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  on questions 911 operators are trained to ask
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-05-2020, 06:23 PM - Forum: 911 call - No Replies

questions 911 operators are told to ask 
Information to Relay to Responding Officers 
 Nature of the calls, emergency or “in progress”  
Complete address, including directions  
Home phone number of the caller  
Identify the caller and relationship to the parties  
Injuries or need for an ambulance  
Weapons—what type, whose, where last seen  
Number of people at the scene, including children  
If offender is at the scene, provide a description, i.e. height, weight, clothing 
 If offender has fled, get location, direction, mode of travel, and description of vehicle 
 Presence of alcohol or drugs—what type? 
 Last time officers responded to this location and type of call  
Protection order or temporary order on file

found at http://www.markwynn.com/wp-content/uploa...stions.pdf

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  found on reddit
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-26-2020, 10:34 PM - Forum: Ramsey family FRIENDS - No Replies

I shared this story with the guys at Last Podcast on the Left. They read it on their show a few months back but figured you all might enjoy it as well. Feel free to ask any related questions, but I probably wont have a bunch of answers because we were so young:
I wanted to share a few experiences and memories from my early childhood that include Jon Benet. She and I were in the same dance class at a rec center in Boulder and we became friends during that time. 
Even at that young age, she really was a top talent. I have a memory of the dance instructor flipping through a CD on the stereo, listening to each song for a few seconds before hitting next. The whole class was standing there in a way most 6-year-olds would - bored, probably picking our noses and shuffling our feet - but not Jon Benet. She would explode in to dance during those short bursts of music. Switching between tap, jazz, hip hop, and so on. I remember watching her natural skill at that moment - the way she was performing for no one and how spot on she was while doing so. I remember thinking how freaking cool and fabulous she was. 
A week or two before her death, Jon Benet, her mom, my mom, and I were chatting after class. There was some mention of how I needed new dance shoes, to which her mom said something to the effect of, "Oh, we just got a new pair for Jon Benet for her upcoming performance. Why don't you guys come over soon for a playdate and we will give you her old pair? Let's set it up for after Christmas when we get back from our trip to Michigan."  This is the trip that, of course, didn't happen because she was murdered before they left. 
Fast forward to high school. My brother and his friends used to longboard around Boulder after school. It was a group of four that day and two of them (one being my brother) knew Jon Benet during her short life. They returned to my parent's house after boarding and appeared genuinely stressed and confused by something they had seen while passing her house. 
The group was long boarding past her house, as she lived on a pretty decent hill. All four of them claim to have seen a fifth black shadow on the pavement that moved down her entire block with them, kind of positioned in the center of the group. It was there long enough that they were all talking about it, saying, "Hey - you guys see that? What is that?" They stopped at the end of the street to look around and figure out the source. The shadow slowed to a stop with them, and they all watched as it dissipated. Who knows, maybe she was playing with the kids on her street as she used to in life. 

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  why is name not in 911 call?
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-26-2020, 12:06 AM - Forum: 911 call - No Replies

The 911 call: Patsy never refers to JonBenét by name.
Dispatcher: 911 emergency
         Patsy:  Police!
         Dispatcher: What's going on?
         Patsy: I'm at seven fifty-five 15th Street.
         Dispatcher: What's going on there, ma'am?
         Patsy: We have a kidnapping. Hurry, please.
         Dispatcher: Explain to me what's going on, OK?
         Patsy: There, we have a, there's a note left and our daughter's gone.
         Dispatcher: A note was left and your daughter is gone?
         Patsy: Yes.
         Dispatcher: How old is your daughter?
         Patsy: She's six years old. She's blonde, six years old.
         Dispatcher: How long ago was this?
         Patsy: I don't know. I just found the note and my daughter's gone.
         Dispatcher: Does it say who took her?
         Patsy: What?
         Dispatcher: Does it say who took her?
         Patsy: No. I don't know. It's, there's a, there's a ransom note here.
         Dispatcher: It's a ransom note?
         Patsy: It's say SBTC, victory. Please.
         Dispatcher: OK, what's your name? Are you Pats...
         Patsy: Patsy Ramsey, I'm the mother. Oh, my God! Please!
         Dispatcher: I'm, OK, I'm sending an officer over, OK?
         Patsy: Please!
         Dispatcher: Do you know how long she's been gone?
         Patsy: No, I don't. Please, we just got up and she's not here. Oh, my God! Please!
         Dispatcher: OK, calm...
         Patsy: Please send somebody.
         Dispatcher: I am, honey.
         Patsy: Please.
         Dispatcher: Take a deep breath for me, OK?
         Patsy: Hurry. Hurry. Hurry!
         Dispatcher: Patsy! Patsy? Patsy? Patsy?
Faye Marie Swetlik   - recently murdered in SC                                                    https://www.wistv.com/2020/02/14/listen-...ppearance/
“I need to report a missing child.  We can’t find my daughter.     She was playing outside. I can’t find her.” “She’s six. She’s going to be seven in June.” 
AJ Freund 911 call                                                                                                                   https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/911...ch-n997741
We, uh, we have a missing child.   (When was he last seen?)  Last night, probably around 9:30 when he was put to bed.”
“My grandson is missing. He's about 16-18 months. We can't find him anywhere.  We've been looking for him for about 20 minutes."
Cindy Anthony: "I have someone here who I need to be arrested in my home."
911 Operator: "They are there right now?"
Cindy Anthony: "And I have a possible missing child. I have a 3-year-old who has been missing for a month."
911 Operator: "A 3-year-old? Have you reported that?"
Cindy Anthony: "I'm trying to do that now."
911 Operator: "OK, what did the person do that you need arrested?"
Cindy Anthony: "My daughter."
Another call featured the first words heard from the mother of the missing girl. She said she knows who has her daughter.  
Cindy Anthony: "I called a little bit ago to the deputy sheriff's and I've found out that my granddaughter has been taken -- she has been missing for a month. Her mother had finally admitted that she had been missing."
911 Operator: "What is the address you are calling from?"
Cindy Anthony: "We are talking about a 3-year-old little girl. My daughter finally admitted that the baby sitter stole her. I need to find her."
911 Operator: "Your daughter admitted that the baby is where?"
Cindy Anthony: "She said she took her a month ago and my daughter has been looking for her. I told you my daughter has been missing for a month and I just found her today. But I can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her by herself. There is something wrong. I found my daughter's car today and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car."
911 Operator: "OK, what is the 3-year-old's name?"
Cindy Anthony: "Caylee, C-A-Y-L-E-E, Anthony."
Dulce Maria Alvarez
The teen mother of missing New Jersey girl Dulce Maria Alavez could barely get words out, her voice shaking in panic, as she called 911 to say the 5-year-old had vanished.
“I can’t find my daughter,” Noema Alavez Perez, 19, said in the Sept. 16 call, sobs catching in her throat, according to a recording obtained by NJ Advance Media on Thursday.
The teen mother of missing New Jersey girl Dulce Maria Alavez could barely get words out, her voice shaking in panic, as she called 911 to say the 5-year-old had vanished.
“I can’t find my daughter,” Noema Alavez Perez, 19, said in the Sept. 16 call, sobs catching in her throat, according to a recording obtained by NJ Advance Media on Thursday.
“We were here at the park, and people said that somebody… probably somebody took her.”
The dispatcher asks what the girl was wearing, but the mom doesn’t seem to immediately be able to answer, breathing heavily and asking for a moment.
“I don’t remember what clothes she was wearing,” she says. “I just remember her pants. She was wearing like a flower … flowery pants and some heels, some white heels.”
Semaj Crosby
“My daughter is missing.  I cannot find her.  She was outside playing with the kids and she’s missing.” 
As in all the other calls, the name was given only after the parent was asked by the 911 operator. 
In the Ramsey case, Patsy was never asked.

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  beuf records from TimeLine
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-22-2020, 10:27 AM - Forum: Prior sexual abuse - No Replies

[b]  November, 1996 - JonBenét was seen by her doctor for the last time - a little on her medical records and the doctor's observations.[/b]

            Dr. Beuf saw JonBenét 27 times between March, 1993 and November, 1996.
  Most of those visits were for sinus infections and colds. There was one for an injured finger, another after a fall in a grocery store.
 He mentioned once in an interview that she had a scar on her face from being hit with a golf club, but  he did not say he had attended her for that injury - just noted that the scar was there and he thought Burke had hit her. I suggest it was an accident since it appears to have been an isolated incident and not an unusual accident for active kids.
 On five occasions he did a brief examination of the external genitalia. He said on Primetime live that he never did a speculum exam and did not suggest in any way that he did any type of internal exam. Here is the information on those 5 "vaginal" exams.
    9/1993 -age 3 - JonBenét had had a recent bout of diarrhea and was complaining of pain during urination and there was vaginal redness. Typical treatment would be plain water baths, possibly use of an ointment.
   4/1994 - age 3 - another visit concerning pain during urination - possibly related to bubble bath (a known irritant). This is in the doctor's records and appears to be the only time bubble bath caused the problem. Again, the typical treatment would be plain water baths and possibly an ointment.
 10/1994 - age 4 - a routine physical, no inflammation noted. It WAS noted that she OCCASIONALLY wet the bed - not unusual - Dr. Beuf told Primetime live that 20-25% of children wet the bed occasionally at the age of 4.
   3/1995 - age 4 - JonBenét was brought to the doctor with abdominal pain and fever. He did a full physical check on her and ran tests.
     8/1996 - age 5 - A routine physical (possibly a pre-school exam which may have included a brief visual examination of the genital area). Nothing noted as abnormal.
                  This is the extent of the "vaginal" exams performed on JonBenét.
 The last time Dr. Beuf saw JonBenét as a patient was five weeks before she died - a check-up after a sinus infection.
    Dr. Beuf issued a statement - "My office treated JonBenét Ramsey from March, 1993 through  December, 1996. Throughout this period, there has been absolutely no evidence of abuse of any kind."
  On February 14, 1997, Dr. Beuf was interviewed on KUSA-TV. He reported that they did ask him about prior sexual abuse of JonBenét. His answer? "I told them absolutely, categorically no. There was absolutely no evidence - either physical or historical."
 In the British Documentary produced in the first half of 1998, Dr Beuf said , "I saw absolutely no signs of sexual abuse. I had no suspicion of it. I always think about sexual abuse with any child ... who comes through this practice, because it is such a terribly destructive thing ... in JonBenét's case I saw absolutely no evidence.

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  Alan Prendergast - westward
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-13-2020, 04:26 PM - Forum: Nancy Krebs - No Replies

One day in February 2000, the Whites found a message on their answering machine from a [i]Daily Camera[/i] reporter, seeking last-minute comment about a story the paper was planning to run on a "pedophile ring" and the Ramsey case. The next morning, splashed across the front page, was a copyrighted story by Barrie Hartman, the paper's opinion-page editor, announcing "new information" that "could provide a major breakthrough" in the JonBenét case.

The information came from a 37-year-old mystery woman from California, who claimed to have suffered years of sexual and physical abuse dating back to when she was three. Much of the abuse had come during holiday parties, she said, and involved asphyxiation and blows to the head -- similar techniques, in her view, to those used on JonBenét. Although the perpetrators of these ritual-abuse parties weren't explicitly identified, the article went on to explain that "the woman said she knows the Ramseys through the Fleet White family. She said the godfather to her mother is Fleet White Sr., 86, of California."

Hartman's report noted that Boulder police had interviewed the woman for several hours and were skeptical of her claims. But her attorney, Lee Hill, described her as "among the most credible witnesses I have ever interviewed." And the punchline came from District Attorney Alex Hunter, who was quoted as saying that the woman's story was "very believable" and "warrants investigation."

The story quickly went viral. It would be almost three months before the Boulder police and prosecutors issued a statement debunking the woman's "child sex ring" claims about the JonBenét murder. By that time, sordid speculations about multi-generational pedophilia in the White family were circulating across Boulder and cyberspace. It would take years of open-records battles and court action before the Whites were able to learn more about how the woman had managed to insert herself into the Ramsey investigation, win the ringing endorsement of the top prosecutor in the case, and be the subject of a front-page story that was as remarkable for its omissions as for its wide-eyed gullibility.

The woman's name was Nancy Krebs. She had a documented history of sexual abuse by a family member, who'd been convicted of sexual assault in 1980, and her grandparents had been good friends of Fleet White Sr. -- that much was true. She said she'd contacted Boulder attorney Lee Hill, who'd represented a local man in a civil case related to the Ramsey investigation, because she'd seen him on television and her therapist was urging her to come forward with what she knew. Hill, in turn, had introduced her to Hartman.

Hartman was hardly a disinterested party in the case. The Camera's coverage had been highly sympathetic to the Ramseys and critical of the police. Hartman apparently paid for Hill's plane ticket to California so he could meet with Krebs. The ultimate objective, Hartman later admitted, was to bring the mystery woman and her story directly to Alex Hunter, since he didn't trust the Boulder police to adequately investigate her claims.

Hartman arranged a meeting between Hill and Hunter at Hartman's house. Also present was a DA's investigator, who took meticulous notes, and Hill's friend, author Stephen Singular, whose book on the Ramsey case had theorized that JonBenét's death was tied to a pedophiliac subculture in Boulder. Singular asked Hunter "if there was interest in investigating the White family."

"Alex Hunter responded that he was interested in any nexus to Fleet White," the investigator noted.
Hill talked at length about the need to protect his client from a vengeful ring of abusers, including members of her own family, and expressed his belief that the supposed rift between the Whites and the Ramseys was "just subterfuge."
When the police sat down with Krebs and Hill a few days later, they soon discovered several huge problems with her story. She was the subject of a missing-person report from California. She claimed to be a witness in at least two other homicide investigations. She claimed that she'd been sexually assaulted at different times in her youth by Fleet White Jr., Fleet White Sr. and "Uncle" John Ramsey, and that her mother and niece were present at the Whites' 1996 Christmas dinner, hours before JonBenét was killed.

But the detectives found no evidence that Krebs had ever met Fleet Junior or Ramsey. Her mother and niece weren't at the Whites for Christmas dinner. Almost nothing about her account of that evening fit the circumstances of the JonBenét homicide. Hartman, who interviewed Krebs extensively himself before running his front-page exclusive, didn't respond to a request for comment. But it's doubtful he would have published such a tale if Hunter hadn't remarked how "believable" the witness was.

Hunter had sat in on the first round of police interviews. Hartman would later tell investigators that Hunter had been opposed to going public with the story. So what prompted him to endorse the mystery woman in print? Hunter didn't respond to a request for an interview for this article, but he backpedaled on his comments almost as soon as they were published.
"Opinions about believability are premature before...a full investigation is complete," he acknowledged in a hastily issued press release.
A secretary's notes of phone messages coming into Hunter's office after the article appeared indicate that his enthusiasm for pursuing the Krebs allegations took some of his colleagues by surprise. A message from prosecutor Michael Kane: "Kane thought you had come to the conclusion that this woman is a goof ball, so Kane is curious how this hit the paper the way it did."
Message from Boulder police chief Mark Beckner: "Mark thought you and he had come to an agreement on Sunday that, yes, while there were some credibility issues, Mark agreed that they needed to follow it up.... Obviously you believe she is more believable than they do at this point."

Other media outlets quickly picked up the story. The local CBS affiliate, News 4, even used its report on the mystery woman to tease the upcoming Schiller miniseries. Fleet and Priscilla suspected that more than coincidence was involved in the trashing of their reputation, just as the miniseries was hitting the airwaves (based on a book the Whites had denounced as riddled with inaccuracies) and the Ramseys were preparing to launch their own book. "The 'umbrella of suspicion' needs to reach beyond the heads of John and Patsy Ramsey," huffed an editorial in the Camera -- and that wider net had ensnared and befouled the entire White family.

"We really don't know where Nancy Krebs came from," Fleet says now. "I can't prove this, but I believe that one reason people came after us is to demonstrate to the world that there were other suspicious people out there. We were already in the crosshairs. We were the flavor of the month."

After eleven weeks and extensive interviews with members of her family, the Boulder police concluded the Krebs investigation, having found no credible evidence linking anything the woman said to JonBenét's murder. (Krebs, who has said she never wanted her story published but has also never recanted, could not be reached for comment.) The Whites embarked on a long, frustrating campaign to seek criminal libel charges against the Camera and those individuals responsible for disseminating the woman's allegations.
. In 2003 a special prosecutor declined to pursue the matter, noting the shaky legal standing of the state's seldom-used criminal libel statute and other considerations. The newspaper emerged unscathed from the legal machinations surrounding the Ramsey case. Not so the Whites. In 2001, Fleet White was summoned by the defense to testify in the trial of attorney Tom Miller, who'd been charged with commercial bribery after his client, a tabloid editor, allegedly attempted to buy a copy of the ransom note. White defied the subpoenas, concerned that his testimony might compromise the murder investigation.

Miller was acquitted. White was found guilty of contempt of court and sentenced to thirty days in the Jefferson County Jail.

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  Fleet quotes
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-13-2020, 03:14 PM - Forum: Fleet and Priscilla White - Replies (4)

Fleet says. "If you don't have truth, all you have are lies, then what comes in is evil. And evil just does its thing. In the Ramsey case, it just did its thing, and it's eaten up so many people."


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  Priscilla quotes
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-13-2020, 03:11 PM - Forum: Fleet and Priscilla White - No Replies

"There's absolutely no way it could be a family member," Priscilla told police in her first official interview  - Alan  Prendergast in Westward

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  Priscilla to Prendergast
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-13-2020, 03:07 PM - Forum: Ransom Note - No Replies

Priscilla was struck by the taunting tone of the note, which was addressed to "Mr. Ramsey." She wondered who could hate John Ramsey that much, to put him through this. 

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  Calling the friends
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-13-2020, 02:41 PM - Forum: December 26th - Replies (1)

When Patsy called the Whites that morning, Priscilla answered the phone.  Patsy told her JBR had been kidnapped.  Priscilla woke Fleet up with the news.   (Black coiled)

Alan Prendergast wrote in Westword - The voice on the line belonged to a frantic Patsy Ramsey. "JonBenét's been kidnapped," she said. "Come over right now. Call the FBI." She hung up before the stunned Priscilla could say much of anything.

It took just minutes to get to the house and the police were already there.

The first thing Fleet saw was Patsy who was very distraught.  She was in the sunroom.

Alan Prendergast wrote - Fleet and Priscilla had never seen Patsy so hysterical, flailing and collapsing in sobs. John Ramsey wasn't known for displaying emotion -- Fleet, who'd done a lot of sailing with him in rough weather, had admired his calm in even the worst storms -- but he looked distraught, too.

Not sure how much time passed but Fleet went to the basement - of his own accord, no one asked or directed him to do that.  

Alan Prendergast wrote: While arrangements were under way to assemble the cash demanded, the Whites did what they could to be useful. Recalling how his own daughter had once gone missing only to be found hiding under her bed, Fleet took a quick tour of the basement, looking for hiding places. He and John collected Burke Ramsey from his room, and Fleet drove him to the Whites' house, to keep him away from the awful situation.

He noted the broken window but didn't remember if it was opened or closed.  He noticed the suitcase.  

He opened the door to the windowless room but couldn't find the light switch easily so left.

He was with John when the body was found - quoted John as saying "Oh my God."  

Fleet was surprised - he really thought it was a kidnapping.

INTERESTING - Fleet said he did not know who wrote the note.  Then he said he had an opinion on who did - but it was not based on the handwriting.  He refused to explain what may have caused him to feel he knew who wrote the note.

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  from black coiled with more info
Posted by: jameson245 - 02-13-2020, 02:14 PM - Forum: Fleet and Priscilla White - Replies (2)

moved to Boulder in 1994 - rented house 2 houses away from Ramsey - to the south.  Diane Brumfit lived in the house between with her two sons.

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