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  The QUOTE
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-21-2017, 09:20 AM - Forum: DNA - more technical discussions - No Replies


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OK, I am looking at the files on the DNA - lots of stuff to read and it took a long time to find the report I feel is most important.

IMO, the whole file boils down to a single fact.  While some of the DNA can be disputed, there is a single piece of evidence that points directly to the man who was with JonBenét when she died. 



That man left his DNA mixed with her blood in her panties when he sexually assaulted her.



Amy Jeanguenat is the DNA expert who worked on this sample at BODE Laboratories.  I am looking at the results of the lab report that went to Investigator Tom Bennett.  There are 13 locus listed and allelles after each separate loci.  In other words, they have the killer's DNA profile and can solve this case!


To those who would say the DNA is "iffy" or "mud" or had multiple sources, I say that simply is not true and this report proves it.  

THE QUOTE:





"When asked, Jeanguenat stated that she saw no indication

that a third party contributed to the mixture and would

'testify in court' to that effect."

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  The important quote
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-21-2017, 09:19 AM - Forum: DNA found in panties - Replies (2)

OK, I am looking at the files on the DNA - lots of stuff to read and it took a long time to find the report I feel is most important.

IMO, the whole file boils down to a single fact.  While some of the DNA can be disputed, there is a single piece of evidence that points directly to the man who was with JonBenét when she died. 




That man left his DNA mixed with her blood in her panties when he sexually assaulted her.



Amy Jeanguenat is the DNA expert who worked on this sample at BODE Laboratories.  I am looking at the results of the lab report that went to Investigator Tom Bennett.  There are 13 locus listed and allelles after each separate loci.  In other words, they have the killer's DNA profile and can solve this case!


To those who would say the DNA is "iffy" or "mud" or had multiple sources, I say that simply is not true and this report proves it.  

THE QUOTE:





"When asked, Jeanguenat stated that she saw no indication

that a third party contributed to the mixture and would

'testify in court' to that effect."

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  rope
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 09:10 PM - Forum: Rope - Replies (8)

   

I thought the rope looked the same but was told one was much more pliable than the other and the diameters were different- they were NOT the same.

I was not told that by the Ramseys and don't know if they ever got to compare the ropes side by side - - don't know where the rope is that was used in the photo shoot.

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  Shapiro sued Schiller
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 06:44 PM - Forum: Jeffrey Scott Shapiro - Replies (2)

Ramsey book creators sued
Former reporter says book libels him

By Camera staff
October 15, 2002
A former newspaper tabloid writer has filed a lawsuit against a publisher and an author he says libeled and defamed him in the book "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town," a publication about the JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation.
Jeffrey Shapiro, 29, of Florida, who wrote about the high-profile homicide for the Globe, filed his case on Wednesday in U.S. District Court in Albuquerque, N.M., because the state has a three-year statute of limitations on libel and defamation cases.
The book, written by Lawrence Schiller and published by Harper Collins Publishers Inc. in February 1999 in hardcover and in November 1999 in paperback, was distributed throughout the country.
According to the complaint, Shapiro says one sentence in the book contains a libelous statement that could have been corrected before paperback editions were printed.
"It's one sentence with pretty substantial ramifications," Shapiro's Los Angeles attorney, Neville L. Johnson, said Monday.
That sentence implicates Shapiro in an alleged extortion of former Boulder police Det. Steve Thomas when, in reality, Shapiro warned authorities of the crime, records showed.
In August 1998, the Globe editors told Shapiro of plans to blackmail Thomas into providing details of the investigation, according to the complaint. Shapiro then told Thomas and police Chief Mark Beckner about the tabloid's plan to extort Thomas, the document showed.
Two months later, Shapiro reported the plot to the FBI, the complaint said. Shapiro was fired in February 1999.
The lawsuit alleges that during a conversation with Schiller before the book was published, Schiller read a passage to Shapiro that said, "... Shapiro had a conversation with the FBI about the possibility someone had engaged in extortion with Thomas."
The published passage said "Several months later, the FBI talked to Shapiro about the possibility that he had engaged in extortion with Thomas."
In a subsequent conversation with Schiller, which Shapiro recorded, the author said he would change the sentence before the paperbacks were published. It was not changed, Shapiro's attorneys said.
"He's the man who went to the FBI to say my supervisors want to do something bad," Johnson said. "We've got Schiller admitting that he was incorrect."
Schiller said Monday night he had not seen the lawsuit, and declined to comment.
The suit is one of several that have sprung from the 1996 slaying of the Boulder girl. JonBenet's beaten and garroted body was found the basement of her parent's Boulder home on Dec. 26 of that year. The murder has gone unsolved.
http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/city_news...66,00.html




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JonBenét book spurs libel suit
By Jim Kirksey
Denver Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 15, 2002 - Former Globe newspaper freelance reporter Jeffrey Shapiro contends that "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town," the book about the murder of JonBenét Ramsey and the subsequent investigation, is not a perfect account.

Shapiro has filed a libel suit against the book's author, Lawrence Schiller, saying the book misrepresents Shapiro's role in an alleged extortion plot by the editors of the Globe against former Boulder detective Steve Thomas in an attempt to get information about the case from Thomas.
Shapiro says in the suit that he warned Thomas of the extortion plot, then told Boulder police and the FBI, even playing tapes of his conversations with the Globe editors where the plot was discussed.
The former reporter contends he explained his role in the matter to Schiller on three occasions, and that role was acknowledged by the author. In the book, however, Schiller wrote that "the FBI talked to Shapiro about the possibility that he had engaged in extortion with Thomas."
The suit filed Wednesday in U.S. District Court in New Mexico does not specify damages, but there is a floor of $75,000 at issue to qualify for filing in U.S. District Court.
The suit was filed in New Mexico because the statute of limitations is less restrictive in that state, said Shapiro's attorney, Neville Johnson.
Schiller said he was not aware of the suit. Attempts to reach co-defendant HarperCollins Publishers, which published the book, late Monday afternoon were not successful.

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413...7E,00.html


 


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EXHIBIT 1
Page 722 "Perfect Murder, Perfect Town" soft-back:
Shapiro said. Thomas thought the reporter was playing
good cop, bad cop – the oldest trick in the book.
“They know about your mother, Shapiro continued.
“We know she committed suicide.”
“My mother…my mother…”Thomas said, staring at
Shapiro.” You’ve got that all wrong. Thomas had been just
seven years old when his mother became suddenly ill and
died.
“I don’t want to see that story run,” Shapiro said. “I’m
just trying to protect you.”
But the way Thomas saw it, Shapiro was trying to buy
him. He told the reporter to leave at once.
three days later, a FedEx package arrived at Thomas’s
home. In it was a letter from Craig Lewis of the Globe, who requested an interview. Enclosed
were pictures of Thomas’s
long-deceased mother and late aunt, who had died of brain
cancer.
That afternoon, Thomas told his lawyer to write
Shapiro and the Globe that any further contact with him
would be met with legal action. Before long, Thomas heard
that the DA’s office was floating a rumor that mental
instability ran in his family.
Several months later, the FBI talked to Shapiro about
the possibility that he had engaged in extortion with Thomas.
Shapiro played them a tape he had recorded during a
conversation with Globe staff, where the topic of how to go about
levereging Detective Steve Thomas had been discussed.
Thomas decided not to press charges against the Globe
or any of its employees and the FBI dropped the investigation
for the time being. To clear his own name, Shapiro
went public with excerpts from more than half a dozen
phone conversations he’s recorded with his editors at the
Globe. It wasn’t long before he was appearing on TV and in such publications as Editor and
Publisher with his views on
tabloid journalism.

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  Why the GJ indicted
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 06:37 PM - Forum: Grand Jury Indictments - No Replies

Just posted the Dec. 2016 story Charlie Brennan did on a grand juror speaking out.  First a quote, then my comments.

The quote:

The grand juror briefly laid out several reasons central to why the grand jury voted to indict John and Patsy Ramsey.

The reasons offered by the juror are:

• "No evidence of an intruder. No footprints in the snow, no physical evidence left behind."

• "The killer was in the house for hours between the blow to the head and the strangling."

• "The location of the body in a hard-to-find room."

• "The ransom note written in the house with weird personal information and never a ransom call."

• The juror, after rattling off those points, then posed a question: "Also, how much evidence is there really that this was a sex crime?"

My comments:

Remembering the Grand Jury was seated for over a year, and that the prosecutors were trying to get Patsy arrested.  Remembering that while Lou Smit did get to speak to them he felt the persecutors were treating him with disrespect and trying to make the jury see him as less than a stellar investigator - - I have this to say.

Did no one tell them that John Fernie walked from the alleyway to the south door and then to the front door - - and if prints would have shown at all, his would have.  There were no prints in the snow because the walkways were CLEAR.

The jury didn't see evidence of anything left behind?

 Did they not hear that Dr. Doberson would testify that the marks on her body were, "to a medical certainty", caused by a stun gun and that the police could not link any Ramsey to a stun gun? 

Did they not know the cord and tape matched nothing in the house?

How about the fibers, the beaver hair, the prints, the pubic hair found on the blanket?

Did no one tell them about the foreign DNA mixed with the child's blood in her panties?

Did LE actually LIE to them about the head blow coming an hour before she died?  Did their common sense not tell them there would have been a lot of bleeding if she had lived any length of time after he skull was broken like that?

The ransom note written in the house - - and the handwriting not matching either Ramsey - - in fact far from a match for either one.

The weirdness - - would it not be more likely for a rich family staging a kidnapping to ask for a million, to include the daughter's name and NOT spend so much time writing a note to leave WITH a body?

Did no one point out the similarities in the note to other documents and movies?  The author watched movies and read about old crimes like Leopold, Loeb and Bobby Franks.

Did they really think loving and caring parents would not call for help if they saw their daughter in need?

And to answer the question, she was sexually violated by someone who would torture her with a garrote.  Was this a sex crime?  It wasn't an invite to a picnic!

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  GJ Juror spoke out on DNA
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 06:21 PM - Forum: DNA - more technical discussions - No Replies

Ramsey grand juror welcomes new DNA tests, discusses reasons for indicting parents
But juror says DNA didn't play big role in deliberations
By Charlie Brennan

Staff Writer
Posted: 12/16/2016 03:28:33 PM MST

Members of the Boulder County grand jury that investigated the JonBenet Ramsey case leave the Justice Center after the panel was disbanded on Oct. 13,
Members of the Boulder County grand jury that investigated the JonBenet Ramsey case leave the Justice Center after the panel was disbanded on Oct. 13, 1999.(Camera file photo)

A JonBenet Ramsey case grand juror on Friday applauded the news that there is to be a new round of DNA testing in the unsolved investigation, but is unsure that it will necessarily lead to the killer's identity.

Also, exclusively to the Daily Camera, the juror cited key reasons that the grand jury voted to indict John and Patsy Ramsey in their child's Christmas night 1996 murder — indictments never prosecuted by then-Boulder County District Attorney Alex Hunter, due to his belief there was insufficient evidence to prove a case beyond reasonable doubt.

"I am glad to hear that there will be new DNA testing," said the juror, who offered the comments based on assurance of anonymity.

The Ramsey grand jury heard evidence in the case from September 1998 to October 1999 before it was disbanded.

"I'm also feeling doubtful that it will bring the killer to justice," the juror said. "But I know that other cases are being solved after much time has passed with new technology, so perhaps this can be, too."

The juror had seen the news on Tuesday when it was reported that, following a joint investigation by the Camera and 9NEWS raising concerns about the DNA-based exoneration of the Ramsey family, police and prosecutors are planning to submit certain evidence to the latest generation of DNA testing.

"I was happy to see that it's moving forward," the juror said, "but not that hopeful of a resolution."

Until now, it has never been known to what extent DNA evidence — far less advanced in the late 1990s than it is today — had influenced the jury's decision- making process.

Not very much, according to this juror.

"To me, it seemed like the DNA evidence was just inconclusive. I don't remember it playing a major role in our discussions, because what did it mean?" the juror said. "It didn't seem to include or exclude anyone."

A subsequent round of additional DNA testing on which then-District Attorney Mary Lacy based her July 9, 2008, exoneration letter — which has repeatedly been dismissed as "meaningless" by her successor, Stan Garnett — was not initiated until late in 2007, eight years after the Ramsey grand jury disbanded.

Multiple experts contacted this year through the Camera/9NEWS investigation said Lacy's letter greatly overstated the certainty or clarity of the results reached through that later round of testing. Those experts also said there was no way to state — as Lacy did — that the DNA profile identified by her office as "Unknown Male 1" had to be that of JonBenet's killer.

Reasons for the Ramsey indictment

The grand juror briefly laid out several reasons central to why the grand jury voted to indict John and Patsy Ramsey.

The reasons offered by the juror are:

• "No evidence of an intruder. No footprints in the snow, no physical evidence left behind."

• "The killer was in the house for hours between the blow to the head and the strangling."

• "The location of the body in a hard-to-find room."

• "The ransom note written in the house with weird personal information and never a ransom call."

• The juror, after rattling off those points, then posed a question: "Also, how much evidence is there really that this was a sex crime?"

The grand jury indictments of the Ramseys remained perhaps the best-kept secret of the star-crossed case until January 2013, when it was first reported by the Camera that the jury had voted to indict both parents on charges of child abuse resulting in death.

A reporter's subsequent lawsuit resulted in an October 2013 decision by a judge to unseal those indictments, which not only confirmed the indictments' existence, but also revealed that both parents also had been indicted on a second charge, that of accessory to an unidentified third person in the crime of first-degree murder.
 
Holiday stirs memories

Patsy Ramsey died in 2006, after a 13-year battle with ovarian cancer. Both of JonBenet's parents steadfastly asserted their innocence in the case, and have said that an unknown killer broke into their home while the family was attending a Christmas night party, then waited for the family to return and retire to bed before targeting JonBenet.

JonBenet was found Dec. 26, 1996, in a little-used basement room, having suffered a fractured skull and asphyxiation by a garrote. A strip of duct tape covered her mouth and her wrists were loosely bound.

Patsy Ramsey reported finding a 2-½ page ransom note shortly before dawn that day, demanding the unusual sum of $118,000 for her child's safe return. There was never any attempt to actually collect on that demand prior to JonBenet's body being discovered by her father and a family friend early that afternoon.

The juror confessed to "not doing much at all" for Christmas this season, which marks 20 years since JonBenet was buried in a Marietta, Ga., graveyard with her killer's identity still a mystery.

However, the juror said, the holiday certainly triggers many thoughts about the tragedy.

"Yes, a lot of things can spark a memory of the case, and a lot of them are tied to Christmas," the juror said. "So, I do remember her this time of year. I still feel sad that we weren't able to help JonBenet."

Charlie Brennan: 303-473-1327, brennanc@dailycamera.com or twitter.com/chasbrennan

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  John Andrew's room
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 03:42 PM - Forum: Rooms - No Replies

From 2001 documentary

Lou Smit was giving a tour of the house.

"This is the door to JonBenét's room and right over here is the door to the guest bedroom.
and there was a real interesting thing that we found out about this room. This window overlooks the garage and the driveway and would be a great vantage point for anyone that would want to see if the Ramseys were coming home that night.
What's interesting about this room Also what was real interesting in this room we did see that some of the drawers in the bathroom right off the bedroom were partially open which look like they were out of place.
Also in this room there was a rope and we don't know where that rope came from. No one can explain why that rope is in this room.
Also what's real interesting in this room, and it's just a small detail, but there was a dust ruffle all the way around the bed that was tucked in except for just a small area right in front of the bed. It seem to have been pulled out. Now does that mean that killer may have been under that bed, we just don't know. But its just an observation.
The dust ruffle is just one of the small things that detectives look for."

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  Lou Smit's thoughts
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 03:25 PM - Forum: Linguistics - Ransom Note - Replies (3)

From 2001 documentary:

"Is the ransom note an important clue in this case?    Its one of the most important clues left behind by our killer.
first of all it was written in a very calm and careful manner and a very deliberate manner. The person was not writing in panic.
I have interviewed many many murderers and even psychopaths after a murder
They're extremely agitated.    It is very difficult for them even to sit down, In my estimation there is just absolutely no way that they could have written that note after that murder."

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  Psychic thread
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 02:15 PM - Forum: Names to remember - Replies (1)

#1 -

Quote: 1997-04-21: STAR MAGAZINE: "JonBenet Names Her Killer: It's not who you think it is!"

Week of April 21, 1997:

The SUN's cover reads "JonBenet Names Her Killer: It's not who you think it is!"

"The man who murdered little beauty JonBenet is a Ted Bundy like drifter who stalked the six-year-old for months before making his murderous move and he will strike again very soon if he's not collared by cops. So warns America's top psychic investigator Warren Freiberg. The respected radio-TV medium got his description of the killer from the most knowledgeable source possible-the victim-during a chilling seance at his home in Munster, Indiana.

Like most Americans following the heartwrenching murder investigation, Freiberg expected the girl to name her father or mother as the one responsible for sending her to a tragically early grave. However, he soon found the friend is not only unrelated to JonBenet's family, but is also a depraved drifter who's ready to strike again hundreds of miles away from the little girl's home.

From JonBenet's description of the killer, Freiberg drew a mental image of a tall, handsome man with delicate facial features and a small scar above his left eye. The psychic tried to comfort the troubled youngster, but her voice grew even more harsh and quaking as she continued with the story of her last moments of life.

The hovering spirit spoke: I don't know how Jim got in my house, but I wasn't afraid because I had seen him at some of the pageants. I asked him where mommy was and his face changed. . .he scared me when he grabbed me by the arm and said, You're my child now! I started to cry, but he put his hand over my mouth. I could not talk or yell for mom or dad. Then he started to do things to me. . .things that hurt and made me cry more. Then he put a rope around my neck and I couldn't breathe. I tried to fight him and I prayed my mommy or anyone would come to help me. . .I was frightened and alone. I hoped he would let me go, but he didn't. Please make sure he never does what he did to me to anyone else. Hurry. . .Jim is making friends with anther little girl with blonde hair who enters beauty pageants like me.

Freiberg says that he sees the killer targeting another pretty six-year-old pageant contestant. I hope I'm wrong, but I see this sicko killing again by mid-July. The top psychic, who has assisted with dozens of police investigations in the past, believes there is a sharp Sun reader out there who will lead homicide detectives to this murderer known to JonBenet as Jim"

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  Why bother?
Posted by: jameson245 - 03-20-2017, 01:02 PM - Forum: Reward offered until 12/31/2017 - No Replies

I have been told this is not going to be solved, why bother putting money aside for a reward when we are going to be living on just a bit less when I am paying for rewards, ads, Internet forums, travel....

Today I was going through an old story and Gaby Wood was talking about meeting with Michael Tracey - - and this section reminded me of exactly why.

............


When Tracey pulled the image out of the manila envelope, I thought it was one I had already seen - a close-up of JonBenet's neck, designed to show the garrotte and the marks thought to have been made by a stun gun. But I noticed Tracey only pulled half the picture out of the envelope. The photographs I had seen were not close-ups but crops of this one. On instinct, I reached for the photo and pulled it out a little further. JonBenet's face came into view. She was lying down, and shot in profile. Her mouth was slightly open, her eyes were closed. If the photo had been in black and white, so that her skin's bluish tinge was invisible, you might have thought that she was merely asleep - until your eyes were drawn down to the fine blonde hair trapped under the cord with which she had been strangled. I looked at this photograph only briefly; in an unforeseeable split second I felt suddenly, swimmingly sick. Tracey's voice became background noise. Come on, I told myself, you're not squeamish. But back she came, the seemingly sleeping child. I started to sweat.

Later, I realized what it was about the photo that had haunted me: it was so ordinary. Over the course of many conversations, I'd become accustomed to hearing of 'the garrotted neck', 'the fingernails', 'the blood in the underpants'; these things were never hers. And the infamous pageant photos, haunting in their own perverse, made-up way, put her at several removes from herself. So in our minds she seems to have gone from icon to crime-lab fodder without passing through the most obvious and fundamental incarnation. I expected her body to look unrecognizable in some way, to be bloody or obscured or overly clinical. The last thing I expected it to be was what she was: a little girl.

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