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Garotte - jameson245 - 01-28-2017 http://jameson245.com/garotte.htm Information on the garotte RE: Garotte - jameson245 - 02-20-2017 from Newsweek 3/19/2000 the garrote used to strangle JonBenet, made of rope and the broken end of one of Patsy Ramsey's paintbrushes, was an elaborate instrument of death--an unlikely tool for the Ramseys to have fashioned in the panicked minutes after allegedly striking her. RE: Garotte - meibomius - 02-21-2017 The whole RDI "accident, then staging" theory strikes me as so nonsensical if you take any serious look at the injuries. The head blow left no external wound, and no layman would have had any reason to conclude 'JBR is a goner, so we better finish her off and create some cockamamie botched kidnapping scenario (the "Cheyne-Stokes respiration pattern argument is as preposterous as the "Munchausen by Proxy" theory of Patsy's motivation, as there's no reason to assume JBR ever displayed such breathing (if she was even alive after the head blow long enough to display such a phenomenon), there's also little chance a layman would recognize that as a sure sign of death, and so decide the only thing to do is to finish her off. No, they would have called an ambulance or taken her to an emergency room, and taken their chances with something like, "she fell down the stairs" or "she slipped in the tub." And the strangulation was absolutely brutal. There is just no way the Ramseys showed the faintest capacity to commit such a heartless act on their daughter. Not to mention the paintbrush penetration, which was totally unnecessary. I don't understand how anyone can be so convinced that it must have been the Ramseys, but it seems that to RDIs it's like a religion. Even in the absence of any evidence, they have devout faith in their belief that it had to be the Ramseys. Sorry that this is not contributing evidence or references, but it's just so nice to be able to post such thoughts without fear of a vicious RDI backlash. RE: Garotte - jameson245 - 02-24-2017 A wonderful heartfelt explanation why some of us just find it easier to follow the evidence than work so hard to explain away the truth just to enjoy the fun of being a BORG bully. Really, other parents HAVE killed their kids, but those who did it in such a brutal way were later found to have mental illness or drug/alcohol problems, financial or revenge motives. The Ramseys were nice people, but the BORG would rather lynch them than accept there are monsters among us - - and one more got away with it. RE: Garotte - jameson245 - 03-17-2017 Reading the 1/13/2009 CBI lab report The DNA profile developed from item 8-1, (the neck ligature) revealed the presence of a mixture. The major component of this mixture matched the DNA profile developed from JonBenet Ramsey (item 14) at the interpretable loci. The following individuals are excluded as potential contributors to the minor component of this mixture: John Andrew Ramsey Melinda Ramsey John Bennett Ramsey Patsy Ramsey Burke Ramsey Others were also cleared via this DNA including Fleet White and Brian Perry. Funny how they could be cleared but the parents still were held up as guilty by the BORG officers. RE: Garotte - jameson245 - 07-23-2023 What follows is quoted from Trip Demuth's presentation given to LE in May of 1998. His task was to put on a defense against the BORG police case, let them know what a defense might argue. It is based on the evidence they had, and what they did not have, or want. This is what he said about the photo of JonBenet's neck and what it meant. "there is evidence that she was still struggling at the time she was strangled. Dr. Meyer says there aare abrasions consistant with fingernail marks on her neck. The attacker could have made them. However, they cannot eliminate the possibility that JonBenet made them. Especially when she was killed with a ligature and not a hand. Either way, it shouldn't be there if it was merely staging. Either way, it is evidence she was more than a lifeless body at the time of the strangulation. There are also petechial hemorrages on her neck, eyes and heart. Could be caused by a scream - (snip) usually by strangulation - - which would mean she was alive when she was strangled. That is not consistant with the parents. You can speculate that she looked dead. How persuasive is that going to be to a jury if they have evidence that her heart is still beating? One must be careful about concluding the strangulation is simply staging. This is complicated by the fact that she was still alive when she was sexually assaulted. The bleeding and redness of the vaginal injury prove she was alive when an object was inserted in her vagina. Would parents do this if they thought she was still alive? Being alive, when strangled, being alive when molested, and a struggle on the neck, are all inconsistant with staging. JOHN DOUGLAS - staging involves putting ligatures on the victim after death. DR. MONTELEONE - Parents who kill usually engage in some sort of folly and do not engage in staging to this degree. He would expect to ofind some real pathology in the parents. DR. KRUGMAN would expect to find evidence of a major pathology in the parents. KEN LANNING of the FBI says this goes way beyond what parents would do. He expects to find evidence of a serious pathology in the parents. It would be a greater pathology than mere pedophelia. What evidence of pathology exists? This has been the most extensive investigation into someone's background that I have ever seen. The most unanimous image is summarized by these pictures. (At this point, he is showing the group photos of John and Patsy taken hours before the murder. I would guess at the Whites'.) "Their state of mind before the murder." (He showed photos of JonBenet taken hours before the murder.) "Was the child a problem child? This is evidence of here behavior that night. WHAT IS THE MOTIVE? (Apparently he showed slides that related to how others described John and Patsy.) "Almost no one describes them as less than the perfect parents.. We may not want to consider this, but we would be remiss to ignore it." RE: Garotte - jameson245 - 07-23-2023 A bit more from Demuth's presentation FURROW IN NECK ... The amount of force used to strangle is overkill. The depth of the furrow is excessive. Why use a cord? Statistically, it is sexual fantasy not control. Why tie a handle to it? A parent doesn't need this for staging & the depth of the furrow is overkill for staging. |