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  In senate questionaire
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-09-2019, 10:18 AM - Forum: Judge Carnes Decision in Wolf Lawsuit - No Replies

10. Wolfv. Ramsey, Case No. 1:00-cv-1187-JEC, 253 F. Supp. 2d 1323 (N.D. Ga. 2003).

This was a civil case arising out of the widely-publicized and unsolved murder of six-year old JonBenet Ramsey, whose body was found in the basement of her parent's home in Boulder, Colorado. The plaintiff, Mr. Wolf, sued the Ramsey parents based on allegedly defamatory statements that they had made indicating their belief that he should be considered a suspect. The plaintiff contended that the Ramseys necessarily knew that he should not be a suspect because they knew that they had murdered their own child or, at least, knew that someone, other than the plaintiff, was responsible for the murder. I granted summary judgment for the Ramseys as the material evidence presented by them, and not disputed by the plaintiff, could not, as a matter of law, give rise to an inference that they had killed their child. My decision was based only on the civil record before me, which did not include the police investigative reports. The plaintiff had made little to no effort to adduce any facts in support of his contentions and my Order did not profess to answer definitively the question of who had murdered the child.

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  JonBenet Ramsey The Home Team
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-07-2019, 07:10 PM - Forum: JonBenet Ramsey The Home Team - Replies (1)

She claims to be the "World's first Forensic Numerological Criminal Profiler".

Book on Lulu and Amazon but I never saw any info on it until doing unrelated research in November 2019.

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  Lou Smit
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-26-2019, 10:25 AM - Forum: Some Important quotes - Replies (3)

"If there is evidence of an intruder, it is not the parents."   Lou Smit

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  timeline by samarkandy
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-24-2019, 09:57 PM - Forum: good primer, perhaps - No Replies

Thursday Dec. 26:
5.30 am Patsy Ramseysays she finds a 2 1/2-page ransom note on a staircase demanding $118,000 for JonBenet. 
John Ramsey tells detective that only John Andrew, Nedra and Linda Hoffmann Pugh had keys. (Patsy must have told them about Joe and Betty Barnhill having a key) 
1.10 pm John Ramsey brings his daughter's body up from basement room.
An FBI profiler tells Boulder Police “to look at the family’
Pete Hofstrom from DA’s office arrives at house
Afternoon Melinda, John Andrew and Stewart Long arrive at Ramsey house
Afternoon family goes to stay at Barbara and John Fernie’s house. 
Afternoon Det Arndt interviews Ramseys at John and Barbara Fernie’s house 
2pm Eller organizes next meeting and designates Detective Michael Everett as lead detective, compiles list of Ramsey employees and business associates, also relatives, housekeepers, acquaintances, babysitters
Sometime during the day Trip DeMuth discovers BPD was not going to collect any forensic evidence. He forced them to collect it.

7 pm Dets Fred Patterson and Greg Idler interview Linda Hoffmann Pugh

Mike Bynam, close friend and corporate attorney, arrives at Fernies 
Evening Pam, Polly and husband and Don and Nedra arrive at Fernies
Evening Fleet White and John collect Jeff Ramsey, Rod Westmoreland from airport and bring to Fernies
8 pm execution of FIRST search warrant begins
8:30 pm coroner came to house, stayed about 20 minutes. Patricia Dunn coroner’s assistant stayed with body until it was taken away at around 10 pm 

Friday Dec. 27:

8:15 am autopsy begins, Dets Linda Arndt and TomTrujillo of Boulder Police present, also chief trial deputy Trip DeMuth and Det John Pickering from the DA’s office. Patricia Dunn shot 113 photos for coroner, Trujillo shot photos for police.
10 am Patterson and Idler interview Fleet White at police headquarters for about 2 hours
10 am Det Larry Mason interviews Pam Griffin and daughter Kristine at police headquarters. Was asked if she’d ever seen inappropriate behavior, anything abusive. Was asked about pageants
execution of SECOND search warrant – got more clothes, likely murder weapons ie flashlight, etc
Bill Wise is quoted in the Rocky Mountain News as saying it was unusual for the body of a kidnapping victim to be found at the home.
Eller compiles list of suspects, assigns 30 officers to the case.
DA requested four of Sherriff Epp’s detectives to work on case. Among them was Det Steve Ainsworth who only worked for BPD that weekend. Then later, in March, was lent to the DA’s office to work on Hunter’s investigative team for the defence 
Police interview Linda Hoffmann Pugh for a second time at her home and taped it
The day Bill and Janet said they went to doctor’s office and first heard about crime in and article in the newspaper that was there
Mike Bynam goes to Fernie’s house to see John and Patsy and tells John they need a lawyer and offers to represent them
Afternoon Fleet White goes to Fernie’s house where Mike Bynum is with John and Patsy .  
Afternoon Pam Griffin is called to Fernies by Polly. She said Fleet White was there not letting anyone get near Patsy
2:20 pm autopsy completed and Eller briefed on findings

Early afternoon Det John Eller holds press conference where he seems depressed, tired and obviously reluctant to face them. Speaks softly and didn’t say much. “We have no reason to believe it was a kidnapping or not at this time”

3:00 pm Fleet leaves to go to BPD headquarters 
4:00 pm Fleet returns to Fernies, according to Bynam behaving completely differently 

John also comments that Fleet White’s demeanour changed after this visit to police HQ – he became upset and confused 
5:00 pm Fleet White goes to Mike Bynam’s office to talk about situation. It appears that David Williams, a private investigator was there. 
Coroner’s ruling that JonBenet died of asphyxiation caused by strangulation is publicly revealed.
Police indicate to journalist Charlie Brennan that they believe the parents are responsible and to journalist Julie Hayden that they are concentrating on the parents
Later that evening Dets Mason and Arndt interview Ramseys at John and Barbara Fernie’s house 
Saturday Dec. 28:
Det Steve Thomas begins to work on the case. He had been a friend of police chief John Eller for 6 years. 
Jane Stobie ex-Access Graphics employee called Boulder police to say she had important information for them. Police did not return her call

John, John Andrew, Burke go to police station and give non-testimonial evidence (blood, hair, handwriting samples),Patsy too distraught to do so 

Information leaked that coroner has found evidence of sexual attack
Shortly after noon, without consulting John or Patsy, Bynum told Arndt that Ramseys would not give any more testimonial evidence without a criminal attorney present, and they would no longer share privileged information with police. 
Bynum calls Bryan Morgan of Haddon, Morgan and Foreman. Bryan Morgan goes to see John and Patsy at the Fernies. Ramseys retain Morgan as their attorney
Pam Paugh was allowed to enter Ramsey home and collect some belongings. During the visit a police officer said to Pam “Your sister and brother-in-law killed this child”
News stories make it clear that Ramseys are principal suspects                                                                                                                    
5:40 pm at the Justice Center Patsy gave her FIRST handwriting sample 
Evening Ramseys meet with Bryan Morgan and Patrick Burke

Sunday Dec. 29:

Bynum confirmed that Detectives Arndt and Kim Stewart could speak to John Andrew and Melinda and John’s brother Jeff.
Detective Kim Stewart interviewed Melinda Ramsey for 2.5 hours
Memorial service held at St John’s in Boulder. Detectives Mason, Thomas, Gosage, Arndt attended
Arndt faxed 2 pages of questions to Bryan Morgan for the Ramseys
6:00 pm to 8:00 pm Detectives Ron Gosage andSteve Thomas interviewed John Andrew Ramsey
Ramseys flew to Atlanta for funeral
Head of Boulder County Sexual Abuse team, Holly Smith inspects JonBenet’s room and notes that all panties in bedroom dresser are fecal smudged
Execution of THIRD search warrant– JR’s computer records seized 

Dec. 30:[/b]

Sherriff John Epp’s detectives reported that some of Eller’s officers were just sitting around when they should have been canvassing the Ramseys’ neighbourhood. 
A few hours later Dets Jane Harmer and Arndt go to John Fernie’s office to meet with Fernie and White. Fernie Is worried that police suspect John Andrew. 
Det Arndt interviewed Fleet White. White said an intruder must have gotten in. That someone wanted to hurt that family and hurt daughter.
Whites and Fernies flew to Atlanta for funeral
Bloodstains obtained from panties were submitted to Colorado Bureau of Investigationfor DNA testing. Also submitted were samples from John, Patsy, Burke, John Andrew, Melinda, Jeff Ramsey, Linda Hoffman Pugh, Mervin Pugh, and John Fernie
CBI Director Carl Whiteside said they had one piece of evidence they were working on declining to say what it was. 
Ramseys announce that Bryan Morgan had been hired to represent John, and Patrick Burke for Patsy, (both from firm Haddon, Morgan and Foreman) 
Eller placed Det Sgt Tom Wickman in charge of crime scene investigation
Revealed by police that ransom amount was $118,000. Also that there was no sign of forced entry
Tuesday Dec. 31: 
JonBenet’s funeral in Atlanta burial in Marietta, Ga. 
Boulder police ask Marietta police to go to funeral home and take tracings and measurements of JonBenet’s hands 
Westmoreland, close friend of CNN president organises for Ramseys do interview on cable news network
Dets Thomas and Gosage interviewed Joe Barnhill Snr who was said to have a key to the Ramsey house. They found out he had a boarder, Glenn Meyer, who lived in their basement
Dets Thomas and Gosage  immediately interviewed Glenn Meyer as per instructions from Eller
Det Carey Weinheimer met with Denise Wolf of Access Graphics to get names of people who might have a grievance against John
Dets Patterson and Weinheimer interviewed Jeff Merrick former employee of Access Graphics, still following up the old kidnapping theory
Not all Access Graphics ex-employees were immediately interviewed because some were away interstate 
Ramseys hire their own investigators
After the funeral Fleet flips and becomes violently angry that Ramseys have hired their own investigators (and are ‘not co-operating’ with police). Big argument with John about that and also about them going to appear on CNN television show even though he was initially all for it. 
Eller announces to detectives they will now focus on the Ramsey family and their friends. 

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  Dylan Howard book
Posted by: jameson245 - 10-24-2019, 09:39 PM - Forum: 2019 - No Replies


[b]Resolving for the Murder of a Child Beauty Queen and a Botched Investigation[/b]

The killing of six-year-old beauty queen JonBenét Ramsey—found in the basement of her family home in Boulder, Colorado, with a smashed skull and a garrote placed around her neck—remains one of America’s most shameful unsolved crimes. A flawed investigation, fraught with police and prosecutorial misconduct and widespread evidence tampering, means that the little girl’s killer remains at large after more than two decades.
Now, as told in Killing JonBenét Ramsey an unflinching new investigation into the crime will seek to finally secure justice for JonBenét. Investigative journalist Dylan Howard has assembled a crack team of internationally renowned criminal investigators, experts, and lawyers with the express aim of finding her killer.
They have sifted through scores of new tips and leads, pored over never-before-seen crime scene evidence, searched through hundreds of pages of coroners’ reports, police statements, and private journals, and conducted many exclusive new interviews. They have petitioned courts and law enforcement agencies, gathered archival material, and utilized new scientific advances.
This is not a retelling of JonBenét’s story; it is an active investigation of her murder. Combining the compulsive draw of a Hollywood movie blockbuster, the addictive thrill of the police procedural, and the heartwrenching tragedy of the real-life murder of a beautiful toddler and the consequences for her family, Killing JonBenét Ramsey seeks to put right one of the modern age’s most monstrous wrongs.

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  Cindy's GoFundMe
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-13-2019, 09:01 PM - Forum: GO FUND ME - a way anyone can help - No Replies

Lou's daughter, Cindy started a GoFundMe page and raised 39,000 to help go after suspects.  One comment on the page was interesting and I share it here.

Fran Sanders donated [b]$22[/b]

Lived in Boulder before Jon Benet murder. Very good friend was the Assistant to the Chief of Boulder Police Dept. My friend was did not like little girls only boys (she had a boy) She did not like my daugther. My daughter was a tough one so I had a boy too so necer said anything. I asked her one time in the time line how the Police were doing on the case. Her comment was "Jon Bonet was a little slut" and they (Police) felt it was the family and that was that. I could not believe her response but filed it in the "friend" remark. I was saddened by her comments but stayed friends with her for 15 years until another comment about my life that made me angry. This has stayed with me all these years. I do not want to be known but thought you would want to hear this.

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  2019 request for funds
Posted by: jameson245 - 09-07-2019, 08:50 PM - Forum: Truth about Tricia Griffith and weBsleuths - No Replies


Dear ForumsForJustice.org members and friends,
For FFJ to continue we need 160 dollars for new software. Please help us out by donating at PayPal with the address

Until the money is raised FFJ will have to remain down.
ForumsforJustice.org is the sister site to Websleuths. It is a great place for everything JonBenet.
Ramsey lawyer L Lin Wood would LOVE IT if FFJ failed. Remember the time he subpoenaed me for the names of the moderators? He did not get on thing from FFJ, Websleuths or me.
It would be awful to know how glad L Lin Wood would be if FFJ ceased to exist.
One hundred and sixty dollars is all we need to keep FFJ going.
If you want to help keep JonBenet's memory alive we need to keep FFJ running but I cannot do it on my own anymore.
Thank you very much.
Tricia Griffith
Owner ForumsforJustice.org and Websleuths.com

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  Testa retires - Weinheimer in
Posted by: jameson245 - 08-17-2019, 10:42 AM - Forum: 2019 - Replies (1)

BOULDER, CO — Boulder Deputy Police Chief Carey Weinheimer, a 29-year veteran of the Boulder Police Department, will serve as interim police chief when Chief Greg Testa retires Sept. 3. Testa has served as Boulder Police Chief since 2014.
Weinheimer is expected to serve in the role for about 10 months until a new police chief is hired in 2020.
"Deputy Chief Weinheimer has played an essential role in maintaining the high standards of the department and in building our strong relationships with community members to ensure the Boulder Department continues to represent Boulder's values and a safe community for all individuals who live, work and visit here," said Jane Brautigam, Boulder city manager, in a statement. "I am confident that Deputy Chief Weinheimer is well prepared to lead the department with the full support of the leadership team and the respect of our officers throughout the organization."
Testa, who worked for the Boulder Police Department for 32 years, said it's been an "honor to serve the community."
Weinheimer joined the Boulder Police Department in 1990, and has since served as an officer, detective, sergeant, commander and deputy chief. He has been closely involved in the management of the police department and has worked with the city organization to launch the first-ever Boulder Stop Data Report, the city said. Weinheimer also is a member of the city's racial equity team and works with the Government Alliance on Racial Equity to improve treatment of all community members.
"We are fortunate that our police department is a healthy organization, and one that continues to challenge itself to be innovative, transparent and to reflect our community values," said Brautigam. "Deputy Chief Weinheimer understands the Police Department and the community. I am confident that he will be a strong interim chief until a new police chief is selected."
The city will conduct a search process for the next chief of police beginning in the fourth quarter of this year.
"In our search for Boulder's next police chief, understanding this community's values, maintaining strong department leadership, and partnering with residents to ensure Boulder has a transparent and equitable police force is essential" Brautigam said. "As part of our selection process, we will provide opportunities for the community to meet with the finalists and provide input on the candidates."
A date has not yet been set to fill the position. The city will work closely with law enforcement officers from outside organizations to evaluate candidates on policing standards, leadership, experience and preparedness to serve the Boulder community as chief of police.

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  their last photo questioned
Posted by: jameson245 - 06-23-2019, 01:21 PM - Forum: Miguel Sancho and David Tomasini - No Replies

What follows is from a BORG site - - their program was not well-received and their last photo was questioned in many places with posts like this.

We don’t know that was from the White’s party. We don’t know if it was cropped, photoshopped or not. We do t know if it’s digital or not. Put in context. I want the phots before and after.

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Posted by: jameson245 - 06-23-2019, 12:58 PM - Forum: Miguel Sancho and David Tomasini - No Replies

FACT FIRST - according to an online search, the Ramsey program was the first of 6 shows on separate subjects.  The program was not picked up for another season.

The work product went to A&E.

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