix concerns or concerns in the greater Atlanta area as you live there or continue to have ties there that you’ve thought of that we might be aware of? Any, anybody, zealots, nuts, fanatics in Charlevoix uh, any bad business dealings, bad neighbor dealings, anything at all?
PR:  Um. . .
ST:  The Northridge home, uh . . .
PR:  No, I mean, there was one incident in uh, Charlevoix that, and you can ask John more about this, but, um, he was getting ready to do this yacht race to Mackinaw Island and this fellow, and I can’t remember his name, was going, you know they had to have six, I think a, six or eight people on the crew or something and one of the guys, one of the people on the race had to have done the race before, that was one of the boat rules or race rules or something like that and this guy that they, from the Charlevoix boat store or something like that was going to be, his name was Tim something, Tim, I think is was Tim something, was going to be on the race with them, and they were all suppose to meet in Chicago. Fleet White was going to be on the race and a couple of these buddies of Fleets from California and John and Melinda and John Andrew and then this guy from Charlevoix. Tim Mur. . .Murtock, Murtaugh, or something like that was going to meet them over in Chicago. Well, they were over there the day before the race and it was hotter than blazes that day and this guy never showed, never showed and I remember trying to down his wife. I called his wife and said, you know, where is, where is he. They’re waiting for him, you know, to qualify for this race or whatever and she said well he’s in Chicago, you know, that’s what he told me and he never did show up on that race. Now, I don’t know why he didn’t do that, but they almost, you know, they were pretty, he, John and Fleet were miffed over that. And they had to take a, this woman crew member, you know, which is kind of a, you know, walks around say does anybody need a crew, anybody need a crew, (inaudible) and they said yeah and she happened to have done this race before so they qualified, but that guy, you know, never did show up. Tim Murtock.
ST:  How about Atlanta. Can you think back, days in Atlanta and Northridge and (inaudible) and I know, again, you’ve racked you brain and I’m sure you would have forwarded that to us, but anything today that comes to mind.
PR:  No, um, no.
ST:  Patsy, one of the things that, that I’m, certainly have to ask you about is we try to think of who would have had any reason or intent or motive to have done something like this and what might have pushed them to do something to do this would be terribly strong feelings and um, uh, have there and I need to ask you this, um, has there been any spurned or scorned lovers or infidelities in your marriage to John, uh that we need to look at as a, as a possible actor in this?
PR:  No, absolutely not.
ST:  And, and let me ask that another way. Have there been any infidelities in your marriage to John.
PR:  No.
ST:  Are you aware of a woman in Tucson claiming to have had an affair with John.
PR:  Um hum.
ST:  And what’s your response to that?
PR:  She’s an extortionist.
ST:  Okay. One person that we have not been able to run down, that I certainly want to exhaust in this ting is uh, a woman who Lucinda revealed to us is having had an affair with John that ultimately lead to the dissolution of their marriage. Um, that was some time ago, but, um, I think people have been reluctant to share that with us. Do you know who this person was?
PR:  No, I’m not aware of anything like that.
ST:  Are, are you aware of prior to today, because I had to ask Nedra and Pam and Paulie and uh, if they were aware of this person, while we were in Georgia so we could find her, and make sure she’s not some kook that laid in wait for 20 years. . .
PR:  Um hum.
ST:  . . .um, is today the first time you’ve been made, made aware of this woman?
PR:  I don’t know of any woman with, I don’t know anything about this, no.
ST:  Okay. Are you aware that John had some sort of infidelity according to Lucinda?
PR:  No (Inaudible).
ST:  Okay. So you certainly wouldn’t know this woman’s name then?
PR:  No.
ST:  And you’re not in a position so I’ll ask John if he’ll share that with us.

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  Charlevoix boat race
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:42 PM - Forum: odds and ends - No Replies

ST:  How about, uh, uh, certainly we, we’ve chased a lot of things locally, but were there ever any Charlevoix concerns or concerns in the greater Atlanta area as you live there or continue to have ties there that you’ve thought of that we might be aware of? Any, anybody, zealots, nuts, fanatics in Charlevoix uh, any bad business dealings, bad neighbor dealings, anything at all?
PR:  Um. . .
ST:  The Northridge home, uh . . .
PR:  No, I mean, there was one incident in uh, Charlevoix that, and you can ask John more about this, but, um, he was getting ready to do this yacht race to Mackinaw Island and this fellow, and I can’t remember his name, was going, you know they had to have six, I think a, six or eight people on the crew or something and one of the guys, one of the people on the race had to have done the race before, that was one of the boat rules or race rules or something like that and this guy that they, from the Charlevoix boat store or something like that was going to be, his name was Tim something, Tim, I think is was Tim something, was going to be on the race with them, and they were all suppose to meet in Chicago. Fleet White was going to be on the race and a couple of these buddies of Fleets from California and John and Melinda and John Andrew and then this guy from Charlevoix. Tim Mur. . .Murtock, Murtaugh, or something like that was going to meet them over in Chicago. Well, they were over there the day before the race and it was hotter than blazes that day and this guy never showed, never showed and I remember trying to down his wife. I called his wife and said, you know, where is, where is he. They’re waiting for him, you know, to qualify for this race or whatever and she said well he’s in Chicago, you know, that’s what he told me and he never did show up on that race. Now, I don’t know why he didn’t do that, but they almost, you know, they were pretty, he, John and Fleet were miffed over that. And they had to take a, this woman crew member, you know, which is kind of a, you know, walks around say does anybody need a crew, anybody need a crew, (inaudible) and they said yeah and she happened to have done this race before so they qualified, but that guy, you know, never did show up. Tim Murtock.

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  Patsy on the bonus
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:38 PM - Forum: 118 thousand dollar ransom - No Replies

ST:  How immediate did it come to your mind or John’s mind uh, that that uh, amount of money asked for in the ransom note roughly equaled John’s bonus? Were you aware of that on the morning of the 26th?
PR:  Was I, was I aware of what now?
ST:  The bonus amount equaling. . .
PR:  I was not aware that, I, I didn’t know that he had gotten a bonus.
ST:  Okay.
PR:  Or that that, he takes care of all that stuff and I didn’t know, I think at some time that morning he, I remember him saying that that might be close to a figure that was a bonus that he had gotten, but. . .
ST:  Okay. I’m assuming his salary, and I don’t know if you know this, was to $118,000. Do you know what John’s salary was in relation to a bonus being $118,000?
PR:  I don’t know any of that.
ST:  Are you not privy to any of the financial information in the household.
PR:  Well, I’m sure I’m privy. I can see it if want to, but . . .
ST:  Okay.
PR:  . . .I just. . .
ST:  Okay. That’s not your day to day affair?
PR:  That’s not my day. . . no.

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  Patsy in interview
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:33 PM - Forum: Christmas Day, 1996 - Replies (9)

TT:  Okay. How about December 25th, Christmas day. How did that start out? Who got up first and that sort of thing?
PR:  Uh, well, the kids came up and woke us up and John went down, he went to get everything ready, you know, get the lights on, get the music on, you know. . .
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  . . .uh, I think he, he said he had, he brought he, Santa Claus Brought me a bicycle so he had to go get that under the tree. . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .and then we all went down and, into the living room. That’s where we had the Christmas.
TT:  Okay. Big tree in the living room. Okay. Because I know there’s kind of trees all over.
PR:  Right.
TT:  What, what do you normally store the Christmas presents say before the 25th.
PR:  I the basement. I had them all in the basement.
TT:  Okay. Because there were some extra Christmas presents. Who were they for? Do you remember?
PR:  Well, I had, I had some uh, bagged up and kind of ready to go up to the lake.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  We were going to the lake the 26th.
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  Michigan. And I had Melinda’s and Stewart’s and John Andrew’s.
TT:  Okay. Those were the presents that were down in the cellar still?
PR:  Uh. There were probably were some down there.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  I don’t know when you mean down still.
TT:  Um, on the 26th there was still some presents downstairs.
PR:  When, uh, I was, if there were I don’t remember, I had them kind of. . .
TT:  Kind of all over the place?
PR:  . . .you know, all over, yeah. And I had, uh, I know I had a (Lego?) set down there that I had gotten for Burke’s birthday which was in January, so I. . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .I had that there kind of back, held back.
TT:  Okay. Why don’t you walk me through the rest of the 25th. What all did you guys do that day?
PR:  Well, I continued to wrap some presents. I went back down to the basement on the washing machine area there and wrapped for taking the stuff to the lake . . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .and the kids were playing with there toys and the Colby kids were over and some other little new kids that moved in a couple of doors up uh, where the Whites had. . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .rented a house two doors up the hill.
TT:  Towards Baseline?
PR:  Towards Baseline.
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  Uh, south I guess that is. Um, there were just kids all around, you know, they all playing with all their stuff and . . .
TT:  Quite a few kids in the house, around the house?
PR:  Yeah, right.
TT:  Okay. And then about what time did you guys go over to the White’s house that night?
PR:  Um, um, dinner timeish, you know, five or six or something like that.
TT:  Al right. What did you guys do at the White’s house, kind of, how many people were over there?
PR:  Well, that whole group of her family was still there. . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .and uh, you know what? I think Heather did not come to our party cause she was, had a cold, but she rallied and was there for dinner at Fleet’s house.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  Um, so, you know, all of them were there.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  And we. . .
TT:  (Inaudible)
PR:  . . .were all there, yean.
TT:  About what time did you get home from the Whites that night?
PR:  Well, we stopped a couple of places on the way home to drop off Christmas gifts.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  By the Walkers and the Stines.
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  And I imagine it was about nineish, something like that.
TT:  Okay. Sometime, nine, after nine, something like that?
PR:  Some, yeah.
ST:  (Inaudible) um.
TT:  Question?
ST;  Uh,    quick quick question. Give me some more detail Patsy, if you will, on, on the daytime and afternoon of the 25th. Um, we sort of moved quickly to that evening but, but uh. . .
PR:  Yeah.
ST:  . . .walk me through that day.
PR:  Well, we opened our presents and uh, try to have them do it slowly so it doesn’t it’s not over with in five minutes, you know, and we all opened our things and then we had breakfast and uh, I was packing, as well as wrapping gifts that day. We were, we were going to go to the lake on the 26th so I was putting a few things together for that trip and um, and trying to get the presents together to take up there and then I was packing our suitcases to go, we were going to go on a Walt Disney cruise on. . .
ST:  Big Red boat?
PR:  Bid Red boat. On my birthday, the 29th. So I was, had summer clothes, trying to get all that ready, so uh, and packing and uh, I think I colored my hair that afternoon, like with one of those quick, you know, uh. . .
ST:  Everybody stayed home the whole day. No trips out on the 25th prior to going to the Whites?
PR:  Uh, John, I think went out to the airplane to kind of, he always kind of checks, checks it out.
ST:  Prior to a flight?
PR:  Yeah. So he went out there that afternoon and the kids were just in an out playing and playing with their, JonBenet was making this little jewelry things and Burke had this car that he was playing with.
ST:  So you and the kids were home the whole day . . .
PR:  Yes.
ST:  . . .prior to going to the Whites and John returned from his short outing. . .
PR:  Right.
ST:  . . .uh, and that was his only trip out that day?
PR:  As best I can remember. Yes.

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  Christmas Eve
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-14-2018, 08:29 PM - Forum: odds and ends - Replies (6)

TT:  Got a little of your tea left. Okay. Patsy, let’s move over to the uh, to the 24th. I want you to start kind of, actually let’s go more towards the afternoon of the 24th. That would be the 24th of Christmas Eve. The kids are all excited. Kind of run me through that in the same fashion. What did you guys do?
PR:  Well we um, uh went to church, the family church service which was at four or 4:30 . . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .something like that. And uh, after that we went to Pasta Jay’s for dinner. . .
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  And then we drove around town looking at Christmas lights and we drove up to the star up on the mountain there and um, I remember JonBenet was miffed because we wouldn’t let her get out and she wanted to walk up into the star . . .
TT:  Um hum.
PR:  And uh, she just had her little velvet Sunday school shoes on, you know, so she was, she said, ‘Well, what’s the use coming up here if you can’t even go up to the star.’ Um, so then we came down, down from the star and we wound around by the White’s house and uh, I think, and we went in there for a few minutes and uh, then we went home.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  And, you know, got everybody ready for bed.
TT:  Okay. About what time (inaudible).
PR:  Oh, gee, I don’t know.
TT:  Okay.
PR:  I don’t know exactly.
TT:  Okay. Um, go home, go to bed.
PR:  Early evening.
TT:  Okay. Early evening?
PR:  Um hum.
TT:  Go home, got ready for bed um, where did everybody sleep that night?
PR:  Well, JonBenet was in her bed in her room. . .
TT:  Okay.
PR:  . . .and Burke was in his bed and we slept in our room.
TT:  Okay. Do you have an idea if JonBenet moved over towards Burke’s room at all that night. Slept in his room?
PR:  Um, I can’t remember, can’t remember.
TT:  Okay. Is that something that she would normally do?
PR:  No.
TT:  Sleep in Burke’s room. I know everybody’s got, you got, they both have two beds in their rooms.
PR:  Yeah, right um, I don’t think so. I just can’t remember.

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