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  The killer's cruel nature
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-04-2019, 10:01 AM - Forum: odds and ends - Replies (1)

I worked with a man who was always a joy to see again. He'd come to my office to pick up paperework, chat a bit and be off. I had no idea he was addicted to cocaine. He didn't show up for work for a few days and was arrested for a BRUTAL murder. So happens I knew the victim, knew she was a druggie, had no idea he knew her. He was caught, convicted, no idea what happened to him but I really was surprised when he was first arrested.
When the investigation started I kept track of who was saying what - - he hid his issues at work but when people understood he was suspected of MURDER, no one was willing to keep his secrets.
Over the years I have seen that happen numerous times - - and in this case, once there was a brutalized body - - there was no all-inclusive conspiracy to protect the Ramseys. Their secrets were all revealed. John's mistress, Patsy's boob job - - the Ramseys told those. Patsy's less than faithfull recycling practices and John's dislike of vacuum cleaners being run while he was home were REVEALED!
Theree is no reason to think the Ramseys were capable of this murder.

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  Bryan Morgan
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 10:00 PM - Forum: Names to remember - No Replies

from JonBenet's America

           Bryan Morgan: The object is to boost ratings, the object is to sell magazines or newspapers, pick up any issue of the tabloids that you wish and ask yourself, is this a reasoned way to proceed on an emotional question of guilt or innocence in a civilized society. I think there is just one answer to that.

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  Media on the stories told
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 09:48 PM - Forum: Misleading the media - Replies (1)

from JonBenet's America

          At the main daily newspaper in Boulder, the editor has watched coverage of the Ramsey murder with increasing alarm.
           Barrie Hartman - Editor, Daily Camera: One of the main feelings we've had in the news business is that there is too many stories - If the tabloids report it and we feel that we have to report it and that has caused some problems and JonBenet was a good example of that. I think a lot of the information the tabloids had, whether it was right or wrong, became fact because the rest of us picked it up.
           Julie Hayden: This is one of the things I've thought about. I've thought about,  is this fair - Is what I'm doing right or wrong - And I will admit there have been times when I have felt bad and I have thought, this is not fair. This is not fair the way we're handling the whole thing.
           Hartman: We're looking at ourselves - We've want to be believed - We think the most important thing  for our readers is believability. If we give that up, we sacrifice that for any one story, it hurts us.
           Julie Hayden: I think we do what we can, at least I know sometimes I sort of put the brakes on and say  no we're not going to go with that, we're not going to report that. But there are a lot of pressures and somebody else reports it and my boss turns around and looks at me and says, 'how come we don't  have that?' If people don't watch my newscasts then I lose my job, the station folds, and we all go hungry.
           Man: There is concern on all sides of the Ramsey case about the impact of these pressures. And about the use law enforcement made of the media through leaks which journalists repeated unchecked.  Even those helping Boulder's DA decide what should happen, like neighboring DA Bob Grant, believe justice itself is at risk.
           Bob Grant: I think it's eroded  by the way the  journalistic ethics have been eroded - public consumption of mass media has made people come to some conclusion about a particular criminal case without having heard evidence in court. I think that is corrupted.

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  w/ media
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 06:51 PM - Forum: Ramsey cooperation - No Replies

   Man: The Ramseys left Atlanta to return to Boulder to help with the police investigation.  But as they did so, the real nightmare was just beginning. A video of JonBenet taking part in a beauty pageant had just appeared on American television. It was to lead to the most terrible accusations of all.
          On their return to Boulder, Thursday, Jan 4th, the Ramseys moved in with friends. They were  immediately besieged by the media who were now building the third element of the case against them. News stories appeared reporting the police views that JonBenet had been sexually abused at the time of her murder. With pageant images already circulating, the implications  her parents may have sexually abused JonBenet turned the story into a media firestorm. Soon there were over 300 reporters in Boulder pursuing the Ramseys and everything the couple did counted against them, even an effort to help the press.
            John Ramsey: The arrangement was made, uh - look if we give you the opportunity to take their picture  - will you leave them alone.  What we agreed to was we would come out of the front door of the church and walk to the community center and not try to shield ourselves from being photographed.
 

          Man: However, during the service, the minister had suggested to the congregation  that they should line the pavement as a gesture of support.
 


Penny Beuf: We were wanting to protect them because they'd been through so much grief already and we felt that this was not the time or the place and so the congregation basically tried to shield them from that sort of thing. That's what happened.

Man: It proved another disaster for the Ramseys. It was reported as a cynical attempt to manipulate public opinion. What had actually happened was never reported. Instead, media pressure intensified. Mainstream journalists followed the tabloids. The Ramseys pulled in readers and pushed up ratings.
Kurtis: Media discovered the Ramseys pulled in readers. Newsweek put JonBenét on the cover. So did People Magazine. It was the cover story even in London's Sunday Times which called it the "Kiddie-Porn Killing". And television too discovered the Ramseys were good for ratings.
Peter Boyles on American Journal: Almost every tape you see JonBenét either in a Los Vegas showgirl suit or doing a semi-striptease. In spite of what someone is going to say, that there's something the matter with people who see it that way, there's something the matter with people who let that stuff happen to their kids and don't think anything's wrong with it.

Charlie Brennan: Many members of the public are surprised that they hired even one lawyer so hiring two lawyers leaves them twice as suspicious of the same fact.
Boyles: They've hired a publicist, they've hired a couple Private Investigators...

Kurtis: However welcome media pressure on the Ramseys may have been to those who thought the couple guilty, it was not welcome to Boulder's then police chief Tom Koby.
Man: Everywhere in the media, the Ramseys were accused of obstructing the police.
Mike McFee (Denver Post): It's been two weeks since their daughter was murdered and in those two weeks we've seen only one highly orchestrated appearance by them hugging a bishop on the steps of a church.

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  quotes
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 06:21 PM - Forum: Mike Bynum - Replies (2)

From JonBenet's America

    Man: The Ramseys, now under police protection, were unaware of the mounting pressure but an
          attorney friend was already concerned.

          Mike Bynum: I showed up as John and Patsy's friend, although I was not initially thinking in terms of what help I should give them legally, I don't know what to say other than a sense of things, a sense of things going on around the house. The police going around the house, I just had a sense that they ought to have representation and I just said to John, will you trust me to do the right thing? And he  just said, yes I'll trust you.
          John: And I had no idea what he was talking about. Later, I don't remember if it was later that day or the next day, he said we're going to retain counsel for you and for Patsy. What in the world for - OK - We began to realize we're suspects and I was OK with that because I assumed it was a broad investigation.

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  Charlie brennan
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 06:17 PM - Forum: Names to remember - Replies (5)

who I consider a friend

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  from "JonBenet's America"
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 06:03 PM - Forum: December 26th - Replies (2)

Man: The following morning, Dec. 26th, the Ramseys got out of bed early in their third floor bedroom. They were due to take off from the local airport at half past seven. Patsy Ramsey says she went downstairs at about 5:30 to collect clothes together for the trip from the laundry cupboard just outside JonBenét's bedroom.
PR: I was fussing around with some clothes and glanced at her door and the door was closed. I always left it ajar a little bit. I just started downstairs - there were these pieces of paper lying on one of the rungs of the stairs. So I kind of turned around and looked at it to see what it was and I started reading the first couple lines. It just kinda wasn't registering but somewhere it said, 'we have your daughter. It clicked, you know, 'Your Daughter' and I just bounded back up the steps and threw her door open and she was not in her bed.
Man: The note, written on one of the Ramseys own notepads began, 'Listen carefully! We are a
group of individuals that represent a small foreign faction. At this time we have your daughter.'
Patsy: And at this time I remember screaming to John, he was still upstairs dressing.
John: I knew something was very wrong. I came down and she had the note and I read it quickly
trying to take everything in. I screamed.
Patsy: You don’t know what to do - I mean, what do you do? You know you just don’t know what to do - What do I do? You’re just panicked.
.
John: You don’t know where to start.
.
Patsy: You don't know what to do. You're just insane. You can't think fast enough.
.
John: Somebody asked me later, what was the worst moment in all of this and that was the worst
moment. Suddenly realizing that someone had your daughter, your child, someone has taken her,
she’s gone and we didn’t know where she was and it was dark, it was cold outside.
Man: The ransom note said, speaking to anyone about your situation such as the police, FBI etc., will result in your daughter being beheaded. If we catch you talking to a stray dog, she dies.

Patsy - "I said, 'I'm going to call the police and he said OK. And I think he ran to check on Burke.
And I ran downstairs and, you know, dialed 911."
.
John - "We had no choice. I mean, I would have gone mad sitting there hoping someone would call. We had to do something. I was ready to call out the Russian Army, the National Guard. Close the airport, let's close, cordon off the city. Those are the kinds of thoughts that were going through my head and we had to get the police involved to do that."
Patsy - "...and I said, you know, 'Send somebody over here quickly'. You know, I couldn't get it out fast enough."

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  quotes
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 05:49 PM - Forum: Glen and Susan Stine - Replies (4)

Susan Stine: I've always said I thought the Ramseys were the nicest people I ever knew and I say this 15-months after it happened that I'm more and more convinced that they're the nicest people I've ever known.  "JonBenet's America"

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  Reso kidnapping/murder
Posted by: jameson245 - 12-01-2019, 10:28 AM - Forum: Colorado crimes - Replies (4)

As the mystery of the whereabouts of Sidney J. Reso, the Exxon executive who disappeared nearly two months ago, deepened yesterday, new details emerged about a former Exxon security guard and his wife who were arrested Friday on charges of kidnapping.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation and New Jersey law-enforcement agencies maintained a wall of silence about where the 57-year-old president of Exxon International might be, or whether he had survived the ordeal that began outside his home in Morris Township, N.J., the morning of April 29.
But some information surfaced about the two suspects, suggesting that the recent failure of a business venture, the loss of their home and injuries from an auto accident several years ago left them with serious financial problems that followed them from New Jersey to Hilton Head, S.C., Vail, Colo., and back to New Jersey. 
4 Days of Tracking
The suspects charged in the kidnapping are Arthur D. Seale, a former police officer in Hillside, and Irene J. Seale, both 45, of Changewater in Hunterdon County, N.J. They were seized early Friday morning after four days of careful tracking by law-enforcement officials who followed a trail of ransom notes and telephone calls in three counties surrounding the Reso residence. The Seales are scheduled to appear in Federal court in Newark tomorrow for a bail hearing.
At the time of the Seales' arrest at a car rental agency in Hackettstown, investigators say they recovered two pairs of rubber gloves, a briefcase containing a 1985 directory of home addresses for Exxon executives and four laundry bags like the ones in which authorities say the ransom money was to have been packed.

But the F.B.I. declined to say whether any ransom money had been paid or recovered or how much the kidnappers had requested, except to say that the kidnappers had demanded millions of dollars in used $100 bills. There was also no indication of whether there had been an arrangement with the kidnappers for the exchange of Mr. Reso for the ransom, or whether such an arrangement had failed.

A friend of the Seales in Hilton Head said last night that Mr. Seale had been on the island visiting early last week and that the couple's son, Justin, who just completed his freshman year at Norwich University in Vermont, was still on the island staying with friends. The F.B.I. said on Friday that it had received a call last Monday from Pooler, Ga. -- about 30 miles west of Hilton Head -- on a cellular phone set up at the request of the kidnappers. In recent days, a former neighbor in Hilton Head said that Justin had told friends that his father had planned to start negotiations to buy a marina at the resort this summer.

Other friends and acquaintances of the Seales, many of whom refused to be identified, said that Mr. Seale grew up in Hillside, N.J., where his father, Arthur L. Seale, was an officer in the Hillside Police Department, retiring as a deputy chief in the late 1970's.

After the younger Mr. Seale graduated from Hillside High School in the mid-1960's, he worked briefly as a lifeguard before following his father and joining the Hillside Police Department. People acquainted with the family said the younger Mr. Seale was involved in a motor-vehicle accident while on duty and was injured, forcing him to retire on a disability pension.

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  Jessica Schaffner, 11
Posted by: jameson245 - 11-30-2019, 05:37 PM - Forum: Boulder crimes - Replies (2)

THE DENVER POST
Tragedy visited area in '72 death
Monday, January 4, 1997
Section: FRONT SECTION
Page: A-07
BY MARILYN ROBINSON
DENVER POST STAFF WRITER

Caption: PHOTO: The Denver Post/John Epperson

Police evidence technicians remove locks and door knobs from a door on the south side of the Ramsey home in Boulder yesterday.

BOULDER - The slaying of 6-year-old JonBenet Ramsey does not mark the first time a family on that block has mourned the murder of a child.

JonBenet was found strangled last week in the basement of her home at 755 15th St., near Chautauqua Park.

Nearly a quarter of a century ago, another young girl who lived a few doors away in the quiet upscale neighborhood also was murdered.

Jessica Schaffner, 11, was shot to death Nov. 14, 1972, after she and her best friend were kidnapped on a neighborhood street. Her friend was wounded but survived. Peter Roy Fisher, now 59, was arrested and convicted of the crimes. He remains in prison under a life sentence.

Jessica had been at a party to celebrate her friend's 11th birthday, and the friend was walking her home when a man dressed in women's clothing drove by in a van and asked for directions.

The man, later identified as Fisher, returned, got out of the van to talk and invited the girls into his camper to see his dog.

Fisher pushed them inside, locked the door, then pulled a handgun and said, "No one's going anywhere," the survivor said in a 1993 interview with The Denver Post.

The girls were handcuffed together and forced to lie face down in the back of the van. The man drove in circles, then stopped and made the girls undress.

He sexually assaulted Jessica.

Eventually, he drove the girls up Sunshine Canyon toward Gold Hill west of Boulder, where he told them a man was waiting with a key to the handcuffs.

"I didn't believe it. I had more or less written it off that I was a goner," the surviving girl said.

Fisher ordered the girls to walk ahead of him in the deep snow down a path. They had gone about 15 feet when he pulled a pistol and started shooting.

"I didn't feel the shots," the survivor said. "I didn't feel the pain. I think my body just went into such shock that my mind shut if off. I kind of fell in slow motion."

Jessica died before her eyes. The survivor was hit in the chest and left thigh. She recalled thinking that Jessica was playing dead and sensed that Fisher was standing over them, staring.

Then he drove away. Terrified and bleeding, the girl tried to drag her dead friend up the steep snowy hillside. Unable to do so, she slipped her friend's hand from the cuff and pulled herself up the mountain. She flagged down a passing motorist.

Based on her description, deputies arrested Fisher as he drove down the icepacked road at the base of the canyon.

Fisher had a long history of sexually deviant behavior, including an arrest for indecent exposure at age of 17. He will appear before the state parole board next month for another parole hearing.

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